HOSTING PEOPLE'S FORUM

WE DISCUSS THE ELECTORAL PROCESS TAKING US TO GENERAL ELECTIONS BEGINNING APRIL 15TH 2026

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Good day. Sunday, the fifteenth of March twenty twenty-six. We are racing towards general elections. Share this broadcast. Today we are hosting People's Forum. It's your forum. So you begin to call very early, ask questions, make your contributions. Usually, when we have a guest, you know, there's very little time for your participation. So I usually set aside time for you to uh call in and share your views. This pro program is popular because you can express your view unhindered, you know, uh without interference, other than the decorum and modicum of uh rules on this forum, you can express yourself freely. We recognize that it's very difficult to do so in Zambia in light of the cyber laws, in light of the enforcement, especially by the cyber crimes unit at services quarters, that is hunting down for people for their comments and others. For our dear viewers who are civil servants, who are holding sensitive positions and you'd like to uh watch this program. 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When Emmanuel Mwamba is seated here, he's seated, of course, as an analyst, as a journalist, as an administrator. I'm not sitting here in my capacity as chairperson for information and publicity for the uh patriotic front. In fact, every time I want to say something about the PF, I do a disclaimer and say, can I speak now on my in my capacity as that? But many people recognize that when I sit here, I I sit as a professional. In fact, I've hosted very few people from the patriotic front. When was Given Windows last year? When was Rafael Nagachina or any of the people or you know uh Celestine Mukandila here mostly is dominated by civil society and other opposition leaders. Uh my personal page is one of the most visited pages in the country. Um the newspaper, by the way, EMV, we need to find a mechanism of distributing it widely because a lot of people are looking at the content behind the the front page, and it's been also been cited uh you know uh uh as one of the best designed newspapers in Zambia. So thank you very much for that recognition. Today we are discussing the state of the nation. Our people may not know that the election is far closer than they think. The calendar has been issued by the Electoral Commission of Zambia on 15th April. One month from now. 15th April, one month from now. Just let me check in case there's something to do. Is is volume okay? Is picture okay? Sometimes when people are calling, it's because none of that is correct. Let me just check on the is the volume okay? Oh, yeah, I think it's okay because people are listening here. Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. Okay, we are okay. I just saw a phone call. I thought maybe I'm not live or I'm not um my volume is not okay. So thank you for those congratulations on uh emv. Another thing that occurred yesterday, you know, um I reported uh an attack on the Dubai Financial Center. Uh I had exclusive, I was very sure the pictures were exclusive and the video were very exclusive. No one had them because it was reported in real time. Someone was there, got a video and shared it with me. And the pictures shared with me for the damage that was done by an Iranian drone. I put that on my page within a cycle of 24 hours. It became one of the top three most searched articles in the entire world. It was number three. Thank you very much. Thank you. All those issues bring credibility to our platform. Uh, this is because in Dubai, when you are in Dubai, they are not allowing anyone to share any material. In fact, they are arresting whoever takes pictures of the attack of any damage that is done to any of their infrastructure. So you can imagine why that simple picture sent to me became the only credible source of information on the attack of the Dubai financial center. And it showed in the Google searches at one, you know, mine became one of the top searches. My page became one of the top searches where I had posted that. And credible newspapers, like even the Financial Times of UK and Guardian of Financial Times of India and Guardian Weekly of UK quoted my page. Kudos to that. So our land that you are propagandist, the statistics are showing totally different. We are credible, we are reliable, and we can be quoted by serious institutions. Institutions that sometimes have trouble even quoting the traditional media in Zambia. Let's go to the gist of the matter. The state of the nation, the electoral commission of Zambia has released the electoral calendar for our elections, and they start 30 days from now. On 15th April, presidential candidates must submit, must submit um the 100 voters per province required. This is 1,000 supporters of their own. So the elections are starting in earnest in the next 30 days because whichever presidential candidate must submit the 1,000 supporters to ECZ. ECZ must identify them, must clear them that they're registered voters and that they support such a candidate, and they must log them in. A month later in May, Parliament will be dissolved, I think on 15th May, and immediately the nomination process starts for the president, members of parliament, mayors, council chairpers, and counselors. And there's a calendar even for all of them presidential candidates, I think from uh uh is it 18 to 23rd of May 2026? The election is now here, it's not in the future. Like we've been discussing that the opposition should come together, that people should work together. No, the process has begun. And sometimes people don't see the agency the process has begun. You have to mobilize if you're a presidential candidate, you have to mobilize from each province 100 supporters and take them to ECZ. And ECZ must verify those voters. So the process is underway. Which brings me before I go to the opposition, I'll start with UPND and just do a casual landscape view of the opposition. The comments I will make, I'm not here to injure anyone. I'm just giving my opinions as a geopolitical analyst using my experience. You know, I was in government for 20 years, and for the bulk of those years, at very senior level, I was permanent secretary for about five years. I was deputy permanent secretary for almost 10 years. I was ambassador for almost eight years. And then I've participated in campaigns. I was a chief campaign uh uh figurehead in the 2014 elections for President Edgar Lungu. Remember, the chair of elections at the time uh uh was Wa William Sander. But Wa Williamsander was ailing and was mostly in South Africa. And you remember after President Lungu won him, we lost him and we had all of us to go to that funeral and bury him in Kitu. And I was in charge of media and campaign strategy. So literally, even the work you know of Wa Williams came on our team. We are the team where I was chair for media and political strategy. So I was very instrumental in running that elections. We are the candidate in Hakainde H Lema, who had been campaigning as soon as President Michael Sutter died, were engulfed in this infighting and to navigate the crisis inside and then go out to an actual election and win that election, you know, uh is something I treasure because it gave me the bulk of experience that when I give opinions, I don't give opinions because I don't like your candidate or I love your candidate. I do uh an assessment that is called as facts are. I was instrumental in the 2006 elections for President Michael Sata. Many people will remember that um uh when President Churuba, who I was working for as administrator and spokesperson, fell off, fell out with uh Levi Mwanawasa. He was MMD president of the party. Levi Mwanawasa was trustee. And as soon as he became president, he had fashioned the MMD that it would be like the Nyerere type of politics where the president leaves the stage but controls the party as president. It didn't take long. He was ousted as president from there. And the party, the NEC MMD, uh put Levi Manawasa. So that is what I said there was no separation or sent two centers of power. Because what had emerged is that I was a group supporting the former president who was MMD president. And there was a group, especially the job seekers, supporting the current president Levi Monawasa, and um who was mayor trustee in the NEC of the MMD. So when they ousted uh uh uh Dr. Chulua's uh at a center, I just met him. He had given me these responsibilities as administrator and spokesperson. So to navigate the politics that he merged, for us even to go to the PF, the PF that was deemed as a joke by many, and we grew it into the largest uh uh uh uh you know opposition by 2006. We were very instrumental in growing that party with Dr. Achiluwa. So when I speak, forgive me. I'm not speaking because I want to spite your candidate, no. Oh, I'm not praising your candidate because I want a favor from such a candidate. No, I'm merely giving sober facts and let's go to the sober facts. Let's start with UPND. Number one, President Hakainde HLM must not shy away, he must go to the internal elections for whatever insecurities President Hakainde HLM has. He stopped the process that was started by Gary Nkombo, the chapel, for elections, because Gary had started grassroot uh elections, because you need to have you know constituency district and provincial elections before you have a national conference. When Gary started that process, he was immediately stopped because there were accusations that was building a base not for President Akainde H Lima but for himself. Now time has run out. I do not think that the UPND, I do not think for once that the UPND will hold a credible, transparent process to elect his leadership because his leadership expired in February 2026. Remember, they held an election in 2021, in February 2021. So the five-year mandate for the management committee and the five-year mandate for President Hakainde Ichilema have expired as error, they are illegal, they are living on expired mandate. Article 60 of the Republican constitution requires that any candidate that will present himself to the Electoral Commission of Zambia as a presidential candidate must have held an acceptable uh uh uh um uh uh uh election. They must have gone through a process where they are elected. I'll come to the issue of independence as we are today, present Hakainde H Lema is not eligible to stand in the 2026 elections because he has not gone to an intra-party elections in their constituents in their constitution, the UPND, what are they supposed to have to do? Exactly what Garin Kombo had prescribed. Garing Combo wanted elections from the bottom to the top. By now, they would have elected President Akainde Helema and he would have been a legitimate president of the UPND. Who then the UPND as a political party sponsors a candidate to the national elections? Article 60 of the Republican Constitution and the Political Process Act, which we haven't enacted, by the way, but at least the provisions are there in Article um uh 60 of the Republican Constitution. Because these men who govern our country, so the framers of our constitution. Very clear. These men who wish to lead our country must go through an internal process of scrutiny and election. As we are today on this date, President Hakainde Chilema is not eligible to stand as a presidential candidate for the UPND because he has an expired mandate. What will the UPND do? They will probably do a sham because there is no time to hold constituency elections, district elections, there is no time to hold provincial elections and then national elections where they elect a national management committee and then a president who in their constitution is also a presidential candidate. What they will come up is a sham. If we had an effective, robust judiciary, you know, there's something that a gentleman from South Africa who's been a robust member of the UPND, who um has been a strong supporter of um the UPND, Charles Longwe, the UPND and the secretariat are treating him as a nuisance like a fly they should SWAT. If you look at the profile of Charles Longwe, Charles petitioned President Edgar Lungu. He petitioned President Edgar Lungu's elections. In fact, the dismissal of the three uh constitutional court judgments arises from the petition that Charles Longwe raised in 2016 when they ruled on the issue of the 14 days. In 2021, again, Charles Longwe petitioned, he was among those people, remember Sishua Shishua, John Sangwa, and others. They said President Edgar Lungwe was not eligible because he had been elected twice. Among those petitioners is Charles Longwe. So Charles Longwe is not a political nuisance. The UPND and the Secretariat are presenting. Is one man they've benefited from politically immensely. Of course, like they benefited from John Sango, like they benefited from Sisua Sishua. They might call them disgruntled, but these are principled men that are never moved by emotions, they are just merely moved by the facts. Charles Longway has written a detailed letter asking the secretariat that we risk going to an election with a candidate who's not eligible. If any one of the candidates that will be uh that will participate in election petition President Dakainde Chilema that is an illegal candidate, there's a likelihood that his candidature can be nullified. So Charles Longway is only warning UPND what is constituted in their own party constitution and in the Republican constitution. Of course, you are saying that President Dakainde Chilema controls the executive, controls the judiciary. You never know. You never know. Who would have thought that there will be a judge who will convict at the height of his power, Kaunda's own son, Kambarage, for killing his girlfriend? Who would have thought that the president's son will be sentenced to death until he dies, until hang until he dies? Who would have thought? And who would have thought that on the eve of elections, the Supreme Court judge, constitutional Supreme Court judge, Chief Justice, who tried to do a last-minute favor for President Kaunda and released um uh Kaunda's son was immediately fired by the new government. So strange things happen in an election yeah. If we have a judiciary that functions and as provided by the law, President Hakainde Ichlima's President Hakainde Ichlima's uh candidature risks and lies in limbo. That I can tell you, if we are just looking at the core facts of the law, he lie they lie in in limbo. The UPND might be excited that the president is president of the country and no one in the party or in the judiciary can dare question his candidature. He is living in dangerous times. And I know at this very late stage that the UPND is not capable of holding a credible, fair, and constitutional interparty general conference. They are not capable because of what it outlines. They have not held the constituency elections, they've not held the district elections, they've not held provincial elections. They have a management that is living on expired mandate. The mandate for President Hakainde Chlema expired in uh in February 2026. Does this mean that President Hagainde Chlema is a weak candidate for the 2026 elections? No, not at all. Despite the fact the president has been known with propensity to disregard the Republican constitution, he has broken the constitution of the land so many times, he has disregarded court orders so many times, he has passed a new constitution disregarding the provisions of the law. He has ignored our Republican constitution, the very document he swore to uphold. So we may go to elections with an illegal candidate because he has demonstrated that he doesn't respect court orders, doesn't respect the law. What about his own constitution? Will he respect it? I don't think so. Um is President Hakainde Ichilema a strong candidate? Yes, he is. Remember the UPND was formed in 1998. It took them 23 years before they could take power. It took them, I think, for President Hakainde Ichilema about 16 years himself at the helm of the UPND to get this power. He got this power from a strong government, an incumbent government. He wrestled power from the opposition. When stacks were put, hurdles and stacks were put against the possibility of an election, he wrestled power from a ruling party, from an incumbent. So you only you only underrate him at your own peril. Because now he has state and state house infrastructure. He has state power and state institutions at his discretion. You cannot underestimate a candidate. Just look at him. He cried democracy, that there was no democracy in the country. He cried that there was no rule of law. He cried that there was no respect for human rights. When he became president, when you are outside, things look glossy. When he became an insider, he became a worse perpetrator of the very values and principles that he promoted. So to expect that you respect the constitution is an uphill battle, especially when we have a dead civil society, other than for a few voices, such as Linda Kasonde, Brebna Changala, who's been a rallying voice for the opposition in Zambia. Other than a few people, President Hakainde H Lima spent a lot of resources and a lot of threats and intimidations to paralyze institutions, paralyze the opposition, paralyze civil society. In many cases, he has bought them because he gave them jobs. You have people like Laura Mitty who are apologists for President Hakainde Echelema, who should be protecting the rights of our people. And they have no shame. So we only have a few voices. Even in the Catholic Church, the bishops among them have been infiltrated. And you see a few of the bishops speaking for the country and for the people. But we know that even among the bishops, there are some bishops that have been compromised. So the state of the country is perilous because there are muted voices. There is an election coming where the president is not eligible to stand, but he will stand anyway. He will use a bully of money, bully of state institutions, and bully of the law to stand even when he's not qualified to stand. I say this, like I said, in the next 30 days, it's not possible that the UPND can hold a genuine, free, and fair intra-party election as prescribed by their own rules and regulations. We come to the opposition after the break.

