ECZ STAKEHOLDER MEETING

ON 17TH APRIL 2026, ECZ WILL HOLD A STAKEHOLDERS MEETING TO DISCUSS THE CONCERNS REGARDING THE 2026 GENERAL ELECTIONS 

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Thank you very much, and um welcome to today's broadcast. We hope that you can share the broadcast share to as many people as possible. Uh we discuss, as usual, the state of the nation, and I'd like you to join us just uh checking if the volume is okay. Uh, remember I'd said that I'm transitioning from the use of my podcast mic to um uh a lapo microphone is wireless. So I want to ensure that uh we have no glitches and that transition is not affected at all. Uh so if the volume is okay, you can just indicate in the comments that the volume is okay so that we can hear ourselves properly before we we get on the program. Share the broadcast. Uh Zambia is holding general elections this year, and all these broadcasts will be very, very important to inform ourselves, share uh the views, the concerns, and the developments as they happen, because many things will be happening at supersonic speed. So just share if the volume is okay, if everything is okay, so that uh uh we know that uh we are on track. There are many developments that we are discussing, okay? From my monitor, it looks like the volume is okay. Okay, hit the share button. That way, many people, your views, your viewers, will know that we are live. You are privileged to watch us, but just click on that share button so that uh uh uh your audience can know that we are live. We are on YouTube, we are on X, we are on um uh uh uh TikTok, we uh on many platforms and and and just share the button. Thank you very much. There are many things that we are discussing today, but to narrow down just to three three key issues. We have discussed a police recruitment. President Hakainde H Lema today made comments that he's following up on the matter and that he is is you know, as soon as he's gotten a full brief about it, he will inform the country. Of course, that uh was uh not met very well by stakeholders. He's a commander of the armed forces, and for him to express like uh the report even hasn't reached him or is yet to reach him, I think um uh annoyed a lot of stakeholders. And among them was Celestine Mukandila who played his video uh because he felt that the president is commander-in-chief and he should be ahead before the country even knows about it. He should know about it. The UPND held his conference today. The fi you know the general conference long awaited the the members in the party led by Charles Longwe and others have termed it illegal because the conveners of this meeting uh their mandate expired in February, and according to the constitution of the UPND, they cannot call or convene any meetings. So he says the conveners of these meetings are illegal. The matter remains in court. But um uh uh the the UPND proceeded as no injunction to stop them despite the court process and have elected president Hakainde H Lemaza, flag bearer for the 2026 elections. Mr. President, congratulations. We hope we hope now that you are a former presidential candidate from the UPND. We wish to congratulate you. But we still call upon you, Mr. President, to guarantee that Zambia will hold democratic, credible, transparent, peaceful, free and fair elections. Those limbs have to be met. Uh there are requirements by SADIC, by the African Union, by the European Union, and by the United Nations. These are standards. We have committed ourselves. That Zambia is a democratic state. It will hold democratic elections, meaning there should be fair competition. You've banned the PF, you've used courts of law to ban the PF. The environment has not been free. MNR, John Sangwa, has up to now not registered his political party and we'll discuss that later. Are the elections credible? Mr. President, you have an ECZ commissioner run by four people that we have expressed consent, the two commissioners and the two uh key directors. We think that the four should not be at the electoral commission. But you even wish to attach your personal lawyer, who's also a UPND, active member holding an active position in uh Sivanji. Zefianji Sinkala, a lawyer from Luansha and who's in the party structures in Luansha, is your personal lawyer. You took him to uh the national airports corporation, he did very badly. He was involved in tender processes, that uh he was interfering in the tender processes there, and he was fired by the minister of transport. But whatever your personal relationship with Mr. Zivianji Singhala, he shouldn't be at the ECZ. ECZ is designed to be an independent body, autonomous body. It's supposed to be a referee in elections and a body for all political parties. So the elections will then be credible, Mr. President, until you clean up ECZ, it's not possible for Zambia to hold free and fair elections. The other uh limb that both the African Union, SADIC, and the UN insist on is that the process must be transparent. We've seen the process has not been transparent. The registration of uh of voters and the issuance of NRC was uh marked by what is best known as voter suppression. Because in areas where the UPND is strong, the process went smoothly, and sometimes many months before it was officially commissioned. And to areas where you suspect you are not uh strong, there was frustration, there was no ink, there was no paper, there was no Genset, there was no fuel. Literally, you embarked on a vote suppression where you recorded low numbers by sabotage in the process, official sabotage. So will the elections be transparent? We are all concerned. Another limb to watch for is peaceful. Will the election be peaceful? I think, Mr. President, this becomes as a matter for the health status of our country. Can we guarantee peace and security of our country? Should we sacrifice uh peace and security that we've enjoyed for the last 62 years just because of an election that comes once in a cycle of five years? And the two key principles, free and fair elections, the last ones, are also very you have to be fair, you have to be free. So to hold elections that are free and fair, Zambia has to meet all those issues. Look at what the ECZ is, I mean, what ECZ is doing, what the Zambia police is doing. Parliament currently is discussing and has tabled, and I'll sample the details in um the electoral process bill of 2026 that seeks to amend the Electoral Process Act of 2016. This law is extremely bad. And I hope as stakeholders go to the meetings tomorrow, they should demand that ECZ withdraws that bill. That bill is extremely bad. It's calling for the removal of security features on a ballot paper. There should be no signature at the back, there should be no stamp, there should be no uh watermark. All the security features of a ballot paper will be removed. Now, ECZ has been saying no, but they are guaranteed because you have serial numbers and people can counter. We know what happens in an election, and we know uh uh how thinly spread people that are informed are across the country. It's just dangerous to remove those features. Besides, these ballots are expected to be kept until election petitions are done, and I think there's a requirement they have to be kept for another year. So you cannot compromise on the quality of the ballot paper. This law seeks to remove that. This law is empowering extreme powers to the registrar of societies, literally. Between them and DCZ, they can bar candidates, they can stop candidates, they can exclude candidates. That provision where they are giving a lot of powers to the uh you know to the registrar of societies is totally unacceptable. Uh please share the button. I don't want to be speaking alone and I want to understand that we are okay. I want us because it's your program and you'll be coming on. I want everything to be crisp and clear. Uh okay. Hagai K says uh volume is okay. Kennedy Kaave says we are following your program from Lusaka Woodlands, volume is okay. We are watching from Siavonga, Southern Province. Ah, there's a gentleman who says we are calling we are watching from Afghanistan. Um okay, so it is clear, we are clear. So at our thoughts, and I just saw the phones keep on ringing. I felt that maybe there was something wrong with the with the volume. So this is it. As you meet stakeholders tomorrow, you the political leaders from drawn from political parties, have a copy. I have a copy right now of the electoral process bill. If you don't have a copy, call me. I share it with you. And you highlight the concerns that are in the electoral process bill. It's given a lot of powers to ECZ. ECZ can cancel an election, ECZ can can um exclude candidates. ECZ can, once the election campaign varied, is fixed for 90 days. ECZ is seeking powers. They can cite everything to cancel the campaign period. Now, the campaign period is constitutional. I don't think that you can have subsidiary legislation that can vary such a constitutional mandate. Because remember, we inked in in our constitution in 2016 fundamental issues that incumbents used to take advantage of to avoid surprise elections. We inked in the election date, locked in, and we also prescribed when the election is due. And the life of parliament was also inked in five years, five years, and we have an election in 90 days. This is it. In the electoral process, B we is seeking to vary the mandate for the campaign period, the 90 days. They can use an excuse. Remember, President Akainde HLM has been to every province, and sometimes in many provinces, he has been to various districts. For the last five years, all President Akainde HLM did was campaigning. Is already well known, is media visibility and public visibility extremely high. The ECZ by seeking to vary the election period, they can disadvantage, for example, new candidates. Remember, there are new candidates that have been that that is that have emerged. We didn't know Brian Mundwill will be a candidate in 2026. We didn't know Makebizulu will be a candidate in 2026. There are other candidates that have emerged. Sebastian Kopalande, did we know that you'll be a presidential candidate? We did it. So this is it. Can unilaterally say we are suspending campaigns and it would disadvantage, especially the new entrance to the presidential race. People know Fred Member was a candidate in 2021. People know Harry Calabar was a candidate in 2021. People know Andy Ford Banda was a candidate in 2021. People know Sean Temple was a candidate in 2021. But they don't know these new candidates that are seeking your mandate and your vote in 2026. So the powers that the electoral process bill is giving to the ECZ are extremely worrying. And I hope that the presidential candidates, as they go to the meeting tomorrow, will pay particular attention. They should line and outline their concerns and put them to ECZ. If the electoral process bill passes, it is not possible that Zambia will hold democratic, credible, transparent, peaceful, free and fair elections. If this bill passes, remember, it's coming on the backbone of the Bill 7 that became Article 13 of the Republican constitution, which has disadvantaged and uh many people and it has overhauled the electoral system in Zambia in a unilateral and fashionable way. We are yet to recognize the ramifications of Bill 7. Remember, the electoral process bill is being pushed on the understanding that there has been amendments on the grand norm, on the constitution. So they are justifying these terrible amendments that are giving powers to ECZ and to registrar societies. On the amendments that were done, that this law is to facilitate the constitutional process. We should go to this election on the old law, not on the new laws. I think that there should be a way in which the stakeholders should demand that we go to elections with a status quo. This law is very bad, and there's just no time even to litigate against it. So the Electoral Commission of Zambia is holding uh uh this meeting tomorrow, and um they are expected to gather uh political leaders in one room and give them a brief uh understand their concerns about uh nomination fees, the nomination calendars. Remember, ECZ should have started today. Should have started today with uh the electoral calendar where they were supposed to receive hundred um uh candidates per district per province, 1,000 from presidential candidates. This was folly in itself. Because imagine you are a presidential candidate, yet you are a member of parliament, and parliament's life has not come to an end. It's coming to an end next month, and you express interest to stand as president, you have to vacate your seat as MP. That's what the law says. You can you cannot be both we don't run, you know, uh a parliamentary system like the one in the UK, where the prime minister is also a member of parliament. In this case, a president is not a member of parliament. So, what about one who's aspiring to be president and for official nominations? What are the ramifications to the law that talks about a member of parliament who should not be a presidential candidate? So you have to wait for the life of parliament to come to an end before you can engage in that process. This is it is starting it very early, extremely early. Um let me get a picture of uh Mongala Zalumis and Brown Cassaro who will be running the meeting tomorrow. And uh we have two other issues we are discussing. The shock announcement by John Sangwa. I frantically tried to reach him. He's a dear friend of mine, he's been on this podcast several, several times. I was privileged even in my other podcast, the conversation podcast where I profiled him. And you know, he's he is one of your favorite personalities on this podcast. Every time I'm hosting John Sangwa, you've turned up in very huge numbers to watch his podcast. So the shock announcement is made because of public interest. I'll make comment on it. But I wish that I was making comment after speaking to him to understand the decision that he has made. But I will make my views from the letter that he wrote and offer my opinion. So hold on for that. And my thoughts on John Sangwa's shock resignation, shock announcement of his presidential ambition and the manner in which he structured his letter and the thoughts he communicated. And again, uh the the issue to state is that I have not spoken to John Sangwa, he's a dear friend of mine, dear friend of this podcast. And like I said, you turn up in huge numbers every time Sangha was coming here. But these are public issues, public affairs. And I'll comment from that perspective. I hope that John Sangwa can come to the program and explain the rationale. Like he did when he was. Building up momentum to stand as a president. He was a regular on this podcast to explain his thoughts about the country, which views and ideas you assimilated and and got excited about. So if he has abandoned his journey, what does it mean? I want to comment about it and I want uh John Sangwa State Council to come on this program. So uh let's just take a break, then we'll briefly talk about police um police uh uh police recruitment, and then we'll open the phone lines for you to join.

