ARREST OF MUNDUBILE AND OTHER ISSUES

LIVE NOW; We discuss the arrest of Tonse Alliance, Brian Mundubile, the PF Conference and the ECZ Electoral Calendar.. 

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SPEAKER_10 2:15

Meanwhile, Zambia Police Deputy Public Relations Officer Chief Kaitian says Mr. Mundovile has been formally charged and arrested for alleged offense of aiding dating and counseling to commit hate speech. By providing both content and financial support to China, not to China Money, identified as the page administrator. She says the page is alleged to have published malicious and headful content, targeting various individuals over a suspended period.

SPEAKER_09 7:15

And was only arrested yesterday in March 19, 2023, in Los Angeles. The suspect has since been released on police bond and is expected to appear in court soon.

SPEAKER_16 7:41

Good day and welcome to today's broadcast. Today, Friday, um the 20th. Thank you very much for joining us. Share the broadcast. Share we've taken two, three major um uh topics uh today. Um I wish to first of all apologize that we we are unable to hold um the scheduled uh interview, the scheduled podcast with Reverend Jaffet Njov, who remember is a senior clergy from Canada, is um uh the UCZ of Canada, UC United Church of Canada, UCC, uh, and is he holds a very senior position here. He was going to help us analyze uh the state of our country. We have rescheduled that program to next week because he had some unfortunate engagement, and there is no doubt moment. There are so many things happening in our country, and we quickly came up with three topics the arrest of Tonsi Alliance, President Brian Munduwile, um, and FDD presidential candidate. Uh, yesterday he was detained yesterday. He's since been arrested, charged, and those are the videos who were playing. The PF is scheduled to have a conference, and um they have um seven candidates, essentially six candidates that are due. Uh they are to hold this conference very soon. They haven't released the date, but they are to hold this conference very soon. And we touched this matter yesterday. And for those that watched it, you saw even two presidential candidates, Chimbakambuili and and uh uh uh uh Mdolo, Joseph Willam Dolo participate in the program and there were so many calls, but remember I was committed and I couldn't allow phone calls. So if we will do a carryover from yesterday, if you have anything to say, your chest is burning and you had something to say there. The third one is election calendar. This is uh uh a permanent staple in the preparations for the elections that are due in August, but the process is supposed to start very soon. Um so those are the three topics we'll be discussing, and it's open forum. We you'll be joining me very shortly, and you can call in. It's your forum. We'll hear from you, I'll provide my own analysis, and you will join me in making those calls. We don't intend to stay very long today. Let's do an hour's broadcast or one hour 30 minutes broadcast. Um, because it's Friday. So, number one, the arrest of Tonse Alliance president, uh Brian Mundu, who is also a member of parliament and is also the FDD presidential candidate. The issue of the PF conference, I'll provide my analysis. The election calendar, this will be a permanent staple here because the country needs to prepare and you need to know what is going on. So as as soon as as soon as I am back, let's discuss those three items and prepare to call on those three items. And um let's start with that. So yesterday, Bran was scheduled to travel out of the country, and um at the airport, he was stopped. This is has become a nuisance, a routine nuisance. Remember, President Edgar Lungu was stopped several times. Remember, Honorable Edith Nawaki was stopped that she even missed a treatment in India. Remember that Fred Membe and myself, when we're going for the trip to Zimbabwe, were also stopped. We were later cleared. Uh, when I was traveling to South Africa, I was also in convenience until the last minute. We have condemned this uh trample on freedom of movement. We have a right to free movement. If I have a passport, I have no legal or any other encumbrance, I should be allowed to travel. But the police have this tendency where they have been stopping people at the airport, political leaders, and we have normalized the nuisance. We have normalized that this is okay. This is not okay. We have a right to travel. If my passport has issues, you revoke it. But do not inconvenience me, embarrass me at the airport because you want to know where I'm going. When were my freedoms curtailed? If the passport. There have been various cases, for example, uh the case of Walden Findla. The court releases a passport to him, and the authorities at the airport proceeded to still disregard the court orders and the court release of that passport. He eventually traveled and came back. So, number one, we should make it very clear this is not normal. It is not normal. It is infringing on our various freedoms, have a right to associate, have a right to freedom of expression. And it's only in Zambia. Someone was saying this is done everywhere. No, no, it's not done everywhere. In fact, the only thing that distinguishes you would be a diplomatic passport. Then I'll be given uh quicker clearance at the airport than ordinary mortals. So to say this is normal, it is not normal. If the police have an issue with me, law enforcement agencies have an issue with me, they should issue a call out. They should call me and I report to their office. Than to wait and ambush me. I've made travel plans, spent money, and you are coming to the airport, and then you arrest me from the airport. When you are a person of fixed abode, they know your phone number, why arrest someone at the airport? That we must unequivocally condemn that those actions are unacceptable. So what I did to Brian Munduwile is totally illegitimate. What they did to ECA, what they did to Edith Nawaki, what they did to me and Dr. Fred Membe, what I did to others doesn't make it right. In fact, it spoils the broth. Now we pika supu isuma, mwaya bika mwem painful. This is what it is. Even if you have legitimate concerns, even if you have legitimate investigations that you wish to conduct, conduct them in a professional manner. Remember what they call the due process. It is a constitutional right. We are entitled to the due process of the law. So you cannot think you get to justice by abandoning the due process of the law. So what happened to Brian Mundwile was the abandonment of the due process of the law. Because the due process requires that an invitation is done to him, call out is done. If they are investigating him, they should call him. But to ambush someone, you grab his phone, you confiscate their phones, and you