HOSTING BREBNER CHANGALA

LIVE NOW; WE HOST BREBNER CHANGALA, CIVIL SOCIETY ACTIVIST AND CLOSE ASSOCIATES OF ECL TO DISCUSS THE ELECTION OF MAKEBI ZULU

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SPEAKER_22 1:01

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SPEAKER_30 4:46

Now of the seven candidates as a presiding and retaining officer, I did disqualify Wheeler, and the disqualification was duly communicated to him for the reason that and I hold this opinion that he is not ordinarily resident in Zambia as demanded by Article 100 sub article two of the constitution. Therefore, we only have six candidates. But in the final column it was indicated another candidate got all the votes. Considered the what was called by each candidate, and the recording was new. So for that reason, this ballot was rejected.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

So the results for Eastern Province as follows Chitalu Chilufia seven Chandakatotowe ten Chishimbakambiri Zero Greyford Monde two Given Lubinda one Make Bizulu fifty one for Luapula Greyford Monday zero given Lubinda zero makebi Zulu eleven for Lusaka Province Yes Chaluchi Lufia Five Yes Chandakatot Greyford Monday for Given Lubinda Five Sorry Market thirty one for Muchinga Province Muchinga province Chita Wu Chiang This is Northern Province Gold 15 Chandaka Totobe Zero Shimba Kamwiri Zero Good Day I hope we have volume thank you very much I'm now very sensitive I don't want to start the broadcast without checking the parameters of volume but if there's any issue just type in the comment share the broadcast share the broadcast uh we have civil society activist Brebna Changala, someone who was very close to the late president Edgar Chagwalungu. He was a strong, strong critic with Sishua and other activists uh uh to President Lungu in government. But uncharacteristic, they became very, very close with the late president when he was going under persecution and when he was in retirement. Um the country will recognize that Brebuna Changala has been a very, very strong voice to ensure that the Patriotic Front is restored. He has written letters to the Chief Justice, he has condemned the delay that has occurred, and he has condemned the theft, the legal theft of the patriotic front. And with what happened over the weekend, where the patriotic front held a hybrid conference. It was in person where members of the central committee met, they formed the later um national council together with some MPs and what constitutes the National Council and voted. And then the rest of the districts were virtual, they met uh at designated centers, voted, and filed in the results as um as set by the instructions of uh the electoral commission that was led by two former attorney generals, two former senior uh people. Uh uh, you saw Abraham once, a state counsel, reading some of the results there before I interrupted. So I thought who best can comment about this results where Makebizolu emerged a winner after he faced very, very strong uh candidates in uh Dr. Chimba Kambueli, Dr. Chatalu Chilufia, engineer uh Chanda Akato Web, Honorable Greyford Monde, or acting president, Honorable Given Luvinda. After facing these candidates, Makebizulu was declared winner of this poem. And we are still dealing with that. There are various statements flying around. I thought for this broadcast we should invite one person who has been close. This has been his personal war. Not that he loves the PF, in fact, he fought the PF in government, but he thinks that the act of deplatforming the leadership of the Patriotic Front was an act against democracy and was an act against the rule of law and was a hijack of institutions such as the Registral of Society, Parliament, and the judiciary. Let me welcome Brebna uh Changala. Mr. Changala, welcome and thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_09 13:16

And uh uh good evening and good evening to your uh viewers. Farm life is as good as it were. We have got a lot of rains this season, and uh we should make use of nature because the last seasons we suffered a lot. We lost a lot of um animals, we lost the crop. But today, thank God we are back.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

Uh dealing with many matters, including your court matters. You know, you've been a vocal critic on behalf of the people to put this government to account. I recognize you are very busy, and I only invited you at very short notice. We'll not keep you very long, uh uh uh uh uh Honorable Brebna Changala. We'll let you speak for a period of one hour, then we'll let you go. The calls and others, I think you can monitor them uh uh uh on the phone. But we're going to hold you for about 45 minutes to one hour. Let's get to the gist of this matter. You don't need a briefing on this matter. Because I know to some extent, they always consulted you on this process. Just when you heard about this final uh general conference that was held, what was your view? And walk us through from what you know before you give your opinion.