SPEAKER_13 22:33

Greetings to you all, countrymen and women, wish to raise concerns over presidential statements and governance oversight. The PF Pamosi Alliance wishes to express its deep concerns regarding the recent public statement made by His Excellency President Harainde Islema, which raised serious questions about governance, oversight, and accountability within the executive. It is both alarming and unacceptable that a sitting head of state and commander-in-chief of the defense and armed forces would publicly profess ignorance over the operations of a key security institution. Such remarks have far-reaching implications as they risk eroding public confidence in the leadership and coordination of the critical arms of government. The Zambian people expect and deserve a president who is fully informed, in control, and accountable for the actions of all institutions under his authority. Any indication to the contrary creates a perception of a government operating without firm direction and autopilot mode that is detrimental to national stability and effective governance. As a nation, we cannot afford ambiguity or detachment at the highest level of leadership, particularly on matters concerning national security and public administration. Transparency, responsibility, and command must be the hallmark of any serious government or administration. As we approach the general election scheduled for August 13, 2026, we urge citizens to reflect on the quality of leadership required to move Zambia forward. The time has come to reject complacency and demand leadership that is proactive, honest, and fully engaged with the realities of governance. The PF Pamosi Alliance remains committed to restoring integrity, accountability, and strong leadership in public office. Under the presidency or the leadership of President Makebizulu, the nation will witness a government that is fully aware, responsive, and transparent in all its operations, including critical processes such as police recruitment and national security administration. Zambia deserves leadership that inspires confidence and upholds the highest standards of government. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_10 25:28

Yeah, thank you very much. There are a lot of concerns happening in our country, the lawlessness. Imagine a speaker. You know, to be speaker, the constitution has outlined who will be speaker. You remember the members of parliament are 156. The president nominates uh eight, and then the parliament elects uh three people. Now the constitution is very clear. The speaker can be an outsider, is usually an outsider, like Nelly Moot was, like Dr. Patrick Matibini uh was, like many speakers, they're outsiders brought in and voted for. There's always an election. Usually there's more than one name. So is the first speaker that can come from outside. The current speaker is a former member of parliament, I think, for for one of the constituencies from Southern Province, I remember. But the second speaker is elected from the opposition. That's why you saw Mimba uh Mimba Malama was uh first deputy speaker, but Catherine Mugala was the second speaker. The second speaker is is is is obtained from the opposition. So uh Sam Moyo, uh Moses Moyo, who is the second speaker, is supposed to represent the interest of the opposition. He's supposed to bring from the opposition. In fact, when we're electing speakers, the PF nominated Stephen Campiongo because of his vast experience to be the second speaker. But the UPND objected and they brought in an independent, because it has to be an independent speaker who comes as second deputy. They have to come from the opposition. This is to ensure that in the presidium of speakers, because there are three: the main speaker, the first speaker, uh the and the second speaker, the deputy two speaker, sorry. To to encourage fairness, objectivity, the constitution is very clear that the second deputy speaker should come from the opposition. From day one, Moses Moyo acted like he was a member of the ruling party. He was very harsh in punishment. You remember the flare up between him and Brian Munduwile at one time because of the oppression he was given to members of parliament. Now, this week, the other week, he came out openly and joined, not talked about the UPND. He formally joined the UPND and he was clothed with the UPND regalia. In normal democracies, Speaker Moyer should have immediately resigned the structure of our constitution. He has flouted not just the constitution, but the various acts that regulate parliaments and the standing orders. He should have been representing the opposition, either independents or the opposition. The first speaker and first deputy speaker usually would come from the ruling party. They would propose those names. What that Moyo has done and is still sitting as speaker, he can go to jail for that. And I wish we were like Kenya. Kenya, they litigate every flaw. They test it in court. As we just complain on radio, on TV, on podcast, and it ends there. We should be like Kenya. And every time there is a major flaw when the president misconducts himself. You've seen in Kenya President William Ruto wanted to extend and borrow new money from the IMF and people went to court and stopped. He was about to sign that uh health uh uh grant from the US, you know, the billions that are coming with that health grant. Someone went to court and stopped it. I wish that we should grow from complaining on radio, TV, and podcast to actually testing the law. Of course, you you and I know that the judiciary is extremely vibrant in Kenya. It's totally independent. This is a judiciary that even nullified a sitting president who had, they felt that his election was marred by irregularities. It's a very vibrant judiciary. But you know, it's our prayer that we begin to put these issues on record. What Moses Moyo has done is an illegality and he should resign. So is what Sandechanda has done, so is what Davison Mungandu has done. So is what Robert Chavinga has done. So is all these people that have formally joined the UPND crossing the floor. The constitution forbids strictly anyone crossing the floor. In politics, when someone crosses the floor, physically you've seen parliament, they are designated place. You cannot walk from the opposition bench and you go and sit on the bench on the speaker's right, which is for government. You cannot do that. That's what is called crossing floors. So by defecting, in parliamentary language, you have crossed the floor. That is totally illegal, forbade by our constitution. But you have all these from Sydney Mushanga from Kwacha and even Chasefu, independent member of parliament, they've all formally joined the um the UPND. And this is where I ask, where is Lars to litigate against this and leave a record? Remember, the Law Association of Zambia on these governance issues have been very instrumental. Remember when President, President Edgar Lungu extended the mandate in his reading as a lawyer and the advice he got from the Attorney General, he felt that there was a provision in the constitution that allowed ministers to stay in office until the last day of campaigns. It's provided for in the constitution. But Law Association of Zambia said, no, you are giving yourself advantage that is not provided for. They went to court and the MPs and ministers, the ministers who were everywhere using and abusing public resources because the law allowed them to stay in office, they were haunted by a judgment of the constitutional court to debt some still haven't paid. There was one lump sum payment for everyone, but there are people that are still paying 10 years later. You should know. So Moses Moyo, Sande Chanda, Robert Chavinga, Davison Mungandu, Sidney Mushanga, and all those, including the mayors, you know, the mayors like Moya Simpasa or the mayors that uh George Mwanza from Chipata. You are members of the Patriotic Front and you have crossed floors. This can haunt you. Like those ministers who were in office for 90 days and the process haunted them for 10 years. This can haunt you. Don't feel safe that you have a ruling party that's protecting you. What you've done is an illegality. And we hope the Law Association of Zambia, I don't know who the new members are, Kaluba and his team that have been elected. We don't know how vibrant they will be. And you know there are camps in uh in the law association of Zambia. Every time there's an elective conference, sometimes government invests a lot of money to get compliant leadership because it's a very sensitive period, and they want a silent law association of Zambia. So I hope that that law association of Zambia and its new president and council will take on these big, big issues that are happening. Um let's see, let's see. So before I go to John Sangwa, let me just update you. This is H Person Mongala Zalomist who will tomorrow be holding uh a meeting with political parties to discuss the electoral calendar and the concerning issues. I'm urging political leaders, I'm urging political leaders to go with the electoral process bill. That bill, that bill is extremely harmful to our country holding free and fair elections. Go and read out what should be removed. Go and challenge, go and demand answers from ECZ. It is in the benefit of our country, benefit of your members, that you challenge this law that has been promoted and pushed by Mwangala Zalomis. And I've always said don't underestimate Mwangala Zalomis. Everything she's doing is not that she doesn't know the law. Don't be fooled by naivety that she's an old woman over auntie, you know, Kimakwenyani on my side, she's Makwenyani. No, these are national affairs. Mwangala Zalomis' profile is extremely powerful. She was a member of the Central Committee of UNIP. She was a lawyer for Dr. Kaounda during turbulent times. Under Mwanawasa, she headed the electoral reform technical committee that proposed significant amendments for the electoral process. Most of the things you've seen come to pass, you can attribute them to Mwangala Zalomis. Many of you treat her that she doesn't know what she's doing or she's being used. She knows exactly what she's doing. She's a deployee of the UPND, she's a deployee of President Hakainde H Lema. And she has come to advantage him using her knowledge. She's abusing her knowledge of the electoral process in Zambia, which she has been at it for a long time to ensure that you are disadvantaged, you are weakened, you are isolated. That is her purpose. She's a deployee of the UPND. That is why we've demanded for her removal. Look at the chief electoral officer, Brown Kasaro, distinguished record. You know, he advises political parties in Africa on how to make their systems efficient. But Brown Cassoro is not suitable to be ECZH chief electoral officer because of what happened in 2016, where he was caught attempting to manipulate results in favor of the UPND. This gentleman, highly qualified, capable, is a deployee of the UPND to do exactly what they are doing. You have to be very careful. And then if he is supported by the law, the electoral process bill, well, we might as well just declare Zambia a one-party state. Because Ichilema will win by 98%, because the credible candidates will be bad. The strong candidate who will remain standing will be weakened in a manner that they may not even be allowed to campaign because the electoral process bill is just closing and giving a lot of powers to ECZ. They can even disqualify a candidate in the electoral calendar, in the campaign period. Those powers should never be allocated to Mwangala Zalomis. Those powers should remain with the courts of law. They should never be uh arrogated or given or granted to the registrar of societies. Those powers should remain a petition issue, a matter to be determined by the judiciary, not by ECZ. They are taking a lot of those powers that were vested in the courts unto themselves. So be wary, be aware. This is not uh uh uh uh a joke. I was looking for a picture of my dear brother John Sango. Let me see if I have it.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