begin to ask about contents of the phone, whether you've had access or not, is borderline lawlessness. So before you even come to the issues, what happened at the airport must be condemned and must be condemned strongly. It can happen to we, I have been stating very often, even Honorable Given Lubinda was stopped. When he was coming back, he was searched for many, many uh, you know, many almost one hour. That should stop. Unless you have legitimate concern, you can't use our travel. If I am bound to travel, ask for the passport, confiscate it lawfully, don't abandon the due process of the law. That's number one item. So the arrest is already contaminated, whatever the issues they are pursuing, the arrest is contaminated because they have not followed the due process of the law. If they were investigating us, now we have known. That highly disrespectful page. Uh I'll speak about it uh shortly. Why didn't they issue a call-out for him? They had earlier uh detained and arrested uh Chandanonde. So if if the co-accused was Bran, why have they been waiting almost a year to charge him? Is it because now his declared intention is a presidential candidate? No, we need to conduct our politics better. When you spoil the due process, you spoil the case. And that is where it is. On the Munya page, it's a matter I'm keenly following because myself and uh Andy, the photographer, Andy Luki Jr., the photographer, and Rizuan Patel from Petaoke were brutalized. I was brutalized. I still don't have my teeth here, my tooth here. I have not replaced it. I've made it as a souvenir. On that fateful day on January, on June 14th, I was picked from the kawash, beaten and brutalized, I had no idea what they were looking for. They nearly broke my neck, hurt my shoulders and my back, bundled me in a smoker, and I was incognito for almost 24 hours. My family, my my my lawyers only came to see me the following day. And the the the the anger about that is that they've never even taken me to court over the issues they were pursuing me over because uh they instead manufactured a charge that had beaten a policeman during my apprehension. Foolish things. I've sued them in the high court, and I hope that those officers can be brought to account. But the issue what they were asking me was that Munyaule Page had published some document that purported that uh uh HH had earmarked the Catholic for destruction in order to get re-elected in 2026. And they were saying that first document was forgery and that I had published it on Munyaule. I had no idea who Munyaule was. I had no idea. Rizwan was picked from Petaoke, brutally beaten, held incognito for four days without food, and they even fired a shot over his head. He remains traumatized to death. They hit him and beat him on his. Why? Because Rizwan was accused that he got a screenshot or a story from Nyaule and distributed it on WhatsApp groups. We have um uh Andy Luki was accused of the same thing. So personally, I'm interested in this, and I hope that uh the allegations both against Brian and Chandanonde are not true because some of the material that was published there will be a betrayal to President uh Edgar Lungo, a betrayal to people like me who were beaten and brutalized over issues I was not even aware of. And in fact, one or two times people had asked me about that page, and I totally had no idea. You know, so I personally am following that matter. Um the KBN had brought out sensational matters yesterday. That brand was being asked about possible financiers and names, KBN named names from their sources, such as the former president Joseph Kavila, such as um uh uh uh um uh uh Moise uh Katoumbi, you know, the former governor Moses Katoumbi, former Chan Fisheries uh proprietor, and uh and and others they were asking Brian about this according to KBN. Um we are yet to see because what the charges that came are totally different from either treason or seditious charges. But knowing the police, they are not done. They are not done. Every time anyone becomes prominent to the country and is using different voices, is speaking truth to power, you'll be a person of target. And maybe now they think that Brian has graduated to be a threat to them and they are beginning to look at this. Like I was saying, this this Munyaule story Chandandua speaked up last year, almost a year ago. Why would they bring the matter up today? And even the things, if what K being published were matters of interest, we we we have to watch the space. But what is the net effect of all this is like the human rights watch international stated is that Zambia. Zambia is under an authoritarian state, that Zambia is under a dictatorship, and that President Akainde Echilema has squeezed the strangold on freedoms of expression. He has passed a new constitution, new laws, and now we understand he was boasting that it was not possible to win this year's elections when he was in Nakonde if they didn't pass Bill 7. That's what Human Rights Watch International, latest country report on Zambia, has put it. That Zambia is under the strangold of authoritarian rule, and that critics and members of the opposition have been the victims in this case. So Brian just joins the long line of people that have been harassed, persecuted, detained, arrested, and imprisoned. Why? Because there's a pattern that has been established that President Hakainde H Lima wants at all cost, at all cost, the the uh uh uh uh the second term. You will need to begin to watch uh Garin Kombo. Today he issued something very nice that uh uh he's speaking in riddles. I wish he could be more brave and I wish that he could speak more frankly than uh the riders that he is providing. Uh, Garin Kombo has issued something controversially on his page. He says, no matter what day it is, no matter what day it is, the sun rises from the east and sets towards the west. So some things never change, like the sun rising from the east and setting from the west. And that's a warning in my view. I don't know who Garin Kombo is speaking to, but it's a warning to President Akainde Ichilema that the sun rises and the sun sets. What do you do when the sun sets? What we do when the sun sets is human beings make investment to bring artificial light, artificial cooking, to be in a sheltered area during the period of the night. As President Ichelema prepared when the sun sets, as he prepared when the curtains close, as he prepared if he were to lose power in 2026. And I take wisdom from Gary Kombo that some things never change. The sun rises and the sun sets. You know, umuringanya wakakuringa principle comes in. What you are measuring your friends, how you are treating your friends. The Lord instructs us to love thy neighbor. You know, uh that barefoot rabbi who we all follow, our Lord Jesus Christ, says, love your neighbor and you