HOSTING CHARLES LONGWE

LIVE NOW; Charles Longwe attest that the UPND may NOT hold a constitutional intra-party conference in accordance and stipulated  in the Party Constitution 

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SPEAKER_12 0:57

Okay, Dear, you are. I think we are good to go now. Please tell me in the comments if we are okay. There's been a huge, huge interruption, but I think now we are okay. Tell me in the comments if we are okay. We are going to stop. And let me bring in Charles quickly to begin to introduce themselves as I begin to resolve the issue of the background. Charles, welcome to the program and thank you very much for the sacrifice. And thank you for the patience.

SPEAKER_14 2:14

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_12 2:23

Yes, we can hear you very clearly. We can hear you very clearly. Charles, we are already let, as I'm sorting out these matters in the background to circulate the broadcast, begin to tell us who is Charles Long, who the entire country is discussing right now.

SPEAKER_16 2:44

Emmanuel, who tells you that the whole country is talking about Charles Long? You are too far to know what we are discussing in the manual. Emmanuel, in Zambia, we have our own issues. I tend to disagree. Yes, if you say that there is something happening or growing into our fail, of late we've been talking about the convention and things around that. But for the ordinary Zambians, they are getting by with their business, as they always do, hard-working people who sacrifice a lot for this country on a day-to-day basis. So I don't personally see that what we are doing is disturbing them or causing them to spend a lot of time listening to us, but the politicians, yes. But this is an election here, and uh it's a comp it's the time for competition. So we're in this game, the players, both on the opposition side and on the ruling side, looking at the upcoming elections, maybe talking a lot about what's going on now in the UPNB.

SPEAKER_12 4:20

Um briefly, Charles, briefly, just tell us. Many people have been surprised by your action and will go in detail about the action that you've taken. But just briefly, tell us the actions that you've taken in the past. So you've got that you've taken the action to demonstrate an expensive and um they might doubt your loyalty to the party. Just walk us through the issues that you've done with the previous government as a UPND member.

SPEAKER_16 5:10

Well, just to correct you, it's not that I took action again in the court against the late president, uh Dr. Ediga Chagwalongu, my solution. It was actually in 2021. But in 2026, again I took the it's not 2026, it's now, but in 2016, I did take uh the justices, you know, after that 14-day judgment against us, which they ruled against us and our candidates uh the president who and the running at GBM. I'm one of those who petitioned uh the Judicial Complex Commission. I'll chatter, you see, um there are different ways in which we participate in governance. Some maybe like going around blackest in the night, you know, Chimoela and so forth. Maybe that's not my portion. I'll tell you the first time I ever took action against a specific leader. He's a member of the TF. It's my own MP, June Kapac. I think it was 2009 or 2008 that I was that time in my debt for constituency. I took her on her decision not to attend the National Constitutional Conference against the law. At the time, I'd clearly stated that all members of parliament, though the decision was made by the PA, I felt that she was bound by the laws and should respect the law. You know, these are lawmakers, they should be the first to respect the law. We can't decide lawlessness. So as early as maybe 2010, 29 days about my activism in these things has been one of the ways in which I participate. You can ask uh Justice umenga, palonda, and I don't process that is in person, I deal with the issue at hand, and I don't punch it. I do of research before I engage. My own MP uh calls me gentlemen, yeah, from government when I position that it you know we have a culture, allow me. We have a culture where when you elect leaders, they think they are bossing. I don't buy that story, they should be accountable to those who elect them, and my own LP in the name of incapacity, call me and break a me. I laughed it off, and we went about our business. I eventually petitioned parliament to have a motion on the parliament on the parliament director to discuss this thing. That's what's under the case. In other words, I don't like to see in my realm or in my sphere something which I can do something about. I just don't I just I you know let me put it like this. The constitution cannot defend itself, the laws which we have cannot defend themselves or afford themselves. It requires us to be diligent as citizens. Whether we are in the ruling party or whether we're in the opposition, it is encompassed and as citizens who are involved in that particular grouping to ensure that accountability is there. I'm a member of the UPND. I have been a member from 20 to 1. I support the fact. Everyone knows me in UPNB. They know me. I can tell you, I don't even need that's why I didn't even need to respond to what this uh media person was talking about. Ask France on Hamas, ask everyone, ask each other, the one who goes in the body that's from Benjamin, ask anyone at the third house next to Haka In the Him, they will tell you who child long with you. I'm a committed member of the UPNB. Throughout this time, and I only asked one question when are we going to have a conversation about the Gamble Barra? Look the constitution of Lambia.

SPEAKER_12 9:57

Just coming to that, uh Charles. I think you you have been writing letters to the secretariat uh about the state of the party. You've expressed that uh the party may not be compliant with the laws of our country with uh its founding documents with the respector of society. What is the current state of the party and what has been your grievance that you've been raising just to update the audience?

SPEAKER_16 10:28

I will react now that I have taken this step to because those are the things which are in our documents which are passed. So I'll not devour into those issues again. Those are in public domain, whatever I was doing, I did it in the open. The letters we have said what you are trying to do to get the leadership to respond and address and then you see Immanuel, I accepted you to come on your show. You might be having surprised why is this UPND member accepted to come on my show. Imagine I come on your show with a warning. This action reflects in the PS just look at what we have deposed in that court and see whether you as PS a little hold of convention. This action, we are threat that the political parties in Zambia have taken people for granted. You in the PS, you are now clamoring around, saying you are going to hold a convention. Where are you getting the baby? When was your last provincial assembly? When was your last district assembly? When was your last constituent assembly? You you have lost connection with the people. All you want is to go for the presidency, doesn't matter. The structure. This year, if you don't hold regular elections in your structure, mark my way. There is article 1524, and it's not only against the UPND this time. Look at yourself. Let's be fair.

unknown 13:13

Correct.