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Secondly, the hate speech is only applicable to the members in opposition. When the Secretary General of the UPND calls Anath Bishop of Lusaka a Lucifer is not hate speech. When the Minister of Education calls the people of Luapula province as suffering from poverty of the mind is not hate speech. When I say I'm more intelligent than him, it's hate speech.

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Very, very key to share knowledge. And as we embark on this journey to our elections in 2026, we had news last week. Um, following the ruling by the Lusaka High Court, Justice Conceptor Chinyanuam Zulu, the registrar of societies has effected the court orders and has reinstated Mao Sampa as patriotic front president. Remember, this should have been done in May 2025 because Mao Sampa fired Morganingona as his Secretary General and replaced him with himself. And he made changes at Parliament. This was in 2024. Morganingona rushed to uh court. Why did this happen? Is that a few days before we saw that Mao Sampa reconciled with the late president Edgar Chagua Lungu there, the cup of tea, you saw those pictures, and he pledged to return the PF back to the fault, back to the grouping that was led by President Edgar Lungu. And when he tabled the matter before his central committee where Morgan and Chavinga were, of course, they were both surrogates from the state, so they defied Mao Samba. So before they could do anything, he decided to take a stern action. He removed Morgan as Secretary General and removed uh Robert Chavinga as leader of the opposition in parliament. The following few days we saw Morgan Ngona obtain a court injunction resisting the removal, meaning things remained on the status quo. So although Mal Sampa had removed both um Morgan Ngona and expelled MP Robert Chavinga, there was nothing that could be done because it was a court injunction. But for failure to prosecute the matter in May 2025, Justice Concepta Chinyanwa Zulu, to our credit, removed the injunction, said you are failing to prosecute the matter. It's been one year, and you are failing to prosecute it. So the injunction in which you are seeking protection, so these actions are not done against you should be removed. You saw at the steps of the Supreme Court there, Mao Sampa celebrating that it is now done. Moganingona is no longer uh secretary general of the party because the action to remove him and the injunction that held him uh is no longer uh in place. But what did we do? What did we see? We saw the registrar of society, the acting chief registrar, in fact, make changes and remove Mal Sampa as president of the of the PF and put Robert Chabinga as president of the PF. And Robert Chavinga began to go around Lugualo at Lugualo Lulinine or Lugualo Lulinine. I don't know in the comments tell me what Lugualo is. What language is it? What does it mean? You know, but he simply was saying, as office bearers, I have the titles of the party to myself. They've removed Mao Sampa. Now that was illegal, that was contempt, that was contempt by the chief registrar. Because I was a court order firing Morgan Ningona. But you know that this is a process where President Akainde H. Leman State House have been personally involved. We have been very, very strong on that judge. But if you perceive, pursue the facts before that court, are that she has actually been instrumental. She doesn't enforce the law, but she had removed the injunction that protected Morgan Ingona and the decisions that were made at parliament in May 2025. So what we saw this week, where now the case was thrown out for want of prosecution, because Morgan Ngona and Robert Chavinga have been using the court process to hijack and steal the patriotic front, even without court orders. So what we have seen now is another development. This development should have happened in May 2025. What we've now seen is just a fresh development where the court have dissolved that matter because Morgan Ngona has failed to prosecute the matter since 2024, June 2024. What does it mean? Effectively, it means that the party is back, but it is with Mal Sampa. Remember, there are two processes. There is a process which sued Mal Sampa that he had held an illegal conference which declared him president, and we've had running court battles. That matter was overtaken by events when Mal Sampa decided to come to President Edgar Lunguandea, the cup of tea, and between them they settled that the PF should return to original honors, a fresh election should be held, whether to re-elect President Lungu or any other candidate. But that process was thwarted. So what we did was to reinforce the agreement between Edgar Lungu and Mao Sampa, a consent agreement, because there were various cases in the courts of law, including the expulsion of those seven MPs led by Brian Munduwile. We decided to use that case to settle the matter between the PF. So Mao Sampa's lawyers and the PF lawyers for Rafael Nakachinda, Brian Munduwile, and others came together and did what is called a consent agreement and deposited it in court. This is a consent agreement that has not been signed for one, almost one year. And our cry with the judge was that this is an agreement whose parties have agreed to resolve the matter. Why are you not signing it as required by law? We saw many, many, many uh consent judgments signed, especially for the compensation of UPND cards. They were being signed, you know. Frank Tayadi, former minister of education, former or current minister of transport, a gun was pointed at him, 450,000 given to him. We saw 32 million given to a few uh cuddles that were imprisoned. We saw all those consent judgments signed, but the PF judgment was never signed. That particular matter is coming up on 27th March. It was postponed because there were intervening development. In between, there was uh uh Robert Chavinga who came to join to the case because he realized that the PF matter would be settled and the PF will finally go back, who reconcile all the factions in the PF. So he feared what would happen and he came to join the case. But when it came to prosecuting that case, Robert Chavinga even feared to come on the stand because no one has ever elected him. And he feared that he would disclose the details of how he became acting president on the office bearers in the registrar of societies. So that matter, which effectively gives the PF, because what has happened now is that Mao Sampa has wrestled the PF from Robert Chabinga, but as a larger group, you know, those that are being led by acting president Given Lubinda, who, you know, uh are waiting for the reconciliation through the consent judgment between Mao Sampa and Given Lwinda so that the party's factions can be reconciled and we can go to elections and hold a general conference. This is where we are. It's a huge political victory for Mal Sampa, who has prosecuted this man matter with his own resources, with his own money, and he has been resilient. Finally, he's been given. Robert Chabinga decided to appeal, which is a delaying tactic, which is usually an abuse of the court process. Judge, um, you know, Judge Conceptor Chinyanu Zulu allowed the appeal, but she threw out his application to stay her own judgment. She said this is an abuse of the court process. Because what this what was she going to stay? She had removed an injunction that protected Morgan Ningona in May 2025. And now, for almost two years, he has failed to prosecute the case. What was she going to stay other than to participate in abuse of the court process? This window gives the PF to hold a proper general conference. I don't know if they have to wait for the judgment that will take place on March 27th. I don't know the internal workings that are currently underway because this matter we've left it to presidential candidates, and we want the candidates, the electoral commission and the secretariat, to hammer out agreements, including key stakeholders like Mao Sampa, to resolve this issue. I think when the matter is ripe, Celestine Mukandila, we will come to you, the media, and probably even come on this forum to come and explain where they are. But is this golden window in which the PF can hold a genuine, legitimate legal conference? Um you have Bran Mundwile, who fell away, who was one of the strongest candidates in the PF, but who's who's fallen away with the leadership and the structure and the rules of the PF, is now outside, is formed, you know, this breakaway Tonse Alliance and is running on FDD. In the PF, there's Makebizolo, there's acting president Given Lovinda, Chimbakambuidi, Chlufia Chitalu, Dr. Chitalu Chilufia, and others, uh, Willa Joseph Mudolo, that are pursuing this presidency and this election. Um, which brings me to another matter of uh Brian Munwil, a dear brother of mine, a dear friend of mine, and uh I am surprised that his supporters accuse me of uh of uh of fighting him. I can't. I can't fight Brian. Brian is a dear friend of mine I've known for 30 years. You know, when I arrived uh uh in in uh Kasama as permanent secretary, there were a lot of things that I was doing because I recognized as PS, having worked, you know, in civil service with a lot of experience, I recognize that our MPs, you know, it's another matter for our MPs, because people want MPs to build roads, to dig bores, to do all sorts of things that MPs are not mandated to do. MPs are legislators, they are just supposed to be at parliament. And out of one year, nine months is spent with our MPs being in parliament. So I devised a program to help my MPs because I know the discord, the the discord that is between the MP, elected MP, and and the constituency. Because MP promises to build roads, clear feeder roads, build crossing points, buy maze. They promise heaven on earth, but they are mere legislators, unless they will use their money. They have none, the things they promise to our people can be done. So I devised a program with the experience I had that I'm going to help our MPs in the entire province. So, for example, the water rig that digs bohols was in every district where there was no water. My duty was just to look for fuel. You know, I worked very closely with uh RRU uh rural um roads unit at the time. It was independent, but I'm told it has messed. Then there is also ZNS that is present at the province for infrastructure. My duty was to look for their fuel, and I deployed them to districts and constituencies to ease the burden of our MPs, because our MPs spend up to nine months in parliament. And as a PS, I said, I don't want my MPs. This is an area, and I have to develop it. So I found issues in Imporo Koso where Bran Mundwili had stood. There were very strong people that had stood in 2011. Even if there was this strong wind of change for the PF, there were areas of resistance in Imporo Koso, Lunte, and Imporo Coso itself, in Impulung Umbala, and remember Northern Province at the time was one. The Mafinga, Isoka, Nakonde. These were areas where the MMD still registered very strong presence. And Brad had stood on the MMD ticket and had scored huge numbers. Professor Wilombe from the University of Zambia won because the PF. There was a by-election before, and before long, there was a general election, and Professor Wilombe won that election. But he was complaining. My elections now, Peter, but he's holding tournaments. He's holding, you know, he's still very strong in the head despite the loss, Brian had begun the campaign for 2016 elections. So I called Brian and we had a good discussion. And that's how we picked up the friendship. By 2014, Brian was with the PF, was working very strong, strongly with us. By 2015, you remember that President Edgar Lungu had now even appointed him as ERB board chairperson. So these young people, these bloggers have no idea of our relationship. So when I provide criticism to Brian and the Tonsei Alliance, it's not personal. First, I had to defend