know, uh love God and love your neighbor. Those two cardinal uh uh uh uh uh um edicts that the Lord gives us as commandments must be respected. But a lot of time we don't love neighbor and therefore we don't love our God. But what happens to you? What happens to you when the sun sets? Number one, that was a matter of my comments on the arrest of Brian Munduile. Let me discuss a PF conference briefly, then I give you the election calendar and then I open phone lines and you join in the debate. We are discussing three critical items: the arrest of Tonse Alliance President Brian Munduvile on charges of cybersecurity and cyber crimes offenses, and the PF conference and the electoral calendar as we race towards the 2026 general elections. Let's go to the PF conference. Yesterday we had the robust discussion. Many people agree that it was a very engaging and we had the opportunity and um honor to have uh Dr. Shimba Kambuili, who is a presidential candidate in the Patriotic Front core, and he made his views. He was of the view that we shouldn't hold the conference until after the court case that is coming up on uh 27th uh March 2026. William Mudolo also called with the same position. My position was very clear. The PF has been operating without a name, making decisions, fundamental decisions. Number one, they pick candidates who participate in by-elections. It doesn't matter how they participate in the elections, but that given Lwinda team does do that. They pick a candidate, for example, in Petaoke and Chawama, the candidates that won. And the candidate in Kasama, who nearly won, was picked by the Central Committee of the Patriotic Front. The Patriotic Front and makes decisions, given Lubinda appoints, disappoints, fires, recruits, elevates. When it came when it comes to a general conference, you say the law, the law, the law, my point was very clear. Yes, we can have the law, but I borrowed the words of ECL that if you are going to operate under the environment of a dictator, you have to leave the issues of legality to the lawyers. You have a duty to do your politics. That was the advice from the late president. When he came into office, the party, we were deplatformed, the party was in the name of Miles Lampa. So I dismissed their sessions that the PF conference should wait until the court case on 27th March 2026. It's not that we are abrogating the law, it's not that we are disregarding the law. I felt strongly that we need the PF needed to act politically, not legally. And um I had said there was a window, a steady big window, because Mao Sampa had won this big case against Morgan Ngona and Robert Chawinga. And between the window that we had where the party was totally legally that belonged to Mao Sampa, that it was the best opportunity to have the general conference. The court of appeal had given uh uh judge uh judge Kelvin Muzenga, judge at the court of appeal, had granted Morgan Ingona an expert restraining order, restraining Mausampa from dismissing him. So he had rushed on appeal to the court of appeal. Remember when he sought permission, the judge at the lower court gave him permission to appeal, but she refused to stay a judgment. But here at the top, the judge Kelvin Muzenga gave Morgan a restraining or an injunction stopping Mao Sampa from firing him, that this matter then was now taken to a full bench for inter-party hearing and a date was set 14th April 2025, 2026, a day before presidential candidates uh present their 1,000 supporters to the Electoral Commission of Zambia. So you can see that uh Imingalato continues, and I should boast that I was right if you are going to wait for court process. So, for example, even if the PF wins the case on 27th, they still can't hold a conference because there will be a court of appeal injunction restraining the PF from holding its general conference. And remember, there's a Kawe matter that has not been discharged. And therefore, I was pleading and warning that in this environment, the PF, just in the manner they pick a candidate, that our candidate for Chihuahua, how the candidate now looks for a party and stands becomes another matter. But as a PF, they should have a presidential candidate. And I called on President Shimbakamwili, sorry, presidential aspirant Shimbakamwili and William Mudolo to sit with his colleagues, for example, to agree on the delegates list. For me, those were my concerns. Will the process be transparent? Are you satisfied with the process internally? But the PF I urged can go to conference. Even under no name, they can go to conference. Will that candidate be PF? Does it mean that they will have resigned from PF? No, not at all. Does it mean when we we do these activities, we've resigned from PF? No. It doesn't mean that. It only means that we are being adaptive in the environment where you have a government that is determined that the PF should not be on the ballot. If you have anything to say on that matter, the PF is about to hold a general conference. And here the successful candidate, Dr. Chitalu Chilufia, former minister of uh uh health, Mansa MP. He was recently readmitted to the party, to the Central Committee, and was put on the paper as a presidential candidate. Shimba Kambuidi, who has officially expressed concern at the manner this process is going. He wishes that the man the conference should be held after 27th. That was the gist of his broadcast when he held it this week. Chanda Katotowe, Luapula MP, is participating, he's been low-key, he hasn't been to this platform, he hasn't been very robust, but knowing Chanda Katotowe is a renowned businessman. He he operates sometimes, you know, that's how they operate under the rudder. If he knows the Electoral College and he's been speaking to it, yeah, maybe. Then we have acting president Given Luinda, who joined the race um when it was reopened. He's been acting president since 2021. What has been his record 2021 is controversial. Many praise him that he has held the PF together and that he's been is the PF is what it is because he held it together. He was resolute, he didn't the structures are intact. Others accuse him that he has lost the PF during his reign. Well, how many MPs does he have? Where are the structures? There's controversial debate around that. Greyford Monde, former livestock minister, is been very robust going across the country to speak to um uh uh delegates. Make Zulu entered the race together with uh Chandaka Totwen, Given Lubind and Willam Dolo, and he's been causing a stare in the country. And uh remember he won, he was part of the three winners on the on our uh opinion poll where we had profiled seven major candidates. And uh Make Bizulu emerged face number one on online voters where over 40,000 voted. He emerged number two on on phone calls where about 3,000 people called, and he merged