SPEAKER_16 13:14

These people in the structure mean something. This year, there will be no Goma candidate. There will be no Gonga candidate. Whether they are jumping on what they are calling BMX, I call that the ching again. It won't happen. All of you, it's not this call, it's not only for UPND, it's for everyone. Look at yourselves as a leader. Be you know, be honest with your electorate. You are all rushing, get wrong for the president. Why don't you sell your members from the grassroots? That's what I'm asking for in the UPND. In Jabuma, we elected people years ago. We're going to another thing. What mandates do we carry? That's all I'm asking. Now, if anyone else is not asking this question, it's not my fault. I belong to the UPND. I can end the HM. Is my friend? Everyone who knows the Islam and die a bad. But when the flow has been trapped, I reached out to the leadership. So what I reached now is like everything else. When you fail to resolve an issue, you move to the next level. So that's where we are. In this country, introspect, this heightened desire for office is not right. You are not saving the people down there. That's all I'm saying. I've been a member of the UPM for all this time. You can go to the secretary, not even once our vice president's council, mayor or MP. I've been having sources to do that. I have not done it. But I save my participatory every time. And so today when I ask the right questions or they call them the wrong questions, they call me this and that. No, that's up to me. But I've served this party of my job. And we have been lawful BBA. Where there are gaps, we have demonstrated and we expected to correct. But when there is impunity, what can we do? We can condone law. And the same thing will be each and every political party this year. I say this to the people.

SPEAKER_12 16:21

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Charles. The UPND, um you know, Max Moore responded to your doubted question of the past. I know the matter is now moved to court, but we can we can speak on the periphery, especially the response from Max Moore, who challenged you and said they cannot the elections um even even next year.

SPEAKER_16 17:30

Um Ambassador, Mark and I have a history. I'll tell you. When I was the youth chair person in the UPNB, I acted for a good three years because Frank Tay, who is now cabinet minister and transport, uh, I think as Ministry of Transport, he resigned and joined MM. I was his deputy and I took over for a good three years. During that time, I visited Ulza Regis with my good friends Antonio Manza and San Coskawanza, who are his cool friends. Now, the young man, uh, I don't think those were aware coming to this now. I know Mark. The man died come a little. There is no way he could be saying what he said about me, as if he doesn't even know the person he's talking about. So I honestly leave that there. The response to me is very clear. It's in black and white. My position is in black and white, and it's in court. That will be adjudicated upon. My position I've made very clear to everyone in the party, starting from the president whom I respect. I reached out when I wrote a letter to the secondary general. There was no movement. I you see, I I I come from a Christian background. All right, we don't correct Apua, and we just we don't want to catch, you know, Allah Fiash. Go to a bell of teaching. I can't do something at the end of the 48th hour, and I wasn't going to go to court if I wasn't sure that the president had been made aware of what was happening. So I reached out through my good friend Lebanon to ensure that the president was aware of the dangers at the secretary. I respect the president, he is my president, but the issue is considering we can postpone a convention. My answer said I've been black and it's not possible. We can't. But I could just say this on the directory are pleased. There is no organ in the party which is imposed with a mandate to desire or extend any. What I was afraid of. Can you imagine if what they are calling my action being against UPND? What if this was done by innovative opposition people? Would they have even provided a solution? They would have just gone for the throat of the party. In fact, I can tell you what the opposition would have done. They would have waited for us to file. That is why, as the law in Gambia, I'm only a show today, and saying, I don't want to move the court in terms of Article 52 for against any political party. Because I certainly will. Any person who has located that, we know what is happening in citizen system, we know what's happening in FCD, we know what's happening in PS. If you don't go back to the subject, Article 60 will come into play. You should understand that there is a history, and this starts in 2016. Article 1, the transition, which in Article 18 of that talks about political party being transformed in a way now to statutory body. This political party, it's it's an irony, you know. Mr. Mamba, let me discuss this because it's important. These are people need to understand something. But uh you know, I don't like being ruled by deception. People here, these so-called political parties don't want to do what the constitution has said. When article 60 was brought into play, it also made a prescription that we should institute and prescribe a political party's big. Nobody talks about it. For five years, please didn't do it. For five years now, this India brought them. This legislation we are using under the Society Act is not for political parties. The constitution itself describes what it envisages in our time. It envisages that political parties will be like statutory bodies, and even to an extent that they will be funded so that they can be accountable. Where is that necessary? This time they are politics, for example, we don't know. This guy is running around moving around and saying they have managed to campaign. Where are they getting it from? That's an issue. So this game will keep on playing. This year, not under my own. Move the court, constitutional court, in 2021. Along with line, we have no course of action. I think this time we have the course of action. Any political party which will not go to the structure and here to view the candidate. Don't say we didn't want you. I don't tell people that oh, there is this. No, you know, it's like a prophetic code for those of you who are Christians, you understand it. It's a warning. And when you want political party, go back to your structure. Go back to your structure, respect those branches, respect those constituents, your officials are your and if it's the money you don't have, quickly run for parliament. Have a fight by the constitution will find political parties if you're going to be accountable, don't be hiding money in your bedroom. No, I'm saying you're each people. What is that political party finding? We are tired of this game. This time around, if you don't, don't say we didn't want you. I told the UPN, respond, and I was not blacking. Call my black opposition. We should love our country more than our political party. Zambia is political party second. It's a vehicle. Zambia first. Nobody will defend this constitution. I feel sad that the to see John Samuel step out from his offense and I'm in politics to see him come to say there is literally no regard of the rule of law. And if we are not there. And if my friends want me to be candidate, I've never been a candidate in any constituent. I've never been a candidate. I love my church. I support candidates. Number one person I support in this country when it comes to elections, every five years, it has this with boldness and he saw it. Any time midnight they will go, we only vote for happening. So, ladies and gentlemen, federal country. Who loves it more than their political parties? The constitution and democracy does not defend yourself. It requires men and women. People who pray that we have a peaceful election. No, no, you must write votes. You don't pray for votes. You must be like you go out and register. That's how you do it. I want the gangers to hear me very well. This business of shooting your gangbash to subordinate will not fail. You are seen in our party that don't hear you. You know, I'm back at that. Yes. I have a history, and I'm a student of politics from the best. I can tell you if you want to know who I have set you and be here and you have a place to take, call give and lower. Ask him who is child's longer. They'll tell you. And HS didn't even know it's hard. It's me who introduced them. So I've been around this business for a long time, but I'm fed up to see how sure we are being shortchanged at this hour. By leaders who do not want to uphold the rule of law. Respect the branches. Go back to the branches. Go back to the constituents. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_12 28:19

