THE LATEST PF JUDGMENT

WE DISCUSS THE LATEST PF JUDGMENT AND ITS IMPLICATIONS

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:04

Difuna Murusaka Maya Wantum Saga Murray Zambia Kukopa Belt all the districts we have mayors except Indola and Kitwe. Twenty twenty six. We want our own mayor in Dola. This story I'm hearing that the president has a beach. How is the president going to run the government? The president needs counselors. The president needs council chairpersons. The president needs mayors. The president needs MPs. The president needs ministers. We want our own mayor in Dola.

SPEAKER_23 2:57

No support, yeah, support from Southern Province. But some people have given up. Now, if someone from Southern Province can give up, are you telling me that someone from Motaka is you yourself before these other provinces started loving him? You've given up. What do you talk about? No, it's not a good thing. You saw a lot of things changing. Many people were saying he in the talking he sounded as if he is a bad man. But he talks about the actions. There are so many things that we can point out now.

SPEAKER_31 12:09

Today is a momentous day. Sorry for starting the broadcast late. We are discussing the judgment by Justice Conceptor Chñanuam Zulu. I needed to speak to the lawyers. I needed to speak to the parties involved, such as my dear brother Mal Sampa and others. I needed to fully understand the judgment. And I also needed to have sight of the details of the judgment. So I'm sorry that uh we started late, but we are underway. Please share the broadcast. There have been various developments you saw there, the video I'm showing, where the former director general of um the Zambia Medical and Medical Supplies Agency, ZAMSA, Mr. Yasulu, yes, joined politics. Remember, he joined the Patriotic Front last year. And last week he joined Citizen First. And today doesn't matter. We are Tonsey Alliance leader, um Honorable Brian Munduwili was summoned to the Anti-Corruption Commission for investigations that they are doing. And uh Mr. Nyasuru turned up as um as uh to support uh Mr. Munwili. You remember every time there was any of the leaders in the opposition summoned by the police, all of us would go to that leader, whether it was Fred Membe, whether it was Given Lominda, whether it was Sean Tembo, whether it was Uman Zimba, whoever in the opposition fraternity was called by the police, we always went there for solidarity. And Mr. Nyasolu also turned up today at the SEC. And for one reason or another, he was immediately bundled and totally, totally. You saw he was brutally handled and bundled into a police van like he's uh like he's a sack, like he's a bug of millimale. Uh that amounts to police brutality. The cameras were rolling, and I'm glad that the cameras um captured that. The police officer who was at the scene is the famous one. Many people remember when I took the late president um uh Edgar Lungu for a walk. We were at the eligibility case at the Supreme Court grounds, and it was uh the the the the full bench uh decided that they should uh adjourn the matter for a period of about 45 minutes to one hour. So we said the whole process of going back home and coming back, you know, with the traffic in Osaka, it was just not possible. So we decided that the president should go to Intercontinental for a for tea, and we decided to walk out. Now, that officer who was in charge there, uh Ronald Zambo was in charge, and remember he had an altercation with me, Mwamba, it's not your show, because he said the president is not going anywhere. If he wants to walk, it won't happen. Let him jump in his vehicles and then go to Intercontinental. Then at a matter, remember when he had that altercation with um uh uh Socialist Party president when he stopped them when they were escorting uh Archbishop Alec Banda, and uh there was that famous viral video where a Fred member, Dr. Fred Membo, was asserting to the uh to the uh he was deputy police commissioner at the time that and his police officers that he is a lawyer and he should be allowed to pass. So today uh Ronald Zambo stands promoted, is now Lusaka Province Police Commissioner, and he's the one that was in charge when Brian Munduwile arrived. And uh, for those that are joining us, this is a video where they bundled Zamsa ex-Zamsa Director General, Victor Nyasulu, who turned up to offer solidarity to Brian Munduwile. The anti-corruption commission has since issued a statement that they are investigating cases uh of road contracts that were given to companies associated with Honorable Brian Mundwill. Brian Mundwill has been a businessman. I've known him for about 30 years. From the period I knew him, he was running businesses in Kaoma, in Soloesi, in Lusaka. He's always been a businessman and he's been a contractor for many years. So the police the pol the FCC says there are these roles that uh were given to his companies in northern umchinga, central province, and eastern province, and they are alleging that uh advance payment of 1.5 million quacha was given to these companies and works were not done. Having been permanent secretary, when I tender, I would ensure that you give me insurance guarantee or bank guarantee, whichever came first. And if you defaulted, I ensured that I cashed that payment so that there's no loss to government. This is entirely a commercial transaction. Of course, they are trying to criminalize it because Brian Mundu, as companies that are involved in this dispute, they want the issue to reach him as one of the directors. Yet companies are legal personalities. And I come uh like uh George Sangalukasha MP said earlier. If, for example, let us assume the works were not done, you have an insurance guarantee on the fire. Why don't you cash it? Why don't you monetize it before you criminalize the process? We'll not discuss that matter. It's under now investigations by the SEC, and Bran Mundwill and his team will probably speak to that issue. Share the broadcast. This is a hot one. We are discussing the development that occurred today in the High Court, and uh uh I want to offer my opinion when I deliver the facts, and then we can discuss because remember, the ECZ have issued an electoral calendar where on 15th April, just literally 15 days from now, the electoral process kicks in. Presidential candidates must take to uh ECZ the members, the 1,000 supporters, 100 from each province. So there is no time. Everything becomes very important in that light. We have a fuel crisis from Livingston, Choma, Lusaka, Kapirimpoche, Serenje up to Nakonde, and we have a serious fuel shortage ranging from Chipata up to you know uh uh Soloezi. We have a countrywide crisis of fuel. I know government might attribute it to the crisis that is happening in the Middle East and the war between uh the US, Israel on one side, and Iran on the other side that has waged war and closed, you know, the Strait of Omuz so that the 20% of fuel that goes to the world doesn't pass. It's been almost a month. But for a government that plants, you should have 60, 90, 120 days in your storage facilities. You should have uh security, energy security, up to 120 days. So if fuel has run out barely a month, and remember the fuel we are we have now was uh uh supplied months ago, then we have a crisis. It probably means we probably didn't have proper, proper uh reserves uh for for the country. That would be a topic on its own, I think, on Monday or Tuesday or Sunday, but it's a matter we should discuss because the country might grind to a halt. There are solutions, for example. Uh Dangote in Nigeria now is pumping full throttle. He has capacity to supply literally um the entire Africa. Maybe we should quickly stop buying from the Middle East and go to Dangote, line up and get that fuel. Uh, take it to the port of Deban or Beira or Darislam so that we have uh uh um fuel that is reliable. Our reliance on the Middle East uh fuel might just be a problem. Let's get to the business of the day. Remember, the Patriotic Front held a general conference. Some people didn't participate, they said we are waiting for the judgment that is coming up on March 27th. Everything that we discussed would come to this day that we are waiting for the judgment that will come up on uh March 27th. So, which judgment were all these stakeholders waiting for? Uh, today I saw a letter by a former Secretary General Davis Mueller telling the acting registrar of societies that in the event that a matter is won in the High Court, that the registrar must include him as office bearer because. His name was originally on that paper. Um is a side issue. What is before court is that Mao Sampa held a general conference, an extraordinary general conference on 24th October 2023. And we disputed that the general conference didn't follow any of the party statutes, any of the party um uh regulations. We said Mao Sampa left behind his eight other colleagues that had filed as presidential candidates. Since then, the matters have been in court, including subsequent matters. There was a matter where uh Mao Sampa fired nine MPs. And this is one of the many matters that were in court. In this particular case, Nakachinda, as Secretary General of the Party, with Bran Munduwile and the other MPs, sued Mao Sampa to go to the crack of the matter because we had gone through injunctions, we had gone through preliminary matters. But what was the heart about all this is that the question of whether the PF held a general conference was what was at stake. And we wanted the courts to interpret if Mao Sampa's conference was uh a lawful, legitimate, and illegally binding general conference according to the party statute of the Patriotic Front. So, besides all the other cases that were there, everything now culminated on this case. This case had Rafael Nakachinda as petitioner with Bran Munuwele and other MPs on one side. And on the other side, Mal Sampa. In the intervening period, Mal Sampa reconciled with the late president Edgar Lungu. You must have seen those pictures. And the outcome of that was that then why are we fighting in court? Why can't we restore the status? And the status began to be restored. President Edgar Lungu had appointed Mao Sam, had appointed Rafael Nakachinda as Secretary General after the challenges we had with Honorable Nixon Chilangwa, whose substantive position was Deputy Secretary General, and with the uh uh uh persecution against him, he had now uh was in you know Mukobeko prison. So the president appointed um uh Rafael Nakachinda as Secretary General. Uh so Rafael Nakachinda is then is then the one that had sued Mao Sampa. So when the matter was reconciled, that okay, we've reconciled legally on the paper, to date, it's not Robert Chavinga, to date from 2023, the one who's president of the PF has always been Mao Sampa. He's never been removed. If you look at the so-called Lugalo, you will find that uh uh uh the expelled MP Robert Chavinga is a committee member from 2023 to date. The president who's been on the PF lugualo has always been Miles Sampa. That has not changed. Number one fact. We are contesting those changes at the the general conference that made the registrar of society make those amends was illegal. The decision of the registrar of society to make those amends, making Miles Sampa as president and committee member and others was illegal. In our view, that's what we've always asserted. And the changes that subsequently occurred at parliament, where Bran Munduwile as leader of the opposition was removed, Stephen Kampiongo as you know chief whip, opposition chief whip was removed, and Anton Kasandwe as deputy were removed. We held that that entire chain is illegal. Changes at the Registrar of Societies and changes at parliament were illegal. So we have been in court. So when a year later Mao Sampa reconciled with the late president, we agreed at the moment, Mao Sampa, you are the one appearing as president, cause the letters to be written. So there are there are about three substantial letters Mao Sampa wrote. Number one, he affirmed the appointment of President Lungu, of Mao of uh Rafael Nakachinda Secretary General. Number two, he wrote to Parliament to make the changes to remove um uh first another action, sorry, was to remove Morgan Ningona. He removed Morgan Ningona as secretary general, and Mao Sampa made himself as secretary general. Then, as secretary general and president, he wrote a letter to parliament to remove Robert Chabinga, Anton Mumba, and others, and uh uh uh uh uh uh I think Shadiza MP were removed from the books, and he proposed that um new people should take those positions in Mulenga Kampamba, Kalulushi MP, and uh uh uh Brenda Yurenda Lundazi MP and Anton Kasanwe. Those changes were not effective. And we saw later that uh Morgan rushed to court to get an injunction against those changes. Number one, to remove him, number two, to cause changes at parliament, number three, to cause changes at the registrar of societies. That is a matter that has been in court. Um when we we settled on a consent that there was now no need, you Mao Sampa and us are in one agreement. Given Lubinda is acting president, he has been tasked