the party to demonstrate that what they had done was illegal, that what they had done was running out of patience and therefore exploiting the inadequacies that we were facing, where we didn't have the party, where the party that was, it was becoming more grim that the party would never be returned to the PF. And many members across the country kept on saying, and Brian Mundwill exploited that that opportunity and went. And he had support of some MPs and some party structures. So when we condemned that that process was illegal, that that process was sanctioned by the party, it's not that I'm fighting Brian. The party has statute as regulations, as uh as a structure. That's what leadership is all about. And our structure was being led by Given Lovinda. And when one of our members trade, as a senior member and spokesperson of the party, had a duty to communicate the strong position of the party, even if Brian Mundwile was a dear friend of mine. So I do not bother with people that misunderstand me. I've never bothered to explain myself. I think I just do my job and focus on what needs to be done. So the FDD, which is supporting Tonsei Alliance and which has become the special purpose vehicle, held a conference last week at which uh uh uh uh Dr. Chfumu Banda, former veteran Chasefu MP and former vice president of FDD, scooped the presidency. And they put in their clause that they will sponsor a candidate from Tonsei Alliance, and they stated that Tonsei Alliance has adopted Bran Munuwile as its candidate, and therefore the candidate, presidential candidate for FDD, although it has a president in uh Chifumu Banda, will be Brian Munduwile. There are two issues there. Number one is um was a conference legit. Now, don't get emotional, these are called facts. Citizen first, Hari Kalava. Remember, he was deplatformed, they took away the the political party from him. Uh and you should admire the resilience of Hari Kalava. They took away the platform from him. He started from scratch, registered and built citizen first. And last year they decided to have a general conference. In accordance with the law, Article 60, before you go to general conference, you have to have an internal conference. This applies to everyone, including the PF and the UPND. Hari Kalawa held a general conference, and the registrar of society refused to accept that his general conference was legit. What were the questions that they asked Hari Kalawa? Is that number one, you didn't give us notice as required by the law, by the regulations. You didn't give the Zambia police notice of 30 days. You didn't give the Registrar of Societies a notice of 30 days. Remember, these are constitutional matters. They require that they are monitored by the law and by those prescribed to monitor it. So citizens first, first general conference in 2025 was nulfied on those two accounts. This becomes a warning to all those holding general conferences as they go to elections. You should ask KBF. He has held one very successfully, notified the police. In fact, KBF's uh general conference was postponed twice. Why? Because he had not met the regulations of 30 days, and the police kept on telling him that you can't hold it within a period of two weeks. So until the 30 days were satisfied, the police monitored his election in Kitwe, and the Regitarial Society is also monitored the election of uh uh uh of KBF. That's why KBF, giving his victory speech, invited the PF. He says, I have Lugualo now. Come and find a home in here. Why? Because his his conference had adhered to the rules as set um. Um so Citizen First, their first general conference in 2025 was nulfied on that score by the Registrar of Societies. So Harry Calava decided to comply with these rigid requirements and he held a second general conference at which he was now popularly elected and accepted, and all institutions accepted his elections. Similarly, Fred member of the Socialist Party also complied with those regulations. He gave 30 days' notice to the police, to the general public, to his members, and to the to the registrar of societies. Why do they want you to follow these procedures? Remember, Article 60 of the Republican Constitution has elevated the standards of who should be your presidential candidates. They want them to go through a certain process because the requirements, the requirements for who should be president are listed, I think, in Article 35 of the Republican Constitution. So they want time to verify. Are you Zambian? Are you not bankrupt? Has any court declared you bankrupt? Are you in any way could have saved jail sentences beyond uh uh uh uh uh uh is it is it um is it three years or six months? Someone in the comment who knows the law can comment to me. So to help scrutinize that, that's why they need to monitor all processes and scrutinize you. Why? Because ECZ only has five days when you file in and they have to announce you as a successful candidate. When we say the opposition must pay attention to all these processes, it's not that we are alarming them, because these can be points of weaknesses where the state and ECZ can do mingala to unbar a potential candidate. When we call for transparency in these processes and for proper education biases, ECZ, to partner with political parties as teams to bring development and democracy in our country. We don't mean to spite anyone because we recognize that President Again can use these processes against the opposition. We have seen how he has weaponized the law against the opposition. So I haven't spoken to Dr. Lawrence Muelwa or Chfum Banda. I hope that the FDD conference complied with those regulations. It's just not easy. Similarly, is my court to the PF, who are about to hold a conference, and they've been trying to hold a conference since uh uh February 28th. And now that they have the papers, they probably they should become aware of uh uh of this. Um, before I open phone lines, um we are discussing the state of the nation and the state of the state of the opposition. We saw our dear brother Fred Membe with uh the son of the president who's been removed from office from Venezuela and is here in the United States and is being prosecuted on drug and money laundering charges. But uh Fred Membe seems to have penetrated these comrades in the socialist community in Cuba, in Venezuela, and we saw a wonderful picture of Fred Membe with his son to uh President Maduro. Um um the opinion poll before I forget, I saw some criticism of the opinion poll. Well, good news again, good news. The results of the opinion poll has been reported in newspapers in Namibia, Malawi, Zimbabwe, South Africa, and Kenya. Like I was saying, you might denigrate what we do, but there are many people that hold us with uh uh uh uh uh uh uh serious credibility. And why was our po legitimate? First, it attracted 800,000 views. 800, almost a million when you look at uh the statistics, almost a million, but 800,000 views. I had a total of 100,000 votes. 42,000 votes came for the online voting, whatever the voter, HK, MZ, BM, but yeah, 42,000 of those comment. Then on the Facebook poll, we had 60,000 votes. So total 100,000 votes. This is a very large sample size, even if you don't like Emmanuel, the process itself is so rigid that you ought to respect it. The winners there, and there's something I need to announce the winners was in the Facebook poll was President Hakainde Ichilema, where he scored 51%. But we put it to scrutiny. Remember, I said I I was reluctant to announce the overall winner. I just announced categories. President Hagainde Ichilema's supporters or managers of social media sent in 7,000 bots. What are bots? Bots um I've tried to explain it to our people in a very simple way. I can today pay Facebook, and I say my target at the end of the month is that I want to have 1 million supporters. On my page, they are organic. I've never advertised, never a single day advertised. So the numbers you see, that's why you see you see on Facebook that someone can have large numbers. But look at the following, they will have 10 followers. If you open your Facebook page, let me just open it for clarification. Uh I wish I could have known, I would have shown you. Um come on, come on, come on, come on. So there's a part that shows um your that, for example, my followers as at now are 329,000 followers. But those following my page every day, 826, this is a very large number. Let me compare to the largest page in Zambia, Mwebantu. Mwebantu is almost 3 million. Uh 3 million followers, but it only has about a thousand people following it. You will see these pages with big numbers, but they will have 200 people following, 60 following, 71 following. So our page is a very big page by the statistics online. So to that poor, we are supposed to subtract 7,000 votes from President Akainde Chelum because he sent what we call bots. Bots are not real people. You can pay an Indian firm or Nigerian firm. Ask the musician if they want to hit on YouTube 1 million people overnight, they'll pay. And if you scrutinize the people that vote for them, you will find sometimes 20,000 comments replicating just one comment. So those are not real people, is what we call bots. And um uh so President Ichlema didn't, my team is still scrutinized, didn't reach 50%, 50 plus 1% in the Facebook poll. Because we have to remove out of the votes that he got, he got 23,000. We have to remove 7,000 votes because we trust one single bot from Vietnam that sent in about 3,000 votes, and another one from India. So I think to shore up his support, the people that are managing President Akainde, to fool him, that is very popular. They just pushed in those numbers and quickly he rose to 23,000 votes. And the next person on that Facebook poll was Brian Munduwile with about 16, 17,000 votes. But so we are scrutinizing if any of the candidates sent in votes. That's why I like those that were typing, you know, HK, Mz, or BM. Because those are real people, you can see them. Even there, we had to remove the duplicates. You remember in one poll, we had poured about 10,000 for online votes, and we only got 3,000 because the other 7,000 were problematic. Either people were repeating and typing, one person typing 500 times. So those, when you push it through AI, it scrutinized and said, ah, for your poll, just get the 3,000 votes. So we are we continue to scrutinize this. So President Akainde Echelima didn't reach the 50 plus one. We have to subtract the 6,000 votes that he got through the bots. One from Vietnam, another bot that pushed in the numbers. Um uh, you know, one of the supporters for my dear brother John Sangwa. I said, when you were doing the 1 million vote, when you reached to 70,000, you got stuck. Then you removed all the guardrails, phone numbers, email address, and and then the numbers shot to one million. So how sure are you that you're not using bots? It's the same criticism that I'm using on President Ichilema. Because as soon as you remove the guardrails, then you expose yourself to unnatural numbers because someone can send in to please you or to please who's sponsoring the numbers. Like they fooled President Dakainde Ichilema that on our Facebook poll he had scored 51% when he had not. On the phone calls, Harikalawa won the first time and you also won the second time. He also did very well on the online polls. President Ichilema did very poorly both on online polls, on online um uh uh uh votes and on the phone calls. I remember even on the twelve on the phone calls, President Ichlema only received 12 votes. So our opinion poor, looking at a large sample size, you know, and the various methods we used are credible, and I think that's why the newspapers in the countries I've mentioned have uh reported the results. Someone is saying my other page is not showing us live. We'll check what could be the problem, but I know that on YouTube we are live and on the other pages we are live. Um the lines are open, you can make your contributions.