SPEAKER_09 14:49

Once again, uh good evening and good evening to your viewers. We must first build a historical background. You have rightly said when the patriotic front was in power, that was not my favorite uh party for many, many reasons. And it's for that reason that I joined a group of senior citizens called OSIDA to map up a strategy on how we can stop the patriotic front going a day further than August 2021. It is from that desire and commitment that uh OSIDA decided to build a coalition of opposition political party to support the UPND, which was the largest opposition party at that time, and yet it was weak. It was weak because it was considered to be a regional party that would not get votes from other places and therefore allow the PF to continue. So we mounted a campaign and we got the Patriotic out, patriotic front out, and the UPND came in. The UPND came in on a strong belief and platform of change. The UPND came in on the platform of the restoration of the rule of law, which we all collectively thought was under siege, under attack. And when UPND won, sworn in, there came a new dawn, a new beginning. What surprised many, I included, was that the preceding weeks and months, later on a year, it became very, very clear that Mr. Akainde Ichilema had a total different agenda from what we supported. I must make it known here that we didn't give UPND support or indeed a blank check. Far from it. UPND's coming to power was to attend to many issues that made the patriotic front unfavorable. Mr. Akainde Ichilema should have carried out in the first year or in the first few months, formed a commission to carry out judicial review, judicial reforms rather. They're supposed to have a commission to carry out police reforms, a commission to carry out civil service reforms, peristatal reforms, and law enforcement reforms. We intended to have a country that is ideal, yet manageable in a manner we we relate to each other in the manner of equality, governance, and the rule of law. But what we experienced, and very clearly so in the early stages, was Mr. Again's colleagues were actually envying the patriotic front. So they will change no law to that effect, they will not operationalize the public protector. What they will do is for us to trust them as good men. Where can Piongo sat, they will put Jack Mwimbo. Where can Nanja sat as an IG, they will put him and more of that kind of changes. But what has come to pass is the change that we fought for was nothing but an illusion. We backed a wrong horse, and I would try to stop there because we are now in 2026. I have come to realize that you never back a desperate man, especially somebody desperate for state power. Let Mr. Hakainde Ichrema be the last one. When it comes to the patriotic front, it sounds strange to many that the man who was so critical of this organization will become the advocate for its survival. I have become an advocate over the patriotic front, not that because I am a member, I am not. Everybody condemned it as a sham. But it was not to be. The fingerprints, how they were done and lifted in the middle of the night, how the registrar of society was intimidated and later on removed from our office because an illegality had to be commissioned. They had to change the office bearers. That is totally unacceptable. It was an assault on our constitutional democracy. Because in a multi-party like ours, we need a strong opposition. And to do what they did was extremely unfortunate. And one would have expected that because that was a criminal act, the Republican president to uphold and protect the constitution of the land will intervene and correct this situation. I want to remind the people of Zambia that the registrar of society falls under the Ministry of Home Affairs. It's a government wing. And the registrar reports to the permanent secretary, and the permanent secretary reports to the minister, and the minister reports to the president, Republican President. You can see that no matter how much they would want to exonerate themselves, that PF Rangos are internal, it will never go away, that PF rangos are state sponsored. And it's from that premise that at the campaign, because it became clear that the problem of PF was big, because it spilled in or to the courts, our judiciary. When there was an attack on the patriotic front, the initial instinct was to go to court. Little did they know that the court has had come on board in the destruction of the patriotic front. An injunction was granted to the original team of the Patriotic Front, which was lifted three days later. And Mao Sampa started running the party while the matters are in court. Very sad. And the judge who was entering the patriotic front will perpetually adjourn these PF matters sin a deal. In other words, without a returnable date. In the meantime, somebody else is cannibalizing the party. We tried so much to make sure that the rule of law prevails and the courts don't play ball with the executive and correspondence was engaged with the judiciary. But nothing could be done. To this very day, something of normalcy is trying to show its face. But again, every time there will be a ruling or a judgment, the judge is not available, the matter is adjourned. When the judge is available, the dates are changed. The judgment is not ready. Today you are dealing with a consent order. A matter which closed on 28th November, 2025. We are in March. We are still struggling trying to get this matter straight. But that aside, in your opening remarks, you mentioned ECL. ECL is the gentleman who was the president at the time that we decided to form OCDA and get him out of power so that we can disrupt that administration. And when he lost power, I must tell you, I never thought even one moment that I will meet ECL and discuss national affairs with him. Never. But it took a day, if I'm not mistaken, in the month of April or May 2023, that in one evening I'm coming from the farm, I get a call from a former PS, Amos Marpenga. And I knew Amos when he was at the post newspaper, because I was very close to the newspaper at that time. He asked me whether I would want to meet Isiro, and I told Amos, no, it will be moral. I abused that man. I regret. I have no courage to meet him. Then he said no. Is him wants to see him. See you. I said no. What are we going to discuss? Two of us. I think we must be decent enough that we give people the latitude to rest with respect. He's got a lot of friends he had in the patriotic front. I think I'm not uh I'm not very keen. But in our conversation, I gave in. And he said a day, rather, time, that I should have dinner with the former president. Again, that was a bit strange. I, Brebina must have dinner with Mr. Edika Chagwarung. That was strange. But fast forward, that did happen. Amos took me to ECL's residence in Ibex. And what surprised me, I found two people at the entrance of the house waiting for me. That was ICL and his wife, Madame Esther, the former first lady. They received me from their entrance and ushered me in the house. When we went, we talked, three of us, the first lady, the former first lady and ECL, and she told me, let me leave you two of you. I prepare something to eat. And that left me with ECL. And ECL asked me to say, Brebna, feel free. There's nothing to fear here because I was a bit apprehensive. Says, feel free. Why I want you, I want you to interview me. Ask me all the questions on the things that I did wrong while I was in power. I said, that's good. I asked the president, I said, Mr. President, can you allow me to record my conversation with you? Because I was a bit uncomfortable. And in his usual way of doing things, he agreed. And we had to summon almost outside. Almost recorded my conversation with Ishieru, my first contact with him, for one hour, 30 minutes, if I'm not mistaken. The phone's battery just ran out. I am telling this background because what will come out from that dinner was a lifetime of friendship anchored on trust, which was well verified. ECR would not spend a day to the day he died without giving me a call or me giving a call. I used to talk to ECL nearly every day with an average of three to four times in a on various issues to a point that I came to know PF, and that's why I'm talking about this. I knew too much about PF. I knew who is who but PF. I knew who laughs with who, who talks to who, who doesn't talk to who. I am privy to the rivalries in the patriotic front. And in the last six or nine months since the death of ICL, I have played a background role of trying to unite this political party because of too many vested interests and much of them state sponsored. You can see them. And it's for that reason I am in I have been in contact with the Munduviras of this world, with most of the parliamentarians. I became for the first time very close to given Rubinda, we are very close, Nakachinda, wonderful human being. And I am a friend of those who are trying to bring the Patriotic Front to life. In the last four or five months, there has been this election in the Patriotic Front, which has been, they have failed to host for various challenges, and one of them legal, because PF matters are in the patriotic front. And for some reason, this is where leadership failure becomes a danger to national security. For some reason, we have a guy called Chavinga who is recognized by the UPND leadership and celebrated. This is a gentleman who claims to be PF president, but you never find him in PF groupings. Never. But wherever there is a UPND is even given a platform to speak, to even attack the Patriotic Front colleagues. When matters are in court and the custodian of the Constitution, Mr. Again Ichreema, smiles with so much happiness that they have got a willing distractor of the patriotic front. To him and many of his colleagues, they celebrate Chabinga. Despite that what he's doing is not in the best interest of the country. And I know life is a circle. Chavinga will be answerable someday. And the gallery is playing two, the UPND gallery will not be there for him. This government should have assisted people like Chavinga to be normal and do what is right for the benefit of our constitutional democracy. This has delayed, and citizens of this country in the opposition can't even meet to carry out their constitutional mandate of mobilizing canvassing and wood raries to call and spread their manifestos. They fear the state police will clamp on them. As if Zambia is a police state. And you know, this only happens to the opposition. The ruling party can do anything out of this world, and they will go home and sleep. Democracy in this country is under siege. We are an endangered democratic country. We are sliding or sleepwalking into authoritarian state. Let's come to the election of Makebi. The election of Makebi has been done in the most extraordinary and challenging manner, but I would only say congratulations. Where there is a will, there is a way. And again, this is an election that was dividing the patriotic front. There are those who have been pushing for this convention from last year to the point where those who are not patient had to walk away and go to Tonse and later on FDD. Because they wanted this convention like yesterday. And Lubinda held steadfast that we can't hold this convention because of ABCD and a lot of challenges along the way. The convention has survived a lot of legal and technical landmines which could explode and mem anytime. And today, the people who are pushing for this convention from last year, they are the first people to attack this convention. And here, I will single out. I read an article this morning when I woke up, written by Dr. Lawrence Muero, an academician, very intelligent citizen. A mind that we celebrate. He has attacked the convention, but he doesn't explain how he finds himself on the other side. It was out of impatience, not being patient, because Rubinda was too slow. Now Rubinda organizes something they always wanted, they attack it. Because all things being equal, it must favor them. So sometimes it's important to understand where you are coming from and where you are going. If there is any people that must attack the convention that brought me Makeby to the PF presidents, the last people must come from Tonse. Those PF men and women who have migrated. That's my next line. This grouping of Makebi must start today to work together with the Munduvile team. They must start today to work together with the Ari Karavaz team. They must start today to work together with the Kapembwa Simbao's team. We must put up a coalition of opposition. This is not a time to be selfish. You will be swallowed. We have a government in place that does not regard the rule of law as a way of life and the cardinal necessity. You will perish if you remain selfish. I am speaking as a guilt man who supported the UPND and Mr. Akainde Ichilema in the opposition. I stood by him. And I keep on saying there are moments he stood on my shoulders.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

We were thank you, Breton. Thank you for the historical insights. They are so important. Some facts I'm only learning now. I knew you were very close to the late president, but some facts you've revealed are very, very important. This election was organized by the PF, led by Given Lubinder. We've recognized that they've attempted to legally remove his legitimacy and legality of the PF, but everyone has accepted that Honorable Given Lubinda holds the PF together. The conference that he has organized that has elected his successor, Makebizulu, and successor to the late President Edgar Lungo is being attacked. That is not a PF conference. You who has traversed, gone to the judiciary, gone to the chief justice, gone everywhere, spoke to the church, spoke to everyone. Then you have spoken to all the faction in the patriotic front. What is your view about this uh outcome? Is this a PF president?