to uh convene a general conference that will give us a president. In between us, let us agree. And we signed a consent agreement. And that agreement was filed in court in May 2025. There were other developments where Morganingona, who had put up an injunction to restrain Mao Sampa from firing him. That injunction, Judge Zulu threw it out in May 2025. Come, come, come, come, August, September, November, you and I put pressure on this judge. You know, we called her, she's a mercenary judge, she's just doing the bidding of the state. She's not willing to adhere to this. This is just mere consent. Why can't she agree? While she was determining that process, we saw Morgan once again and Robert Chavinga come to join to the dispute we had over the consent agreement. In November, the judge ruled on our consent that you have a main matter between Mao Sampa and myself and ourselves, the PF. So I'm going to determine that fact, especially that there is these third parties, Morgan and Chabinga, who have joined the case and are expressing interest that they held this conference. That resulted in their changes also to be part of the PF. So today, what we've been waiting for is that judgment because she subjected, she refused to sign the consent order. She said, look, we'll not deal with the consent order. Let's go to full trial. Was this conference legitimate? So there was a full trial. There were two main witnesses. For us, the petitioners and plaintiff, uh, Stephen Campiongo represented us. He went through the constitution of the Patriotic Front, demonstrated how a general conference or extraordinary conference is held. On the other hand, it was Morgan Ingona who asserted that the conference on 24th was a valid conference. But he also, when he was asked, there was that funny question, when he was asked, so how did you become Secretary General? He just said, Mao Sampa appointed me. But how did Mao Sampa appoint you? He couldn't explain. You know, it was a matter of joke that day. So what has happened is that the judge has ruled that the conference that Mao Sampa held is valid, that Mao Sampa was justified to hold that conference, and she has pinned on her decision on three fundamental issues. She's saying, number one, you, the PF, didn't have a central committee. She says, because Edgar Lungu resigned as president, um Mukupang Mona as um as chairperson, Inonge Wina as vice president, and Davis Mueller as secretary general, they resigned. Therefore, there was no central committee. And she even uses the word laissez faire. You were laissez-faire in resolving the leadership issue. So Miles Ampa's action were therefore justified. You have said that he didn't follow the party constitution. You have said he didn't hold national conference, you had said he didn't have adequate numbers. She said you haven't brought evidence to me to demonstrate that he didn't have enough people, that he didn't, the national conference was not held between Central Committee and members of parliament. She says you haven't brought that evidence. So to that effect, she ruled that Mao Sampa's convention is there for legal and was validly elected as president. What does this mean? Number one, the PF, of course, are dismissing that judgment. We had a central committee when President Lungu resigned. Remember, we've always bothered to explain that the Central Committee rejected that position and said, Mr. President, we are just sending you on leave. And the vice president, given Lubina who had been appointed as vice president, to replace Woi Nongewina, became vice president of the party and acting president of the patriotic front. So we are rejecting those assertions that the party didn't have a central committee. To replace Bamu Kupa, we got Davis Chama, the former defense minister, who was a member of the Central Committee, was appointed chairperson of the party. We got Nixon Chilangua and appointed him as Deputy Secretary General to act as secretary general. So the assertions by the judge that the party didn't have a central committee is just folly and mischief. So the PF has to decide whether they have to appeal, especially the misleading assumptions that the judge has made. Who are the beneficiaries and winners of this judgment? It is Mal Sampa. But remember there was a development. So Mal Sampa held a proper conference according to the judge. Mal Sampa, therefore, is president. But there are other developments. So the defendants in this case have won the case. This is Mao Sampa, Robert Chabinga, and Mogona. The three are the beneficiaries of this judgment. But the president is Mal Sampa. Who does it benefit most? Will be my second question. It benefits most Mao Sampa because just two weeks ago he won a case in the same court to dismiss Morgan as Secretary General. Morganing has rushed to the Court of Appeal to attempt to stay the judgment of the High Court. That has declared, remove threw away his injunction and threw away his case to challenge his dismissal for want of prosecution, in ordinary English, is that he failed to prosecute the case. He didn't bother to do any of the things to defend that case when he obtained the injunction in 2024. So Mal Sampa has two judgments in that court. Today's judgment, where he has other defendants in Robert Chavinga and Morgan Nona. And another judgment where Morgan Ngona was fired. And in all these cases, you should remember the most important person is Morgan Ningona, a Secretary General. All the cases all of us have, we don't have a case with Robert Chavinga because he's inconsequential, either at the registrar of societies or in the law. The person who has been very instrumental in all this is Morgan Nguona. And Mogani Ngwona, the court ruled that his case to have him dismissed, you know, is too dismissed because he failed to prosecute that case. So Mao Sampa scores two points. One against the Chavinga group and against us. Because against the Chavinga group, he scores a point where the judge ruled that the dismissal of Morgan now stands valid because his challenge, both the injunction and the main case, were thrown out. What is the way forward? There are these two issues. Number one, because the beneficiaries are three, Morgan, I mean Mao Sampa, Morgan, and Robert Chavinga. Robert Chavinga and Morgan are going to assert that after the conference there were further developments. Morgan and Robert Chavinga will assert that no, no, no, no. After Mal Sampa reconciled with Edgar Lungu, we decided to hold our central committee and we removed and expelled Mal Sampa. That is a fresh dispute that has to legally be settled. But as things stand now, it is Mal Sampa who's president. If Robert Chabinga and Morgan Ngona have to raise that dispute, Mal Sampa is going to say, no, I removed you first. Even by the time you were convening that central committee to remove me, you stood removed, and I wrote letters to the registrar, to parliament, and I caused the letters to you. So that's a fresh dispute that will emerge. Where is Mal Sampa now? Mal Sampa is located in the group which ECAO left. ECAO left the vice president, Honorable Given Louinda. Many people have been asking me, so what is the status of Honorable Given Luwinda? Because now that he lost elections, where is he? Let me address that particular matter. The substantive position of Honorable Given Luwinda is that of vice president. Even today, the vice president of the Patriotic Front is a Honorable Given Luwinda. However, he was acting as president following the demise of the late president. And before that, he had been appointed by the president himself to act as president. That grouping has held an election and has elected Makebizulu as president of that group. And that group has Mal Sampa part of it. Okay. So here what will happen is Mal Sampa, Honorable Makebizulu, Honorable Given Lubinda, they have to discuss whatever they will discuss. But at the moment, although Mal Sampa is president, legal of the PF, is currently Deputy Secretary General, in the process where Makebizulu has been elected president. So they have to discuss internally and see how they can resolve that issue. What do we expect from Chavinga? Chavinga and Moganingona are going to go to their fallen central committee and say, no, no, no, no, this judgment benefits us because we removed Mao Sampa. I've explained that. And then in the whole large scheme, what does it mean? What it means is that the PF still stands in limbo because there are two injunctions. There's one in Kawe, which was obtained by Moganingona. There, Mao Sampa has applied that he replaces Moganingona because he won the judgment in the High Court. But that may be taken by events because Moganingona went to the Court of Appeal and obtained another injunction to restrain Mao Sampa to remove him as Secretary General. So he is Secretary General of this faction, which has Mao Sampa's legal president, because of that injunction in the Court of Appeal. That particular matter has been said to come up on 14th April 2026. If all this is confusing you, what it means is the matter still remains in court. The PF might appeal. Even if they do not appeal, they agree with Mao Sampa. There's still those two injunctions that Mao Sampa has to fight off. Yet the electoral calendar is ticking. On 15th April, presidential candidates have to take a candidate. I mean have to take hundred supporters per province, 1,000. The electoral calendar are started. On 19th, is it 18th May, the presidential candidates have to file in. And strangely, if you have noted, strangely, the ECs that have revised that calendar that all nominations will take place on 18th May. That's extremely strange. They expect that there will only be three presidential candidates. How can you set one day? Remember the earlier calendar had put it that there will be nominations for presidential candidates from 17th to 23rd? The revised calendar puts one day together with parliamentarians. Even the parliamentarians have to file on the same day. I have seen Dr. Cosmas Musumali, you know, vice president in the Socialist Party, has written a strong letter to the ECZ that how can you allow, how can you let the nominations for presidents and parliamentarians take place one day? It's just not feasible. Why don't you separate? And also why don't you extend the days? There are those things happening. That is a state of the PF. It's still in legal inbo. The beneficiaries and the biggest person who has won in all this is Mao Sampa. You know, he titles himself Mbappe. For the judgment, it's a ridiculous judgment. Totally ridiculous, I can tell you. When I was speaking to one of the former senior judges, he even says that judgment is a candidate to the JCC. Why don't you write to complain? Because the findings are just absurd. But as we are, you know, you and I are obliged to respect court orders and court regulations. Is that Mal Sampa is a PF president? And I will open phone lines for you to contribute, say your piece. We're discussing the issue of um my dear brother Bran Munduwile earlier and the fuel shortage. If you have any views about that, also there, you are welcome. Let's open the phone lines and let's have that discussion. Um human rights International issued a report last week here in New York and they expressed concern that Zambia may not have free and fair elections because political opponents are being denied the right to express themselves. Political parties are being deplatformed. What we are hearing is not good. Where they've targeted certain political parties. And we understand that they are determined that the PF will not be on the ballot at all costs. And that's why you are seeing these legal maneuvers where mercenary judges have just uh delivered that issue. They are determined that the PF should not be on the ballot. They're also targeting people like Brian Mundo, as you have seen. He's been all fired. All of a sudden, five years later, they remember that Brian Brian Mundo is a contractor. Now they remember that uh the arrows he did or he did not do five years later, only because he's now set aside on the presidency. All of us have been harassed and arrested and and you know uh and the human rights uh watch international report summarizes this very well. Other reports, such as the United Nations Human Rights Council report, the United States country report, the State Department one country report on Zambia, we've all affirmed the state where Zambia is. The lines are open, my phone was off. You can now call Friday Dilo, we let people rest. So if you have anything to say, make your contributions, the line is open. We were discussing the PF judgment that has said uh uh Moo Sampa's conference was genuinely held, was validly held. That's what the judgment has said. I saw the write-up on Kalemba that uh that uh uh Robert Chavinga wins case now. The the case was only resolving the issue of conference, was genuinely held. And it has held that the conference that was held by Mal Sampa is a valid conference. That's where it ends. It has not discussed what has happened, what will happen to Mal Sampa or Robert Chavinga or Morgan Ngona. And again, you have to look at it in totality with the other cases.