As um we go towards elections, it's very important for people to maintain their confidence in the judiciary. The judiciary means well. Uh, it is not made up of politicians, we are all apolitical, and uh therefore we mean very well we mean to dispense justice, and we hope that uh the disputes that will arise in the run-up to elections will be resolved quickly, and those that will arise after elections will be resolved as quickly as possible and in the best manner possible. As um we go towards elections, it's very important for people to maintain their confidence in the judiciary. The judiciary means well, uh, it is not made up of politicians, we are all a political, and uh therefore we mean very well, we mean to dispense justice, and we hope that uh the disputes that will arise in the run-up to elections will be resolved quickly.

SPEAKER_10 39:10

Congratulations to President Hakainde Ichlema, who the UPND have elected, that will be you will be their flag bearer in the 2026 elections. They held uh a general conference today where they've elected him as president. Congratulations, Mr. President. But there are issues, Mr. President. Would you uh be able to guarantee that you under your watch, Zambia will hold democratic, credible, transparent, peaceful, free and fair elections? Mr. President, that's our question to you. To your party members, uh Charles Longwe and uh Patrick Tembo Banda have challenged this conference of yours. He says it's not legal because the people that held this conference did not have the mandate to hold it. On our side, congratulations, and we hope and pray that you'll allow free and fair elections. The last one, let me go back to the most difficult part. My comments on John Sangwa. Most of you said, Ambassador, you are quiet, you are discussing everything else on your page except this monumental letter by John Sangwa. Let me just go back to it and cite the reasons he has stated. Let me just just give me a minute uh as as I look for Sanghwa's letter. Uh he wrote a letter, shock, shock letter to the country that he was withdrawing his presidential candidate. And um and that uh he cited three major reasons why he was withdrawing. So John Sangwa, state counsel, prominent lawyer in our country with uh uh practice law for over 36 years, is you know, he's been a co-partner to Robert Smeza and uh uh, you know, uh Smesangwa Associate, one of the prominent law firms in our country. They were also running the Legal Resource Foundation that litigated and helped many, many, you know, offered paralegal work for many, many communities across the country. One of the most, one of the most successful NGOs that was run, and I hope that they can still go back and scale it up. So John Sangwa came into politics to clean up. He said he was going to do something very different. He didn't want to set up a political party. He says, that's what everyone does. I want this to come from the people. His approach was totally different from everyone else. He says, we'll form a movement, I'll spearhead the movement, but it will be about the people. And he then set a target of one million. Remember, the largest political party in Zambia, as of 2021, for the statistics I have, is the Patriotic Front that has, I think, uh had on their register about 420,000 members. Our country, PF, UPND, and other political parties are voted for not by registered members, they are voted for by our people. They merely sympathize with either the leader or the political party at play. Most of our people remain with, they are not card-carrying members. You know. So uh John set one million target. We had this conversation. I said, UNIP, UNIP required to close bus stops and markets to persuade Zambians to be members. And, you know, in my understanding, the country or change or revolutionary change is usually done by a group of very small numbers. Then you sell your idea, not the other way around. But John said, no, no, no, for me it's about the people. The people should drive the change, the people should fund the change, the people should formulate their priorities, and that's what will constitute my manifesto. And the people who then, you know, uh make the changes. Well, ambitious, good model, but clearly from my perspective, that model was bound to fail for various reasons. Um, but like we all do, when a friend makes a decision, your duty is to support them. Do not sabotage it. Do not if if in your criticism or advice of counsel, it has not, your counsel has not been taken, do not be negative. Your role is to support. It's like any relationship. You know, if uh if uh I want to do something and my wife doesn't support it, and I still go ahead, she quickly has to turn. And support me, even if she didn't support the idea. What could be the other principle? Collective agreement. You are in cabinet, you make a very bad law, which everyone is against. But when it is passed, when it has passed, maybe it has thinly passed by just maybe one person. The majority have won by one number. The people that vehemently opposed it, unfortunately, they have to stand in line and support the bill. Because it has been collective, collective agreement principle requires that you stand with it. And for me personally, I pushed on. John Sangwa spoke very favorably of him. But here we are, yesterday he made the shock announcement and it even shocked me. Number one, he says he's pulling out of the presidential race because registration has not been guaranteed. Okay? He went to court to the constitutional court. The constitutional court has said the registrar of societies must remove all barriers. This issue of fingerprints, NRRC, verification, and all these things that they set up must be removed. People have a right to form political parties. People uh what can I say? It is absurd when you present your NRRC and uh and the ritual societies decide to investigate your NRC. You know why it's folly? It means that that document is worthless until another person has an opinion on it. What we should do is to strengthen the civil process whose document should be respected. When I give you my ID, here in America, when I give you an ID, whether it's my driver's license, they will not question it, they will not call anyone. Why? Because the issuance of such a document is so foolproof that all verification should be done at that stage. This issue where we are subjecting everything to question, fingerprints. When I file in a document and I have said I have not committed any crime, I've never been to prison, I have not been jailed for six months, three years, or five years. When I tell you that you should believe me, if I have lied, there's a process in which I can be prosecuted for making false declarations on the documents. But no, it doesn't matter what you have sworn on evidence, the registrar of societies would want to do maybe a six months or six weeks search of courts to find out if you've never been imprisoned, if you've never been declared bankrupt. It is those issues, administrative orders, that are being used to deny political parties from registering as political parties. Literally taking away the civil and political right and freedoms that our people have to found a political party and participate in an election. You do not cure the weaknesses of other institutions by you conducting parallel investigations. I think that's where the folly of this process is. When I produce my passport, they will respect it that it's a Zambian passport and I'll be given access to any airport, to any plane across the world. You need to make those processes foolproof so that people like the Register of Societies do not abuse that process. Number two, John has stated that he had rolled out a program after, you know, on March 6th, when he announced to the country that he will now transition to a political party. He rolled out a program, what he called town hall meetings in every district, and was supposed to now mobilize the one million online registered voters now to bring them on board, on board them to fund the project and to go ahead with it. The police flatly denied. They said you are not registered as a political party, even as a movement. So they denied that permit. Sangwa is using that as a second reason why he's pulling out. The third one is that he has not raised funds for this project. And um the operations under this circumstances have literally come to a standstill. And remember, he had set himself a goal that he doesn't want undue capture from businessmen and major companies that put our presidents in pocket. You elect a president, he responds to another. You elect a president, he answers to other people. John Sangwa found this as a big flaw. And he says, I don't want to be a candidate of capture. The funds will be raised by Zambians, they will raise 100 quach up to 20,000 quach. He was so confident of this process that he even put a ceiling on it that I don't want you to pay beyond 20,000. We want very little. The issue was capture because you Zambians, we elect a Zambian president. We are proud to call him a president. But there are other people with more power than all of you collectively. They can just tell your president, Buana, we have just mined 57,000 metric tanteoum so to remove uh those export taxes. We have no money for that. Why? They are billionaires, they are making billions from Zambia. They live a lifestyle, they chase a sun. There's something I found here, I was shocked. Ukwendana na kokosuma. Kuno, kwa riba wantu, awaka no kuika la m winter. I've got many of my neighbors and their homes are vacant. They are only returning now that spring is upon us and we are transitioning from winter. Their homes became vacant. They went where the sun is. Can you imagine? Ukuriakasuwa, bad wombakali. It's not even a question of money. Badi wombakali. So nga kwisa winter, atukufuala makoti, shani, it's no, when are they just pack their bags, go to the airport, and go to wherever there is a sun. If it's in Arizona, if it's in the Bahamas, if it's in Africa. They come back three months later when the cold season. They don't want to be subjected to that. Some have uh homes on buses, and you know, they migrate wherever, whether it's Washington State or when it's cold, they come to warmer states during winter. So these are billionaires that make money from countries like ourselves. So here you elect a president, and uh a president answers to other people. They tell him what to do. John Sango had the valid point. Now, here is my take on his resignation. I find it extremely disappointing. John has demonstrated the fighting spirit for our country. He cannot be held back by the three reasons he's given. In my view, I can strongly state that the reasons are lame excuses, Mr. Sango. I have to speak to you very frankly. The reasons are lame. You are a fighter, you've been known as a warrior, you've overcome all sorts of hurdles to be where you are. These are not barriers that should make you withdraw. For me, you just needed an evaluation and a re-evaluation. Secondly, the tone of the letters, the tone of the letter is extremely bad because it opens, you've made a movement, you've made progress, you've netted one million voters, one million registered members, you folded it because you can't get registration, because you haven't raised funds, and because uh uh uh uh the police have prevented you from mobilizing. However, how did you raise a one million? Was the police involved? That's a huge number. How did you bring the one million people? Did you need police permit? You needn't hold any single meeting to net the one million. There is um a political party that uh, you know, in South Africa, Code Action South Africa, and I visited them. Uh I found a brilliant model that I thought, you know, personally I thought I could copy. They had no offices. They had no single office anywhere. And they had transitioned to mobilizing on social media. They recognized that social media alone was a powerful tool. And they won the mayoral district of Johannesbek based on that model. And they worked from home from their laptops. No, they would meet at cafes, but they caused change in Gauteng. It's something you can improve on. You can make it a hybrid by doing the traditional things you do and complementing it with what Action South Africa's model of elections was. You know. So John Sangwa raised the 1 million without holding any critical meeting, any mass rally or any mass voter turnout. So the excuse that because they've not allowed him to mobilize these people is for me is a lame excuse. The first one about the registrar of societies and their preconditions for police clearance, fingerprints, and NRRC clearance. For me, again, that's that's a non-issue. Um, that uh the movement failed to raise money. Oh, of course, of course. Zambians expect to receive money from politicians. They don't raise money. There is no there's no culture of giving in our country. Sometimes you have to get scammers for Zambians to release money. Only prophets, you know, the false prophets, can raise money from our country. Our people do not support public processes. Barack Obama, no money, was a young senator, no money. He was fighting a regimented establishment. He went to America and said, I just want a dollar from you if you support my idea. And the American funded him. He beat the funding that Hillary Clinton was getting from the billionaires who had all companies across the world who were multi-billionaires. Why? Because when they when the Americans identify with the cause, that's why you see them fly flags at their homes. They are very patriotic. And when they identify a national cause, they even fund it. We are yet to reach those levels. I don't see Zambian flags flying at any home in our country. In fact, I don't even know if that is legal. You have to be a school, an office to fly our flag. But here in America, every other neighbor is flying an American flag. They are so patriotic to the extent, like I gave the example of Barack Obama, that they could fund him to even outfund the billionaires. John Sang wanted to roll out that. But uh our people expect money gawafikatia mensch, ngawafikati transport. Our people think upside down it could be the poverty issue, but also maybe the people, we think we are scamming our people, but they're also scamming us. Because I know we come once in five years. Wadi Shiva, Badishiba, Tingamuayamulaluba. So our people have also refined this electoral process, which is just a scam. So you want to scam us for a vote, we also scam you. Give us money. Where is transport? Where is fuel? They just make it very expensive. And if you have no deep pockets, you quickly run out of steam. John Sangwa State Council, a patriot of our country, are urging to come back to the to the process. I saw a statement on their Facebook page that there is a founding chairperson who has urged that the movement will go ahead and will find another leader. Again, I'm troubled by that because the founding president and and and and John Tsangwa wrote an open and shut statement. I mobilize, I founded this, we have encountered challenges, we are closing it. By. And that's why I say that statement is extremely unfair to the members, to the people that sacrificed to raise 1 million. It's totally unfair to people like Dolika Banda that stood with you side by side. What are their feelings? The people you mobilize in the provinces, what are they doing? That statement, I think, was totally unfair. John says you will not trade the membership for any other. You will allow them to make a decision. No, you are a leader. You led them thus far. You put up a 10-point plan. You put up this, you issued various videos, you persuaded their hearts. You can't come and abandon them now that you allow them to make their own decision. Inapo Natalica. These are public affairs. You are dealing with lives of people. You come and explain what this is all about. It's never, it has never been about you. I don't think so. It has never been about you, it has always been about the people. And you can't abandon them midway, midstream because of the challenges. And if there is a withdrawal, you have to do it. It has to be strategic that the movement does not die. Your ideas and ideals live on. In fact, the success of any leader is when they produce a successor. Kaounda is a failure because he failed to produce a successor. He tried belatedly to produce Musokotwan, it was too late. You know, people like Enoch Cavindele gave him an opportunity and to provide a successor. He refused. He thought he was still on. The failure of any leader is a failure to produce a successor. John, you can't walk away from this movement without someone succeeding you in an effective manner. The tone of your letter is like an open and shut door. We've closed shop, Vanet. God bless you. Thank you. We tried, we are gone. Our way. You don't deal with national issues in that fashion. And uh I hope that my dear brother John will come back here and explain. ECZ is holding its meeting. Electoral process bill is terrible, terrible. It will take centralizing powers. That should be with courts of law. They are being taken to ECZ and to the registrar of societies. That's a danger. That removes from the carpet the opportunity for Zambia to hold democratic, credible, transparent, peaceful, free and fair elections. That electoral process bill is being taken to parliament just the way, as if they didn't even hear our concerns. And Mwangala Zalumis should be held to account. And I told you, don't underestimate that woman. She's very educated, she's a lawyer of many years. And in the electoral process, I don't find any other person who's as qualified as herself. So everything she's doing, she's abusing the knowledge and understanding she has about the process. She's a deployee of UPND to scuttle the opportunities for the opposition to win these elections, to weaken strong candidates, to exclude strong candidates, and also to remain on the ballot to ensure that they don't operate freely so that President Akainde Chilema can have a safe passage to his second term. That's a purpose Mwangala Zalomis is there. Do not be fooled by the appearance and naivety. She's well grounded and she's simply abusing her knowledge. The second issue that we are discussing is, of course, the issue of the Zambia police and their recruitment. President Akainde Chilema gave a weak response that is aware of the matter and that he'll come back to the nation about it. Of course, that's ridiculous. He is commander-in-chief of the armed and security forces. You cannot employ 4,000 people and the president is not aware. In fact, recent reports as at yesterday are even showing it's 7,000. The first phase was 4,000 and the other 3,000 are supposed to report in the next two weeks. 7,000 have been recruited in a secret process that that defiles the Constitution Employment Act, that defiles the Zambia Police Act and violates the phones are beginning to ring. You are allowed to phone, yes. The lines are open. You can discuss any of the issues. And unfortunately, I had to give my views about John Sangwand his decision of the letter. I reject the letter. It's selfish, it's written about himself. This was about the people all the time. And what about the colleagues that stood with you, Dolika Banda and the other teams that you had established? You can't write a letter in such a fashion like it was all about you. It's always been about our country and our people. And I'm inviting Mr. Sangwa to come to this forum and explain his decision and what it is that he has done. The lines are open. You can call us here from you. And uh so we are discussing those issues and join me in the debate. President Akainde Hilim has been elected as uh a presidential candidate for the UPND president and presidential candidate. Uh, we congratulate him, but we ask him to guarantee the holding of free and fair elections. I've got the first caller. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_16 1:02:47