SPEAKER_09 43:25

Let it be known to all those who love this country. That there must be a time of reflection. There must be a time to move forward. The election that was conducted by Given Rubinder must be supported. This is an election where the organizer actually lost. That's how important just that piece. This is an election which has been held in a manner not to offend the legal cases that are pending, which other people want to use as a leverage to discredit this election. It will not work. Zambians are resolved. They need to move forward. Any impediments or any distractions by those who think for some reason the patriotic front is, but their own cherished baby, they will regret. In my movement with ECL, up to this very day that I am on TV, I want to say it publicly that the Patriotic Front is not just a political party. I've come to realize the Patriotic Front is not just a movement. The Patriotic Front has a soul. This is a party that has remained intact as the leadership is destabilized, both internally and externally. But the grassroots is intact, firm, loyal, and resolved. This new leadership must be celebrated. Wait for Friday, 27th judgment. If it will be there, again, it's with caution. If it will be there, because this country today is unpredictable. All systems are in disarray by design. So if Friday comes and makes one of the most important pronouncement on the patriotic front, we must find a way on how to synchronize the election of Makebi Zulu and the judgment which I must pronounce must give back Patriotic Front to the owners. The original owners. And the original owners belongs to ECR. And upon his demise, the original owners remained with Given Lwinda, Rafael Nakachinda, Jenny Kapata, and many in that grouping. Those are the original owners who have to chart the spirit of PF in this very short space of time that they have remained with to go to the firing of a presidential candidate, and indeed parliamentarians and counselors, council chairman, and mayors. So at this point in time, it will not help to continue in fighting. What we must fight, I will repeat, is for Mundubile, Makebi, Hari Kalaba, Kapimbwasimbao, Sakuiba Scota, Chalakateka, to come together and have that spirit of Kenneth Kaunda Munukal Mbasparo Mundia Nanumino Mundia Mainza Chona Kumbula Mungoni Liso. Ham from that spirit of the nation faced before positions. Because it is like now everybody wants a position and the country later. It will not do. What we are going into is a struggle for second independence. This is cardinal. We have lost so much in terms of rights, freedoms, and liberties. They have been taken away. Using parliament and other under uh uh underhand methods, this country is divided. Nobody must cheat you. When I appeal to President um uh uh to co a nation or in daba, it's not a joke. I am a citizen, I move amongst people, I listen and I hear. People are whispering because if they speak louder than Chandara, they will go to jail. There is sedition, there is hate speech, and that's eight speech and sedition is only meant for a certain section of our citizens, and it exempts another section of our citizens. The targets, the abuse is astronomical. We are living in a frightened society where you need to prepare yourself before you comment on any matter as to whether you have a lawyer. This is a this this this only happened in the colonial days and in the second republic of Dr. Kenneth David Kaounda. I never knew that after 20 uh after August 2021 general election, we would have a scared nation. Pushed in a corner of silence and fear. And the men and women governing us, they see nothing. If anything, they celebrate. Zambians must reclaim their country. You can't have a government which came to power through a general election, not allowing the opposition for four and a half years to hold a rally, as if they are committing a crime. And yet Zambia is a constitutional democracy where political parties have a right to mobilize canvas, they have a right to communicate, they have a right to sell their manifesto, they have a right to appeal, they have a right to criticize the government's shortcomings. Those are checks and balances. They are not criminal acts or indeed statements of hate. Hate against who? 61 years after independence, somebody can bring a hate speech charge. No.

SPEAKER_03 51:55

Thank you. Thank you for the time. We need to free ourselves. I promise that I'll let you on because of our prior discussion that within one hour I'll let you go. But I'll remain with the callers and then comment on what Honorable Brebna Changala has the monumentous words that he has said. My last question, and before you give your last remarks, then we open the phone lines. This country is going to uh general uh elections. The electoral calendar is kicking uh in on 15th April, uh, when presidential candidates uh are required to submit hundred province, a thousand uh uh registered voters to the ECZ. The calendar clearly is kicking in. Of worry is it possible that Zambia can have a credible, democratic, free and fair election? I'm saying this because the registrar of societies and the electoral process is being used to bar opponents. When they deplatformed the leadership of the Patriotic Front, people thought it's only the Patriotic Front. Now we have seen just recently in the last one month, we have seen the young man Peter Chander, Pastor Peter Chander, removed from the office bearers at Registrar of Society illegally. So Peter Chander and NCP have been separated. We have seen Sebastian Kopland, he petitioned the misconduct of the speaker. And the following week, in a few days, there was a purported conference under his party, and there was you know changes have been made, and again Sebastian Copland has been deplatformed, is fighting that matter. We've seen the case of Savoy Imboela. Clearly, we are hearing again issues around other political parties of what's happening at the registrar. I think we are in grave danger. Is it possible that we can have uh a democratic, free and fair elections? And what can we do in this uh uh last minute with all these happenings?

SPEAKER_09 54:15

Well, Ambassador, you have raised you raised very important questions, and I will attend to that. But before I proceed, I will do injustice if I don't make the last appeal to President Akainde Ichlema to search his soul, I ask him, I ask him, in the best interest of this country, to allow burial of ECL. He holds the key. Can he ask Attorney General Kabesha to drop the matter in South Africa and allow the family to bury ECL? Why do I say so? These statements of deception that we want to honor ICR because he is our former president does not hold water. He abused him to the letter. He had no time for ECL. ECR was called a criminal. And to illustrate that, the entire biological children of ECL were dragged to court, to DEC, to SEC to humiliate him. The question that he must consider and the people of Zambia must ask: where do you honor a criminal with a state funeral? It doesn't work that way. You when Isiero died, I expected President Akainde Hema to address the nation, eulogize ICR, and credit him with many things that he did for this country. From an MP to a minister in the vice president office, to the minister of justice, minister of home affairs, secretary general of the patriotic front, acting president on many occasions, and later on Republican president. A national address. It has never happened. They jumped the gun. We want to honor him. No. A private funeral for all those who are not in good state with their countrymen and women. The entire family. Just the other day, his house in Livala was raided. And the statement from DC says it was an abandoned house. That's not an abandoned house. That house belongs to one Edgar Chagwa Lungu. May he so rest in eternal peace. Mr. President, take a step back. Allow your brother to rest in eternal peace without drama. He suffered while alive. He was humiliated while alive. He's suffering in death. He has been humiliated in death. There must be a closure as we go to a general election. Thank you. Let's go to the newcoming filing in readiness for a general election, 13th August 2026. All things being equal, I can tell you here and now, this election of 2026 will not be like any other election. That I'm not a prophet, but I can see it being shamboric. Because the managers and key players are not showing signs of good faith, of being honest. They want to temper with everything because they have got certain individuals or political parties which they don't want to see on the ballot. This is the behavior and conduct of a political party that has lost favor. This is the behavior of a political party that has failed to deliver. This is the conduct of a failed project. UPND is a failed project. So they are trying to work with systems in order to exclude bona fide Zambians who are supposed to be on the ballot and compete favorably. Standing in an election in Zambia is not a favor, is a constitutional right. Constitutional right. You should not be segregated by legislations which are ill-conceived. That will not be an election. It will be a sham election. What they are allowed everybody who has the energy, ambition, and time to be on the ballot, not through restrictions and illustrations. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:43

Thank you very much. This was an election to get uh a leader in the patriotic front. And because of his unique relationship with uh President Edgar Chagualungo, and also the role he has played to attempt to reconcile the many factions in the PF. He is uh a relentless fighter for unity in the opposition. There's no opposition leader that he hasn't spoken to, that he hasn't sat with. He has even this late tower, you have seen that uh Brebna Changala is calling for unity in the opposition, not just in the PF, but in the opposition, so that they go to election as a formidable force. Do you have any last words before I release you and before I open phone lines?