um number three where we did a Facebook poll where Akainde Ichilema won. So Mackey Zulu quite strong. Joseph Willam Dolo, he wrote a letter yesterday and he says he has withdrawn from the rest because he stated that he's not going to participate in a no-name uh process. He wants to have a legal conference, but that legal conference will the PFB ever be given back for the PF to have a general conference that will be legal and legitimate. It can only be either at the same time. Currently, they can only hold a legitimate conference. It may not be legal, but um Dolo says we need to have a legal and legitimate conference. The environment just doesn't allow. Um, the last matter of discussion uh is the electoral calendar. Let me come back to it. They started with electoral electoral legal reforms, and uh Madam Mwangala Zalomi set up the electoral reform technical committee that was headed by Mr. Rapson Chong, one of the youngest finance ministers this country ever had. He held the office when he was at the age of 28. But that electoral reform technical committee, which proposed all these changes, was deemed illegal because the chairperson, Mongala Zalomis, cannot reform herself. She's a mere creature of the constitution. And she set up this process illegally appointed Rabson Chonggua, former UNIP colleague, who added the process and made these recommendations that founded amendments to Bill 7, that founded the electoral process bill that is before Parliament of 2026, that founded the demands for the electoral boundaries because there was a revision to the delimitation uh program that was done in 2019. There was a revision, which is currently undergoing. So this has been the calendar of the ECZ. They started with electoral legal reforms, the delimitation process, then they embarked on registration of voters. Literally, this was an update. It wasn't a new register, it was an update. And again, this process didn't go well because what we saw emerged there was um voter suppression methods. The issuance of NRRC were suppressed in northern Muchinga, Luapula, uh, parts of Copa Belt Uban and parts of Lusaka Uban. There was voter suppression in Eastern Province. Um sadly, the people that conducted this exercise for NRSC issuance to date, they have not been paid. The people that participated in voter registration to date have not been paid. Every process has been marred by irregularities. Um they've currently been doing an inspection of the provision register, and I think it closed last week. Um they are starting, they will start a new process after finishing inspection of voter registration and the registered voters. There will be certification of registers of voters for the 2026 that has been done. They will be setting up conflict management uh process, nomination of candidates. Now the nomination for presidential accreditation for presidents, it will start on Saturday, April 25th, and up to Saturday, May 16th, 2026. Um there's nominations that are happening on 18th May up to 22nd May, and there'll be an announcement of successful candidates. So we are well underway. Then there'll be an official uh program that will start after the nominations are done, which will be campaign period, and uh there'll be an opportunity for nomination petitions if people will be aggrieved. For example, if President Akainde H Lima Fowzi's nominations, you can go to court and say this man has not been has not gone to general conference as required by Article 60 of the Republican Constitution. So his nomination must be nullified. There'll be a period in which nominations will be challenged, or there'll be a candidate that may be successful, but was declared bankrupt by a court, by a court of law. You can go that. So this we'll be discussing every day and we'll be picking item by item and discuss it in depth. The lines are open, pick your call, come and contribute to what you wish to contribute. Let me just ensure that the phones are on and you can participate in the three items we are discussing. Let me remind you what we are discussing. The arrest of Brian Munduwili have stated that if the law enforcement agency had a genuine case, they should have called him to the police. They should have issued a call out. The abrogation of the due process of the law spoils the entire case, even if you have a case, it spoils a case. The police are saying he's been arrested because he was running and co-financing a rogue page called Munia that him and uh uh uh uh Chandanon, who's been his long time uh assistant, were running this page. Those are the allegations from the the police. We feel that in light of this environment, I cited the uh the human rights watch international report that has stated that Zambia is under the cover of authoritarian rule, it's under a dictatorship, where opponents, critics, and opposition leaders are constantly harassed. They are either being arrested, being jailed, being imprisoned, being, you know, uh uh uh harassed. That's what is happening to the opposition, and these international human rights reports keep on expressing this worry. On the PF conference, I've just stated to you that we have seven presidential candidates, although one has withdrawn, and the PF is about to have its general conference. And this issue around legality and legitimacy is what we're discussing. It may not be legal, but to be legitimate. If the PF is waiting to hold both a legal and legitimate conference, they may never have that conference. Um the successful candidates under the PF, remember there was a list of 13. It's been whittled down to seven, uh, um, including Joseph Willam Dolo, although he wrote a letter of withdrawal. I don't know if he's still there, but it's Chitaluchilufia, former Minister of Um Health. Shimba Kamwili, former Minister of Umformation, of foreign affairs, of labor, Chandakatoto, we MP for Luapula uh constituency and longtime businessman. Uh one of the most successful local entrepreneurs who's been running an investment because tomorrow investment from as back as 1998 is one of those successful young businessmen, resilient. I don't know where you are talking about. We'll have dollar businessman from the letter. Do not participate in this coming conference. Those are the three items. Let us discover. Let's see how your views are. Okay. So let me just switch on one of the phones was off. Um let's begin to call. Let me hear your views about this matter. Let me just uh make sure that these phones are on. If you have a matter to express, this is the right time. Make your call. Let's hear from you. We are discussing those three items. The harassment of the opposition, as demonstrated by the arrest of uh Joseph Wheeler. The arrest of uh Brian Munavile, sorry. Um I'm just trying to sort out the issues of the phone so that you can go. Let me play a short break.