Hello, uh, I want to remain anonymous.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:49

Anonymous, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_16 1:02:52

Yes, but I just want to speak about the share my view. I would like I I like that you are inviting me to I would like when he comes to comment.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:26

Thank you very much. The lines are open. Let's hear from you and um give your views about any of the things that we are discussing today. Yes, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:53

You can't even read the pin the means. It's not it's not what he's doing. I've seen him as an one of the letter that he wrote for for sure. It sounds so personal. He came to the Zambians to ask for registration of those one million view people at Joandy. Where has he taken? He has just abandoned those people and bumped them in the bus and he has left because he wanted to be with his wife and the children. You don't run a movement like that. I think I'm advising that he should be able to come to a platform. What is it that has led him to withdraw so suddenly? Otherwise, he would have just said, Okay, I'm not going to stand here, but I'll support these people, this candidate, or whatever. That one sounds much better. And just to push a rate on the social media and he says nothing. Oh, it's not nice. You don't take people for granted like that. I think those are just my few views that I wanted just to push in, Mamwamba. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:54

Thank you very much. Thank you. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and tell us your contribution.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:14

Yeah, thank you so much. Uh okay, I never learned very disappointed with um that letter, to be very honest. Because the uh what is what is like I will give an example to yourself. You are not in Zambia by choice. You are in Zambia because you've been fighting for the people. You are you are you are you are out of Zambia because you've been fighting for the people. You found yourself in the United States of America, but distance from Zambia has not barred you from contributing to your country. Look at how many things you've received. You are even incarcerated. But more than report, no one just can of family and you've continued even under difficult circumstances. So uh I don't think organized movement by finding yourself out of the country, you're not your own country where you have investments and families. So uh Johnson for those reasons I feel uh you must withdraw that later so that there's something better that you can do. But Johnson Watamarina movement are what normally other people do is that if you care for the people so much, you identify an established organization and make a make agreement. Why couldn't he invite other political players to to to to to to to to work alongside? Because this time around, we've got alliances. Why didn't he hand over that movement even to an alliance, even to a political party that is viable to form government according to uh the structure? So for me, what the uh John Sangwa has done, I I I don't want to condemn him because it's still us time to to to to withdraw that letter. So that uh meeting to a wino, we know, and then the the the the choosing the new leader of the movement, what is that so selfishly? Movement yeah, we would have exposed them to elections, so that we still please win win. So what he has done politically uh it's not correct, but anyway, he just came he just came into politics. We cannot condemn, we can't condemn him so much, but we can advise him that it's not too late. He can send that decision so that he makes the a proper decision for the movement, and then the other thing about recruitment, yam police officers. I think the message the secretary now message what is sending up is very clear, it's all about the uh uh president winning. Now it's on it's not only the recruitment police. Even recruitment of healthy uh health professionals like I didn't win no avanto having to uh the basic job. They are all that some of them didn't even uh qualify to get jobs, but anyway, very sender. A lot of volunteers have been left out, have been left behind without being picked. So if you think about they are behaving as if the migration yeah, I thought thank you very much.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:22

Alo colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_15 1:11:28

Good evening.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:30

Good evening.