SPEAKER_09 1:01:51

My appeal to Honorable Mundubide, wherever he is, if he's listening, is to pick up a phone and greet Makei and congratulate him. I know he has not done so. I urge him to do it. Um I know Ari Karab has done it. Uh I ask Kapemboa Simbao to do it. What I'm trying to arrive at, I want these people to start talking. Is only when you start talking are you going to agree on the roadmap. Nobody must feel bigger than the other. Makebi, you are the new kid on the block, and you represent the youth of this country. Reach out to Lubinda, Shelakateka, reach out to Muhabilungu, to Chulumanda, Sakuiba Scota, and many, and seek the counsel and the wisdom of Prince Akashamba Tuambikusta Lewanika and our elder brother Mbitachitara. You have no choice but a round table. Don't listen to this popularity which can be fake. Sometimes I've seen it. You create an inbuilt popularity, then externally you are vulnerable until you agree to push the vehicle of change together. You you will suffer and you will cry. So, Honorable Munduvire, Makebizuru, Hari Karaba, our Lady Shiarakateka, you do not have a day or two of luxury. Call each other tonight. By Friday, we want to hear that you have met. We don't want to hear what you discussed. Just that coming together. I know there is this belief that one can do it on his own. No. It is not possible. We have a big machine, state machinery, big machine. And we know the opposition, you are short on resources. The resources you have are the people and unity. It's enough. Let the UPND remain with this cash and checkbook. You go to the people as one people, with one leader, with one ambition. And the message is you are coming to change the way the police is managed in this country before we surrender our rights and freedom to the state police other than our elected officials. Thank you and good night.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:08

Thank you very much. Brebna, um, I would like to thank you and thank you. You came at short notice to come and help give guidance. God bless you. And to our dear viewers, we're hosting civil society activist, rights and human rights activist Brebna Changala. Um, I will I'll go for a short break, and when we return, you can call. Honorable Brebna Changala will be listening by phone. If there will be no need to get to him for any specific issue, it will it will be. But you can now call after the break. We are becoming monotonous.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:48

What we need to do to 11 April I mean one of the meat poor crossbugs. What does that mean? It's very important.

SPEAKER_22 1:06:47

You guess the challenge, the narrative. Unfair what power high. Speaking truth to power from the grassroots to the highest of it. EMP. Speaking truth to power from the crossroads to the highest of it. EMV.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:43

Dear viewers, the lines are open. Make your contributions. We're hosting Honorable Brebna Changala, civil society activist and OCDA leader. Make your contribution. Introduce yourself and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_27 1:08:00

Hello.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:01

Yes, you are on. Please make your contributions.

SPEAKER_27 1:08:05

All right. This is Honorable Hanchega from Mazabuga, calling you. I think if I mwamba, the and I want to tell you the truth. The truth of the matter is that as it is now, Zambia needs a person that is known in this country. Zambia doesn't need a person that will come to experiment because we are we are tired of.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:39

Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_29 1:09:24

And the chap showed it. Can I chat in? Every foon that you guys have. I'll go see if you're not in register, Ukonama Papi.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:29

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:34

Hello, good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:36

Good evening.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:38

Uh Tandiwe Ketish Ngoma calling you from Slovenia.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:42

My dear sister, the researcher, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:46

Yes, Ambassador Mwamba. Uh I just want to say thank you to Uncle Brebna, um, the civil rights activist for speaking truth to power. And uh I just want to agree with him um more especially on the issue to do with the burial of uh our former president um Dr. Edgar Chagwalungo. Okay, so looking in Bavakuat once a tomb for I'm equally making an appeal. I think this is not the first time I'm making such an appeal. I've written open letters to him, I've written um people have have have spoken to him. He is just adamant that his predecessor should still be in the morgue after this time. We are going in the tenth month. It will soon be tenth, it will soon be tenth month from the time that Iseo died and his remains are still in the morgue. I know most of the UPND supporters will say it's the Lungu family. I'm saying this, and I want this narrative narrative to be corrected. The Lungo family have not refused to have Isaio buried in Zambia. What they have what they want is his wishes to be respected. And what are those wishes? The wishes of the former president Edgar Chagua Lungo were that in an event that he died. His successor should not preside over his funeral, nor be anywhere near his remains. And Haga Chilema should be the last person to talk of dignity. The only dignity that ICO can get from HS is when HH respects his final wishes. Please let your predecessor rest in peace. Withdraw that case to South Africa and respect the final wishes of your predecessor. What legacy are you going to live? When he was alive, he was mistreated. This is the history that our kids will be learning about you, President Hara Indechuema. This is the legacy that you are going to live. No. Because it's as good as free education, it has to be of quality. Away from that, I get back to Ija Chidabalo. What legacy are you going to leave behind? The legacy that you mistreated your predecessor to an extent that you have one nine solid months without being buried. Is this what you want to be remembered for? You want to be remembered to be the president that arrested almost all opposition political members and critics that spoke truth to power. You want to be remembered as a person who never wanted to be criticized. Were you ready to be a president of Zambia? Because if you decide to be a leader, you have you need to have a fixed king. You would give me charges after charges, and I would rot in hell. Sorry, I would rot in jail. People are not able to speak. What I'm saying now, if I were in Zambia today, President Awande Chilema would not spare me. He would send the police who have begun the UPNG operators now to come after me because he does not want to be criticized. He does not want to be told the truth. But I'm here to tell you the truth, Mr. President. It's something that would not be wished on you because if it is a taboo, Mr. President, how do you feel? How are other presidents looking at you in the region? How are other presidents looking at you? Are you comfortable? Are you free? Mr. President, please. I'm making another appeal to you. Let your predecessor rest in peace. Allow the family, the privacy to respect his final wishes. You are the last person who should talk about giving it your dignified funeral. Sorry to say that this you wished him dead. Because if you never, you could have allowed him to want to seek medical attention. But you never, now that he's dead, you can't be the first person to want to give him dignity. You are but a disgrace. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:32

Thank you very much, Tandiwe Katie Singoma from Slovenia. Um, allocola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_12 1:17:51

Okay, this is Sydney Chirufia calling you.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:56

Yes, Sydney.

SPEAKER_12 1:17:58

Hello?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:59

Yes, thank you, Sydney. Proceed. Proceed, proceed. Make your contribution, my brother. Make your contribution quickly. There are so many calls.