SPEAKER_10 46:57

Meanwhile, Zambia Police Deputy Public Relations Officer Chipo Kaitisha says Mr. Munavile has been formally charged and arrested for alleged offense of aiding abating and counselling to commit hurt speech. By providing both content and financial support to Channel to Chandande, identified as the page administrator. She says the page is alleged to have published malicious and hateful content targeting various individuals over a sustained period. Miss Kaitisha adds that the suspect was warned and cautioned in June 2025 and was only arrested yesterday, March 19th, 2026, in Lusaka. She says the suspect has since been released on a police board and is expected to appear in court soon.

SPEAKER_09 48:08

Honorable Munduvile allegedly acting in content with another known individual, is suspected of having aided and cancelled the operation of a Facebook page known as Munyaole Zambia by providing both content and financial support to Mr. Chandanonde, identified as the page administrator. The page is alleged to have published malicious and head of content interrogating various individuals over a sustained period. The suspect was warned and cautioned in June 2025 and was only arrested yesterday, March 19, 2026, in Lusaka. The suspect has since been released on police bond and is expected to appear in court soon.

SPEAKER_14 49:21

Now someone from southern province can give up. What is not exposed? What's the whole? I'll come up with that. What is it that people? Now what do you do? What are we doing? You can't expect the people that moving. Who are not performing because let's take some calls.

SPEAKER_16 51:26

Let's take some calls. Uh the phone had uh was off, and uh just had to put it on the charger briefly. Allo colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution to any of the three topics we are discussing today.

SPEAKER_06 51:41

Yes, Ambassador, my name is Jonathan Osonda. Uh from a calling from Zampla. Jonathan, I'd like to contribute on uh yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_16 51:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 51:58

In as far as I'm concerned, you're on the right trajectory. And uh I think selecting a leader in in succession of uh what's ahead of 27 will be a much better position to take because once we have a leader, uh, I mean this weekend, we we will have uh a head up on what we are going to rally uh on after the 27th judgment, whether in our favor or not in our favor, we'll have uh where to start from. Yeah, so that's my take on the on the PF convention. And with regards to brand Mondobile issue, um this is just the beginning. Should expect more. Uh, what what I can advise is uh you should be strong in this because uh this is the most reason why um as PF, you guys were uh were advised not to come out very early. So these are the results of uh breaking out and uh taking his own way. So you should just be strong, and there's more to come to this. Uh he's just a heart. That's my contribution, sir.

SPEAKER_16 53:09

Thank you very much. The lines are open. Pick the call, pick the call, and let's hear you. What are your views? Alo colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions. Yes, I'm freaking uh my check is on the year convention.

unknown 53:40

Uh you know, certain things we can pick them up when we cross the bridge.