SPEAKER_28 1:05:28

We have serious problems that need to be addressed. Unity cannot be there when other regions in this nation are crying foul. The Baroffani Agreement, as you know, was abrogated in 1969 and removed from the constitution of Zambia, meaning that that agreement now became obsolete, that the people are crying foul. Today, the remains of our late president Edgar Chagbalungu for us Zambians let. For me, I don't even know where they are. That breaks my heart. A leader is supposed to be honest, a leader is okay.

SPEAKER_16 1:06:09

I want you to speak. Let's open the phone lines quickly so that you can speak. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions. Oh, Mr. Snyango from Canada.

SPEAKER_17 1:06:24

Yes, I'm calling you. I have two uh contributions today. And uh, my first contribution is I'll ask you, you're still a very current cardinal member of PF and you're doing the MCC. Uh what is your role to think with that they have a good convention and they abide by the 30 days mandate that you just explained to us? Because where we are now, we don't want them to be held to say you did not follow the law. So, where are you with the team and what is your role to ensure that we have a good convention because you have got so much experience, you have so much experience in this game. Second, my obsession with the post that you held, there's only one winner in both. If you look at it, MZ8 and Ari Calaba, M Zip won the first with the margin of 40%. The second one MZ didn't do well, but he was within 48 was 43, and the other one was 42. MZA was still in 40. So for me, after you conducted a very good uh opinion call, I was happy and I'm still celebrating to say here is the man who comes on the political scene, he hasn't even done so much campaign, but is still as a follow-up. And for me, this is a wake-up call to everyone. To say, you know, politics is about numbers and it's about serving your candidates. And for me, I'll continue supporting MZ because for me, your follow-up and proven to say is a man of integrity. The fourth point is we have a thing that this other party in government they have always tried to play in mingalato in how they do things, how now Sampa was even given the name for the register without even following the rules. So, what is your comment when this party that has been playing in Mingalato attempts as concluded as we need to say the sitting president is no longer the party president? So, what could us Zambians do? Thank you, Ambassador Mwamba, and God bless you, and God bless all the people that are listening.

SPEAKER_16 1:08:56

Thank you very much, uh a quick one. You are right. The polls were won by President Akainde Chema for the Facebook poll, Harikalaba for the phone calls, and Makebizulu for the online poll, the free shared vote. My role in PF, I always communicate like I've communicated with my advisor. But those are collective decisions uh the factor led by acting president to the secretary general. All I can do is advise and contribute in my own small way. I don't run the PF, it's run by Honorable Given Winder, and when the party takes position, we you know we are obliged by their decision. So those will be the quick answers to you, uh, my dear brother Sinyango from Canada. Yes, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling you from.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:42

Uh Alex, good evening, uh Ambassador.

SPEAKER_16 1:09:45

Alex, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

My concern is um these judgments that you have referred to concerning PF and the and Sharinga. Um Ambassador, a concern is that um there's an appeal to this judgment, and this appeal will be delayed. What's the delay? I feel in the judge yourself and all the process for them to arrive.

SPEAKER_16 1:10:10

Alex, Alex, Alex, let me correct you. The judge has accepted an appeal, but the judge refused to stay on account, meaning Morgan Ngona remains expelled, and the decisions that were made by Mal Sampa in 2024 to remove Robert Chavinga and to remove Morgan Ningona are valid, unless he had a stay, but he didn't get a stay, the judge dismissed the stay. So, as we are now, the parties with Mal Sampa.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

But how do we trust Vassampa? Um because remember Wasampa's commission was that he did not follow the right procedure.

SPEAKER_16 1:10:52

Remember again, just to help you, there is a consent judgment whose ruling is coming back, it's coming on the 27th of March. That I explained, maybe we're not here. I explained that number one, what has happened in court is Sampa has gotten the PF from uh Robert Chabinga. That's what has happened. Uh but the PF to go to the main PF where acting president given Lubinda is there is a consent judgment that has been pending since 2025. Uh so that matter is coming up on 27th um March 2026. But again, you have to give Honorable Mao Sampa credit. He reconciled with the late president, so you still can't raise the issues when the two settled the matter. He even committed himself and accepted to the terms of the consent judgment. He accepted that there was uh his conference was not proper, he accepted in the right matters that are before court. So for me, for those two issues, we have to give Mao Sampa credit. Let's not look at the past. He reconciled with the late president. Number two, he signed a consent judgment to have to give back the PF to the legitimate owners, so you can't still kick a man who has done those things.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:18

But now, sir, uh now the problem the issue is this matter is coming on the 27th or 26th March of this year, and the parliament will be dissolved in in April. I mean in May of this year. As the party of PF, do they have the time to have to put the party those things in order for them to persuade?

SPEAKER_16 1:12:42

Yeah, the matter to worry about is the one coming up on 15th April, where presidential candidates have to submit 1,000 voters. Um parliament will be dissolved two months from now, and nominations are two months from now. In between, let's see how how they behave. My point, Alex, is how will they behave? Up and doesn't have the same time as PF. So, how what will UPND follow the 30 days notice? Will UPND ensure that they comply with the law.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:17

UPND has not held this conference, but these people, you know, they don't respect the constitution, they can do it at any given time.

SPEAKER_16 1:13:25

Correct, correct. That I agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:28

So these are the concerns that as a citizens, as the followers of the part of our choice, would want to see these things done and done of yesterday.