SPEAKER_12 1:18:26

Okay. Number. It's just a quick advice. We really need our PF to be on the ballot. Not only that, the other thing is Christian division, eight pages, other now we are counting Bamakebi to be our presidential candidate. Whereby Babran Munduvichwa formia. Yes, Babran Munduvire can do better. Can you help us in order to reconcile these two people so that at least they can make in order for us to change?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:22

Thank you. Thank you. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_26 1:19:30

Thank you so much, Ambassador Member. Uh Charles Mbewe underline.

unknown 1:19:34

Mr.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:34

Mbewe, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_26 1:19:37

Thank you. Uh congratulations to MZ Mate Bizuru for scoping the presidential um position in the uh the race that uh was just being conducted. Um we thank God for everything, and uh we congratulate to those that uh participated in the uh elections and uh we salute uh you know to our big man, our uh the man, uh Honorable Kevin Dwinda, for the wisdom that um he has applied so far. Um coming to the issues that are happening, honorable member, is that uh I've met a lot of uh civic leaders, uh those that in civil um uh departments, more especially if police, army, doctors, uh teachers, all these that are under the government are asking that these people should unite. And they have no one to rescue them from the trouble that they are going on uh through in these ministries. These ministries that you see people driving these GRAZ vehicles are going through pain. You can't understand, most especially when they are speaking to you one-on-one. That's when you can get the sense to say Zambians are suffering, not only those that are unable to buy MiriMe, but those that are working in the CIV, the uh in the government departments are under pressure. They really want the opposition to unite and they are ready to vote for them come 20, uh come 13th August 2026. So, our call is to see it that all the leaders that means well to the Zambian people should come on board and work together. Please, we pray for all of them to have wisdom and to remove the bitterness of each other and just think about the Zambians first. God bless you, Emanuel Mamba. Continue doing what you're doing. And as the uh previous callers said, please, we are asking you to make sure that these top leaders should unite.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:54

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_26 1:21:57

We are ready to go. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:58

Thank you very much. Um, colleagues, as you are calling, and because uh Brebna Changala has mentioned names of leaders in the opposition, you know the rule here. Don't disparage one against the other. Remember, we we want them united. If you want them united, don't condemn any of the leaders. I think speak positively just to help build uh what uh everyone is trying to do. Do not disparage one leader against the other. That's the only instruction I can give so that the conversations remain decent. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:38

Uh good evening, uh Mr. Emmanuel, and good evening, Mr. Shangha. Uh, my name is uh Joseph. I'm calling from Dora. Yeah, um I just want to comment on this, you know, Mr.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:52

Mwamba, we love you so much for the help and the exact capacity that you have been doing to ensure that these opposition leaders uh become the only problem that I have seen. I don't know why is it like the fact is why is it like this PM because PF has already gone and we know what is happening. But the issue is this every time was gone, we are giving it one month. So we are one month, uh one one month and uh one week to go for hello, are you there?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:44

Oh hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and tell us your contributions.

SPEAKER_18 1:23:51

Thank you very much, Ambassador Mwamba. My name is Uncle Jay.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:56

Yes, Uncle Jay. Thank you. Make your contribution, my dear brother.

SPEAKER_18 1:24:00

Great. Um, how I wish I could actually listen to Blevina Changala the whole day, you know. Um, thank you so much for bringing him up. Um, my call is uh just to echo what uh Kandua Keti Singoma said. Let the president step aside and allow the Lungu family to bury our beloved 60th president, Edgar Chagwarung. May he saw rest in peace. There is nothing that uh they can tell the Zambian people. We know where the problem is, we know the person that is stopping this from happening, the president himself. If he did that, we will be very, very happy. Uh speaking on the uh election of Makebe Zuru, I think uh those that wish him to fail, it will not happen. Uh, those that are trying to bring and discredit that convention, it will not happen. Makebe is the president of PF. And all the people in Zambia, all the structures in Zambia are with Makebi. Makebe is indeed anointed, and I'm calling upon those that truly believe in God. God has presented a leader before you who fears him and worships him. Let us support Makebi Zulu. Thank you so much, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:31

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_33 1:27:01

So you bring my younger pose up. Why you should have a nanny, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:42

Cola score, please call. We we we we we hear your voice. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from Hello?

SPEAKER_32 1:27:52

Yes, please make your contribution of L2 Bamba. Missiva given Rovinda. So if you are showing never given Rovinda, if you might have to make Zuru, just a little bit of a member of the people. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:56

Thank you very much. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:30:03

Um, Dr. K calling from Montana.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:06

Oh, Dr. Calonde, yes, my dear brother, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:30:10

Yeah, well, Mamba, I have two things to say actually. Uh I'll first start with the just accepting that uh we have uh small issues in our uh running of our country, most especially the opposition. And I'm happy that uh at a certain point, it seems like uh it's a final and it's getting to the point whereby now we are going to get out what we want uh to be to use during the final option of. Let's hope it goes back to a little bit. We must understand that this is not about one, this is not about Makobi, this is not about Mbugu, this is not about this is about the people of me to number for if we want to put our name around and forget about the people that want to lose, then we are not doing anything, we're not doing any justice to that country. We cannot allow the situation that is providing right now to continue, and the only way that the situation could continue is well and of course the opposition does not work together as a team. Uh up to now I still recording two and the one how we defeated union with uh one government one one one um one president and one party sport that's how we defeated that we put them together. Um if zombies if zombies are not going to put the world together and this one should continue the window. I'm not gonna lie, this is my job as a professor. I'm only gonna love things. If we don't do anything, we're going to see the situation that is in Uganda previously in Kanzama. We're going to see the situation that is previously in Kanzama. Are we going to allow that for Zambia? And we're supposed to go back to our roots, go back to the growing people, and fix ourselves. Nobody's gonna fix us. Nobody's gonna fix us. We have to fix ourselves as opposition and as a people of Gang. The second part of what I want to talk about. The discussion of putting our chief of that discussion of the government. The government should move our chief alone. The government should leave our chief alone. What the government is to do, the government move alone. Our chief must be respected, and our truth must be respected. Do whatever they want, they say whatever they want to say, because it was quite bringing back into your discussions. He's not a political leader, and he does not want to be a political leader, he has over. You can say anything about us, but leave our chief. Leave our chief.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:50

Indeed, I stand with you. Let's not harass our traditional authorities. Let's not do that. Thank you very much, Dr. uh Professor Kalondi. Thank you very much. Around please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:06

This is the Rafael Chand calling from Livingstone.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:10

Rafael, make your contributions. Yes, no, thank you. Thank you very much. No, thank you very much. I had I had your playlander if you're playlander, I had directed that for all callers. I'm always sensitive on this program that we don't disparage any other leader. We don't want you to disparage Makebizulu or Honorable Harikalawabi or Honorable Bran Munduide or Honorable Dr. Fred Membe, KBF, and others. We want you to be respectful, even in your proposal. You show how respectful uh Brebna Changala was, and you, the listeners, ought to do that. Yes, we are calling for unity, but let's not disparage other leaders. I think that's been the instruction.

SPEAKER_13 1:38:13

Thank you very much, my brother. How are you?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:15

Very well, thank you, my brother. How are you? Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_13 1:38:21

Uh, my contribution is that uh that was a masterpiece program. Point by point, I agree with everything that Branda Changala said. And I would urge all opposition political parties to listen to this. And those who have missed it, make sure Ambassador Manu Mama, that they listen to it. Number one, he said that we know the opposition have got little resources. Their resources is the people plus units. That is the resources that the opposition has. And I want to seize this opportunity, of course, to congratulate Makebizuru for winning to be the president of the Patriotic Front. And we want to tell him that we are going we are going to support him to the hill. We will do everything possible that to support him. But what we are saying is that you should heed the advice that was given here. The opposition should start talking right now.

SPEAKER_14 1:39:28

Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_31 1:39:31

That is it.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:35

But brother, your line is hanging. Oh, your line is hanging. Try, let's try again. Continue.

SPEAKER_13 1:39:44

And you see, he was inexact. He was going to my internet today. How is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:52

Yeah, it's better.

SPEAKER_13 1:39:54

Can I proceed?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:55

Yeah, proceed quickly and wind up.