SPEAKER_05 53:47

It's very evident that the courts are seemingly adding the adversaries of peer continuing to hold on to peer and distracting the membership of P. I think this is that this is the agenda. And it's very unfortunate that the courts are running with it because honestly, the court of appeal can't entertain Moganimona in such a manner. When the lower court refused to stay in judgment, the the the court of appeal entertains it. We can see through the cases that they are running with the agenda of the UK and it seems like there's nowhere we are going to run to a CF and to obtain justice. So certain things we can pick them up when we cross the bridge. We should just take their names down because these people who are helping this UPND government to do this kind of lawlessness must be dealt with in the future. So let's hold our conversation.

unknown 55:09

What is there is just to agree as a party and a registrate leadership of people to agree that this is the route we are taking, this is where we are going to move.

SPEAKER_05 55:20

There's nothing like any legal education is no. Let's move as a family. And we want to thank our given Lubina. We have all this parts together, even though some decided to misbehave in the manner that they have done. But we have been interested, we have been so patient with our course, but we can't be patient anymore. So thank you to you, our leadership. Thank you, for Gibbon Lubina. Thanks for our conversation tomorrow and see how we are going to move forward. Because we don't have time, time is running out of us, and we have seen the mingled which is being played using the ECZ. This current, there is a target, there's some people they are targeting. So we'll let's run with them. And the Bible says a wise prepare, prepare it before calamity comes. So we can't just be waiting for what we can see. At least we can be able to do what we can be able to, while we still have a breathing space. So thank you so much, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_16 56:20

Thank you very much. Please go, please go. We are discussing those three items, and thank you for leaders of the opposition from Makebezolu, Honorable Hari Karawa, um Honorable Given Lubinda, who found time and turned up at the police station to give their colleague solidarity.

SPEAKER_02 56:52

Now Langra Ukulanda Pari Pari Vestba Mundo, the parumun to wing uh the party mun to wing uh station. But advice because my example so pari no stock chiman wuteco. Natural chiteker of perakwamashui. I checked on to rondo briefly, pa no, then knock to permanent toyakwevati to a karanga unity to live upon babasambuku to mama showunto or twice. But I mean what she called. So next time if you have a feeling to ships, what are somehow? You think it's dangerous, huh? Because you should care, Mujara Chaptio. I want to sang mafia. So it's for the white, or you want it? Then you party. I'm a member because what if you are in a broadcast? Why did Teleco my elections? Because Mundi PF Valikalava. But you won't talk who I straight present by PFA for keep. Although no one of a PF cavity some option of the Chakova set we have PF three for one wind to shouldn't rush three for a Pera Kuban. So that waker you sometimes in a cousin wishung within the Panamanton, Value Fa, you want to shoot. Because Krabama presents to my friend Waku is a candidate, for becauseangati were ruling party around the president to the Quavantu, Bari Murumbra Rumbra. Um Bamga was angoing project as an opposition, but project and Shwami Waku, who could start identified. So in their own property, I remember and the Papa Mapba came one candidates, Mammy. But they push up my embassy now for push up families. Let me just take this call from so in the wish we get at me on Ida. Because when I want to have a cocoa, then Tungurushoku, every Mukorola, a one to be some. So a pan I know for you. But in share quaternablement change. So now we follow upanya posana. We would took a few. But the structure is sooner about wino to authentic wino. Navena Zambia was a potamba. PFU have a picking up constitution by Wumba. I want to have one, but constitution here PF. Yeah, quite a constitution, yeah. I think it's a bad constitution here. Some wind to Bombay constitution.

SPEAKER_16 1:04:04

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Please go. Please go participate in the call. Let's hear your views. Let's hear your voice. Um today is Friday. Don't hold the phone for a long time, but quickly spik your mind. Um, let's see the cause. Let's see the course so that we can take we hear your views about the three items that we've lined up. Hello Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and tell us your contribution. But Samson, ah your network is bad, but try to contribute quickly. Wonderful. He has asked a very cardinal question, uh, raise the concern at the beginning and um follow the matter very closely. Um today is Friday. I don't want to stay long. Uh if you have anything to say, uh make your contributions now so that we can end the broadcast. But I thought that uh we can discuss uh the issues, especially the issue of the PF General Conference yesterday and today's development the arrest of Brian Mundo. A matter of harassment to the um to the opposition. We've seen the party we've seen the party. Are there any questions that someone would like to sometimes you have to go to questions? Um Titus Chamonora is saying, Do they have evidence that Brian Munville is connected to? Good question. Um why is Luinda campaigning alone on a virtual platform? I think they are talking about a virtual conference that's going on currently. Um, those are some of the questions online. Um, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:07

You watch Sangha if I am sure.

SPEAKER_16 1:08:33

Okay, thank you. I'll answer that question. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:42

Uh good evening, Ambassador. Uh, this is Dr. K collega from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_16 1:08:48

Dr. K, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:51

Yeah, uh want to pick the third third item that you are talking about the election calendar. The conversions for PF.