SPEAKER_15 1:11:38

Um I know I I I'm not a master of program on this program, but I feel that uh the issue of recruitment you could have given given a week. People to exhaust what they have. This is a very, very serious issue. I know all the issues that you are raising, they to do with uh electrocoals and whatever, uh they are quite sensitive, but this issue where a government is building its own empire in already existing government, creating a a Malaysia, uh Malaysia, those are labor groups. There are numbers that are coming from Z DNS to speak about ZNS. Z the commandant and everybody, we know that there have been cards for UPND running into 2021. There were the people who are working along with those people who are doing their their PVT PvT. And they were kind of protecting some barreled uh barreled boxes. Such things, I mean, we know this man was in Livingstone even saying, Look, I aligned myself with the current government, um, that's where I am. Are you telling me that for a uniform of personnel to be promoted now, he should be aligned himself to a political party? The answer is no. So we can tell that there has been a lot of things happening, and now just to speak about the 3000, it is one of those things, but we have seen them from the health uh employees who are those things people seeing as the the the the the the choreas and all the centers they'll pick and they will be picking they'll be picking from UPND pockets. Go back and do the audit, you'll find that the people who have been employed differently from the paper and they will go to uh PSMD are different names. That's why he has actually appointed his brother to get PSMD, center of uh uh uh employment. So, sir, the issue that is going on right now that even Jack Mungu is saying, I don't know what is happening here in the bush. You can tell that they have taken this Zambians for a ride, and enough is enough. If it means it, let it be. People people died, people were encased, like the uh previous caller who said for uh for example, giving John Swanga, even him. I feel like he's just mocking, was mocking the the the Zambian because this is a guy who was at one time speaking so heavily, so strongly in line with the the EPNG at one time in 2021. And at the moment he came out, he was received by the German public, they were coming, and off the way you you you you abandoned them. What kind of I don't know really. He has to understand that these battles, there are other sufferings, there are other things that come along. So for him to abandon, in my opinion, I begin to think uh maybe now shita. He was once drinking and whining with these people before, speaking on their behalf, and today he has backed up when he was supposed to say, okay, I'm bringing up all these issues, these concerns the police have not uh come to me, they have not allowed me to do a B C D resources. I've not done all ABCD, but I'm here to offer support to my colleagues and who are ABCD. But you say you have taken out, then I'll me I'll say it's a sellout. No another way, but it's a sellout. You have been playing with the emotions of the citizen by the end of the day. Thank you.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:23

Thank you, Alex. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:36

Anonymous landenipo, you have to move.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:29

My brother from Chingola, the line keeps on cutting. Maybe he has to call again. He's a regular caller from Chingola. Please call back. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_14 1:16:55

Thank you very much. Um, my my take especially I want to comment on uh ECZ. Um, I think uh we've uh spoken on this platform for some time now that an election is not uh won on the day of voting. I think ECZ have not been uh fair, they have not been transparent, they've not done, you know, the tradition that we know of ECZ over the years. What has come now is totally new, and I believe it is catching everyone by surprise to say can such a thing happen. Now, uh, in a situation like this, what are these politicians supposed to do? I think our situation, the politicians that we have, the political parties I mean, that we have, the leaders that we have in opposition, I think we want to see some kind of muscle that confronts the challenges that they are facing. Because uh given uh VCC to continue behaving the way they are behaving, they've not met anyone seriously to confront them and tell them this is nonsense, will not allow it, and will not be part of the process that is flawed. The moment the opposition agree to attending these meetings and doing things like that, they actually legitimize what ECZ is doing. Why? Because they know of the opposition know very well that ECZ is being run by others. Three individuals that have been appointed to run ECZ. Everything, the data is there on social media, these are aligned with UPNG. So if such a officer in an election, the best thing to do is you need the need of the opposition to put their foot down. Yes, we we are willing to engage you, but will not engage this. They should put terms of reference. Otherwise, this election would be nothing but just some kind of uh a fulfilling thing for Haka Indechan. So for me, that is what I think about it. Is it coming to Rajon Sangwa? I think Rajon Sangwa is a voice that we cannot afford not to have in the opposition as things stand. John Sangwa is one man with a very good reputation. He has a huge influence and following. And for him to betray people like this, it answers and responds to a quick one where I would say maybe was he really prepared? Did he count the cost to step into this? Because it is so unfair for people that had vested a lot of hope in him just to walk to walk out like that. Um I'm actually calling the council to come back uh, you know, and and really clarify these issues. For me, this is not a time to back out, to back out. And this is what UPND loves. UPND wants to frustrate you. UPND wants you to give up, UPND wants you to give to give in. That is what they want. But we should not give them this liberty. Let's not give them this opportunity. But Johnny Samwa, we are calling upon you. You are a voice that has always spoken on constitutional matters. You cannot afford, you can't just betray us at this hour. We need all the serious voices on the platform politically. I thank you, Ambassador Mwamba.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:55

Thank you very much.

unknown 1:20:56

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:57

Uh caller from um, I think Chingola is back. Cola, please make your contributions.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:30

So it's better of a politician won't so we are jammatic with ya. Agenda you nge points, you know. Because the agenda, you don't know wino to revolutionep. Please try by all means which are sideama interest here. Demi evenfu se mona e tika chitika. King at Sango. But it two ways, you to allow the Pamula in a land up. It's not an easy. That's why Chiawama Mwamba, Waisaevati Mulinoku wachako hosti, pantumusa wajisafinamu, by shref ma kwati, by some kulandre chalo. Elo again watchisav, makwati by shreve kwatini pezzono. Have inevitaben Kulandawa Landatinaf Mamu, inete Tinkum Kanye Pundefuga Mkusungava, Bluanashan. Tomatusha Viltika Pivashwa. Useri in a kuri ka chicemoniava fumamu na chili shad.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:38

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:40

Pan on paranava mummy. Okay, sir on your land a party with you if you left wire. Then last year president. There's only the chief commander. Chief in commander. Engestala recruitment took a police official. If you are president, you lay lambda with you.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:18

That line is quite bad. There's a cora who's been waiting for some time. Yes, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions. Anonymous make your contributions.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:46

Thank you. Ah, mashua mwyama machinalanda pa ba ICZ ukuwa kuri ba ba opposition. Tomorrow is a day, yamini kufunika kuindo kamvenera ma yufunde. Ya ba ba ICZ dia bazadeta yama la mu la mne baza de tainangu yamesi adibuino, kufunika kuyaka, na kumamukonke malamula minezo semesa kumbuyo uku niamini ya dibuino. So mon se mwa poti n party, wwauza uti, kufunka kuye nda mayu kui size tikwangala meeting. Musa nya de kine na yomalamu. Fu na kapakapita yo malamolo. Ya zakale wu takuti kankade na fuli and feya eleke. Mwakamba buino maningi kuwawza wosa wpochin mwa munu muzambia. Uma problemi nawona ine. Yakmenona ui mwemonsa mene mulu ku kumiku wa kunja uko aminum na to kamo mzambia kuko probleme. Yamene kuli maniru, kuula ngwama ya minema chasa poti hadikanawa, bamene wenzukamba pankanya kuli jeje banda. Bamene in namawona mayro wuna dipa social media, banani kukamba jeje banda, kukamba kuti, ba ngani zamina jeje banda, zilibe zili be umboni, jeje banda inambini manik kwamini kujometa wambim maniki bati zide umboni, nganiza jeje banda. So manje nene lo ba president wagamba kuti, ngani zamine zina chitika ku polisu kumia mnotha wea minini befor tika bomvenakuba presidi, befortabina kuikos kamina kani kuje kuti, koson de nabuja pwina wakuja, ba jaki mwimbu akababa ba upu ba matrini, so iwa jackie mwimbu, uleki vam minu befor kakipana kuzaka nagati leka vam minuchi tewa jaki mwimbu. Tinamina kui jeje. Natu za pitiniza izavi nizavi ulu la kuti mantwasivazivi. Jack jeje napoda lelo wa presi bagamauti vini uivobati niamnota wea. So, manje yanganani nkani tinangina kui jeje, bativenango uku wanzan wa mene murina uko, bamenasa potach panchi nango, bakamba kin no, nifaboza wamenakamba jeje, which means confusion kuma opposion pati kuno, iri uko, kumaikwa kuni imwamene mukana kukumaikuwa kunja, so ni pepa kuri imwwamene mkana kumaikuwa kunja kuti, gurizana mukari mukalipa mozi, upangefundo emozu, yoti kan dizina ifikunu kuzambia, noti kuamba ku ku kuyam kuyambana e tekatekama opposu pati a kuma mkurizane upangefundo emoza kuti muzu manem mukambia kuti tomoro, and danku, isti zet mukambene malamuro ya buino, ichu nich to ja buinu, noti kuyambana tekateka kuambana tekateka i. So ni pampakwainu, wanse i mwameneku, mwikuma danafro kuku ma iguakunja m mu mu imwamamba mukapange platform, mwekame Unity Uko Mika Money Kataman Zimukmo the confusion Ilam Bila Uko Zambia Ilam Bina Uko afta Makamba Maiwa Jamakamba Maia Jamessa Potama Adi Calava andakamba Imwemonse Tentivote Adi Calava is the best manje baj. So the confusion ninja the confusion ninja is better money potato kabieni kumene kuja mose mutika mos kabieni muti uja uja uja oke adia se manja kamba ti uja inne uja bakanida kumu ku ma election kuja bakadimina di sri tikabata losa tizadivida tizali mamemu kunja kwa kunja minimuza bakuna opposion baduti tikuchailan kondo ulipula tikuchidan kondo popula, so tikando losa mwakando ka nida wo badifo ba time eleceni, tizakadina i mamemulukamesumapange mukulizano amenemunita mumita mita confusion munumzambia opposition munumzambia, so ni pempa ba mamba kuki, tikanizireni, bosewa wa azima in liriye nu kom tambo, na mzmayun babbazmaya wadwa tapen kamba po yo. Adiwa tap, diriye n mutambo, adinawaki aminajta support, ima mudinawana mutasapote. Now mzmay nawanu jajina wanama sa. So ni pempa kwane uti ikalani pamozi first ofo mupange unit uko. Mukapanga unitomange mutti pase ansakuno kuzambia our opposion parties was a vota yi. Bazakonka chamina mumuza kamba uko.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:39