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, and dear citizens and fellow Zambians, we are hosting Charles Long, who has been a longtime member of the UPND. He's been urging the party to go to conference. He has cited Article 60 of the Republican constitution that requires that political parties go to general conference. General Congress or convention or whatever you call it. And the UPND have a very elaborate outline structure in which they are supposed to start from the bottom from political management committees right up to the top. And along with the court, we are even now fearing that the UPN, we're not even a time to hold the Constitutional General Congress as prescribed in their books. That they are taken in the court that they apply to many political parties. Because if they do start, they will not be allowed to start. Their candidates will not be allowed to start. Already expressed the fact that one part of the UPND may not have a credible electron because of what the party statute provides. Before we live political parties. Because we are tolerating a lot of things in our political parties. And they don't have a unconstitutional courteous very strongly to say we can't deal with it because now the matter is in court. But he has given a warning to all political parties and all political players that it's not just the UPND that must abide by Article 54 and Article 60 and their own party constitution. You gave a warning to the PF, to the FDD, and others. You think that the conference they've held or they're about to hold are not credible.

SPEAKER_15 30:45

Those are the same ceremonies, uh, what they call nomination of candidates.

SPEAKER_16 30:57

Read the statute. Read the statute. You know, this is deregated authority. It starts from somewhere. But then this knows now. The party is the branches. That's where I do. The branches, that's the fact. In other words, those are the people. So maybe you start to convey and you have this list of officials just to show vote that you have. You can just make a please. No, no, no. Those people then should also elect their own leader. But I'll tell you one thing. I know why people don't do that. People fear elections. It's time to account. You have to be accountable to the electorate. So you do shortcut. You don't want people to judge your performance. You want to escape postponing a convention so that you can choose amongst yourself who the candidates shall be. But you want to be MCC or MMC as we have it in the UPNC, so that you can be the one who chooses the candidate and your positions are secure. You first get authority from the branches. You see, a few politics very well from uh Michael Shakespeare, Minister of the SP and Soka. Yeah, I said, and in uh jokes that we said, you want to come. We learned that politics is very fast. I've just wanted which is part of the ambassador. Our president, the late Anderson Majorca, died in convention. He was prayed. My left mumba was telling you the story where I was listed in my house. He was and he gave a lecture for one house and opened my mind what to what party mobilization was all about. He was talking to the Alexa Mumba, and I was listening in as the young man. He said, Let's democracy. And this is what I'm saying, you can ask electron. Democracy needs to be managed. It's young in the danger. We are doing it for these young children. We need to go through these processes. And I was listening. Now he died in that path. So I know that our father laid the foundation for us to follow. Now, if it's just for convenience that you are you are popular, if you are popular, tell you popularity. What's your problem? If you are popular, just go to the post. You can't sneak in into leadership. It is important that the Indian people just looking at these your so-called leader in light of what the statute says. Honestly, look, is this the standard we have set for ourselves? No. What does it say? What's the indicate? When I see, I'll tell you one thing which I made. I watch in Parliament. They speak as dancing. Ah, name is a dancing thing. I said, How can this be? How? On the floor of balance. How can it be? I can't defend such things. I can't. I mean be quiet. I mean, if you give me a moment to speak, I'll speak. I can't defend that thing. Speaker. He said, can I be nothing? Like a judge in a court. Should be neutral. All her actions should show our value. We can dance. It should be integrity. Perfect, you know. You have to look at the perception. What does that show? It shows partisanship. A speaker should not be partisan. So for me, she falls below the standard. She's bad. Because you can't show your partisanship. I know she's a member of our party, but that's asked we should examine and say, is this what is supposed to happen? Should reflect our values of that high office. I can tell you, I'm always proud when I see many. How she conducts herself in the house. How the president carries himself in that officer. Don't you think that? That time when he's on the stage, sometimes he's UPND party president. So you know, you know how politics. But when he's carrying himself in the office as Republican president, I'm always right. We as the Zambian people should look at this leader and say, the church should say and bring them to our house. So as the Zambian people, I'm speaking to you today, come out of your Kakum. These leaders who are saying they want to be your leader. Where did they get the authority from? This business of being candidates is the biggest problem. You are a school teacher, you are a businessman, you are this, you are doing your own thing. Then when it's election years, you want to be a candidate. Can you be a priest like that? You want to be in the safety space. You just don't come from the top of the mountain. And descend and become a thank you.