SPEAKER_13 1:39:58

So he further went on to say that never support a desperate man. When you see somebody desperate or political power, never can never support such a person. So, in conclusion, what I'm saying is that let us, these opposition political parties, if they are going to be so selfish, they will perish. We are asking for all of them to ensure that they come together. But surprisingly, I I I took note of all opposition leaders that he mentioned. And surprisingly, he didn't mention uh the socialist party president Fred Membe. It's he who has mentioned it, but he didn't mention it. So we are appealing to all opposition political parties to ensure that they can.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:47

No, he mentioned uh he mentioned Dr. Dr. Fred Meme at the beginning, he did mention him.

SPEAKER_13 1:40:54

Oh, okay, then I I just must have missed that that that one. Yes. What we are saying and pleading is that let the opposition political parties, all of them, heed this advice. If they are going to become self and greedy, if they are going to put their titles ahead of Zambia, then they will perish. And I want to agree vehemently with each and every line that was put. This program is a classic, it was a masterpiece program. Ambassador Manuamu. Now Miguel Wambi, my brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:28

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_13 1:41:29

Thank you very much for your literature effort in bringing us this platform.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:33

Thank you. Thank you. Indeed, I think uh Make I mean uh Brebna Changala reviewed. I also acknowledged some of the things you said there were so important. So Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_20 1:41:49

Uh good evening, uh Ambassador Imano Mwamba. Uh and uh greetings to our father, uh Mr. Changala. My name is Andrew.

unknown 1:41:58

Yes, Andrew.

SPEAKER_20 1:42:00

Yes, uh first I just wanted to first and foremost, I wanted to congratulate uh the Patriotic Front for holding uh uh the conference under very difficult circumstances. I think uh there is a will, there is a way, and I think uh under the circumstances, under the prevailing circumstances, I think they they they did a commendable job. I would like to thank uh uh uh the former president, uh Mr. President Givenomenda. Um I think who led the party through this period. I think it did its best to hold uh the party together with the leadership Ambassador Manu Member and the Central Committee and uh and all the other leaders, uh job more than to you. Um two, I want to uh I want to agree with our father, uh Mr. Chambela, that uh the opposition leaders must unite. And I think uh he he he called on uh President Makebizuru to begin to immediately begin uh talking to his colleagues, uh those with uh those with interest of the country. Uh I want to agree with him uh because I think it's not everyone uh that can come on board. So uh we are most appealing to our father, Mr. Changala, if he could also be part of uh that team to try and bring people in these other opposition leaders together. I know, Mr. Mamba, you have guided uh that uh we should not discourage other leaders, and uh and I want to respect that. But uh I just uh feel that uh and my comment is not with all due respect, it's not to disparage anyone, but I I just feel compelled that uh want to register my displeasure and my disappointment with what uh our uh our older brother did, uh honorable uh honorable. Um would have loved Mamundule to to exercise a little bit uh of patience, I would have loved him to hang in a bit and uh you know be part of the process. I would have loved him to be part of that process, but alas uh uh he went and participated in uh in a meeting that is deemed illegal, and in that meeting, together with Wazumani and others, they made a decision to expel PEF the Anka Party, which is very unfortunate. Up to now, Nalwamushok ambassador. Um up to now I I don't believe I don't understand what really happened and what really caused Wamunduri to to engage in such an illegal act. But my prayer is that uh one day you will come around and get back um uh to the PF and uh you know reconcile with everyone so that uh they work together with everyone to save the majority of Zambians.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:08

Thank you, my brother.

SPEAKER_20 1:45:09

Uh I'm very support uh thank thank you, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:12

Thank you, thank you. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions. Oh sorry, sorry, I have to cut that line, it's just cracking. I'm sorry. Um, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_28 1:46:03

Yeah, my my name is Caroline. I'm calling from East London, South Africa.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:08

Yes, Caroline. Make your contribution, my dear sister.

SPEAKER_28 1:46:28

So I never president, ukubumba. He's a straight man.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:37

Thank you, my dear sister. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_28 1:46:40

Okay, Natalia Bamba.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:47

Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:52

Yes, Mamwamba Mr. You already select to Paula Bayama Changara Mr.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:04

M quiet, I believe.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:14

So NFO gran. Uncle Premna, you are very experienced in this uh you know the governance issue. Look, we have a new leader in his own. And I know that people didn't think he was going to win, but he has won. Now you need to tell me let him be decisive, let him show leadership now.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:59

Oh, phones are hanging, phones are hanging. Sorry, we lost you there. We lost you there. Repeat your thoughts quickly. Thank you very much. Hello Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions. Hello We'll be stopping on the hour. We want to take your calls. Make your contributions your own. Oh the lines are hanging, I wonder what is happening. The lines are hanging.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:00

Info Ialufiengo. Uria wea lu. Ewa ishiliambukui panga kwatina karimo. E ulifu kumukusu shall. Uriamuna chichaya kumubi. Fue venezambia. Wala mona Simon Mwewa lane barila. Bamachika munika barila. Aba intu Aba Pusana Pusana Barila Nimbelinga Lelu kweba tibakateka. Aba Landa Tiba Kate Bonsebadi Abakwete Molu badi mfu Iria.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:43

Naichefia kuchin so chakwalesa Nakba Fia Abalito ba president Bachaluches Naleta Mashi weakwa nasa and kuri David Natwakateka Nimwe Elonwa leto Babana wakwe amaway Nimwe E challenge Havana Vese Bambiokumitoba my Bakateka Gamule fwa ma shui Ia Nimwe we batovele isia ma we faila Watoba by it this now we are my way to me on one cash and I look at my teaching which is one less win at you like one bullet could be my shit. I don't go checking up. I didn't have a bread. Oh, my men is never again. Do it, dad look like a shampoo. Oh, therefore, if you try fine and say so many shema key. If I do one timer. Nellobakuba mammy. Uh you know quite to make an emotion to chimbo.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:15

Thank you, my dear sister. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Emotional call there, call for repentance and call for togetherness. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_14 1:55:37

Oh this is South Africa from Canada.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:39

Yes. Make your contribution, my brother.

SPEAKER_15 1:56:12

Politics is about numbers.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:36

Don't disparage anyone, don't praise one leader against the other. The instructions are very clear. If we are talking unity, let's not clash our leaders, let's speak unity. Let's not even compare them.

unknown 1:56:51

So what should we talk about?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:52

What you should talk about is what you wish to talk about. If you are of the view that uh uh certain leaders should unite, speak about that. I don't want you to praise one leader and disparage the other. No, that's not the spirit of the program.