So muziko botayamikina kwambi. Thank you very much. Your your idea is very good. We'll follow it up. Hello, Kora. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:54

I choose to remain unknown. Kuno kuzambia town in mas. Uh mwamba defok um uh in as much as we are asking uh my lovaka mkuchta table your uh bz m ku ku kunany ku niko eccz baidu. Ba opposition yabakaya mmukuchta table in a um b. Niba na opposition ish, because opposition tabali tabali tapari ba opposition abali wonsi. One thing that I know is that me, there will never be a day I'll sit down to even blame the opposition for this confusion that is there. Ba opposition tapa problem with your abapo. One opposition mzambia, yeah mbiren karina baisi otabarafu, nisha bantuwa ababa stes around wa isio bari abantuwa they were already in opposition. They were opposing him. And it's just a manifestation of what they were. There are a lot of people that benefited in the humility that this man had. Then no mba se okolata manifest to kuranga matru colours. Kamwalanda to opposition. New opposition ish. Then there is another voice that is saying Mamundubi nawa kwata pariu wafi. Tent conke makebizulu. Makebizulu bambi tabaremfu abala inamunduri na watabe na reasons. Too much English tatfua kumfubena zandi. Waikwata chilamuntu ku ku kwa ku chokebat tulandokovac we stand for one thing. Because when talk about the opposition, which opposition is going to go? Apart from Padinonsta, Mwaranda Twa Kalaba. But Timu Wakalababe nago, you hear one one day Kabu Muntuke Mokulanda Twakaba Kalabarabina Paduasia, here and be anababashta, nga Mwalanda toba kuriba munduvi wake mewaka ima Irokuja. Bamunduvire they say is UPND project. Makebi Zuru, Awantwawe Nabashemfua. And I know me to tell you the truth, I stand for Makebi because I think Natemafi Abantuwa fe morally upright. I think that's why I go for that man. But I'll tell you, no, mm Makebi Tabare mfuwa. Way UPND Tabare mfu and what they don't want is anyone to stand. I don't have a problem with Mamunduvi. But Awantuwa Amunduvi. Now we naku Wamunduvi, actually representing issue because the only nega china alliance. Tabai by UPND Tabare Fua, Tabarifuana. Not because they the opposition want to be united. They want to, but they are not allowed. Tabarewa pay la chance. So I wanted to complain the opposition is divided, is what? That's why Sangha. People with small hearts, they are failing to hold it. It's not that manuale. This man is a thorn in the flesh. So they I really don't even know who's going to represent the opposition tomorrow. Which voice is going to speak. Already we even know that he respects his outcome. Even now going there or the opposition going there tomorrow. It's just to go and just be dummies there. They'll just go to hear. Nothing. Tapa mnum Zambia, we are docile by nature. So that day we are waiting for. I don't think Zambia will ever be that ballot. They're talking of speaking through the ballot. It can't work under this man. I don't think it will ever work unless just God intervenes. Thank you.

SPEAKER_10 1:33:24

Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. We'll be taking the last calls. Let me take the last five calls and uh then we close the program. We're discussing the meeting that is due tomorrow with the Electoral Commission of Zambia. Uh the Commissioner the Commissioner Chairman said Model's alongside us called for a consultative meeting with the opposition output. That uh the electoral process bill of 16 before parliament for it is a matter of serious concern. There are other concerns on the electoral calendar, which is beginning before parliament is dissolved, the finding of nomination, which is on the same day with presidents on the 18th, and parliamentarians. There are many issues. So before you we close, and if you have a contribution to make, make the call now so that we can hear from you.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:47

Yes, my manu. Yeah, but uh let me pick on uh yeah, Wasangwa for now. I think Wasangwa should join Makebu and uh support the opposition unity, you know. Um so instead of him maybe throwing the tower the way he has done it, he has uh the followers that were following him. So the best is to bring those followers to the opposition. So that in this case I suggest to him that let him um sit down with Makebi Zulu and see how best they can um strengthen each other since you know um makebi has got those structures. Um yeah, so I think uh throwing the tower that left wire, we want him to contribute to the development of this country. Then secondly, um the meeting that has been called by the ECZ, I want to urge all the political parties to go to that meeting, like you said, and they should be able to contribute um to the discussion that they are going to have. And most importantly, they should be able to quiz, you know, the over those illegal, or should I call evil suggestions that they have come up with to change the electoral rules? I think that should not be allowed. So they should send a strong message uh to ECZ that the stakeholders are not for the idea of changing the electoral rules. So um again, I want to urge the opposition to continue fighting on. Yes, they are working under very, very difficult circumstances. I think that you have also congratulated Yawala Winine Belava Idea and opposed um for us as Zambians uh Imano Mamba, to tell you the truth, we are not happy with the conditions that we have been subjected to as Zambians, and therefore we are looking forward that uh God will make a way for the opposition to win. Whoever you know is going to be there, all of us should rally around that person, vote for that person so that we just remove this government out of power.

unknown 1:37:03

Thank you, Maimanoma.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:04

Thank you for being there. Thank you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_12 1:38:01

Mairo, te kuya mmuku mistelekcha, imokwia mkuba staleccha. No tu kwa mmukumfa kurivena. Mga mwa mfu mga mwa mwafe bambu kularo la kwa ti mbi. Balefuwa u kwa mbuku mistalecja. It's beta wonse mwa fumaku. Mwa ba shabeka bazarunas. Na mumona iba pereba kalabana nikaniakwebati. Kutiba state mostreti. Bakalava liria, mi in shila fi. Avena zambia wonze ktiba sa poni na mwompana e mwami pere in shtia. Ia kulanga because abena zambia pa. Obo mwwefokwi mininako. Na ba i pere sho kwebati na mwimu streeti. Tiba pita. Pamurandwa ili funde. Sof shion sefu kaya mkumkumieva. Ifia nyu saama mwaf putu shia painshra, no tmukarekwa pambo kumishta, reksa, na mwamona febbambo prenda. If fianyu expetha wonze mwa stapwe kote, mwa fumakota kwa woku chinjama fundea tournament. Tornament mwaripanga kari. Ama fundea valila pokanga tournament. Kubo mifia karain amafunde tubomfia dionse. Please no timukarekwa mista recia. Edu ambassad danaranda kupaliwa johnisangwa. Ba johisangwa ambassad wai shile pamwen mapa. Kenalibe pwishi. Ba ambassad sa sometimes if we want to trew akofia fair nafuebena Zambia. If you democracy wa atat under uh PF Democracy PF by U PNG government. Bayo na uroko yikata pa mukoshi. Na lilomberkuriwa ba sang wokewa t imwe, mwa alista ma petition, mwa alista ma eligibility, mwa alista shain, mwaliak makoti instanin chita. Ninshi, ket mwinggiri de must mwu PF, mwa wakakupatia ma riko, uhate zia reshipana wa pwa langa leadership, you mwa kwa tea ku shuru papuru wachamu kuwa. Mwa ingira mwasa ko posteva ndu le shani, fewabashu papamiaka yu se. Bali fili kwasuka ba sangu. Because bambasa tanga tuwa role shari mwali mo test to rewtukiro kwa mkure chintuicha nyu. Bono nichpali chintu each important. Bon setuali shwokova tiva mininokuisha PF Nabarusha bawisha PF structures, in shina democra uba naura. So kuban soba opposition parties ever known. Bali panga miste tokanaya ofa PF Muiva ingiramu. Because wa PF Baruisha beena Zambia. Naba you ken divadishukaba na PF structure nish wonseva womba. Umbefiar ngireba sanga ba ingire. Basa squeeze wamunafabenga wombe rapamo, namaroya zabaya minina kuba, ba PF oro then kuli munomzambia in day pusha mzambia. U share amaroya's wonseava sambira rozambia. Nishwonseva lingira machto kuteko takwa bama advocate. Wantohuteko, watu bama funde, numba wama loya zaba shapateng, to ababangama advocate. Waka studi rare advocate, pomura ndu paproa zambia, but sambirama royas aveni. Tubafuha sha, nyuquashtawama Simon, ba mu poti muleva mwbafira machiranda, bamwanga chakwach kateka to befunde, bamu tuara muchide chamirani, nishwenabaninch to in shvarule rama royas, nde tana kumaroyas, mweva sungama gown, umayanda, myrowacha mwashta simon faifunde, rupa pu varetto bamzambia. Mukabomba shiny gabamyona weera, rupa puri mumari sambira more mona president, boka reo na ramafu. Muri kus a mwoma royas, mwa shakwa tamach. Sten advocate. Mwantuba quare.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:12

Thank you, thank you, shimfion.

unknown 1:42:14

When I won fenya man or sam Pavenama political parties.

SPEAKER_12 1:42:19

Sometimes was tough advocate you have tender. But Pra Mona shook wasa. Shaba shant. What ping we don't want you for P and independent who If ye oh shin political party wabon funderi was some apali knows PF. The filibino as a concerned citizen. Whoa, we wanna Zamja Katu e the mutil Bamwam Bana.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:46

Thank you. Alo Kola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:53

Yeah, Mamba is a one of um from Livingstone. Uh the Kariashi in the Fokulan Karash Kamo uh to do with uh the behavior of um uh um Zambians uh nowadays. I don't know if it is uh spiritual or anything. Okay uh one thing that I wanted to talk about is that uh this is almost twenty-two hours, eh? Avant mena. But Nabatu mapadi mwe phone mwamba and WhatsApp, these calls are encrypted. Awantuna to what you cannot poke to poke anonymous. I don't know. I don't know if they are spiritual, never caging the fee. It's like we it's like people's spirits are under capture. Awan to a lendak, whatever they are. It's a chumpas to watch an each wamba. Remember for remember in 2021, Mr. Load up to 2021 general edictions. But Edgar Rungu wari wombele. Okay, the projects were so visible, but people were talking on the on top of their voices, shouting at Edgarungu. When you look at the the UPND record from 2021 up to now, it's a sh it's a sham. They haven't done anything. But I want to have scared to speak out. How do we get independence like this, Mamma?