SPEAKER_12 38:20

Thank you very much, Mr. Charles Longwe. I'll take a few calls. Ladies and gentlemen, share the broadcast. We are hosting a senior member of the UPND, Charles Longwe. He has raised issues about his own party. He wants the party to go to conference. Now, even if the party may not hold a constitutional conference. He has taken matters to court because after several letters the Secretariat Longwe has decided to take a court. And it says this is the code, not just the UPND. This is the standard of the law and it applies to all political parties. And as we open the four lines, if you have any question or contribution to child, be respectful. Respect our guests. The calendar for the national Italian on the 15th. On the 15th of April. Then on between the 15th and 2015, they will be nominated mayor. They will be nominated for parliamentarians council, cancelled mayor and president. They will be nominated during that period. Again, the requirements of ATCO 50 and ATCO 50 for kicking. And this is what Charles is a political party. That can you give us leaders that have been approved in their own structures as prescribed by the law? Let's take the call, Charles. Let's hear what the country is saying.

SPEAKER_06 40:23

I don't know whether my name is Alex.

SPEAKER_12 40:25

Alex, make your contributions quickly.

SPEAKER_06 40:28

Whether it's a question or a concern?

SPEAKER_12 40:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 40:34

Thank you for applying your comment on this program and bringing the issues that matters more. The party that you belong to for a long time is quite um we buy the code from my body. There was a lot of wrongdoings where the formula was.

SPEAKER_12 41:16

Alex, Alex, Alex, the topic that uh Mr. Law has brought it.

SPEAKER_06 41:30

Do you understand what people follow the law? What you are brought up to do something that is ordered in command and political party. Do you think to do the right to go to a council?

SPEAKER_12 41:55

Oh, okay. No, I get it. He's asking if it is possible for President to respect the party constitution, if there are even issues about him respecting the Republican constitution. I think Charles got that. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_19 42:16

That is me, Ramwamba.

SPEAKER_12 42:18

Who is calling?

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Uh your brother.

SPEAKER_12 42:25

Oh, Mr. Kafimbi from Australia. Yes, my brother, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_19 42:30

Yes. Okay. Um very short history. You know, in Japan there was one that was called the capitalism. So my mystery was a very valuable.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

Because there's a lot of bravery to challenge these these people, they win, they uh they behave. You know, so we can have all in all in what so uh I think you can explain.

SPEAKER_12 43:17

Thank you. Charles is shocked by your bravery and is asking. Is it a kamikaze? Actually, I think you know who the kamikaze are from Japan. He says your bravery reaches that level, but you will answer. Yes, Kaola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions. Thank you very much, thank you very much. I think he has put it together. Thank you. Alakola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_09 45:26

Thank you, Ambassador Mwamba. This is Sinyangwe Danny. I'm calling you from Canada. I just want to say thank you. We need more patriotic, brave Zambians like you. And I hope Avantuale Muleanda. Actually, you love UPND more than more people that pretend to love the party. In everything that we do in this world, Tufuyatule Kokama Fundo, and I hope other people can be brave like you nave in Abalandi Chin Kaleesari Mpala. Ambassador Mamba, we are always blessed to listen to you. God bless you always. Thank you.

SPEAKER_12 46:08

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Let's just take about two more calls, then we allow Charles Longo to answer. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Oh, Father Donosco from from Italy. Yes, yes, Father. Make your contribution. I'm hosting Charles Longway, senior UPND member, who's uh challenged his own party.

SPEAKER_08 46:44

Thank you so much. I am uh literally shocked to mention. Um uh I'm I'm shocked. I'm shocked in a positive uh manner, and uh I absolutely would like to thank you uh Mr. Charles Longway, and I think I would like also to thank you very well uh Ambassador Mwamba for bringing this gentleman on this platform. I'm shocked because it's the first time that I can somebody speaking and probably not using Mingal at all. Um I I appreciate I thank him so much. I have only one question. Uh if uh the contribution that Mr. Charles, I have understood so genuine. I have a question for Mr. Charles as well. Um yesterday, Dr. Chomba Kambuivi was also questioning the PF party today. Uh a genuine intraparty lecture. So I put now the words of uh Dr. Chomba Kambuini Questioning the PF, please. Can you hold a genuine intraparty convention so that we go to the WMP and we present with them a genuine election? I am asking the UPND to hold a genuine conference or election, interparty elections are predicted in the law. My question now to what you asked me to do. But how do you know what has happened to the PF party? At the moment, the particular point which I reckon to be the biggest party in Zambia. But uh what the constant judgments are judge to affirm and put a signature and the kids. We don't know what is happening and for you. If the PF is held by the constant judgment of the job, so that the PF now can go to the convention and do the right thing. So what is your word on this matter? Well, if you give the political party, the political financial party has been holding for what we don't know when that counts to judgment is going to be given. The judges are going to give the key of president with mouth for now and the Secretary General Power. Um the office office leaders at the um um uh at the officers of do you think the P of the case to answer in this case when their case has been held up by um those in authority? Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_12 50:15

Okay, I guess he's saying would your matter be heard? That is quite strong. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution to Chows.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Hello, good evening. Uh Bastard.

SPEAKER_12 50:30

Good evening.

SPEAKER_00 50:31

This is uh MK6. I'm Jovi.