SPEAKER_29 46:53

Um grounded.

SPEAKER_31 46:57

There's no fuel in Livingstone.

unknown 47:00

Yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_29 47:02

Uh Facebook, I wish you're cool diesel, much and just cut it.

SPEAKER_31 47:11

M K. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_29 47:17

I've been looking for it from ten hours.

unknown 47:19

There's no fuel completely.

SPEAKER_31 47:20

The trucks are we're grounded. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_29 47:23

We are grounded. And and uh when you ask about my filling stations ever uh when when they might uh have it they are saying likely sunday, likely so I don't know what we are going to do. Maybe if we kuma border towns, we can try to maneuver to Amboswana Nangum Zimbabwe. But I can imagine in this one in far flying areas, yeah it's a serious problem. Thank you on the fuel the I think I think uh like if I had Garungu Valandire. So it was even good that we we we kind we did that conversion on no name so that you can dive on any vehicle that feel it to be it to be uh befit going on it. It was all like a mad judgment what are they trying to do? What kind of a country is this? So I open the politics and I don't know nobody gas very for sure, because I want to fish by the UK. Because there's too much poverty, uh Ambassador, there's too much poverty in this country. The other issue is unity. Unity I'm PF. I understand the poliko am up loses here or there. That is normal. The the thing is that we add the room whenever we want it and move to a few of them. Replacement Makebizur.

SPEAKER_31 50:35

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_29 50:46

And now I wish that the uh punch. I I saw making efforts to meet some of the candidates who participated. But we need the unity with the party. Let us run it behind. So let's mape. So eleven bak of my members. It's not about the personal interest, it's about the the national interest. We are doing this for our country, not for our personal interest. Let us see Bageburuka Takule Kwangaya, take up. That's what it is, Zambia. In Denis is even the channel. I don't know. So Makebizura Tumuti Mawantu. Not the Muntu Munanko are if we are from Shika.