SPEAKER_16 1:13:37

I think I think honorable given winda is up to the game. I'll try to see if we can bring Celestine Mukandjila, he comes and answers all these concerns. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_25 1:14:00

Good evening, Ambassador. So you know, I am video I can use a change. Registration provisions, yeah, by district, the master for organization. Why you push up on the wamba?

SPEAKER_16 1:19:24

They can trust the cobra. Thank you. Let's let's let's yeah, we saw what uh Bamukonga is talking about during Women's Day and um during um the youth day, where various structures were all wearing PF regalia, but others would just carry a you know a banner, either MZ or BM8. We saw that, and it was great confusion where everyone was fighting for PF uh PF to be identified as PF. Arukola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Yes, my brother. Ava the fruit wakama dile muzambia etoi pani platform. Eto mwena fred membe Valesa Bakebu Valesa Wa munduvile Valesa Bonse Valesa In fact wa PFanokepa Please please Aba kwakala wanganaba itemwa muiba tangia ni platform ya wonabena.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:50

Awonashlafu kuranda mwiz advision, a chambu reta unity. Okay, landen can watch advice. Nashalanda ti, wo se abinabis a po platform yesu. Mmuach advise it apokutufki, a my election yeah last yeah. Nashakuwachi taba taba posepa to night. Balisam kubika ku inabita h twenty nine day, numapita fiapa. So, abakuriba meme, abuma kuriba rubinda banita wasana machina bouchi man kanu. Bankanduru in a time uhaj taronchi yati bamozuteo. Banisa andam kandu mashu nasu masana lionity. Bamozi alliance pray kasana mudu. Mudio deo. Eh, so to re trasana trip once make a tani, is my winner my dictionar. Tabu de win a my diction, e kaya. Oh, on so there is a paralyzed platform us with some curanda chababa, couldibamon to viaba, couldib sam, papaba, couldibanani, that to the foyer, footy.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:07

Okay, I think we got you. Thank you very much, and you are right. Uh, we've spent a lot of time trying to unite the opposition. Arocola, you were you are muted. Um please make your contributions.

SPEAKER_27 1:23:21

Thank you very much, Ambassador Mwamba. Uh, this is Uncle Jay. Thank you. Um, first of all, I just want to appreciate you. Indeed, you are an epitome of uh wisdom politically in Zambia. This is the only place and the only person that we can get wisdom from politically. You are not biased, you are so balanced, you speak. You know, if the things concern um you know the governing party, uh the opposition, you've caught them as uh they should be called.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:54

Uh oh, Uncle Jay, are you cut? Uncle Jay, you are either muted, you've muted yourself. Uncle Jay, you've muted yourself.

SPEAKER_27 1:24:07

Am I audible now?

SPEAKER_16 1:24:09

Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_27 1:24:10

Thank you. Yeah, so uh you you you are given how to actually balance the information and uh we are ready to make God continue to sustain you. My thought right now is um on uh on a report even Lovinga. You know, the convention in the light of what you just decided. I think uh we shouldn't actually let these things happen.

SPEAKER_16 1:24:41

And I actually asked you that uh uh uncle, your phone today. What has happened? I'll ask Uncle Jay to call back because we seem to be losing him. Hello, Ambassador Mamu. Hello, good evening. Good evening, I put a l and lenipo.

SPEAKER_14 1:25:39

They shall be that male tier ship. How is sure my cala Pono Mutima Va Kawana Valand Valanda? No, we got moose and twenty woman sango. A my injunction nafimiko chimile Londola. Kwenaine ukulumba kwantikosa putuambila u tekwam twenty twenty one side balo tailaisa, tulemana wantale tukano bailummo, ulubali lumbe lulemakwati chilifi. Mbaka na cyber loya isa, noba abba mwa opposition bayamba uki katua no kukakwa. Ba piafu malikwa tama sitselam parliament, yaambukjepa. Ba opposition at large, pantu neba uh uh my independent candidates wonse baikatu i katuwa mbuje banda wuba utukilo ko chavane fan if you um boseba bran vilen ba si and first, was ever kb chushibuchalo. Iba we want Zambia. Ama light mabu twenty twenty one up president wina. The next week is anabanabala. I mean the bala that it after twelve o'clock now sworn in as president. But two o'clock dollar, yeah. If it's a field opposite. Two pill of packet. If it was total is a package. Mutima. Bali katashama apologies. Basambana riba tangere life. Ku hijacking convention yabuka kumulungush. Navashiri kanabemini nefis polopolo consequence uk chingili la baantu. Nat niwa na niba pele sampa na mam la chwa winga ubu chinglisi mustate property. Bufi na foku teko. But look, ia video awa i kwata, please produce it. Uka mfwe ukova mouseam pabali land. Ukuba tumuntu, bala nama telegetsbaletele. A tip, if mkashakuele, mukisa kwisa kusha chip. Basan paba tire, sha laisa nobadi in the from state house. I wondered why. Uchwala inchbati, can you record this? Can you record this? Na lekafia didn't record. A pep mfido ku kba mouse, baba jifka papila chichin t na chit show. So baji buela mu, kubele la, kuba pokerela, pantnifu wasetena in our own ways. If if neva sampabana kung tma bawela na leza wine kufama pepo aumfa alatant kefintu. Wa utielo lonsakasu vanose chungulo, ba chabinga ba yukunaba biri ngana, ukula defu ale landano. Nde lombako, ale ngafuko kunasha mi tima nani ba ba pe fma kwitem convention constitution ukila, ngapala chtika meeting or conference or workshop, at mlachita lift ama suspensions yonse. Uku bika pre shwid gusana tio mundubire area. Chachi ne mundubiro are for fini. We wantu approad go sani alipchiping gumwe that Christ was a pa sende chumachawa wishibam pelea, ayata, kanya, asha, aonaula. But when he realized I wele la kuli wishi, wish adi wa ready kum pokerela, wish ali longinishuma wandia kesariladi, wwwanja kesadi ladi. Naba, muewa chili kuri pf na ipamozi Isa pamu. A pamuze pf donce pa pf pamosi. Sorim kwieti na acquainty what james aed. Mweba di kuli chichi pan. Wish emitima receptive kuchifa mundubi the woke up one morning, naba na ka. Wabana kilometba na ba Iche. Aba guys tuawela. Nabucha kwa shinqua, bat guys tuabela. Are you ready to receive them? Banduchakula fifina chili ama posa, I opinion posi. Mwebantimuwe. U sile nani, wundubi oyo, bamu temenwefe, ma kebi bamu temenwefe. Eh, by uh cala temenwefe. We can't deny it. Tatuwa we na Zambia, Pafibamwefiji, Kafini, fertilize Baba eight eight, okay mkwa kanina patubale. E mw. Tatawala fwaine, ta shabi problem fertilizer mzambia to fertilize pakabali. Why them a cooperatives cali, northern cooperative union, eastern cooperative union fertilizer massa ka pamuin shall fashbeswale di ma. But it's a kuma cooperative unions I uh government uh prosthetos. So in babu twenty twenty, twenty first century, not to set a fertilizer patubale, abantia pina, but we're saying um to a kwareza. Um so you know, we shanyen babuku. Um we shanyuchai sendu kuchipanicha kale kupiafu, kaminuk convention, cabyan convention, toa papata, but wind the Kabian Convention, but she maken convention, ababu that they are stepping down, they women to a total to meet me papa china. Kutila tatrify U PND capite. To keani if we as you meal, to get a shanama light to an school best of solar panels. Solar panel shit and two. Uh piano solar panel, because my business is uh, when to there is no money in circulation that much, much more on the onset of Ukuteko. And I mobuse the counter times. Which government or which term in the counter time who's lasted longer? Did you see Uteco Pitafi? Akupene campaign at that rulership. But I baloi kofiolse. Please wel any catane pamu to a few, each other to be coming, but mister Who Ide muse we next twenty five years rental, it won't do Kakarika, which in it, you know, no much zombies. Uh you want a fiano. If I phase up on a gala, you understand it in Katamas to put sociality into child who clamu took a special next five years. The possibility of Uk change of takeover is there a hundred percent. It should be pile, lack of humility. Well, if you're that part of San. Ah, yeah, if you don't wait for that time because nga chat twenty twenty-six. So you quickly have to come out of men singatunga.

SPEAKER_16 1:33:45

Hey, thank you, thank you, thank you very much. Thank you for your wisdom. Thank you. Alocola, please tell us your name and where your call is from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_19 1:33:58

Hello, good evening, Ambassador. Good evening, Katie Shingoma. Yes, my name.