SPEAKER_12 50:34

Yes, MK6.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

Yeah, sorry, it's been a long, long time since I called in. I can't see your eyes on Facebook. I don't know why. I can only follow it on uh TikTok. So just a quick one. I just want to understand, who I don't know him personally, but uh he has taken a very old stance, and uh it takes a moment to do what he has done against the UPND because we all know the UPND state for apartheid, and uh just wants to put you on your back and also warn you at the same time that maybe you need to have four eyes now because this party is lost. So to come to his point, I just want to add on a voice. Um I think is it twenty zero six when the H took over UPND? If I'm um if I'm um I'm right, but um 2006. Are you to say UPND has no other person who wanted to be a president apart from him, and uh as a country, we can learn something from uh party uh elections or party democracy that UPN or no respect for democracy at all. You cannot force one person from 2006 until 2021. What special values does HH have that no one else in the UPND had for us, so to speak? So, Vatals, thank you so much. EMV, I think we can get more notes on the sidelines. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_12 52:34

Thank you, thank you. Let me check the last two callers and we reverse to Charles. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Yes, yes, yes, Quinpumi. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_11 52:46

Okay, yes, thank you, sir. Uh, welcome by Charles Longwe. We are honored to have you hats off to you for showing such bravery and courage to come and talk again with your own political party where we have seen the last four years of this political party, you people can never um attempt or till the truth. So uh my contribution is I wish I proved that many people new people can take your standard and stand on the truth. And I also want to say that you know, um that one was still about the because we have failed to tell the president you know, it's not only about the presidential office, it's all types of people have to be elected. So I feel like the UPND members were doing for even uh comments that we want to do. But the the question I have is will the judiciary or they even disqualify UPND or they fail to hold the convention. Thank you.

SPEAKER_12 54:08

Thank you very much. The last caller, then I bring Chow's. Hello, caller. We might take another set of round of questions, but you are the last caller. Quickly tell us your name and where you're calling us from, and um make your contribution or request to Chow's uh long way.

SPEAKER_04 54:24

Hello, Ambassador Manda. This is my name Les.

SPEAKER_12 54:28

Name Less, make your contribution or question.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

Yes, please. Yeah, no, nothing. I don't have much to say. I just want to thank Malone for being a concerned citizen who was always uh happy in our country. You know, it takes a few like him to come publicly and talk to the nation, talk to everybody. I really thank you so much. Yeah, because it's so courageous. And I should say that the event took Valela Uvaletare Mikala Ule. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_12 55:12

Thank you very much. Charles, let me bring you on the report. And you stood out to speak. I think you explained that Zambians must love the part the country more than they love wherever they belong. First, they must love the country more. But you had the questions. Please respond to both questions and contributions.

SPEAKER_14 55:45

Thank you. Thank you very much, Ambassador. Um see, I am a Zambia. Like most of your audience, they love this country. Sometimes we don't know how to express it. Sometimes there is a lot of frustration in our heart.

SPEAKER_16 56:05

And with leadership, you know, I can tell you that there are days when we are under the yoke of the PF cadaver. We are very frustrated. But uh, I'll tell you one thing. Do right. And we will commend it. There is a way to criticize leadership. That's what I believe on that. Let me tell you something. I will not disrespect the leadership. Just because I think I'm right. I'll make my position known to them respectful. I'll challenge their decisions, possibly, and I have to see I've gone up to the court. I don't expect not even I don't even lose it. No. John Sangwa. You know uh Johnny Jensen. Is it Muel? Musa Mwen. Yes. You know, those to me are my example. Uh what you are coming. But maybe at the back is more so I understand something. Put your point across. There's no need to decide how big their heads. Just talk about the outcome of what is in the head which you don't like. That is their character. Criticize their decision. You are calling my breath. In the midst of the time when they used to say they appear to cut that, they'll do this, they will do this, I myself. Went before the constitutional court. And took an action against the campaign. Against those people. One thing which I'll just have learned, having been in politics for this long. I'm not interested in making a name for myself. I just want to do what is right. Now, if what I'm doing is talking about that's something else, that's public perception. Just do what is right, respect those in authority. Be strong about your history. We have the best examples. You know, we should learn from those who have done before us. We have to feel it's different to me. That's my own fact. You can't be surprised. I'll give the chapter and the look at the time. They do the context of my and I do it. That's how confident I am that I'm not doing anything wrong. If I've done anything wrong, if I go to the patient, just not a discussion. What does it mean? That I don't want to reconvention. What do we need to learn as a people is to go exist. You know, to speak to power and speak it strongly, and speak in a polite manner. And go existence. That's what I would say about that. So I'm not a social vision. No, no, no, I'm not in that. I have the beauty tomorrow. So I'm not thinking of that anytime soon. Listen, I am here telling you. I have no fear. It might be of a good magnitude. You know my presentation like saying, which is the better, which is the better. I have every confidence that we have to be. We have moved from joking. Unless we want to search for this excuse. I have our court. So please, please search for this time. I saw, you know, yeah, you love politics. But there is a certain politics I don't like. And I'll come to now the tissues which appear. I left and is worried about the process in the courts and so forth and so forth. If you have made the knowledge within the last few days, I came on the feeling addressing this issue. Even from our own point of fact, we are saying I'm a hard gang. This notion that knows that they can just move out of perception on their own. They have to be sponsored. Who can both have it? They have to be bought to do something like this. All these stories they are making is because they don't know. Can you give you the man who can take it to do? If it was about me, I would have got to age. And just make it because that's what I call it. You should be able to respect your reader. And when you give that, this that respects you. And watch that gives you reader. Disclear, give me to read. And discuss. How can you reconcile? You decide yourself. Let me deal with the issue in the court. Now we have the fact. On the other side, he did that he didn't hold the convention. That convention which he felt was fixed. Now he's bouncing around as the party present and taking the game. So which is which? If you are asking it for my court, it's not a critical business. That country judgment is just a waste of time. You know, this is the proof that is the political fact. You know, I'll take it, I'll speak to you because you're like that. I'll take it to the truth. In politics, this is the game, it's a competition of ideas. Mouse was moved by whatever reason. And now I'm choking. And somebody took advantage. They took the party from a room. Now speak to him in Jumbo Karakwa. What is happening in Piscipline in the ramp? There is a lot of indiscipline among you in peace. That's what's happening. And you believe the story that you be in the time. No, you want people and believe people pass. And they want people to do wrong things to get you. Now we got to the same thing. But I would say it is wrong. You see, we are rules. When you engage in the game, you play according to the rules. Not like the respect to rules. What if they want to get something? And that's the chapter because we can confirm the reason I have that. People want to break the rules to get, you know, they want to justify. I do anything.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:30

That's a justified guy. You should play according to the roots.