SPEAKER_31 52:29

Thank you. Thank you, Amuwa. Alo Kora, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_10 52:41

I think Tam kwai tatua wombe. Like all filling stations along Greatest Road, no fuel. Very soon Takwa venama mini bassi tu alambo kwinga shaves. Yes, Victa nya sulu posa like that is not a thug, a very educated person. Gakutibachita treat jasulu fidia. What about ye ababa mushani nabuadi? Ave mkuba joy nat the eleventh hour. Elo yesterday, inashilefwa no kulanda poefisia kuma kuti ba shibu ambanga mulei wukisha inena le landa from the wedgo. And disha de landa fi, bakadabuatala sala puka paku. Efidi no kuchita. Efri no kuchtika mingalato pa mingalato. Ababa you p and di the monati wa dishipula. And too surprised. A must statement sarefuma kuriba akasaru ba electoral commission of Zambia. Is that his job? Barechita regular then awafuneso kuchita conducta my elections. But what they are issuing, if you are registrar of society, what do they have to do with that? Olochonde chita caution. Fuema supporterzi aba aba mundubide, aba abama kebebi, aba ava luinda, abava chi bakamburidi, lekeni tu le ku kwambana. U shonko konfuashani, iwole pontera muntu, o le tse inende pontera mundubide. Na dinanda kupadi mundu viro mkumu watara mwanfu na wekesha. Andindeve siavantu through experience. Tu andesi vipadi any candidate. Uso kashala kuisa, ule ponta, eroyowi no le supporta, de pontera muntubiro makebi fia umfuana chika and shape. Nangun de pontera varu wimda, erobaku mfuane, iwa chikaku shape, ero chimbi chimpa puisheniava chti repetition. Makebi was not part of the process of that elec elections ever leto sampa is our SG political and constitution yes me. I was a stakeholder in holding the party constitution constitution yeah PF nad ishiva because I think I'm the longest serving secretary general mu party. Who could petition results elections? Ya they asked after our commission and avachita announce. They were supposed to do that before the elections were announced. What constitution are they following? Because MCC. So we wait and see what will happen. Withdrew, just like Mouse Sampa, my brother also withdrew on his own petition which they called the sham. Mao sampa era talent nephew, withdraw out of dignity to the secretariat. That's my understanding. How can he change today at the petition? Allah, umwinewami ingara to ba mwamba mwarishwa tiresa if you're tu panga if we as human beings, a mapange yesu, ema pange akware sa. Bashimuamba wantu mzambia, I've never seen a bantuku kupe fibare pepa. Tata la mwonapu. Murinoku monefiri no kuchitika muzambia. Eroba munduvire na makebi, ababa le tabebi at adi rusa ma elections kumalambu. Are you aware that wamunduvire ba di rushire kumpolo koso not once like makebi, but twice. That's why twira puntefintofu tatatwishive. Because bakapaka fikeshita bakonfuana chikatu shape. Let us pray for unity of peoples because we only have one enemy, the abrogators of our Zambian constitution, which they sought to uphold. And we say we are following common standards. Thank you very much. Good night.

SPEAKER_31 59:01

Thank you, Mario. Thank you. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions. Oh, yes, Caro, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_05 59:23

Yeah, and the folk land if you are sticking a kumway sutas, no by cala channel, famous ambiance. No, but if you let you push in a place. Because now by me now, just to I shall mingle. So it's why you want easy to make a shape. So if you so I want to buff any channel for in the Tamalenaka, the money bedroom chalo, the body special yatali. So I want to buffanya number means.

SPEAKER_31 1:00:46

Thank you very much. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_31 1:00:50

Allocola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_34 1:00:56

This is precious inonge from Livingstone.

SPEAKER_31 1:00:59

Yes, precious Inonge, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_34 1:01:03

Yes. Uh first I want to talk on uh what happened there with at the ACC where Brandon went. You know, I really felt bad to see that uh that man was uh he was mistreated in that manner and in front of Honorable and the Honorable Branundu, he didn't even show the care. Coming to this issue of PFO, you know, when I told the nation myself that present Vakangachi might mean well, it is him making me ingala right now. When we told the people that they should not support that evil bill, you can see what happened in Kalumbilla there, where they can even bury a woman without the family knowing. All those are the things that they want now to be doing. And the people of Zambia, they are in darkness, they don't know. What is in that bill, they want to be hiding into criminality, and that's the truth. And trying by all means so that they can remain in power. So our present Waka in HMA is pretending like he's not involved in whatever Wachavinga is doing. But every time when Wachavinga comes live, he tells the nation that they are in alliance with our president Waka in the Hilema. But when I published those letters, which was saying that Waka in the Hilema is trying to destabilize leadership government, he sent me in prison that I made false documents. And when I was sent in prison, I served and I finished my sentence. I've been appealing to him to say, I accused you of being behind the gas team and also to try to destabilize leadership of PF government. Sure that leadership, Patriotic Front is an anchor party. So if this patriotic front is not going to be on the ballot, how can you deny that he's not him who is behind everything? If they are going to fail to arrest the gutters, how can we believe that indeed it was the PF who was gassing not in the middle? Because him has got instrument of powers, and he has got all the powers to instruct officers to arrest the original criminals. Because the same criminals is protecting, those are the same criminals who are still taking law in their hands even now, and they are still doing a lot of criminality. So please, wise consent citizens, we beg you in God's name, don't allow by UPND to mistreat the people of Zambia. Don't give them any chance. No matter the mingalato they are going to play, please we ask the International Criminal Court of Law, let them come in and save the people of Zambia. God bless you. God bless Zambia. Thank you.

SPEAKER_31 1:03:40

Thank you. Hello, Cora. Please tell us your name and your contributions.

SPEAKER_36 1:05:15

So in the Rumba Zambia. Five years nay you know, you so and then say, we can chapaminate. Like it. So in one day, so maybe I'm a pony machine. What is the lady aside you cook one? Then um the number some some mammals. So has been playing in Mingala to be playing in Mingala to Utilati Limbiala Kwanish and I want to once.

SPEAKER_31 1:07:09

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_35 1:07:16

Good evening, Ambassador. Good evening, Ketishingoma is my name.

SPEAKER_31 1:07:23

My dear analyst and researcher, make your contributions, yes, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_35 1:07:28

I just want to thank President Haga Inde Ichilema for what he has turned the police service into. We now are seeing the police brutality which he condemned himself. And what we are seeing is even more than what used to happen in PF. However, Hule Womba and continue doing that because beating citizens. What the police are doing, beating citizens. So August 13, they'll vote for you because they love to be brought to be brutalized by the police. Police brutality in a democratic country, Zambians love it. I can assure you, I wanna Zambia, what can you vote tela? Do more of it, beat more citizens, arrest them more. Since this makes you happy, it makes you happy, do more. You can't handle a person like Wanya Sulu the way he was handled. We know you to be the police service, but now the police has turned into a UPND operative driving the agenda of President Aga Inde Chilema. The UPND uh court members are very happy with what happened to the uh this is not the Zambia I knew. If they can do that to that man, where the where does it leave you? You and I are not safe, and this is the Zambia that H H Ale to Dualango, a police uh not a service now, this is a police force. Police brutality is the order of the day. The police, even if you are if you if the police is not happy with how the citizens are conducting themselves, don't they know the right procedures? Why should somebody be manhandled like that? You are doing well for a church. We are going to vote for him again because police brutality is what Zambians love.

SPEAKER_31 1:10:18

Thank you, my dear sister. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:29

Yes, one mungong tera konambaya wam tera konambaya.

unknown 1:10:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:41

Okay, one brother and pay paniana sampa. Then you put pani for mouseampa General Secretary, Bamaket Zuru, you are president, you are given Lubinga, you are vice president, you have risky mukanirava chani so far, yeah. So friends were making Zuru Apany Ranga Mukati Mukati Mujipani Ranga or paper president. Mukati Mujipanya, Genu Secretary, our president to make Zuru, our vice friend.

SPEAKER_31 1:11:51

Oh Mungonga, you can call back. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

unknown 1:12:02

My name's Alungwarik.