SPEAKER_16 1:34:06

My dear sister, the researcher and analyst, political analyst. Go ahead and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_20 1:34:12

Yes, Ambassador Mwamba. Um in the contribution, Yandi. Uh, I want to address my president Haga Inde Ichilema. Nendefu ayoku be pusho kwe bati. How many underhand methods is he going to use to mislead Davena Zambia? We have seen one man in the name of Dennis Ken Utumba. He's a UPND person. So, right now, I think some few minutes ago, he was on Crown TV. Telling Awana Zambio Kobati Balungu Tabah or on the teacher. So trying to drive different narratives. You started with that pressure group from South Africa. Mm-hmm. That pressure group to start demanding. Next no bameto winizambia. Mwa kwa to mutimawashani. Mutimawashan www. Your elder brother is in the moog now for nine months, and you want to continue politicking over his death. Mobu mi wwabobalungu aliba choose. We saw it, everybody saw. He could have been your political rival. But that treatment you gave Kudibalungu, nobody would push it on you, Mr. President. Your your your predecessor was insulted day and night. Humiliated. On top of that, you denied him access to and have his medical attention in South Africa. Nine months down the line. You are still following him. And for those that would want to say no, H is not interested. HH is interested. Because if HH is not interested, move. By this time, we could have we could have buried Balungo. We could have buried him. Why am I saying this? The Lungu family never refused that Balungu Babale tekuno Zambia. The only communicated why final wish of Balungu. And that wish was that. No, should he preside over his funeral? You should you should not ask him why, or you should you shouldn't even ask the family why. Why you've been saying no, the family is the one who has to withdraw this case. No, but H you have the power to withdraw this case. You have the power to do this. You have the power. Na ida case ya chti ke ku high court. Now fumamo, let the family bury. Ngamulete Kuzambia and Shaka Sangueko, I'll respect the wishes of my predecessor. The Lungu family will bury their loved one and they'll have the closure. Inepa no jingo muntu. Now in kokon tongania, anything else apart from superstition. My heart glee to see Madame Estalungu being tortured like this, was grieving the husband. As if that is not enough. To come with a different narrative. Because nga badifua by nine months. This man was on Crown TV today. What an embarrassment. What do you want to be remembered for? Let Balungu rest in peace. You can't continue with this, Mr. President. You can't continue like this. Where is your humanity? And on top of that, you are still bringing people to start driving wrong narratives. What you are doing to the to the lungu family, this is not something that would be wished on you. God forbidamwarifuide. Nobody would wish what you are doing to the to the lungu family or to balungu avenni on you. Nobody would wish that. Because it's inhumane. Lastly, by Bamwamba, can Bab H do the right thing? Let Balungu rest in peace. Can you please respect his final wishes? You can't continue doing this to the dead man. You can't. As though that's not enough. Bakabesa goes on to say we need to bury Balongo before elections. What is the connection? Before elections, we need to bury. What about the family? What about his final wishes? Please let Balongo rest in peace. And stop bringing this government to be dragging your narrative and you think Zambians are stupid and are going to bite your story. Balungo is no more. Which is unethical, even you went ahead, you did this. The Lumambo kupitanat balungu tababua because the babu abamona. What kind of government are you? You can't treat a growing family like this. Nine months. You're not even concerned how the body is being kept. You are using taxpayers' money to hire those lawyers in South Africa. Our money. We've not even allowed you to do this. You're using our money. We've not allowed you to do this. You have to let the Lungu family bury their loved one according to his wishes. Thank you, Mamba.

SPEAKER_16 1:42:34

Thank you, my dear sister. I have sadly seen some of the videos that have been issued by this Ken Tumbo. Horrible, horrible hate speech and um uh uh defamatory, and it's unacceptable that even a credible media like Crown TV even proceeded to host him. That means we are we uh why would they want the body of a man who's alive? Why would they issue certificates? Why would doctors issue certificates in South Africa? Come on, it's so below the bar. Crown TV, you can do better. Don't allow this conman to abuse your platform. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:51

So yeah, each the consequences. And then I'm gonna pose my brother Defund, Akati Nakabutina difundi. So that to ling to a wheel and tons, gave Navaya Bangatonse by Futi, even in Chi, Navena Bayasenda Fiatonse, Constitution I Tonse. So chile to a few Azambia show the woman to come after a bundle as a portable in a tons. So chili shapuba Papa Mozi Bonzi Baby Papa Yukatana, never convention. But saying that we can show Kobati, Salin Tungushi Salini Tungushi.

SPEAKER_16 1:45:35

So God cut. I don't call up tell us your name and where you are calling us from Good evening, uh good evening.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:17

But the podcast is a podcast years, I change your direction. A prefer division takuri. We are the division at Muranish Natuska Pangananda.

SPEAKER_16 1:47:49

Thank you very much, thank you very much. Indeed, we want unity, but it's up to the leadership to foster that unity. Uh, our duties uh we've tried very hard, but our leaders are stuck in their ways. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:06

Yes, yes, thanks so much. Good evening, Bahamamba.

SPEAKER_16 1:48:09

Good evening.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:11

Um James calling you from Zambia.

SPEAKER_16 1:48:14

Yes, James, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:17

Oh, thank you. Um, I can advise that my P Fuck Fuku Vision and come up with a T two three uh candidates. Number one Akasha MPF, number two, okay who has independent, and then number three, I can be a perspective purpose very candies like it. Then you can't be number company, look at the campaign as one group once a five with one manifesto. One manifesto, then by June I mean, I mean five. But by June, nobody will be since they they will still be campaigned as a group. They continue to campaign for one candidate out of these five, with one manifesto. Um piece distributed amongst them because there are five political parties. And before I do that, you have some easy defeat. Uh PFAT, party. These two others who still remain.

SPEAKER_16 1:50:02

Thank you very much. Mass mass strategies are one too. But thank you for your call. Alo colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions.

unknown 1:50:14

My name's uh Chandara, calling from the Eastern.

SPEAKER_16 1:50:20

Yes, Chandarafi, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:14

Because the two variables support in the work of the feed to a meeting on Kansas. But even if I found a favorite. So did the Fir Two ma ukub no work. Because if I stream that if we remember Quanisha, I'm going to go in a pumpkin coalition. But if you don't know if you won't pass more in a winning, I think that the more books to us in one.

SPEAKER_16 1:52:10

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions. Good evening. Yes, my sister, make your contributions.

unknown 1:52:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_13 1:53:28

Alan we call a name. I'll be in body. I saw my pull up. I think I'm dying. I wish you a program I know. I want to let you like, I don't know for a little dia. If you can graduate, I don't share a trial. Ah, do we have to buy it? But I can position fifty percent. Avanti for the king. I mean I'm gonna keep up with another. But I don't know what it's like. Who never see the poker for case for wake? What's a vinger? Who let's take on the moon down? Thank you.

SPEAKER_16 1:58:57

Thank you very much, thank you. We've got another caller. Caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_14 1:59:04

I love Kind of transformation quite. So you are that finish up.

SPEAKER_16 2:00:44

Thank you very much. Thank you. Allocola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:26

Tonse Ama political party ended the Pamu. So just ambo Kuson Tane, Minun, Kuson Tane, Mino Kovao, you know you are each amount quendel pamo. But I'm a group you also to requa, opinion points of Java. What about you to bat is what meaning opinion police to Palifia? Even dogs in a quasi. A vice president to be full of shallows and be to summer. A president of Calaboy Zulu, I shall have device. Lift the all suspicions position. If you are in the landup, why you can have vision for example, like a provincial minister, a provincial chairman, who can about Senga. Why do you share the cook with a wheel at Senger and go? Now they were no full. If you have president, I'll let you know about Michael Chucata, but just have spent. By end of this month, the two for the land of a candidate.

SPEAKER_16 2:05:21

Thank you, Abon. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions. Make your contributions.

SPEAKER_18 2:05:36

Thank you. Uh greetings, uh Vena Zambia. Uh firstly, I want to uh thank you, Ambassador Immanuel Mwamba, because you might think that you're uh it's it's a misfortune, or you know, if you but God appointed you to be here at this time because imagine all this what you're doing wouldn't be happening.

SPEAKER_16 2:06:05

Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_18 2:06:06

Thank you very much, oh yes. So that is the silver lining of your experience and your your fortune if you turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Yes, yes, so a couple of issues. Number one, but my mama's umpa. You know, my mouth samper he has revealed himself and I'm sitting here listening. I wanna kwa. I you know, I'm emotional and I just uh a call and mention that to a mouse and that is like the the big thing. So if you himself stuff with mao samba, who are willing for us to put to put a connector mouse and before I think we need to bury that as you can move on because of all people who wrong is yo, at least mao sampa was money enough to go and meet Mao Sampa to what we're talking about. Apologize the uh second point I listen to what's uh sister comment and what she was saying, and I just feel like this is contempt of court. How can a previous question for somebody to pull a story? This case is the active case in court, so to contempt you, if you are really Zambia police 100% neutral, well, you should arrest that man for contempt of court. That's number one. This is my case. That is contempt because we know I want to walk upstairs, you wontubukaka. This is the hypocrisy of this government. Let the Zambia police act and arrest start arresting these people for content. No one should even be commenting on info is here because this is an active case. You know, we need to call out these people and they need to do the right thing because they are paid by public funds, they are paid to do their job. The government is involved, of course. If the government is not involved, then why is it the HS using his executive powers to put this to an end? He's using executive powers to muddle his way through so many things, even dripping the Bill 7. He said it himself. He has powers, so those powers, why can't he use it to put to end the misery that the whole country is facing, especially the widow and the family? You know, on women's day, you want, running, that is the mourning call. People are still mourning in the hill, and the longer they hold this back, the bigger the funeral is. So that this barrier can happen as we move on. The next point I want to comment is it's UP. And the PF predicament is like it's funny. Well, UP caused all these problems for Pf but today. We are not talking to stuff. But how can you talk yourself or has to go to a coordination? So we shall see why you PNP if we are going to break the law to a point where people can do because they are done so much to damage people and just so many things we all know about it, but they say God who is uh equalizer. We are watching this. We are so EPD, but I told my F D. But F D, we are convention, we have heard here again. The convention is both follow protocols. When do we go to the nomination? We are looking at the possible disqualification of this FDB candidates of Ramundu. And we have to tell you we can another point. We do that we must be neutral. Some of the people who are arrested now, they were fulfilling uh civil service, they were doing making the singles as civil servants and they are in jail, they have been arrested by you people. But something will happen. You people in the judiciary, you are going to dance to the same music, whatever in the same book. If you commit a crime, you are on your own. So now we're going to make it down bomb. Do the right thing, so that's Tomorrow you won't find yourself behind bars for making a decision which is illegal. We have to keep reminding you because you think your your immunity is eternal. No, power is temporary.