SPEAKER_16 1:09:00

Oh the conversion calendar.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:02

Oh no, sorry, the second one.

SPEAKER_16 1:09:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:04

Yes, the conversion for PF. Yeah. I think that is welcome. It needs to go ahead. Um, however, uh, today I was just watching the virtual uh meeting with um uh the acting president even. I was a bit concerned that uh in that virtual meeting I can only see uh some of the party officials that just put um even with the speeches that we are made. So I was wondering why the other party officials, especially the senior members of the party, were not there, and so that um you know the the the the the field should be learned then so that when it comes to the other presidential candidates, oh so uh they can also market themselves. So I'm just wondering maybe you have the know-how what is the procedure and uh what's going on. Of course, I may not want you to discuss the strategy, but just to give us information about the other candidates, um, whether they'll be given a chance, like he had today, to talk about you know where he's coming from, his manifesto, and so on. Uh how is the procedure like over?

SPEAKER_16 1:10:23

Thank you very much. Thank you. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_17 1:10:32

This is Amfrika, we're calling from Jingola.

SPEAKER_16 1:10:35

Amfri, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_17 1:10:37

Yeah, first of all, uh, um, let me just talk about yesterday's. Sorry to be a little bit divided. I just want to advise you. I think I wasn't very happy with the topic that you brought, and even the way Mr. Kambhili and Modolo came out, it was very shameful and embarrassing that senior leaders and presidential candidates can start arguing in public that instead of them sitting in the privacy and discuss service issues. Okay, uh you're dealing with people that are so crooked that there is a need for you as the Muamba and the PL senior leaders to be secretive. Why can't you talk things in the power in public, in the in the in the privacy rather than the way you're trying to discuss some of the things? Hence, giving the UPND the strategies, the ways that they can catch up with you. I think there is a very big problem with the PFO. I feel there is a need for UMA senior leaders. Stop talking too much in public. Can you begin talking too much in privacy? Strategize in privacy. Most of the things that we have seen and the embarrassment that have come are coming from you senior leaders. The general public and the lower organs of the PF, they are saying, unite, but you, the senior leader, are failing to unite, which is very embarrassing. Why can't you drop PF? Okay, PF is not about papers, PF is about people. Okay, there's nothing wrong for you to drop the name PF and join other people. If people voted for NCP, MP, if people voted for FGD, that is an indication that people are ready to vote for, to vote at any particular party. But for you, you keep entrusting the courts. I think you have been in politics for too long. Okay? You have been in politics for too long. Can we see people who are serious? What you need as Bapie for senior leaders. Stop cowardance, cowardance, umwenso. You are too much of umwenso. You are not going to win election, you are not going to be on the barrot if you are going to put um so. Let the senior leaders demonstrate leadership and people are led them. The reason why people are following Mundubile, he's providing leadership, he's providing direction. But Imana Mwikala, quote wam sunkiroku, quote wam sungiroku, and you keep on discussing the same thing instead of telling people this is the direction. The direction, if it is a direction, sometimes you don't even need to go at the convention. If you mofila money kafie, full stop, and start moving. It is not about you who become the president, it is about liberating the Zambian people. That's what you must understand, you're my senior leaders. How can you have seven people, nine people, especially so I'm not going to be in tribal? Avant one region, you want to be president. What kind of people are you? Mamwamba. First of all currently, what we have seen is that it is only Makebu kwete following uh uh Brian Mundi who following probably given by the most two people bandifabi. Why are you fearing to sit down, Mamwamba?

SPEAKER_16 1:14:15

Thank you very much, my brother.

SPEAKER_17 1:14:18

Sorry, Mamamba, why are you failing to sit Mamamba? For the past four years you have been talking about the same thing. So, Mamamba, it's high time Mwareta ma programma. Mwaleta director, hey, program number two amba. New to answer what stop discussing presidential guarantees and choose one person. We start moving, Mamwamba.

SPEAKER_16 1:14:34

Thank you very much, my brother. Thank you. I've got another caller. Caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:40

Hi, Ambassador. This is your co-host.

SPEAKER_16 1:14:43

Yes, my dear sister Queen Pumi.

unknown 1:14:46

How are you?

SPEAKER_16 1:14:48

Very well, very well, very well. Yes, make your contributions, my sister.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:53

Thank you so much. Um, a number of issues.