SPEAKER_16 1:04:32

You know why I respect you? Because I was shooting that just an ordinary beam. I knew that I checked around, I saw an opportunity to join a convention. I pre-qualified, and I was there. But now people just want to dance around and become. Why do you need this judgment? I'm looking at the concept of judgment now in a mumburiana and other. Because the next thing is now another confession because it's a president. No, come on. This thing is a fear is your own name. Among your own members, there is no respect for each other, Dr. Body.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:29

Thank you. Thank you so much. I don't know, Charles, can you take the last time?

SPEAKER_16 1:05:38

Before you go, Ambassador, yes. There is one to mention. I believe that you know I have the positive view strong disadvantage the one factor. All these other political parties. We are fractions of one factor. That's why you see how people just move, just move the nails of these, just move the anarchizing out here. There is no ideological design. We are just at the one faculty. So within that context of the one faculty, we must find solutions for accountability for those who expected. What exactly is the problem you have with the country? So we need to point out strengthening our institutions. Isn't I guess I believe that we need to strengthen parliament? That's how we get this thing done. I'm an architect in this, I can tell you how we can catch these things so that I can do it. You know, the basic thing you don't need to do is what you do is because we are we are ending it. Yeah. We will not sign the budget. We are refuse. So we need to develop a parliament is for checks, real checks and balance.

SPEAKER_12 1:07:32

Thank you, Charles. We already started very late, an hour late, and I'm I'm I'm concerned about you because we discussed. Let me take the last five calls, then we come back, you answer, then you know we end the broadcast. Let me take the last five calls.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:54

Okay, good evening, Mamba Mamba.

SPEAKER_12 1:08:01

Yes, Tandua Katie Singoma.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:04

Yes, Mr. Mamba. Uh good evening, Mr. Longway.

SPEAKER_12 1:08:09

Yes, Charles Longwe.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:12

Yes, good evening, Mr. Charles Longwe. So Mr. Charles Longwe um, I I really appreciate the stance you've taken to um take your concerns to the courts of uh uh the high court or the courts of the high the courts, but uh my concern is this you were responding to one of the callers when they said, Are you not afraid for your life? You said I'm not afraid as long as I'm doing the right thing. I did the same to the uh president then um President Edgar Lungo. I was able to sleep peacefully, and uh because as far as I'm concerned, I did the right thing. I never respected it, disrespected anybody. Um my approach was okay. But uh, frankly speaking, you should not run away from the reality that HS is a ruthless president and uh the stance that you've taken. I don't think you say there's nothing that can be done to you, that is a correct statement. I'll say this because of just the moment letters about you challenging the leadership of the second you writing the letter to the secretariat who was in the public domain. We saw a video where Say Ali, who everybody knows that is being used by the UPND to campaign for HS, uh UPND, which is your party of course went live. Okay. So the stance you've taken has been connected to Garin Kombo. We are saying you and Garin Kombo are working hand in hand. If that is true, I don't know. But one of the things that Diali told the Zambians is that you cannot challenge HH. I'm afraid my brother Garin Kombo, this is the wrong stance you've taken. You don't know HH, you'll be gone. The way was cleared, this is how you'll be cleared. This was Diali telling the Zambians of how ruthless HS is because according to him, the stance that you Mr. Longwe has taken, it takes it that you and Gary are working hand in hand. So if you come to tell us to say you are sleeping peacefully because the president, the late former president uh of Zambia uh Mr. never did anything to you. I think you are being unfair. You are being um I don't know if this goes this this case can even be compared. Mr. Lungo and uh Mr. S are two different people. Mr. Lungu was a man who had the hand for the people. She's a ruthless leader. She's a ruthless leader. That's how come he can be president from I don't know when up to now, you've never had another leader in that organization of yours. It's because it just has to be him, you and him alone. And the way he's been handling the UPN party is a reflection of how he's been handling the country. If you cannot respect the constitution of the party where you belong, you cannot respect the constitution of the country. We've seen how he has um raised the constitution with impunity. We've seen a good example is the do seven. That do seven was rejected by the majority of Zambians. What did he do? Even when there was a court judgment to say this thing, you need to get back to the people. This story is known by you. This note is known by me. This story is known by every woman of Zambian. I think to push himself, and as we are talking right now, that was to talk to the speaker dancing. We heard of everybody's being given to vote for that. This is how ruthless it is. So for you to tell us to say you are sleeping physically, I'm afraid that is not you may be sleeping visibly, but be careful.

SPEAKER_12 1:13:03

Thank you, thank you. Let's go quickly. I think we've got your point. Um two key issues. Are you working with Gary N Combo? And uh are you sure you are safe? I think those are the two issues that have come from Dandywe. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Good evening. Yes, make make your contributions or your question to Mr. Longway.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:31

Mr. Longway, thank you very much. We have heard it and we have heard U PND must go to the convention since twenty twenty zero six. Only one person controlling the party. What I can say, UP and D is a Kangalu party. About participation, too. Committee member, while I jump to them, Ubuntu remapper sign up, let's number over, sign up, isn't it?