SPEAKER_15 2:12:15

Thank you.

SPEAKER_18 2:12:28

But we are like down to the wire, there is no unity. I just want to urge Vera Zambia to just support one candidate. In Malawi, they had 17 candidates, but the people know whom they wanted. I submit. Thank you.

SPEAKER_16 2:12:42

Thank you very much. Thank you. Make your contribution, Cola. From the Copper Belt, yeah, make your contribution. Uh oh, we lost the colour. I think we got your view. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_20 2:14:06

Hello, Bamba. Never dance.

SPEAKER_16 2:14:08

Oh, no, back my sister. Ah, you left out something?

SPEAKER_20 2:14:12

Yes. Um, uh, I've just come to realize that this person Dennis Mutumba na cheba chinwa U PND.

SPEAKER_19 2:14:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_20 2:14:22

No, Dennis Mutumba. But therefore, no queen mini na kushibuyuji town cancer. Okay? And I I I had my comrade uh the president uh comrade kunin for me saying wakakokolababekate. I think we need to tell Ababan to fishing. They are not impartial. They are more like the UPND police. Because the work number directives yaba executive. Uyumutu techibamwikate. We can't start calling for the police to arrest this man. We have to start calling out President Haga Inde Ichilema to do the right thing. Let the widow find closure. This man will not be arrested because he is driving the agenda of President Haga Inde Ichilema. This man has not just started to do this on his own. Because if he did this in his own capacity, we mutual. As long as he's driving the agenda of a president Hagainde Ichilema, you will not be followed, just like Chavinga. Chavinga has been doing all those illegalities because they have the approval of President Haga Nde Chilema, you will not be arrested. This is just the truth. If you finish in car, as long as this man is driving the agenda of President Haga, the police can't even knock on his door. Can you let go? I hope this is the last person, Balea, to start talking about Mfolaba Lungo. He can't come and tell us in his rightful mind that Walungu Tabafua. He can't tell us that. The presidents that wish the grieving family and even the country Zambia. How can you start driving this narrative that this year is still alive? How? Just how? Your sister needs to find closure. Your sister needs to find closure. You can't come and claim to say you want to give him a dignified funeral. If you want to give him a dignified funeral, delegate somebody, respect his final wishes. That's the only dignity you give your predecessor. Thank you, Mamuamba.

SPEAKER_16 2:18:55

Thank you, thank you, my dear sister. And you Ketty Singoma, an analyst and researcher. She's based in Slovenia. Uh, you probably have come across her articles, and she's making a special, special plea. Hello, Vakola. Please, we begin to close. I'll take the last five calls and then we close. Thank you very much. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_24 2:23:40

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_16 2:23:41

Good evening.

SPEAKER_24 2:23:43

This is uh Nonymus from the land of AI. It's been a long time.

SPEAKER_16 2:23:46

Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_24 2:23:48

Sir, I want to make a contribution. I think maybe I'll call it advice.

SPEAKER_16 2:23:53

Please proceed.

SPEAKER_24 2:23:56

Yes, my advice goes to the members of Central Committee for the Patriotic Front, the one that is led by um Honorable Given Luminda. Thank you. I really believe that the members of Central Committee may wish to realize the weight of the responsibility that is in their hands at this time. I am aware that their convention can happen anytime. This week, next week, anytime. So as they go to that convention, I would like to give them this. I think it's a solemn advice. These sufferings of the people of Zambia that we are talking about, the pain that uh the widow of our former late president is going through, the you know, the the the sufferings of our colleagues who are in in prison all over the country. Um these things totally rely on uh being resolved through picking uh the right candidate for the election in August 2026. I know how elections are done in the Patriotic Front. And uh it is an in-house issue, but if there's any member of Central Committee listening, they know what I'm talking about. Let us do what is right. You see, Ambassador, what you did uh with uh the polls gave us a picture of the direction you are not wasting time. You are not trying to get proof it was to give uh direction to give us an idea of where we can go. And those polls provided that direction. They did. We were able to say that okay, so this person seems to be popular in the nation. So at the party level, we should take that advice and be able to say, okay, if the nation is pointing us in this direction, even though you won the the poor on on Facebook, we can't choose him. It's not it's it's the one we want to remove. So we need to find all amongst ourselves as performed well in this poor so that to take advantage of the popularity of this person as a party, so that to no more name so we have prisons and so that we bring closure. How late for closure into in the in our funeral, he will not please people. Try to understand the kind of person we are dealing with in H. That matter is in our it's for us to resolve. And it starts this week with the members of central committee when they make the correct decision, not a point to a weapon said this one you pick me, put me in central committee and vote. Oh, you want this one and no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Take this responsibility very, very seriously, think fiercely about the wider implications of your single decision. But I also can trust the patriotic friend because these are the these are the people that look after each other. So whoever you choose, I'm sure they'll look after, they'll look after the rest of the interest of the party. So let's not have jealousy. Oh, you pantu a musung. No, no, no, no, no. Let's look at the numbers, the data. But if we can if they want, we can help them, ambassador, to Aisabapene, to a landing up just specifically for those who are standing, so that they look at that data, at that, or at those numbers, and make the correct decision. Because if we mess around, if the members of central committee mess around, that funeral will not find closure. Malangia and the colleagues who wrote in prison. That's the reality. Not one can use number trading in there is a waste. No more to waste in situations. Is that not where we are going? If we are going to change and stop that kind of thing, you are going to be in place, number two, number. If we must stop that, let's not be, let's not choose leaders based on very petty premises. Let's look at data. Who's popular? If you can do it, you can do it now. It's a mandate tomorrow. Run and poll for those who are standing for presidency, PF from Wamudoro, uh, Chimbaka Mbuini. Unless you have withdrawn, uh, and everybody's making zuru, given the window. Let's check, let's give, let's do a temperature check to come on which direction should we go? Because the things I've been hearing on the ground are pointing to us bringing this advice to members of the central committee. Don't be petty in your choosing. Know that the weight of the future of this nation is lying on your shoulders. And if you choose well, God will reward you because I'm a people who might be people. It comes, it boils down to you, members of Central Committee. I submit.

SPEAKER_16 2:30:11

Thank you very much. Thank you. Passionate appeal there. I'm taking the last two, three calls. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_17 2:30:23

Thank you, Mamwamba. This is Tingangwidani. I just want to echo and concur with the previous caller, AI. Mamwamba, your program is big. Your program, people that underestimate you, then they don't know what you're doing. So, my I just want to like make a um a suggestion. Can you maybe even this week where we are starting, the nine, the candidates for PF, can you name them and let the people come and cast their opinion on your program? And then from there, people will know who has got the popularity in PF, who can lead PF. What the uh previous caller, AI, has said, I second that, and bamwamba, you've got the mandate to do it. Then lastly, and the core, I'll just say, Balon for a president on this program. A president, like a president of Zambia, it's not an issue. Why? Because of your doing and your actions. It's never too late to make peace. The cry of the widow, just like Tandiwe's voice, is full of pain and cry. Many women and many Zambians, that's the that's the voice they have. The president, whether you didn't like him or you didn't, or you were not in terms in good terms with him, he's a human being and he was the president of Zambia. Can you let go of that body that we bury our president in peace? Thank you, Bangwamba. God bless you.

SPEAKER_15 2:32:06

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_16 2:32:08

I'm taking the last two calls, colleagues. Thank you very much. Um, today was people's platform, it was your platform. I earlier gave my views, alerting you to um the elections that are due. Uh, and uh to those that uh doubting about the late president, here is uh Madam Gutfried Schmaili.

SPEAKER_23 2:32:32

I traveled to South Africa a day after the president died, and uh I can say with all my heart, truthfully, that I have had the opportunity to see the body, to see the body, yes. So it is total lie, it is human to even think that maybe somebody is taking it. No, our former president is gone and he has been lying in the mock for nine months, it is so unfortunate. I don't know who we have become, even as a people, how we the people of Zambia have been able to accept such a situation, and we have to understand that there are implications keeping a person embarrassed. What does it mean? And especially one who had the key to the nation, who ruled the nation for seven years, who did so much in the nation, you know, the inhuman treatment of the widow and the children.

SPEAKER_16 2:33:50

Uh call us, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Mr. Muewa, good day, my dear brother. Make your contributions quickly.