SPEAKER_10 1:45:01

Thank you. That's a challenge to Zambians. They will answer themselves.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:18

That's why Mamba Kokara. I'm a business to come back to the manu. I'm a business. Think about those people who are closing their businesses. Are they doing it deliberate? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:02

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Uh I've got uh two people waiting. Let's see. Uh please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Nameless, uh, make your contributions quickly.

SPEAKER_17 1:46:22

Thank you so much, Bamwamba. Well, Bamwamba, yeah, there is a lot of frustration in our country. Yeah, I just want to start with the Basangwe. Let's not condemn him so much. We have to give him a chance to come and express himself. Yeah, just as you have mentioned that uh you would like him to come and feature on your platform. I think that is the best way. Yeah, he knows exactly the reason why he has actually pulled out. So let's not condemn him so much. Yeah. Then coming to uh the way things are, you know, Bamwamba, this situation has completely gone out of its way. And the subject has become so complicated to tackle, as it has brought about a lot of doubts on the outcome of the elections. But Mwamba, people are so scared, you just can't believe it. You know, every day I'm in touch with most of the people in Zambia, my relatives. I come from a very big family. Yeah, and you know what it is like in Africa. Bamwamba, no one knows what no one knows what are the implications. And you know, there is only one big fear that has drawn in people's minds, you know. I have heard from so many who are scared of even mingling around on the election day. You know, this really saddens me a lot, Mamuanda. You know, as people are getting narrower and narrower, you know, in their in their reasoning, the confusion has just wiped their thoughts. You know, what has contributed this is just the lack of, you know, sensitizing. You can't even sensitize people because time has gone. You know, Bamwamba, there are so many people who are remote, people who live in rural areas that they don't even know what has been happening. Because when we talk of a Zambian, we talk of a common Zambian. Now, are these common Zambians being reached, giving them the whole information of what's happening? You know, Mamwamba, we have been, you know, following up your program. But how many people could even speak English? I doubt it so much, Mamwamba. I doubt it so much. You know, time has been, you know, has been wasted so much, you know, just in the preoccupation, you know, of sorting out your differences to this day. It's so sad, Mamwamba. So sad. So at this point, Mamwamba, we don't know where we are heading to. This is all I can say. You know, and whatever you hear, it has already been planned. It will be just an announcement where they are going to say, no, you cannot object. And affect. And it will end up there. The issue is that the meeting that will be held tomorrow, the you know, the result will be it's because it has already been been looked at. So, you know, we are failing, and Zambians, you know, are just drawing back, Bamamba. Really, we just have to pray. This is what I can say. Thank you so much, Bamamba.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:58

Thank you very much. Hello, caller, please. You've been waiting for some time. Tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:07

Ambassador Mumbama woman. Yo, Yama Shineta Muchalo chest Tatulumbula.

SPEAKER_10 1:50:17

Kutika Gutanala. Umwakuli so never chambues from Kapukasha Nubuntua.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:24

Yo, umwenso, Tatwa Kwata. Tatwa wata umwenzo. That's why Namutwe 1991. Gata Amazambia Nwali facing in the super king. Bamwamba, if I take you back, kwalichi so konechi, so konechi so kone, kumuru. Panshi kaunda. Everywhere kaunda. Wakana. Kucuma. Ama zambia andwali mine. Wali ken pakavachi obuteko. Gobubuteko wuripu muteko in shumu. Utekowa fo yez. Ichiwa mwamba. Ama zambia and ifwe ne to a sara fioku wala chamwenso. Neach. We have chosen to trade with our wisdom and our birthright with small privilege. The wise, balaando kwebat money is not the leverage or is not the measurement of wisdom. Ama Zambian iba mwambatuwa sala foku womwen so. Ba yupien di tawaku etena maga kuchinfyama zambian. Ama zambian fetuachta decide fwe ni utuunggu sh tulefuya. Nke fetu wachtiremuna nkina intewan. Ba mwambata chali chakunaka. Awantu valenda, no inda lama, no ifivon semflaire oka. Ba emwemditawa kwe tendalama in that movement. But awantuvalikwe teziu because ba ishuwale fuya. Ino is talawa mwamba mzambia ma zambiani. Na tusaleko tu lefuya. Wanu, na tushha birthright. Uman woke mwenda lama. Mwen ywa mwamba, fwwa kure kopa belt, tatwa ishi womutundu, twa ishiwe fezambia. Ino instala tushowa twu chiteaf moku, uchitef mokunero twaale upana kopa belt, tawadiu kupana ba mutundu, kumanafia tineba wwandu, twaatema na twa upana. Ichi Ama Zambia ntuatemwwafie, no kubafi, uguishha best right. Now, ndefuku kuliwa electoral commission. Ba mwamba, if I take you back. Awaba mwangala Zaromis, i no kwali change of government in nineteen ninety one. Ngakwadi awa ntuaba sha me in a change. And she remain as member of the central committee in Unipa and presenting kawunda. Because nineteen ninety one tungulushi, wai le ku northern region. Ba mwangala zaromis has never supported the leadership comes from that side. Grimwachina da mangala zalomis warawa mwana tibakote naunaba kwata wisdom. Walawa mmayo ba lawali kwa trolum patila. Hello, HH Ali won sama politics ali swa twwa womu tuwa pata umutundu a so nyawe newa mayo, bapele w electoral commission. Mailo, kuriokuwalea amma opposition political party. The biggest disappointment tatwishiwe, ganawa kwa tawana agenda wakasta submit. Because all the process by must be supported by the law. Not kwatama political leaders. We saw muhabilung, well submit a document. Tatwishiive, ganawa vengay on sama proposal ECZ, and have come up with one reason. Problem to kwetewa politician tukwe te cannot sit and plan because it's it must plan. By today, gana tu is wokewati decision political parties need. Political parties, they are stakeholders. Stakeholders give you the election. You have to go and discuss negotiate. So, as stakeholders who are going to be part of this process of election in 2026, stakeholders who are Zambian, who are presenting Zambian, just as a UPND is representing Zambian, each and every leader who's going to be participating in tomorrow meeting is the stakeholders. But our manga la zolomi is afraid to impose a proposal because techalo chavo, techalo chava, echawa UPND, te chalo chava, PF, te chalo chava citizen commission, te chalo chava socialist party, every Zambian is a stakeholders. So the political parties who are going zang FM, they have to go with one voice. We know some of the political leaders are lawyers, some of them are so invest with knowledge. They know what takes to rig election. So, my former political leaders, we tuala wung, to focus to become the president. President Ti Agawafi ummo mle chingov take overweight. What Zambians are looking for, it's not about a leader. But if you give opportunity to every Zambian, it's not about everybody should be a president or whatever it is. There are a lot of opportunities in Zambians which everybody can participate. So tomorrow when they go and meet the ECZ, to ever come isaban to upoma in anondo, opposition, balayang at my student. Ma ilobafila mate boya tanning, the ku Tovefi Puna, waka Tovefi Puna, no kumwakwate chava chava, no kochino te chava wiso, ubaku position. If of my stakeholders, if it for nbi. If you are kwewati secret recruitment, Zambia, the highest learning institution like University of Zambia, everywhere touch beara, waiteshibe. No, University of Zambia. Baba niba tulimo, niba join Sodio Wadi, Baba Shila Mabama Fanta, Babashila Fitumbua, Fish, Tuala Sambilamo. So each a pali no shita, ba president. So ba mwamba. Aba na kufiola ma students, ama youth, awa neba flua panga decision for their future. Navala wata future wapenefitumbua. Nokula de sortiswa de sana. Kantuna sortinga ingi a mumunaniya fudisha, umanita urika, ulo naika. So bafu apanga future. For me, for the last the the last contribution, please. I want to bring my learned council, state council. In a church to comment, he has fought battles. Baamwamba, if you realize, if you remember, when Ichuba was being prosecuted, Robert Smeza and the Sangwa stood firm with the FTJ and Ichruba acquitted. For over almost eight years, Bansangwa cannot give up on if you thisangwa, Balenga lawina Zambia Tumuntu, Muntu Nguuntu Suma, Ulefu echauchesukua, kun tanchi. Bansangwa i cannot be frustrated by just this, wakau. Waletendi baan sangwa, besondo lole. Kamiri, baansangwa be kwate chifukushi. Bekwa de chifukushi, besvalondu Ravena Zambia. Even myself, I'm the follower, I'm the disciple of Johnny Sangwa, State Council. I thank you.

SPEAKER_10 1:58:48

Thank you very much. Aro colo, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_18 1:58:55

Uh, good evening, so this is Mama T.