SPEAKER_31 1:12:06

Yes, Lungwarik.

unknown 1:12:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_25 1:12:11

I want to make a contribution. Mamba Pf is a party that has lawyers in it. That has people of all um of all trades and knowledge. For them to continue like this, it makes me wonder. Comrade Mamba, few weeks from now, people will be registering their cardinals in ECZ. Now, if the PF, the party that everyone wanted, the party that everyone thought is the vehicle for for for removing President Hakainde Hrem is still fighting this battle today. Are we really sure that we are go uh the PF will go on balloon? Truly, it's worrisome, Comrade Mwamba. It's very worrisome. What the PF and other people need to do is to join hands with President Harikalava. President Harikalava is the brother for PF. Wherever he's talking about, you hear him, you notice out PF, he is not bad-mouthing PF. Few days ago, we saw him with President Makebe trying to put things together. I think the PF should understand and and and know to say the UPND is playing on their mind. It will be too late for them to realize what to do next. And by then, they will have nowhere to go. So for now, my contribution, Comrade Mamba, is let the PF join hands with President Harikalaba. Because as far as I know, the elections in democracy, the election, the winner is not always the person who is voted by the majority. The few individuals. Because take, for instance, the elections that happen in Chawama, the elections that happen everywhere else. When you take the uh the the numbers for the winner and those for those that have lost, you put them together, you know to say the majority didn't vote for that winner. It's the same that happens in Gasama. So it's the same Mingalato that the UPND want to play. They are few in and selling in Mundubire. At some point, Comrade Mamba, I doubt if Munduvire, they they market what they are doing is marketing Mundubire so that he divides votes for the PF. All those things they know to say we are marketing him. And they are doing that because they know to say we are dividing vote for these for the opposition. Because when we are talking about the opposition today, Comrade Mamba, we are talking about Ari Kalaba, President Makeeb and the few. So if these leaders that are of PF Roots divide the votes, HH is going to win. So it's now time, it's not too late. Let Wamakebi, let Wamdubi, let everyone go and sit down with President Ankaraba. So who reads? Take, for instance, the instance for Ediga Tagwarungu. He came in and he became a president.

unknown 1:16:03

You all supported him. And at the end of the day, it was the PF in power.

SPEAKER_25 1:16:09

I think that's my contribution, Comrade Mamba.

SPEAKER_31 1:16:12

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. There's been development in the UPND. I've seen a letter posted by Garin Kombo, where he's accepting his removal as um as uh as uh chairperson for elections. It has been posted on his page, but it's showing 2027. So, Garin Kombo, please kindly correct your letter. It's showing uh 27 February 2027. I've also put this letter on my page, and it says it was removed um uh in February, and the new appointees, Honorable Kando Falali, I think from um Senanga MP. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and tell us your good evening.

SPEAKER_37 1:16:59

Good evening, thank you. Um, my name is uh Dalysot Timbo. I'm calling you from Lansha. Yeah, my contribution first and foremost is uh I would want to applaud um uh uh Makebezulu and uh President Hadikalaba. You know, we coming in together and having some uh liaison in order to forge ahead so that we can have the much-needed uh uh unity and uh see how best we can work together as opposition, bringing our heads together because this is what we need so that we can um uh work to see that uh we have a better Zambia, unlike the Zambia that we are seeing today. We've witnessed so many injustices that have been happening, we've witnessed so many suffering, uh, truck drivers are suffering, um marketers are suffering, the youths are so much unemployed. But I think it is about time that all opposition political parties, you know, there are certain things at this point where we are Muhammad. Even if we are to go to court, we try and find and fight. Looking at the people we are dealing with, we are not capable of having to attain what we so much desire. But rather, let us recognize and look at the people that are going to help us. That's why for me at this moment, I want to applaud the um decision that has been taken by uh President Makebizulu and uh President Harikalaba that they need to come together and see how best they can um unite for the good cause of the Zambian people. The Zambian people have time and again spoken about wanting a united opposition so that they could remove uh the UB and D government that has so much troubled the people. For me, I think it is about time that people should start looking beyond personal gains, but rather look at the critic, the critical aspects that are needed to show the good governance and leadership that people expect of Zambia. The Zambian people are the people that we need to save. We don't need to save individuals. And as we make the decisions, let us look at the majority of the Zambian people that need the peace, that need the justice, that need um good health services, that need a little basic necessity that can be afforded, unlike what we are seeing today.

SPEAKER_31 1:19:35

Thank you, my submission. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:42

Good evening, Ambassador. This is uh Anonymous from the land of AI.

SPEAKER_31 1:19:46

Anonymous, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:49

Yes, sir. So um, just a couple of comments, uh, thank you again for this wonderful show where we can uh we can air our views. I think just as I'll start with a side comment and say, see, we are living in the political dispensation where when you see a politician walking freely on the streets uh in Zambia, you lose trust in them. So that is why you might find that some people no, unite, unite. Some of us are a bit hesitant because when you see a politician free, you begin to wonder is this person got books with HX? So you begin to wonder. Just a side note for people out there to keep thinking about. Let me come back to the patriotic front. I want to say that uh the PF is not just a document at the registrar's office, it's not just a document at the registrar's office, it's the people on the ground, it's the voters, the green ghost lives inside the people. So when people say, oh, what are you talking about? We are still here. They can get the paper, but in a towat makebi zulu, a president was too, and we are voting for him, they can stop us. It's not like checking out, so let's not be cheated that shishka valenge at baka se free. What we need to do as Zambian people is to unite behind the leader. Let's not cause this feeling that oh, that's hopelessness. Let's not bring hopelessness in the opposition. Okay? Rather, let's show them that whether it is the Kasmo and known party that will use, it will go. If once NCP said that we are supporting, uh we want Mackebi to stand, they went and youngered the NCP. So other parties that say, no, come and work and there's no yongering happening, you begin to actually wonder what is going on. So, um, ambassador, I want to say that Makebi has the structures of the patriotic front. Makebe Zulu has the structures of the patriotic front, and that is what matters. The election on the 21st guarantees that Makebi has command of the members of the patriotic front. He is the strongest opposition leader today. You know, we can count from the minimum 1.8 million people that we had in the last election. Those are already on his book. So now we just have to build on top of that. There's no political party, no leader who wants to stand, whether it's independently or with a party or whatever that can reach that. So those who would like to partner with us, it should come very, very humbly and we discuss. And Makembi Zulu has shown magnanimity and he has shown that he's willing to partner with others. Let's not have this notion of disparaging the PF. Like we're finished. Even the courts are failing to lock us down. You will see very soon we will have the victory. The PF is still very much alive, even if we go on a different ticket. But we are not a hopeless people, we are very much alive and we know what we want. Thank you very much, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_31 1:23:13

Thank you very much. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:23:20

Hello, good evening, uh Ambassador. You are talking to Mr. Chifunda here, yes, uh, from uh Lusaka, Zambia.

SPEAKER_31 1:23:29

Yes, Mr. Chfunda.

SPEAKER_21 1:23:31

Uh yes, yes. Um proud of the work that you have been doing lately. Um, and we uh we are behind you. Basically, continue doing what you are doing. Um, I want to raise a few concerns uh that I've seen in this country over the last uh four years that has bothered me. Firstly, this government that we are in has failed to deliver in any promise that they have ever said. We were in load shedding for four years straight, and now we don't even have any trace of loadshed, meaning that if these people win, we're going to go back. They have arrested almost everyone that I know that is a potential uh president from Kambwili. Everyone that is prominent has been arrested, and today we saw what happened at the anti-corruption. Why where were they all this time that they might bring Bran Munduhile to police today over things that happened in 2015? Just because the other the other day he stood against what they think is not okay. This will not uh take UPND anywhere. I've seen Macandire defecting to coming to the UPND, it shows you clearly now that they have really failed. So my advice to you is let's run with Makebizulu. Makebi Zulu is an anointed man of God that God has chosen for this country. There is no man that will be able to stand against that guy. So that's why he has not even been touched until now. He has the he's the guy who made them stop from what they were trying to do with the body of Ed Galungu because the hand of God is on him. I he I I am a man who knows him personally, a friend and a brother to him. And today I decided to go because it's too much. Mr. Mwamba, you will see, for as long as God lives, the mistakes that these men are making, they will you don't need to fight them. They will fight themselves and chase themselves away from this country. Thank you very much, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_31 1:26:07

Thank you, thank you very much, thank you. Okay, the line is busy, let's keep on taking the calls as many as possible so that we hear from you. Hello Cora, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Good evening.

SPEAKER_27 1:26:36

This is Alfred calling from Osaka.

SPEAKER_31 1:26:39

Yes, Alfred. Make your contribution. Yes.

unknown 1:26:53

That's a good guy.

SPEAKER_27 1:26:55

Is he excited? He should know that political power is so difficult. He is a professional. He can serve anyone after this UP and D is a professor.