SPEAKER_15 1:57:09

Oh alright. So, what I'm trying to say is the two of them should be united, they shouldn't just uh separately go, no. If they go like that, they'll suffer a lot of consequences. Let only one stand from the PF. Because we cannot assume that Blanimund is not PF, it's still PF. Even the people that he has taken are PF members. So let one of them stand, not two of them, otherwise they would regret.

unknown 1:57:42

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:43

Thank you, my brother. Thank you very much. Hello, callers. I'm taking the last three. I'm taking the last three calls. Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_24 1:57:54

Amamba, uh, mine have got a very serious concern this evening. Amamba, Aba Mawa Baba Deri Langa, for Chile Chaluchi is Chiledi Mbu Chile, umuropa. A mumba mantunaba fosana Demi Mantunaba Fasana Mzambia. Casen City Mine Kuriaba e chema difangembua Genama Sham Panga. Bambu mwa chiku mfurio kubam kung kiriale kuitu umga munganda. Mamu sho tiremfu tumwaiche. A mumba fingevia sana bamba bantuba mfufu mantuwa fudemichu. Kufuwa fiat basumi mrupa. Bamwamba, nachanafukulanda kuchung kunki sa na muich mi chungulu. Democracy yesuya kovati, bambiama yun peas bammuamba tabananda kulanda. Abamu ba ba democracy actuama yum peas babashkana inveti uh privacy. They have been recorded paramanti, they have been monitored paramet. We have reached a point when mwambaya kova tamayung peace mafukastuanutu nuno. That's why mwana wokali kravya koba neri mutti mamuna. M peas who come and despite what I'm saying to say they have been watched, they have been mic. But mwamba democrastakuma bea kobatina we can a fino fini, baka pokula baisa kuka foni mambu kuba bam bambu kubiko computer invading your privacy. Nainama sai bambueda. Bamwamba phontrus umga moufin twing. If you bata famuntu mona noni kapukanuri nani. Chimuchalo chari kwatasanu mutin deu ta mzambia nunga de mwa ukuleto ukuchim furunganemuchalo chzambia to musha fino. Gafiasti ruba brani mundubidi. A brani munduna patene to Leland, ma Zambian ada poka ma phoni agu siata tu. Oba Balamundu le tela mama face qua poifunu Zambia. The democracy no dictatorship. Because in a democracy, every person is entitled to privacy, and a lot of people are not talking about it. This thing is out of order. I'm my MP is the bakwata privacy, I want to forbid them we don't have privacy, and I mumba got the right to talk to you. I've got the right to talk to my chief. I've got the right to curanda na machief unkula, I've got the right to talk na mamwamba but mwunba. I've got the right to talk to my friend, any friend in Zambia. I don't see a point even kutuchita divide to a point of ka. Uh uh king kubla, mulando. Fu to king kuba isuntu to Amerika kuya to bekum de stitia. What ambiani? Batana kufikumati, to the fanisu Bamelantana ma chief wambu male samuka taka munguba edika munguba tukana, bamikata, umba chief wamakanya. Apabanamuku pamu. Chi nem tobade mumba mambish and education. Mametama mtubach villagi, president Made pituta filifia musamu filifia musarula. Bamunako bapita president inabadi pita, beda femuchinch made pita mibu because in opposition ye respected. But in a sense that you can president, for bad. The keniaban to my touche, the kakirabanabu, mumfwa, not push offa, for tribabemba. Uka ki no mumfubi.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:25

Thank you, my brother. Thank you very much. Thank you for your contribution. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_19 2:02:33

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:35

Good evening.

SPEAKER_19 2:02:36

Um, I wanted to call earlier, but then but then I changed my mind. I thought people were making contributions that I was enjoying this thing until that woman came and made that very passionate and emotional submission. My name is Um Anonymous from the land of AI. Yes, Anonymous. And and I just feel sometimes when you have a conversation like this, maybe you just want to have some kind of some kind of something to hang on to, you know, because it's been a very deep uh program that you've had today. So I just wanted to make a contribution, maybe three parts to it very briefly.

SPEAKER_31 2:03:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_19 2:03:13

And one, I'm just proposing for us to consider this process. Perhaps as we go to 2026 August, we need to be clear what we want. We know who we don't want. We know we don't want a high end Islam. We need to remove him, uh, the way that he's doing things, and the you know, all this kind we know. But we need to also be clear about exactly what we want. Um, and I think the first thing that this country needs, a lot of people will give it different names. Uh, we need healing, we need works, and I think I'll call it renewal. And and the reason I'm I'm calling it renewal is because of that verse in the Bible that says, repent, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence, the presence of God. That's Acts chapter 3, verse 19. I think we need refreshment, but refresh, uh, we need a moment. Number eight, the eighth president, the number eight, represents renewal, refreshing, okay? Starting again, starting afresh. And for us to be able to come to that place, there has to be certain things that must be made. That there has to be repentance. So we don't just repent, but we get converted. We change our ways, we turn away from sin and we receive forgiveness. When those things happen, then renewal can take place. So we can't speak about renewal without repentance, without convention, without forgiveness of sin. It's very critical. So we need to be able to see, to be clear, to agree that, okay, for us to have a new nation, something fresh as we get in, we get in the eighth president, um, we need to come to a place of repentance and a place of convention and the place of forgiveness of sin. And the next thing I would like to start to suggest is the wind of change across Africa. So, across Africa for a number of years now, from 2022 up to now, there's been something that has been happening. And I can give you a few names from across Africa. Mohammed Debichad, 41 years old. Basiro Udjumoye Paye, Senegal, 46 years old. Mamadi Daumboyua, Guinea, 46 years old. We can go on and on. This is happening in Africa, like right now, in the last two, three years. Africa is going back to a younger crop of leaders because this renewal we are talking about is not just limited to Zambia. It is happening across Africa. When Kaonda became president, it was 40 years ago, it was at the beginning. We are going back to that starting point. And that is why people like Makebe is weaning the imagination of people. Just pick a random picture of Makebe with people, you will see that people are smiling. You can't, you can't do anything about that. It's what's happening, it's the universe, it's God. It is what it is. Uh so there's that, the youthfulness that God wants to bring that Africa deserves right now. It's happening, and we need to be able to know that as we go to August, that could be something that we can hang on to. And I think the last thing that I would like us, this one is specifically to us as Zambia, that we need to look at and consider as we go to August 2026, is the words that Makebizulu spoke at the church service. Um at the uh at the church service when Lungu was supposed to be buried on the 25th of June in in Johannesburg, in that Catholic church. And now you will remember, I'm sure, Ambassador, you are watching, you remember that Bishop Alik Banda had done everything and whatnot. And when the mass ended, Makebizul went to the podium and stood there and he said these words. He said, Eddie Gachagua Lungu has refused to sleep until his story is told. And when the journalists were asking him, were interviewing him outside, he repeated those words. When he said those words, those words have hung, they've just remained with me. And and they, I think I don't know what those words mean to other people, but to me, they they they they they really they they are so there's something to those words, there's something that has to happen. You begin to see some things that have been happening lately. And this issue of blocking him from being buried, they are doing it again as long as they have no idea. God is an embarrassing of people who are proud. God is an embarrasser of people who are proud. He is thinking and in the thinking of those minions around him that by squeezing the widow, he's fighting them and he's punishing them by grabbing things from the family he thinks he's winning. But what he hasn't actually realized, that he has become a laughing stock to all the presidents around him. And now his pride and his evil heart, everyone can see is exposing himself. And the story about Ed Galung, Tyler. If Ed Galung ever said plan B, you will know. Let me speak to this country of mine, Zander. You will know the plan B. You will know it. You know, the last the words of the last words of a dying man are so powerful. And that was just an ordinary man at the market. That was a former president who held a lot of huge portfolios in government from MP to minister to acting president to president. So we need to really think about what we are doing in the opposition. Let's be sincere. Let's let's look at the what things can we use to unite around ourselves? And I think from these three things I've spoken about, I think this is what the leaders can look at. Are we agreeing on the issue of faith? Are we all saying, as we sit on this table as opposition, are we agreeing that the one place to start from is God, repentance, renewal, to understand that this is what this country means? Because if we don't agree about that, then uh I can assure you that God will be the majority. Nangwalika. Even if God is alone, he'll be the majority. And those that think they have people or they have experience, they'll they'll join the each in the embarrassment. And then we won't have to follow what is happening across Africa because when the wind is blowing, you don't go against, we go for youthful leadership. And then we should be able to understand that the things that Lungu saw must be an agenda for the opposition. If you say someone wants to be there at my barrier, it should be an agenda for the opposition because the words of a of a dying man are very, very important. And if you say that there's plan B, it's going to be plan B. That's just what I wanted to speak.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:47

And you are really from the land of AI so deep submission, deep, deep, deep submissions. The AI is working there. Wonderful man for making those contributions. Hello, call up. Tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_23 2:11:03

Um, James calling you from Zambia.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_23 2:11:17

My contribution, you find mine. Everyone is calling for uh Mundu vide. The way you look at it, I'm quite gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:08

The line is hanging. I'm so sorry, I don't know what has happened today. Are you still there? Okay, okay, you are through there. Yes, continue quickly.