SPEAKER_12 1:15:01

Thank you very much. Let's take a dear brother of yours, he says in evening ambassador, I'm unable to connect. I'm unable to connect, but please pass on the message of strong encouragement to Mr. Charles Longwe's a rare breed in the UPND. And I knew Mr. Charles a long time ago. We used to mingle with Mr. Clayton Hamasakand himself. I will send you his the the name. Maybe D he hasn't said whether I should say it publicly. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Mamati, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:48

Yes. Ah well, good evening, uh, my name is just to you know to encourage you. We need the leaders like you. We need the people who stand for the truth, and it is so encouraging that it's community to challenge you the president with the president of Zambia and the president of your party. We wish you well, we hope and praise that you have a lot of people who support you because you are doing the right thing. This is what we want. We want democracy, we don't want the way. So if somebody can be party, what more if you give him the power? We see what he is capable of doing. So please go ahead with that convention. We want to see what will come out of that convention. If you are working with Garden Kombo, is it better? Because I believe Garden Kombo can make a good leader. Because at least he understands how uh the governance has to be done. And like that we have. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_12 1:17:31

Thank you. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_17 1:17:37

I'm uh calling you from Mandevu, the Comboni Ambassador. Yes, uh governance. How can the 20 million of us be beta over one person? It's not possible. Umfueni a governance, I like the governance and you confess that I was pushing him to work hard. It's never fair. And I'm supporting that it is government. And the one how it's now the means. So they should go to convention, further to which we are going to challenge them also in court. They will not go for fighting denominations because it's our democratic right. And um, I believe um Kombo Gari will not be a coward this time. My trust in him, he's a sober man and very civilized and very exposed. Thank you.

SPEAKER_12 1:19:14

Thank you very much. Oh, now the calls are tap when we have to allow Mr. Longway to go. Um, I know caller, you are our last caller for now. Tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:28

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_12 1:19:29

Good evening.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:31

Yes, this is David Chukumian. I'm calling from Wong Western Province.

SPEAKER_12 1:19:35

Yes, David.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:37

Yeah, we are following the big man here, Mr. Charles White is saying, and uh it is just a shock. Like, what is these other people they are saying? We are just a shock to come and find out that in UPND we have got people who are thinking about this country and what is happening. The big man is opening now eyes to millions of people in this country for what he's saying. A number of people now, we have just come to believe that in UPND we are just a few individuals who are so uh who are so inhuman but doing things and who doesn't think about other people. But again, we have got people who are thinking about people in this country. So, Mr. Charles, thank you so much. But we are just scared about your life. Thank you so much, Charles.

SPEAKER_12 1:20:29

As you can see, our people fear the government. They've done wrong things, and you can see they are even fearing for your life for male speaking out. Even when you are sure us that you are okay, many people think that you are not okay. Please take time to answer the other callers and then we'll begin to close.

SPEAKER_14 1:20:52

Thank you to uh callers Ramba. Uh I'll start with the issue of um Gar and Kong.

SPEAKER_16 1:21:02

Those are my seniors in the fact. Uh right now, of course, my position is that they are not easy in the fact. That's right. We are well there. We have politicians. We can have an ambition. I'll never take someone to the position. You know, you can accuse me of anything, but yeah, I'm gonna come. That'd be knocking. You're talking about the jackethyl can you? Like fishing. I think that's challenging. Of course now that you still introduce it together. I think that's like a man fight. I don't want to do. I'm not looking for forgotten what is functioning. What is the fact that I don't want to do? I don't think that you want to look. I'm joined and I've got to every day. I've asked for people here that you know I watch this show. I hear precious reasons. I want to thank your audience for hearing what I'm talking about. I want to thank them. It's natural together, it's a bit. And I think it was something that's a free category. So if I can't just find and popular, you should look at himself. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know, what is you doing, I think an ambition I mean that we need to be as if people clear what you are doing that you don't make the same message. Yeah, good. I let the Lord watch the teaching. What's my motion? So I can only do so much. I'll not be foolish to be so careful as not to think that the advanced are in the missing. I'm also walking circumspect in these issues, so that I in my damage, you know, so that I don't go as collateral damage. But we are here for this stuff. We need to vote in our leader.

SPEAKER_12 1:24:49

Do you think uh the threat that uh my dear brother Chufia Taadi exposed warning Garim Kombo that he will lose his life for challenging President Akainde Chama? Is that the correct uh spirit of the UPND? If anyone challenges President Akainda, they risk their life to the extent what what did you think of remarks like that?

SPEAKER_16 1:25:26

I don't have to respond to the bloggers, they know why they do those things. They give them excuse. What you said was unfortunate. I didn't think unfortunate. I really excuse, my relationship. I got a message from my friend.

SPEAKER_13 1:26:16

Correct.

SPEAKER_16 1:26:30

You know, this action with a chicken. I think what I can. Why do you think people give you? You know, political fact is that I'm telling you. You don't understand how this government is. We are architects, we are I know how the political factors are fine. I want the center of the city. Okay. I'm the principle. So the principles. Yeah, that's what I got, look at that, the last thing is changing. You can't do that for one for 50. I think you have a hundred years. They have the election. What was that? What we have. But I'm thinking you'll be too clean. Let's engage each other in the most delightful. Yeah. Let's just do that. Let's try that with them.

SPEAKER_12 1:28:57

Let's try that. Thank you, Charles. Charles, please give the country your last um word, uh, your last remarks. And again, I should I think just go back to why you have taken this action against your own party.