SPEAKER_21 1:27:10

He should only Uh oh have you?

SPEAKER_31 1:27:22

What's happening to that? Hello, hello. The numbers are hanging. Yes, my brother, I think you are back.

SPEAKER_27 1:27:32

I was on hold. You are putting on horse. So Mr. Ziango must come down and execute his duties professionally. He has got his family. It wouldn't be good for him to lose a job. And you know, you can't you can't please a politician if you are a professional. If you try to please a politician when you are a professional, then you are trying to mess up your career. And you are trying to mess up yourself. Politicians can be brutal. When the UPN government is skipped out of power, I'm telling him they can come for him and mess him up. So he shouldn't try by all means to please disappointing powers, but he should execute his duties within the confinement of the law and regulations of the police service. Banyasuru did nothing wrong receiving such kind of a treatment or a reaction or a response by his troops. That was wrong, totally wrong. You can't treat him in such a manner, no, no, no. Then coming to uh judge how did she become a judge? Same same thing, trying to please the politicians, where are we going as a country? We have been addressing these issues for so long that line is cutting cutting.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:10

Alokola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from BND we are total for Pangenin Tungushi for our president number. Not quarter president Wamaket Zuru. Now vice president of our general secretary not quarter sampa so tampere one box special vehicle Namuevain to mbako presidentali Bamontuava Walipamo Pantu Awanwani Vesu wala preaching if you are if you are wapene wa kalemba na watch upreachy ukwe sampa Ida judgmentini fake na wavika news awant sampa baba pelechi pani na babika fake fake fake fake papewati watibu.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:40

Uyu munanja ti mbiamushiamushi na umanama uisa paliwa mwambapa wamba no kulako sele shala unity elonde kulumbako mwamba liba funishama videofiashibesu alingala trengoko kumana wati mbapia katanaso ufuombo welogiach mwamba yala funia lilanga paliwa mala mumbi pileanga wino lelo before to rapella prichia unit festifunyo nutne u alumbo woleno kupafiasha papi noista three for emerisuma trefua wantukula sonta wafuchinci awa i katana awa pilo muchinch kuriva na mayo untungu shavarubinda kuliva mouse abba fiaci messungare sana fuletu pone fuletuare gabafiashi wa pushama a my issues avering gaba fiash or vice for evanazam yo na pera makepzuru into president rubinda vice president general secretary mbape one man mausampa nape m thank you very much thank you uh please tell us your name and where you are calling us from hello nameless calling from a no man's land yes yes bamwamba yes bamwamba mwabombeni yeah m kwai uh mwamba i'm just going to combine the two yeah first and foremost the world is watching we are watching everywhere what happened today was something very very bad yeah when they had to drag somebody who is so educated like inba we are watching the whole world is watching now this actually uh makes me realize with what had happened you know with our Helen the one who was murdered because no one was there to help her but then you find that a lot of police officers are surrounding just one single person which is very sad the ambassador we breathe through your platform and completely different subject I'm going to talk about is a line cut it's still bleeding oh okay yeah continue yeah then I'm saying that my heart has bled and it is still bleeding profusely here and a woman who is talking on behalf of every woman who at this time of speaking is being abused you know Mamwanda every sex is one of the women a woman is a real caregiver you know the death of my hell has shocked the entire world it has taken me so long to come down you know that such pain she endured has left a scar in most of us those involved in a killing should be harshly punished regardless of anything you know in my view they made the end of checkups where on earth can such you know can such happen in a so-called Christian nation parents where are you parents where are you why have we turned down our polarity what education are we giving to young children to become good citizens coming back you know to the politicians I conquer with Bambi theory let's put the hands together you need bamba needs to be a large I watched you yesterday yeah when you were we were featured on one of the platforms one of the TV platforms most of the people they were preaching on coming together this is the time we need to pull up our source we know exactly what's happening the way what is we're watching every thank you very much thank you thank you we are so resting eternal peace the the the the death of that lady Helen has uh disturbed all of us allocola please tell us your name and where you are calling us from thank you dani yes I'll take your ways I think like six months ago you said you Zambians especially path front members PF can make you or destroy you I think these were the ways I would say today to say look I am thankful to God to Aliya tungulula PF now the thing is on sawant PF we know why PF is in this situation but loisa natu funya muya not kalani tungushi makebi zulu on saw pf knufeke m for my judges and kebi zulu can pick a tanepamo because he can't western if we have these policemen that are mining political opponents like the way they are doing do you think that lady would have died in Northwestern because that lady was palette in the streets and the police were not there to protect the life of that innocent person. And then there is today we have a president who what he has done in the past five years or I can see the development that is brought to the Zambian people is for him now he's got so many doctrines while the Zambian people are more divided the Zambian people don't have anything to give to their children all my appeal is a president let's work together because if we don't work together what lies ahead of us you've seen what is happening you want this to continue. Thank you God bless Zambia and let us not stop praying for the Lungu family because no family should ever go for what they have gone through ever in this history of Zambia.

SPEAKER_31 1:38:08

God bless Zambia yeah many people are telling me that they've seen um an article by Kalemba saying um uh uh ruling on 24th uh rules that 24th october pf convention was legal and that um Robert Chabinga is present no kalemba must apologize I've read the judgment nowhere nowhere has that judgment said that in fact the judgment discusses Mao Sampa's election and you know then argues uh with the facts that was presented by the patriotic front that kind of misleading by such a huge platform is extremely dangerous tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution yeah good evening Mr Mood evening yeah this is Web's uh calling from Garden House yeah I just want to contribute about what is happening in so in a party president so president harkaraba is one leader who is open to each and every politician in the background as we can see Mazoma Zoanashumanaba President Oh that line is cut this room yeah you are yeah so barka la barkawa tanga as validabatu I think Zambia Inga change and Zane as opposition leaders thank you very much let's go let's go I think uh we Hello Cola please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions I let Swungamu want to we hope accompanied sung these unprecedented times play Galamo M quiet ambassador take contribution quite a famous Atlantic slave trade although to the From Africans to the landarties were committed against us then Kurava landati for my reparations to them for Ghana edit the table chances United Nations change no but which we played because on our shows or in in our uh lands in those chiefdoms kingdoms no shavan people no some dues were made uh usually with traditional chiefs bracelets gunpowder go defeat that other tribe so that you give them as slaves to us also we play the role and it's important to recognize this that's why patriotic front in confusion maybe we are ruling court you are more patriotic front enablers new an within the patriotic front I think enamelity is within because maybe we are ruling if they play the part but when shows internal issues here patriotic front from within patriotic front and I know they are even aware of some of these internal issues here patriotic front and we still see some of those same people who were treacherous even when uh the P4 were in power candy treacherous people that because at the core but PFO uh the leadership here is patriotic but what about Kandida is she have and still but we're embraced so now we can see all these wrangles that we've got deep thing then if you see progressala then could honorable wind that could but what's happening on the ground I want to true leadership within the PF next week.

SPEAKER_13 1:44:34

No but how are you willing to start clean up without if you could start the political allegiance prerequisite to be part of the elite move patriot because as long as I was taking you to the the ruling maybe to interfere with other people I don't think people give you another mandate to rule that country ever again although serious after all we we did for them we are not happy with you you lost by a million but it's not that because people didn't like you they didn't like the confusion so number one to know do you deserve to be brought back because there is a way at least now new leadership to clean up the PS thank you thank you very much tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions yes my dear brother make your contributions my brother a pature give you to me back around this one she bata in with a vote move any one she kept any few an effort to put fitwaindera season per makebizuru ever president so to me if you have to pack around before if you under thank you very much allocola please tell us your name and where you are calling us from hi Ambassador this is Queen Plumi ah my co-host my co-host make your contribution my sister thank you so much um firstly I just want to give you credit for always having the interest of Zambians at heart I think it is clear the whole country can see that you have good intentions for this country last week you were attacked publicly over the decision that was made for the convention and you stood your ground and look here where we are today with this judgment.