SPEAKER_09 2:34:07

Yeah, thank you so much. Um I think every everyone, every owner on this program is hoping for for a better zombie. No, the number seven thousand votes by the Mathan that the Marobots. I don't know the Marobot. From my decreasing seven thousand ratio at five point four eight percent. So definitely if you look at the poll. Yeah, must be uh the never in the public. There were a little um uh uh an honest in that but in those votes. And then the other thing is the that uh uh I've also got concerned with the some of the liberations you've made on the program in regards to giving notice to the um uh before holding a convention, you have to get a notice of 30 days to the register of service. Uh of course, you uh you there's a bit of consolation that maybe Nabalukendi Tamalana. But uh if it is something that is uh favoring them, that's what they follow. If it should be favoring. So but uh for me, Democratic, it is a moment to scrutinize the to scrutinize the political parties that are now in the Pamoz alliance. Those political parties in the Palmose Alliance have they complied with the patients that are needed before they can before they can participate in the general elections. So if there are those political parties in the Palmose Alliance, you never should have age to do that to to quickly go and hold their convention so that we can have even special purpose vehicles should be able to qualify for for incoming uh elections. And then the um colour in mocking for me. I think it is a concept that is drawn from the founding part of this nation with this open item in the Pamos in the T Mau. The convention because of presidential elections, MPM. The convention must be held so fast because the electrical end, but you have to go to the 15th of number. Now imagine we we we we are still in this the issues a convention, meanwhile that we start adopting a current as he stuck a doc demasium peace and so on and so forth. So among activities are driving among documents, meaning that because of the same convention. So it's a lot of things that are being delayed. So I hope with a pronouncement that was made today by the party president, uh Mr. Given that was a next four days we are going to hold the convention. Let us hold it into those four days because we still have a little work, a little work to do. And then Mamma, the other thing that I want to talk about is the death of uh this is the UPN D. It is something that is saddening me, especially when it comes to professionalism and money. This time around people are more preoccupied to making money than to fight for their country. Look at the dedication that you're putting in the politics of your country. Okay, you're using your profession to add the difference, or to say to I like people to say there's also the kind of life which is good when when you direct genuine literature, you're using your generalism profession to to to to work for your country. So we still have uh a lot of meet houses in the country. Like the answer that you give to KBN TV. What the is the KBN's contribution to the struggle to free this country? If they are just anchored on making money, what about the their country? What are they doing to reparate their country from these shocks that the UPN government has brought us into? It doesn't take a political party, it takes each and every individual to play a part to the change that they want to see in their country. Now, PND they would want to do anything possible to secure their victory in in August this year, including the dream of Mariah by Etigo. By even a simple thing, if we can write UPND five years, the PFU under Edith Warung, 755 years from 2016 to 2021. Now from 2021 to 2026, UPND, they have done literally nothing by UPND. The only thing that they've brought is poverty, and yet they continue to torment the strip of Educarung for seven years. Why did the government declare seven days of national money for somebody who did that? This kind of politics, I don't know what kind of politics it is, but this is not the Zambia that we want. We want the Zambia where we we want to go back to having country. So the back of having country in this particular moment, whoever you are, use the profession to reparate this country, and to I'm a politician, especially from the opposition, it doesn't take one individual to build a country, it takes a group. So within the opposition, especially in the PF, let us look at leaders who are democratic, leaders who have demonstrated that they are democratic, even in their own political parties. So that as we go towards our elections, we need not to make the same mistake that we made in 2021. Somebody whom we didn't even understand so well. So it's something that is beyond money. You know, more politicians having my branches.

SPEAKER_16 2:43:16

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you. Let me take two of I think these will be the last two callers. Aro caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_26 2:43:32

This is Alfred calling from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_16 2:43:35

Alfred, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_26 2:43:42

Uh I can talk about anything.

SPEAKER_16 2:43:46

Thank you.

unknown 2:43:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_26 2:43:49

I just want to talk about how Brand Montreal became popular because they're not education among us as the citizens to say no. Uh if you remember that people to show interest to say they want to take the leadership of the year, among the among you the nine, among the nine years. And uh you know, you big big politicians, you think like uh you know campaign, one book, and no, no, no, no. The real campaign which happens among us ourselves, we can have the family, and I tweak as Buddhism, and I tweak. Okay, that's what real politics or real campaigns now happens for individual, uh I mean political leaders. So when they showed interest, we started looking among all of you questions interest, and to say, and and that's way back in 2022, right? Somewhere there. And we picked on a program because we're asking ourselves who is going to take care of now here before even we thought of DC or left. And we started campaigning for reporter from 2022. And waiting now to start going around and meeting the PF strategy. We had good intentions. We didn't know that there are some sufferers people who have behind him, trying to use him to gain some political marriage, or trying to come out in politics like now Bambiwa SG. I'm very disappointed and I'm very let me show my disappointment to Honorable George Sang. Because Honorable George Sangha is supposed to be a Ricochet person, if I'm not mistaken. And if our Nikotia person is now calling himself the chief advisor of our brand mundui, an advisor on a brand mundui uh in such a manner, I'm very disappointed uh disappointed. So he gained this popularity, not on his own, because some of us were campaigning for him since 2022. Honorable even on a just came to show interest in 2025. So they are new in the game technically. So this is the popularity which Bran Mud has. And of course he has got some capacity in terms of resources and has been going around since and he has been spending this about here. So if he doesn't want to come back, we are going to decamp him. I know he has got resources and he let me conquer with my the my my my brother just from calling to say in the Rama wandershow. And he's doing that. Right now, if you invite to invite people to follow him, to join his BMW, whatever, he'll give you a shopping voucher. So let me and my fellow PF members don't lose hope. It's clear that one about he doesn't want to come back because those that have got Erizum Manzimba is misleading him. And others who have got a bad standing in the party. Some of us are still giving us a bad memory like to have SJ. We are going to decamp. If it means losing to H H let it be. So we can't have treasure as leaders, leaders rising through insubordination, then we support them. No. Some of us who have been supporting are very so disappointed together with my colleague. He was supposed to do the right thing. We told him. This impatience is not going to take you anywhere. Yeah. Just have patience. You have any ground amongst the structures. You are going to make it just a convention. Just have some patience, eh? But there are some unstructured people who pushing him behind the scene. And here we are now. So don't worry. We are going to campaign for whoever the party is going to choose. Within the four days, as the directive which has come from the uh party president. So take heart, Zambian. If it's going to give you a leader, don't continue to be cheated by those abatusanguki sanguka. Away.

SPEAKER_16 2:48:20

Thank you very much. I think that um uh marks the end of our broadcast today. Thank you all for joining us. And this was People's Forum. This is where you air your views. But I started the program on the premise that the electoral process to elect a new president and the new government has literally started in the end that the delimitation process is coming to an end. There'll be a new announcement that there'll be 225, 226 uh new uh uh total that should be elected as constituents because they are adding 70 to the current 156. So there'll be 226. There'll be other processes, I think there's another 40 or so that will come through a process of mixed uh member proportion where better responsibilities youth and women will be included on the 15th April. Present your candidates have to take to easy their their their supporters hundred from each province. There will be nominations the following month in May for uh for the president, uh for members of parliament, for mayors, council chairperson, and councillors. Is your party ready? Is your party ready? If they adopted candidates, you know the 226 constituencies and are they ready to monitor 12,150 policy people to man that vote the opposition must get serious. This was the purpose of our debate today. We also talked about conventions and conferences, and the leaders in the opposition that are ready. We highlighted a matter where I've received communication. I invited Charles Longway to this broadcast. Charles petitioned President Longo, and uh in 2016 he also petitioned uh judges who felt who he felt didn't uh you know do a judicial responsibility in 2016. In 2021, he was among petitioners together with John Power and who felt that President Galongo was not talking about a member of the UPND uh raised very fundamental issues that the UPND has not about uh uh a general conference and going into elections with an illegal leader asked the party to host a general conference. We don't know if this now will be legal because it's supposed to have started at grassroots level, where they get from constituency, district, province, and then they elect the national management committee and the president. Uh some UPN failure says, just restrict yourself to PF. No, we cannot. That's why we are discussing everyone, whether it's Harry Kalawa, Bran Mundwile, or or Given Uvinda, or Makebizulu, or uh Dr. Fred Membe. The point is, these are leaders that might become your leaders, superintend over the welfare of the country, and our laws have provided for for what they need to do. As we stand today, President Again De Chilema is not eligible to stand as president uh of our country because he has not fulfilled that process. There are some few days remaining. We hope that during this process they will hold a credible election that will make him eligible. So look out, I think on Wednesday, uh Mr. Charles Longway, who is a UPND member and is raising these critical issues in the party. This is a media platform. Anyone is coming doesn't belong to PF, like I have emphasized all the time, it's an independent media organization, even as a newspaper, and uh you know it as a podcast, and we pursue national issues from that vantage point. This person who has offended the country today you know it's been running football on its pandemic um to be a country. A lot of people have ignored him. Galungo wanted to use vile things under normal circumstances. But to arrest people who do nothing to, in my view, Crown TV made a terrible professional mistake by hosting someone with such dangerous conspiracy theories and thrust them before a national audience that was careless. As a media organization, you have to scrutinize what you can bring to the country. Like and you were Kitty Sengoma was asking why did President of the late president as well as he died? Why did he declare a period of national mourning up to seven days? Why did President Terramaposa of South Africa start that uh he regretted the death of the late president, especially that you had been helping him during the six-month stay in South Africa, that his office had extended help to President Lungo? Why would he say that? Why would he send a minister to the funeral home of the late president? Why would doctors in South Africa qualified? They're not like your Takataka doctors from a premium hospital declare that the president had died and proceed to sign on those documents. Why did President Taka Indechama declare seven days of national mourning? Uh why are we here to have a media organization present this madman with his conspiracy theories that are not rooted in fact or in truth and give him the glare of the national opinion national audience? I think we are very careless how that the police can arrest. If there are times when you need to arrest, it's when people do offensive things like this because they have capacity to destroy capacity to incite supporters to rise against the government. So the police must be very careful and must pursue things like this Ken Mutumba or UPND. Otherwise, we'll have no choice but to assume that President Takainde Kuma attempt because he is a member and is pursuing a city chiwiungi under the UPND. If they do nothing, we'll assume President Dakainde Chilema is behind it. What would be your assumption? God bless you, Muwantuwa Kwaleta, and we'll see you uh uh uh uh I think on Tuesday tomorrow. I've got a commitment to not broadcast, and on Wednesday, when we have um Charles Longway from the UPND to discuss his push for a conference in the UPND.

SPEAKER_23 2:55:49

I traveled to South Africa a day after the president died, and uh I can say with all my heart.