SPEAKER_23 2:12:19

Yes, I'm saying each one should be standing. To use it, if a condition Because you are talking about the people are easy. And the Kers and the presentation and the gas and give I'm going to be the main unity they should be talking again is the voter protection. These two should be meeting.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:18

Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you very much. Hello, allo allo caller. Uh um, you are my last caller. Make your contributions.

SPEAKER_17 2:13:31

Hello, good evening. Um honorable manual mumba um uh donoska. I'm calling from from Rome in Italy.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:41

Thank you. Thank you. Make your contribution, Father.

SPEAKER_17 2:13:44

Yes, thank you so much. I would like to appreciate the um the program and what uh Brebna Changala had just taught the Zambian people. I really appreciate and um and I thank this gentleman. He's one of the wise elderly um Zambian people that we can look forward for wisdom and for advice. Indeed, my gratitude. Uh Brebna Changala's uh mentioned a lot of things. I just would like to uh associate my thought with what he said. He was said one thing he said was he was a critic of ECL, and then he went to sit down with him and he discovered a different person altogether. He discovered indeed a gentleman, a gentleman. I would uh uh put myself in line with uh honorable uh Breverend Changala, um uh, who is nonpartisan as I have understood, um as well non-partisan, but um I uh appreciate and I think uh God has is calling me as well to um to share with my uh compatriots my experience in this exposure to the diaspora and many countries in the Europe, not only in Europe, but also in Asia and in the United States. Um so um I try also to participate with Mwambanda. I say was wonderful. And um it reminds me of my experience as well. We campaigned for uh President Hakka in the Chilema. Uh uh actually, I did not campaign for him as an individual. We campaigned for the program that he gave us in 2021. Now, among that program that we are given, uh surprising enough, things started changing. And um the danger that I foresaw myself was when uh a private company was uh invited in Zambia to uh study and map the minerals, the riches that our country have, putting it in the hands of a private company. Uh, that was very, very, very um I was very much saddened about that because normally, even here in Europe, such a thing can never happen. And then, of course, there are court issues. Uh, you see, PF, uh, I've never also judged by ECO as an individual, as a person. I just uh decampaigned ECO because he allowed the caderism at that time. Now, if Caterism has come back today and we see what has been happening about Chihuahua, some of the cadres who are for the government are still free and have never made maybe first the new laws which have been um um introduced in our country. And then you see that on the other side, on the opposition leaders, and these new laws are really being effective. How many people, Babylon Changala's exhausted all this discussion? How many people are now going behind bars for new cases that I don't even know how I can explain it? So now we are saying uh, you know, I remember the words of uh Haka Indechilema.

SPEAKER_16 2:17:19

Injustice somewhere is injustice everywhere, injustice to that woman in the northwestern province who has been stoned to death is injustice to Madame Nalumango, is injustice to our first lady, Madame Motinta Ichilema, injustice to that innocent mother, a woman, and this I also can feel the pain of that lady who phoned you before and she was crying on this platform. Indeed, injustice to one woman is injustice to all the women and the police officers, how I love myself, the professionality of the police. But in this country, why should you act when the president gives you a command? This is my question, and this question I would like you, my breven. I would love you to answer me this question. Why should the professional police officers act only after the command coming from President Hakanditina? Killing a person on the street by itself is a crime. You don't need the president to tell them to go ahead. Empty-minded, he was supposed to be arrested. But then uh is it this the new dawn where the arrests can only be made if they are confirmed by the president? Is this what is happening in our country? If so, it's very sad. And I appeal to you, Mozambia, sure. We got independence from the white people. And for this reason I appeal again and again. So now injustice that woman could not western province. Now I I appeal to you, Zambia, women in Zambia. Think about the that woman who has a husband in the South Africa, and the husband has not been allowed to be buried for more than nine months. We need reconciliation in this country. Reconciliation is not the Adam and Eve syndrome. It's like we have we are sick with the Adam and Eve syndrome. Adam, what have you done? It's not me. It's the woman you gave me Eve. Eve, what have you done is not me. It's the serpent, it's the snake that you gave us in the garden of Eve. The Adam and Eve syndrome, it seems that I has hit our political dispensation in the country. Where has the money gone? We don't know. Where has the item? We don't know. Where has the good disappeared? We don't know. Where has the suit light gone? We don't know. Adam and Eve syndrome is looming in the country. That's why we want the strong opposition of opposition parties so that they can ask the government to account for any single penny which they have been entrusted without a strong opposition political party. The Adam and Eve syndrome will consume each and every one of us. I'm hopeful we are going to dismantle this. And we are going also. How I wish the new politicians, all the new politicians who are coming in the sphere now, how I can wish when if God is going to bless you with your presidency in these August elections, the first thing I can advise you to do is this make it a criminal offense. Make it a criminal offense. I know at the moment there's nothing we can do. But if I talk God is going to bless the country, the government is changed. Whoever might be the new president, listen to this. Make Chiwe di Mingalato a criminal offense. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:59

Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. Thank you very much for joining us on this broadcast. Brebno Changala made profound remarks. You probably have to go back to the broadcast and watch. You know, when you are watching in the moment, you don't realize how uh heavy the words that are being used, the insights and the wisdom. I think this was one of those special broadcasts, and many people felt it. You can watch and watch again. God bless you. On Wednesday, we have Tanya Fuchs. She runs her own podcast. Her videos are very viral on TikTok when she's commenting about the state of our country and a video, uh, a commentary about the economy of our country uh are usually quoted even by Reuters and others. Tanya Fuchs will be here on Wednesday, will be putting out um the advert and look forward to the broadcast on when on Wednesday. God bless you and shalom, shalom.

SPEAKER_06 2:25:09

Yes. This is recognized a very special visit this evening. Anyways. By sharing a meal. We shared a meal. Yes. That is cardinal.

SPEAKER_09 2:26:04

We shared a meal and exchanged notes of historical value. You have told me a lot. We exchanged a lot.

SPEAKER_06 2:26:18

I've come to know things I didn't know. Best regards for the future. You're always working, right?

SPEAKER_09 2:26:50

Yeah, always work. What am always?

SPEAKER_06 2:27:09

I know the name, the unique name. Very good friend.

SPEAKER_07 2:28:10

So I really lamented that why should you be obviously pushing me and saying no? We want to protect you. No meeting of the president to be going without this without I I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I said you should be right. That's what I'm saying. Where should you be? We want to protect you. I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I'm not completely at all. I said you should need that you might need. That's what I'm saying now. The next minute I said, but you really didn't know that I was for president when you stripped me of these things. Please, you want to put your house in order. The next minute I want to go to change somebody wants to change them.