SPEAKER_38 1:47:26

So what if you know we were we we were misled or waited until today then what would have happened you know so I'd like just to congratulate you and also ask the other senior officials I think to take responsibility I think you know sometimes it's good just to take responsibility and apologize and you know to show honesty and just apologize to say okay Ivamba you were right I was wrong but it's not fair that these people who called publicly almost humiliating you to go quiet when exactly what you're trying what you you you told them has happened my next point is on the this police brutality um I also want to speak to what Lamungwonge said uh this young man he has issued very weird uh videos disrespecting people and then he comes and says you know and then in the same with the same breath he starts attacking somebody else I think we need to be serious okay we we are not children it's a matter of life and death politics we can't be uh playing politics like you are talking to little kids you have to walk your top if you mean you're not going to attack anyone don't attack anyone you can't be saying I'm not gonna attack anyone and in the same breath you start attacking somebody else no police brutality it was sad to see the man bundled up is a human being is just like wow but I in a way I'm kind of happy because it confirms all these reports to the human rights uh uh watchers to the UN this is in public display on uh on global media uh platforms everybody is seeing so I think by UPND they are shooting themselves in the foot and they are just proving all the reports right it is sad this is total bullying again a woman was killed I am told actually she went to uh a V the Chief's palace I don't know allegedly the woman went to the chief's palace before she was before she died to seek refuge and she was kicked away and then I don't know what happened the chief couldn't even Protector. We saw a chief going to a market to close the market. Where was the police? But we see police bundling up one man just for a political opponent.

SPEAKER_31 1:50:12

I even saw a Queen Pumin, you are right. The woman was taken to the palace, but uh Chief Msello has issued a statement that she was not present at the uh at the palace when they brought the woman. But um to some extent you are right because the palace is an institution. Someone should have protected the woman.

SPEAKER_38 1:50:37

Exactly.

SPEAKER_31 1:50:37

But the chief uh has said that he was unavailable when they took the woman there.

SPEAKER_38 1:50:49

Yeah, it's really sad. I really feel sad as a woman. You know, it could have been me. It could have been my sister, my daughter, you know. So I think we need to do better on that. And then uh lastly, the issue of Ramon Dovile. You know, it's just sad to see how he can the case can be brought up after five years. Again, it proves political persecution. So why were they sitting on this case all this time? You know, and I feel for Ramondovile. Right now, I was just sitting and thinking, you know, Ramundo Vile knew this thing hanging on his head. He was just waiting for day for the day that he would be summoned. Can you imagine this? That this is a rule of terror. It's terrorizing. For Ramundo, and you know, I even feel sorry for him. I'm like, he's really strong, you know, because we heard these things, but now to see it in black and white, that uh for five years these people knew this and they were holding it and just waiting like to pound. You know, it's the same thing that's happening to the Lungo family. So our plea to summarize this, vote for my KB. My KB has been around president. And this, even the election, the way he won it, is it's almost spiritual. People need to know. Look at the caliber of a leader you are voting for. Kuloreja Pamonto. He has been around power, and somehow that power has gotten to him. What if a banda, who are the pali wa ECO? So it's the writing is on the wall. It's up to us when Azambia to just rally behind my Kebi, and it's going to be an election between two people. Oh, this unity we are done. Election calendar now, if Mamlina, that unity. Honestly, these people have not united for the balung of the freedom of preaching unity. I submit.

SPEAKER_31 1:52:53

Thank you, thank you, Queen Pumi. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_22 1:53:01

Thank you, thank you. Anan was in Zambia. Uh yeah, judgment. So, ine ine maganizoyanga, niakuti chiribuino, PFU Sempe Baisi ya kuri mouse samba, was it giving a vacukoti koti since Tinachos na mm Tinachos Nakutala Makeebi as a running mutuwa and a PFU Pamini gani kuti, chiribwino, kutenga ipamozi, alliance kuenda na yo, bamene wantuo sebaza choka, bapiefu sendakuri makebizuru, pamene bain bekeza kuti vintuvose vinkalibuino. Ngati kuzankala footing sokone zugurima kebbi zuru sinsi uyu makalava a gome la kuti bafu na kuti wankali bamozi, bangankare pamozi ngati pangalam sokone zumakebbi zuru, chilibuino, nikuta handen kuninda nkuri kuri kalava. Nakuve kuja kuri brandimundu ngati bankana problem. Bajamatoli ku branimun kita wankala futi pamozi nichi problem shia si la manga tariapa akamba uulia pakamba u nishikubi ba mini visat andizika, bakugawa nigana. Kumaj funikani unity was kwati kalava, sanga wineka, makebi sanga wineka, blanimunwesanga wineke, chanji funika jani ni unity. So a program ya pf original pf im sire ni mouse samba atinane na kunganya koti mwe genti na chani na bakebbi zulu. Orebe, bati niavan banatoka kudala kuli kuri kuli pfwamini ku koti wanachoka moko dala. Wanikuni dani kuli brani yan kuli bakebbi zuru. So, gentu one saboti pasemakebi zuru, makebi zulu kam chuchunga foti, kizakambat uh pasa uyunzako, aminali pafupina yiwe, amin alibe, mlan uli wonse, chamene wafuna wand, wafuna wuti, but jose ibo my minipo. Nichamini wafuna wantu.

SPEAKER_31 1:55:10

Thank you very much. Thank you.

SPEAKER_22 1:55:13

Manuel, thank you very much. My pamozi ma votti, the pozo, ebo my choke. So that the ma ke papi papa. Banika kuzela and the size by pamoz manika kupasam voti baniko pasa nani uameni we tenu. Ui calaba. Nani echi. Footin kuja putemundu i reguja. This brand munda win. Fu tany kumara mozia tatatu, makebi, brandimundu we harikalab. Manikum cara pamongo inambu.

SPEAKER_31 1:55:49

Thank you very much. Hello, caller one one one one one uh please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_16 1:55:56

Hello, hello.

SPEAKER_31 1:55:58

Yes, colour. Uh tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_16 1:56:01

Um I'm anonymous calling from Solozi.

SPEAKER_31 1:56:04

Anonymous, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_16 1:56:07

Yes, uh you've worked as a as a as an ambassador in many countries in Africa and outside. I think Vamwamba takuli ko international communities. I can say uh American uh American ambassador or Russian ambassador. I think are they noticing what is happening in Zambia, please? I think I'm Zambia, they're not too clear in Kondo.

SPEAKER_31 1:56:52

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you, I'll call her from Soloese.

SPEAKER_16 1:57:01

They didn't even they they they were taking them as if they are not they haven't killed anyone. But that one just from talking, they manhandled him like a smoke boy. I think Zambia should should I I think uh man should talk. You should say something because you work in these international communities. Please let American American Embassy help us, Zambians. I thank you.

SPEAKER_31 1:57:26

Thank you very much. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions. Good evening.

SPEAKER_26 1:57:36

Uh, this is Chola calling you from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_31 1:57:40

Chola, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_26 1:57:41

I'm also contribu yes, I'm also making a contribution towards what is happening in our country. Gamu alone, this is the high time as the former politician, especially for position, ukulele kesha, ukuvati wosh, tu wabumbana inani. But walonesha wumuteba Putabari Fuku Panyaio. And in a slow state batu periku wava gainde e chilema. Echotulombo kwebati, if of position for intubamundubile, make zulu, to adi umfu munin fwe president, aito kwebatiba neni edo asansu bate sendo chamuntu mochisendo chabonze pantule, loki babani makebi, marilo babani mundubile, udabu shukuchi babaniba presidenti kalaba, echoba president naba sendo lutam pulokukonka, bon sababa munini fuaba de murishi, mude fift pani fiabu tumati sendi pamu tubombele pamu. Echotulet na bio, kulibon sabadi mpiye socialist, abadi kuliba makebi, neba di kuriba mundubile. Wa kalaba nave sule fibukovati, sendibane tu nga bombila pamu kwebati to tuale echalo chespanchi, u won kalwe, wachi la kuliaba bandunga tuaba panya alata tuapusuke wonse, etualombo kovati sendu mania kapi, no ku kubombela chapamo, ifia sits and fest, fidifiya isula kuibonse, nato tirabamwam.