SPEAKER_10 1:58:59

Mama T, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_18 1:59:03

Mkwai, I also want to add my voice. First and foremost, but if we stay introduced, if you took a vote in bimuri, you know we know. Ah, we follow any forever sharp water winobuino. If you're fear not, you know. Evanaba said this aromas. So I want my role shapama direction. Ama vote or to my vote, if we to have a demon says, Yara shopa. Tantum mingala to balete avaantu. Opposition pamusi. Pampani zero. Papamineta fika manje tana kamubaya sapinity could kinda five steps are heady, ten steps backwards. Definitely capamanji. Mao ya in the kuchitasani, culeta, wita appropriate mazi counterba pomaniom. It's a bytenary mana manarita yan zika win up wheel. Yeah, siakai card two or sify and up winnu. So you mala opposition. Batisome for na kurizana, mamadita's bat is some for na kutium guirizani, put it panic into chori and papa. Uh guest po yaka in the gone on paper, mana can be like previous colour. If it woke on paper, fresh in paper, I'm not example. President, one should show Mizambia. Peter or Male. I'm surprised that four thousand people were recruited secretly. The president himself said it. I don't know. I'm following it up. Are you sure? As if he's mocking us. I am a recruitment. Recruitment kutipany. Uh a process. Utiba president was a zive from the vestigao. Utiwa kambakuti in a surprise. He's not surprised. He's just mocking us. Zambians. So in a manja, I'm surprised I'll play this. I'm surprised when he knows very well what is happening. And then Kalinkuriva Sangua. Because you know this Akainde can frustrate people. He knows how to frustrate people. But the only way they'll give usangwa. Don't be frustrated, my brother. Forge your head. No one will survive. Five years. He will arrest everyone. Everyone will be arrested. There will be no peace here in Zambia. He has already shown us what kind of a person he is. He has a tapene test. Can you imagine what will come in the next five years? So we design it to most choose. Ten it to co seulene keziko and Iimba. Ten tiri m ben set it tengeziko kuya kaim de Amenati Vutisa. Zuko Mama.

SPEAKER_10 2:04:52

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. And uh you may need to take the last two calls. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_19 2:05:09

Yeah, this is precious in Livingstone.

SPEAKER_10 2:05:12

Yes, precious.

SPEAKER_19 2:05:15

Yes, um, I just want to contribute on what happened there at convention where uh present waka indechema went. You know, it's a very disappointment to see that uh present waka indechema, he wants now to take law in his hands. You know, it's not right what he's doing because he used to condemn Valungu that Walungu he never worked, but now we have seen he went on the same uh the what the same building that Walungu is the one who who built that uh that building where they went. Then from there, I'm very much concerned with this recruitment because uh we don't know if those officers they want to recruit are the same officers who are going to destroy the people of Zambia. Because now we are living in a very, very dangerous country. Our Zambia now is no longer a Christian nation, but a dangerous country because there are so many criminality which is happening. So the people of Zambia, if we are not careful, if we are not, if we are not going to work together and make sure that Waka Indechama is out of power, I'm telling you the truth. We are going to witness a lot of things. And this thing, it will not only affect the politicians, but even those who are not in politics, even them, they are going to be affected. And that's the truth. And when we talk, some of the people they think like, maybe we hate them. We don't hate them. We hate what is happening in their government. So please let us all be united and work together. And if it's possible, please, I still appeal even today. And Baka Ndechelema is one of the leaders who is taking advantage of us, people of Zambia. So, International Criminal Court of Law, please, they should not keep quiet on this. They should serve the people of Zambia because we are going to witness a lot of things that will happen. As long as you are going to allow Baka Ndechilema to be given a second term, mark my weight, you are going to witness a lot of criminality. Thank you very much. That is what I wanted to contribute.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:38

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Is there any lucky caller who will be the last caller before we close? We want to hear from you. We want your view. And before we close. Okay. Thank you very much for joining us today. We're discussing the proposed meeting by ECZ. It's going to hold a consultative meeting. Um, Honorable Um Mangala Zalomis, the board chairperson, who meet political parties tomorrow to discuss the electoral calendar, the electoral process, and the preparations. I think there'll be a briefing about the preparations we have made towards Zambia holding its elections in August 2026. We've always stated that the elections is not what you do on 13th August. Elections is a process. So we'll be watching this tomorrow. Um there should have been an announcement today of the new political uh the new seats, the 70 seats. We hope that to be distributed equitably by population, by provinces, by district. That will be it will be done in an equitable number. When they when there's that announcement on the uh on the 76th, we will come and discuss it as a special topic. Um I can see there is my the colour.

SPEAKER_11 2:09:22

Hello, good evening.

SPEAKER_17 2:09:24

Is the MP still live?

SPEAKER_10 2:09:25

M Kwai, we are still live, but you are very like I'm just about to close.

SPEAKER_17 2:09:34

Oh, some plant. And that me. And that God do what he hears us say. Um Parliament Taila isarikwa. Te ifafinem kwai. Numba parliament taila isarikwa. Josefumle crossing floors, empi wa kuyup, orwa independent, na ngilakale kuyupndi. Uwa mu piefu, na nglakale kuyu pndi. Weantze file langisha. If you ba kainde, ba sha chindi kefunde a chal. Constitution yosemlanda u wush kunakasuba, konsoko mulandila, o mubengila, mafundeachalo chazambi. Wishwa wa kainde valkwa tapone funde bachindik. Gabadu kwa tapuefunde bachendik. Chinch dionse kule boktila, kuhaiko tumulandu wawa opposition ngawayako, tawa bala uputuka, bautanta di shafie, ebalanda ichi, bailubatila adjand to ede. De kudia t yu jajji eseko, atio nawam tuma kun se ya chano. Tabachi indi kefunde dia chano, echo no kui mina pobenaba emina po nifo fini ko nawlefi pani. Iduba ba lide poko nau lech pancha piefu. Bozba opposition abanon uba no no, ba lesekapief. Taba ishi woke ba tu yumuntu abalire poktingga na wishen sofu, uto niye leloton soto turi umu, ta chwa kanga fi. And this is uh putufiken numba. Nomba, kwalbalesa wama kayonse. Kabiri kwalbanok shipikok bait napalast minute lesa. Alafwa. Kuriba mwaba Chilalanda, Bafia Kulando, ifia Chalochavi Pisha, if it twaikalatezambia twayshbe mutent. Ide Valelandati, ba president Bati le Tabeshi wa if you kuri, ukusana kwa ka pokola, ukingisha ku kukan finisanakumbiko. Waantuma kwales. Adi the commander in chief of the army ababa kateka, eva commander in chief wwa wangondo waba shitika wang kondo shabaka pokola baze denis, ba presonsi, bashitika bamuela naba pame shinga kwa lkwa takova air force, kunoko, kuko chirubi islandi, bon sevalia, wwa pe samba, nanguba mulupi, wwa president. Whoever is a president per time in Zambia, ewemutungushi, nangu, eka ngarila, waiaba bantu. U numbalanda saniba the whole president. Wena church in a landa ba mabakireshokulanda not by precious. Uanda male to tunfiya balka turi turuvifwe. Remember mwbena Zambia, ino kwali godi, ndekai lea parking apa presidential pavilion ku airport. Balapa parking afendeke waka te ka chapua. Epa il parking a ideende keasangruena godi wachinja tionisuba ba chinja, mori eleven million dollars wa chinja morifin swishi, tatuashwana echinka charipu. Batiwa i kete poka lume kalume, chibembandelanda, kasanda, ewa shina lika wabena fialwa ba di na ide kena china chuma, twa ishwoko baya, ne lashia pupua diarik dalala. Ba commander in chief wa ba shi dika, niba kateka, wa karant kateka niba kand. Ni shba kanga nokile pakinga iden tekepali. Fionseba benabatubak yamafunde pabu lamba. We wantwa kwale sangefba yelandette ma luba opposition mkam kukuba kwisiz eduko efio kutantika if firokuba. We hopta wa katantikefia munda sha uchibandelanda, ve katantikefia munda shawule. Ifia le mbakale mlupa plo liamle andapulionse, gata chakavefio, ba opposition muture ni papa, dataswene chungglo, ala i chefienko wishanye nimitima. Ba mumulefio kutalwe nmutile tentu votero. M twenty eleven, duna tambire, um one of the MMD members or uh leaders, um na na mbangele loku kwain nawala vishina baliba millionaire musta shakwakaunda, bakavindele, yemkwai, baliba mcsi wakwakaunda. And he was a uh a millionaire. Nakawundali ba addressive of fini, the young millionaire, Kavindele. Mwebantu, Bali, inubalita mage, PF, I mean M Md Kul Yunipoli PFU. Bafminafia pa water. But parliament ya chili na yikatana. Tainaba the yea yeah nichina yba dissolved kale. Nakwati kafwa inama sitsapia or mlexta continue pala pene efuchari if you. No belo na chat numba parliament a posting by baven kato MP Bakchiengi. Ba ba timone m the parliamentoram pantu ba UPN D na ba yoko no konoko. Ha veli kwi, kwa chi la chuwachaba pifuchaba u pnd. Mamanba walisa. Alo kutomululama fundeni belayava UPN D andaba bainde. A pope na mwila ki bachita kwichi lungeme. Ebupen palifu kuku manaka pi uku manaka pi no ku isha ichichiintu. Tifatu le pitiam kuebati. Ngapita, chika tube lefi, teti. Ta kapite in Jesus name canchin numba dwarfu. Da kapite mu la tila, nela tu chitrefita, ngapita tuka sanswa, uh, we likta pronoun sukusanswa, we likta declare uk sansua. Ute tule woman wana diga ta wenengere ukesa pona. Uh uh, mlemat wemana kabengo kabase. Wemana kaberengo kabi page in twichalo ndukam channel. No that if a tuleenga ukafej, ukala fetchoso. Nishimule mlem koselisam lem bangage soso. Ama sho yam kanaken yale ku longa nokubichoso. Uh uh, the two mana we swali bit soso. Uh uh, kawombe shukasanbira, ne wokaba judge mushta show, ne woke ba doctor, you wokaba accountant yuko. Ah uh, no wokabom in our business. Ukulanda go if you sum if you are par with your sanguruka. Eh am quiet.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:24

Thank you very much for Caputa. Thank you very much. I was concluding, but Caputa is a special case. She usually has been calling from the first day we began broadcast on EMV, so she has special access. We thank her for her contribution and for our valuable views. Uh, tomorrow, I mean on Friday, we may discuss the happenings here. I've just alerted you that as matters develop, we may be holding special broadcasts. We are going towards elections, and you need to be informed of all the development. I pledge that I reach out to uh uh Honorable John Fango, and I hope that I can bring in here the major announcement he made requires he carried all of us along and can't abandon the people mainstream in the waves of storms. So I think he needs to come to the forum for you and and I God bless you. Uh uh we will see you and thank you for the program today.