SPEAKER_16 1:14:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:57

Um, number one, I think uh the arrest of uh Honorable Brown Mondovido is um not talking because we had heard in the group lines that there were cases lined up against him, and this is some of the reasons why people were talking publicly why they did not follow Honorable Mundovido because it's also all of us are talking about it. It's just a matter of time before uh Mundovido, of course. We did uh we did many other things, including this one. So my question is why was it picked up a yellow? You know? Why was he picked up a yellow car? And then the other question is people are saying the rest of Mundumini is just to go. Because if we wanted to, I guess they would have picked them up a year ago. So I think people need to watch this too close to you. And then the other thing I want to comment is uh behavior of a mundobi when you go to these two that I'm gonna comment to the point of coding boy. So I'm gonna okay. So why is it calling to me to avoid? You know? And what you found, you know. The one he was talking about if it was not. And uh I think he needs to calm down if you're gonna follow us. You can't be so and you put it up and talking with the photo. So I think he needs to calm down. Because this is the evil happy with his followers all the way to the cloud. We are both abuse. So we pop it from the competition on your right uh we are your advocate for this company to go on. We have a company on my go back to the company's gonna come down because I'm cooking. Oh, they could go to the cook. So all these companies organization use as big that we give them. So I think the Boston to say you know, you know, we cannot do this because the backup is caught. That is like being like, and I think that is like big into the property on the thing people to call. Oh no, that's cool. You want to block your pink up on the bottom. So they're open, we can open that could be done. But if you put one seven, they would have lost this. So these are the things we must pay attention to. You know, uh this is actually we can use this against the president. Okay, we say if you if B7 didn't pass, we would have we would have not won the election. So this is my comment.

SPEAKER_16 1:19:15

Thank you very much, Queen Pumi. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:51

I don't want to be able to get a mass party, but I mean when I want to get what a point you should. I didn't have a teaching to become wizard. I think I'm just a mobile, I'm about to buy a wish, but I wanna pai. I've been a sandwich, I don't know, to a weather, not to one of my own, so let's win a white politician, I'll get one. A president you also have for a president, you know, like the question. No, you come in. Um I was buying a police. I must try to go by. You don't get some democracy, and I took away from a paper. It's you to wait on a democracy. I might get this by the one everyone to get a constitution. But one but why constitution that you can put out some candidate, what you're saying, yes, you won't. She goes, you know, we got the ship. You remember twenty zero nine, twenty zero eight. So I didn't want to come. So I don't want to tell you about it. I was saying what's a bad pump. Say pump, comment pump, select for my shit. Ya can I wonder. One day, to get sense, not to get some polarity problem. I'm a political party to quite.

SPEAKER_16 1:24:16

Thank you, Abon. Thank you, thank you, Ablenga from um the Hello Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Yes. Yes. Uh oh. The brother from Sri Lanka. Seems like he's caught. Uh-huh. Continue.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:29

Okay. Because you don't plan on a value. Oh, I feel a few other handbook because you put on my choice. I know that.

SPEAKER_16 1:25:57

Oh, you are cutting my brother. Let me see if I can check a few causes before we close.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:05

My embouya my key zero as a plan, you see next after brand. And very soon you will see like almost a much match as you are to brand. Because it is growing strong. So I'm a bit done.

SPEAKER_16 1:26:46

Thank you, my brother. Let me take some more calls before we close. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:00

Ambassador, this is uh Malama calling you from the Court of the Olds.

SPEAKER_16 1:27:04

Malama, give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:07

Firstly, I want to start by appreciating you for all your service to this nation.

SPEAKER_16 1:27:12

Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:15

Yes, um I would love first to remind the UPND government and particularly Mr. Hakayinde Hilema and his uh cabinet, or whoever his advisors are.

SPEAKER_16 1:27:34

Correct, yes, continue.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:47

And those are the traits that we're seeing in him. Where everything is about I, where he feels he's the only one that knows what should be.

SPEAKER_16 1:28:07

The tears of the family that we quickly wind up.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:53

I was just uh trying to say, I would like to agree with uh with the other caller who was talking about the character or the words that were used by uh Mr. at the time that he was reading. I think it's better that people are given words of hope rather than the way he was coming out in uh in the way of uh trying to say no. I love the example that he gave of uh brother so sorry, so sorry.

SPEAKER_16 1:29:34

You are cutting so much because this is a live program it becomes difficult for people to follow. But I think we got your point. Let me take the last few calls so that then we can close the broadcast. Let's take the last few calls I make my closing remarks. Make your calls, make your calls. Okay. What have I done? I pulled off the microphone cable. Um that was our broadcast today. We were discussing three particular items we should have had first number one, uh Dr. Jaffet Njovu, who's uh a member of the uh United Church of Canada and is a senior clergy from there. He's supposed to give us uh a review of our country. Uh at the last minute, he had uh uh an issue, and he will come next week. We have some guests that are lined up next week, and there are matters we are monitoring and will encourage you to participate. Uh today we're discussing the arrest of Tonsey Alliance President, uh Honorable Brian Munduwili and the issues that arose. Uh, we're discussing the PF conference that is due and that there have been seven successful candidates that are expected to participate in that election. And we also discuss the electoral calendar until next time. God bless you. We'll be back with you for all those scholars that have been trying to call. Let's try next time. At least we tried uh give you an opportunity.

SPEAKER_19 1:32:53

If you want to want to chill, we want to change, we want to change, we want to change, we want the church.