SPEAKER_31 1:59:20

Yeah, thank you very much. Hello, thank you very much. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_18 1:59:30

I'm calling you um I'm calling you from Sorwesi. This is Greg Miyanda.

SPEAKER_31 1:59:34

Yes, Mr. Miyanda, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_18 1:59:37

Yes, I wanted to contribute something towards the program.

SPEAKER_31 1:59:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_18 1:59:41

Uh opposition in Kikatana Maria. If we have grassroots, issue. What's the problem? You can't have voice in a katani for you, I mean for which I'm sana. Ah, by UPND, never meet a manaka in a we should be catana we should have. So you must have more incredible leadership. Chapo and is twenty lama voice. So, anyway, that's my contribution.

SPEAKER_31 2:00:29

Thank you very much. Thank you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us.

SPEAKER_30 2:00:36

Mwa womben mkwaiba mwamba.

SPEAKER_31 2:00:38

Mwa wombeni mkwai.

SPEAKER_30 2:00:42

This is uh Susan Mwale from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_31 2:00:45

Susan Mwale, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_30 2:00:49

Um also very happy that everybody's concerned is to see that we remove this government. And I also want to agree with a lot of people that have contributed to say, Umuntu Ngaype, shokata tuabombe one one, but we katani, like President Harikalabadido the press of the other day, we head to say, I want everyone to drop their ego. But mari to like umtu a lefoku wombelecha Zambia, Amelekel Boko Batwa at Wombele Bamo, Namakebi Zuru Nalamu Mona or Nava Shala. So is any get to Gru Shibose Babombele Tapekatani, Zambia Turefay Pantachi Ashana Fosetula becom we sa. I want to back the words of Harikalaba. He opened up, let everybody follow suit. Thank you very much, sir.

SPEAKER_31 2:01:58

Thank you, thank you. Let's just get a recap before we wind up. What were we discussing today? The patriotic front judgment. What happened is there has been a case of nine MPs that um that should Mouse Sampa at the time that he held um an illegal um uh uh conference. The court today said Mouse Sampa held a legitimate legal conference. I've seen our sections I would mention the media, Kalemba. Kalemba is a very big platform, which is saying the court said the party goes to Robert Chavinga. That is not true. If you look at the judgment, it doesn't even say that. It's only talking about that matter between Bran Munuwile, Rafael Nakachanda, and the nine MPs on one side, and Mao Samba, who was joined by two defendants, Robert Chavinga and Mogan Ningona, and it has said that conference was illegal according to High Court Judge Conceptor Zulu. So we had Brian Munuwile as first plaintiff, we had Stephen Campiongo, second plaintiff, we had um on the third Kangombe, Christopher Kangombe as um third plaintiff, fourth plaintiff was um um um remember from Chitambo, uh fifth plaintiff was um uh my dear brother from uh Chilu Chiluvic constituency, uh sixth plaintiff was my dear brother from Lunte constituency, um and uh the seventh plaintiff uh washi member of parliament Imanium Mpankata, eighth plaintiff was Rafael Nakachinda, uh Secretary General of the party. This was the case. So you are these MPs you are the Secretary General of the Patriotic Front, throwing mouse up by the judge to decide uh that that conference that we were challenging was uh generally uh uh held. I have said the PF on their side should appeal against that case so that they can argue these issues because, for example, it anchors on the issue of um uh that uh they didn't have a sec they didn't have a central committee because the key six officials resigned. On the other side, although Miles Ampa has won this case, the other beneficiaries to that judgment. There are those two who were joined to the case as defendants, Morgan and Robert Chavinga. So although although Mao Sampa has won, and this becomes a second judgment in the same court where he has won, you have to deal with the issue of Moganingona and Robert Chavinga. The two already have a dispute. Mal Sampa fired them, as you saw by the other judgment, and they contended that they fired them. There's that dispute that has to be settled. But as we see today, the judgment favors Mouse Ampa. And where is Malpa? Mouse Ampa is with the original patriotic front because they had settled this matter. How you handle this becomes a leadership issue. There will be contention from Mogan and Robert Chavinga. If it is Robert Chavinga, he shouldn't be even entertained because he formally joined the UPND together with Sandy Chanda at that event in Nakonde where the president uh was. So let me take the last calls and then we close the program. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Yes, Miss Samuel. Not quite a feedback, not quite a feedback, not quite a feedback, not shaky, um feel like a memo.

SPEAKER_19 2:09:56

I didn't want to take away to my chair. I mean, I mean I can't do it. I'm not a fight. Just forget about that.

SPEAKER_31 2:10:42

Thank you very much. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:52

This is my pen and stagatura from Lunte. So you don't have a program for Mali to quite a man to be lambda chula. If we watch the background, we are willing to want to go out and wish the body from Yavani. So it doesn't matter, but the body changes by Shavinavai and defeat conditions by the maniac. So one in a change defeat. Otherwise, next five years conditions are blah blah by Mano. So that to you, Bala Pundala Mujato.

SPEAKER_17 2:14:06

I don't call a pretty tell us your name and you are calling us from I'm calling from within Lusaka.

SPEAKER_31 2:14:24

Tell us your your name and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_17 2:14:38

Yes, let me add my voice. You allow people to vote for you to exercise the democratic right. You don't force yourself to be the leader of the people, but you allow a man to have a voter. But what I'm saying, I am I think you know to allow the August 2026, when I if I can compare two years at before that.

SPEAKER_31 2:17:05

Thank you very much. I'm beginning to take the last calls one to a qualified. It was an emotive debate. It was important that we discuss this matter, but I'm beginning to close down, make your contributions. Okay, thank you very much. Today we're discussing the judgment and the latest development in the High Court judge uh uh Conceptor Zulu issued a judgment, a long-awaited judgment. And many people have said you had warned that this judgment could go either side. Yes, I did. Because I said you just can't be hopeful that the judgment will be in favor of Naka Chinda, Bran Mundwile, and others. What if it goes to the defendant who was Mao Sampa, Robert Chavinga, and Morgan Ngona? What if it goes the other side? I don't know why people were trying to plan only one way. It could have gone either side. I say we are very fortunate. Even then I had said we are very fortunate that whichever way the judgment will go, it will somehow benefit us because the main contender on the other side, Mao Sampa, is with us. He reconciled with the late president Edgar Lungum. And whatever happens, whether we win, in fact, as you saw the factors today, is that the Brian Mundwede team were also going to be a factor because they were the plaintiff. It was Rafael Nakachinda and the MPs I read from Mlenga Fube from Chirubi. You know, remember Mtali from Chitambo, from Lunte. You know, um uh my dear brother from Lunte. Um Brian Mundwile himself and uh Christopher Kangombe. All these were going to be beneficiaries of the judgment if we won, because they were the plaintiff. The issue was that the records at Red Strof Saturday should have restored in this case to ECL and those that were there before uh Mouse Ampa held the conference. So, in my view, this was a win-win situation. Either way, even if Mal Sampa has won this case, remember he has two other defendants that he the issues he has to resolve. And what this means again is matters unfortunately remain in court because there is um a court injunction in Kawe and another court injunction in the court of appeal where Morgan is pleading with the courts to protect him, that he's still SG until his here is uh appeal is heard in the court of appeal. All these we know are frustrations. And I like the call by uh the people that leaders must see beyond these personal differences and personal ambitions and come together. They've held the decision of um they've held the decision of uh uh uh makebizulu to meet Harikalawa, they've demonstrated their excitement and they are saying other leaders, Bran Mundwale, Fred Membe, uh KBF and others should come together. Unity will be the only way in which uh the opposition will be united and uh at which they will present uh a strong challenge. Nomination days have been put to uh 18th May 2026, and Socialist Party Dr. Cosmas Musumali has written has written that um they they should be separated with that for MPs and I agree with the moment. God bless you. We'll see you on Sunday.

SPEAKER_15 2:21:41

We want change, we want change, we want change, we want change, we want to change the polila body.