SPEAKER_16 1:29:16

Yeah, I'll I'll sum it up as my last remarks on this show. Thank you very much, Ambassador, for watching me. Uh you reached out. Nobody else can reach out. So don't cry like um on this show. I'm a believer. Uh Philippians say, don't reach out of things. That you may get trouble for me what can you change? And you say, you might give away. It doesn't matter. So for me, this is me. I'm communicating. I don't think that's opposition. I'm communicating. Give me an opportunity to share my views for my fellows and the dance for both within views in this country. I want to say that. I like to. We have a job to do in the opening. I'm not reading. I'm the direction in the room. I do have a joke. I'm not lying by total. I don't know what you feel about. We have to get that one to come. Oh yeah, you just want the convention and then use the data. Correct me. And if that read that you will make. And you make Victoria will support that you. But you don't support people who are democratic. We will only support people who are elected. Primary around the concept. It is primarily during the consumer. There's no speaking of this we are in common. Ah, you cannot do this. We will be on the ground expecting you. So when you come now using the primary, you will find. Yeah. So there's nothing like keeping the national management so that you adopt yourself. No. You go for the primary. And if you are doing that, let's give opportunities to everyone as a political fact. And this idea also positions. Okay now. That's what I can say for now. I have a lot of things to say. But in the time we have, and this being the first time on your show, can you leave it here? Maybe another day we'll go in a more structured way. Because there's really something I want to say about the governance of this country. And how we can use Parliament.

SPEAKER_12 1:32:58

Yes, yes. No, you you are welcome, and um, we speak off camera. We can arrange another broadcast. This broadcast was specifically to attend to the development that you have taken. Um I would like to thank you sincerely, uh, Mr. Longway, for coming on my podcast and for you know for being gracious enough. And you were patient for whatever reason, the broadcast nearly didn't take place for one hour. We were struggling, we didn't have volume. But you remained patient and you said, I've come, I've spared time, we are going to have the broadcast. And with after one hour, we had to restart the program, and you were very patient. So thank you very much. And to come and discuss the state of the country, you know. Uh uh I would like to invite you once again. This is now the matters are in court, the lawyers will argue you can come back, we discuss the state of our country. You are welcome. So I'll reach out to you. Thank you. Um Charles Longwe, senior member of the UPND, longtime member of the UPND. He has taken his party to court. He wrote letters to the secretariat reminding the secretariat that the mandate of the president and the national management committee and all structured had expired in February 2026. You know, the UPND's uh um general congress starts from the branches, like many political parties, from right at a polling station management committee. Then they hold primaries for candidates, then they hold the elect, you know, the polling management committee who elect people in the wards, the wards who elect people in the uh constituencies, the constituencies will elect people in the district, the district will elect people to the province, the province will elect the national management committee and president. And Charles's question to his own party was who has elected you? Your mandate has expired. He has called them former leaders from the president to the national management committee. They are all former leaders. He is so resolute in his action that he has gone to court to persuade the court to grant authority that an interim committee be set up. He has even feared that looking at the provisions in the UPND constitution, it may not be possible for the UPND to hold a general conference that you know uh respects and upholds the constitution of the UPND. And you are aware that an electoral calendar has is almost already kicked in. And they'll be in in two months' time, presidential candidates, parliamentarians, council chairperson, and mayors and councillors will be filing their nominations. So at what stage will all these people have been adopted if uh the parties are not holding the primary functions that involves the grassroots. Charles was determined to come and discuss all this, but we're overtaken by events. His lawyers were quite quick and they fouled in this petition before the courts. So you saw he acted, he spoke with a lot of restraint. And you have to understand because he's a petitioner and he didn't want to prejudice his own case that is before court. Otherwise, when we plan this broadcast, he was willing to come and state his case to the public. But now the matters are in court, and we hope that the courts will hear him. And Charles remain safe. The fears of our people are genuine, the fears for your life, for your family's life are genuine because they have seen what has happened to all of us that have challenged uh President Akainde Hilema. And they have even seen what might happen to people in your own party if they even stood for the opposition. So we salute uh people like uh Charles Longway, and we hope that party members in the UPND will rise to the occasion. The last rider is to the opposition. The standards that Charles is asking of his own party are the same standards that should apply you to the opposition. You just can't hold a gathering and call it a conference. You cannot do that because what will happen is you'll be disqualified with you give permission to President Ichlema and his ECZ who are determined to disqualify the opposition. So far, there are political parties that have held a conference the Socialist Party. You know, if you look at um uh uh uh our dear brother uh Jovin Fube, his conference was delayed for over three weeks because he was told by the registrar and by the police that he needed to comply with the 30 days notice to the police, with also 30 days notice to the registrar of society. So if you look at uh Hari Kalaba, Harikalaba held the first conference and the registrar refused to accept it, it was nullified because they said Hari Kalaba didn't comply with the 30 days notice to the police, 30 days notice to registrant, 30 days notice to his own members. It is imperative that both the UPND, the PF, and others that are yet to have conf conferences learn from what has happened to the other political parties that held um this. Even when we we f we suspect that rules and regulations may be used to bar candidates, you have to be aware and plan for how we shall overcome this to ensure that candidates participate in the elections. Otherwise, we fear, like Longwe fears, that his own party may be a society that is not legal at this stage. He doesn't have an interim committee, there is a leadership vacuum because that leadership has expired. So God bless you and God bless people like Charles Longwe, who love the country more than they love their party. He loves President Akainde Helema, but he's saying, Mr. President, respect the Republican constitution and respect the party constitution. He supports him, but he says no, these uh values are far higher than individuals. So God bless you and God bless all of you to our dear audience. Sorry for for the frustrations that occurred. But sometimes we see these frustrations every time we have a big broadcast. Sometimes we suspect you know sabotage. But uh the Lord was gracious, and this broadcast was successful. God bless you, and until next time, we'll see you uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh soon.

SPEAKER_16 1:40:13

We want change, we want change, we want change, we want change we want a change.