THE ELECTORAL PROCESS BILL, THREAT TO FREE & FAIR ELECTIONS

WE DISCUSS THE ELECTORAL PROCESS BILL AND ITS IMPACT ON FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS

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SPEAKER_01 0:48

We want change, we want change, we want change, we want change, yes, we want the change all upon it, we have to put it in the middle of the day.

SPEAKER_37 4:46

But some people have given up. Now, if someone from Southern Province can give up, are you telling me that someone from Mosa can go against it? When you yourself before this other province is nothing, you've given up other people. I'm not sure. Now what about the way that Madame Madam? No, no. What we talk about. I've got the back or that. No, I think that's what we have now. I think that was not increasing money. But go and find out how many times you will be surprised that yet the figures have been increased, and people have been something happening down like today. But there is nothing that is coming out. So those are the things that we are talking about. Let us not be over excited like a toddler that has been overfit with mute. No, let us sit down and analyze these things.

SPEAKER_04 8:39

We don't just have to do Zambia, yes, was in a dead distressed uh position uh some uh four years ago. Um this is when the new uh government came into place in 2021. Uh a difficult situation in terms of the debt position was uh inherited. And so we put in place a restructuring program um which required us under the G20 common framework to address the debt situation. Uh, and so there have not been any defaults since that program was put in place. And I'm happy to say that we are amongst uh the first countries, if not the first, to have treatment under the G20 um uh program and complete it in accordance with our agreement with the IMF. So we do not owe the IMF as that now we're getting concessional finance actually from the IMF and the uh World Bank as a consequence of this uh successful uh debt restructuring program that we uh undertook. Uh in terms of the effects of uh the um current uh uh crisis in the Middle East, the conflict in the Middle East, uh the challenge that that brings, of course, is that it has uh knock-on effects in terms of uh uh increased cost of uh uh essential commodities, uh uh fertilizer and more importantly, petroleum products that we must import since we don't produce them as ourselves. And this has the potential to uh uh sort of reverse some of the gains that we made all these times uh towards reducing inflation, and that's part of the uh success of our program. From uh double figure inflation that we inherited, we're now at a single figure. Um, from uh negative 2.8% GDP growth that we inherited, we're now growing at 6% now. Uh we were hoping that this would increase in the coming um uh period, but now we expect that there will be a bit of a slowdown because of the crisis that is in the Middle East.

SPEAKER_35 10:30

What is the take on the need for debt restructuring by the British and roads and I remember? Yes. How should it be done?

SPEAKER_04 10:36

Um I I think the conversations now are very, very clear that uh Africa is entitled to uh a more fair global financial architecture. These are conversations that we have had at the AU and even at the UN level through the financing for development platform. Uh and it's the consensus that we have now that we must look at Africa to uh having our own uh indigenous homegrown financial solutions, uh including uh the more significant role played by our uh development banks in uh capital uh uh inflows into the continent for the much-needed infrastructure development. So we should look at this debt being uh completely uh addressed. Um there's some arguments that there must be debt forgiveness uh entirely from the West so that we can stand on two feet again as Africa. But uh I strongly believe that the solution is in our homegrown efforts, including uh the creation of institutions such as the African uh rating, our own rating uh institute, so that we can speak to how capital flows into this continent, into our continent in a fair manner.

SPEAKER_34 11:46

I had to zumpy and rejected uh the US uh uh fund package.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

Um no, no, no. We are still in in uh discussion. We are still talking uh with our friends, our partners, the US. Uh uh, there's several matters which, of course, need to be uh attended to, need to be thought through very effectively. I'm aware some of the countries on the continent, for example, have uh spoken about uh the data requirements that go with with some of these uh uh proposals uh in the whole package. Uh these are conversations that we have bilaterally, and I'm sure will be resolved in a mutually uh uh acceptable way in due course.

SPEAKER_17 13:30

Tuesday, uh twenty-first April 2026. Uh, today we are discussing the electoral process, it's going to be a dominant discussion uh every day. Share the broadcast. Is the volume okay? If the volume is okay, the visuals are okay, we can proceed. So share in the comment and share with your friends to demonstrate that we are live and to share with them these important updates we'll be taking. I really broadcast on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and let's say something important that has come up. What has come up today is that tomorrow we have um PF Famosi Alliance President Makebizulu. He had his inaugural meeting yesterday, he had his central committee meeting, he had a management committee, and later he had a central committee getting a foothold of uh the Patriotic Front since he was elected. Uh the Patriotic Front has an alliance called Pamosi Alliance. Remember the issue of Thomasi Alliance and the breakup? The uh Honorable Grimm Lumina at the time named a Pamosi Alliance to dissociate from the other alliance. So uh newly elected president of the PF and the Alliance Pamosi uh Makebizulu held his inaugural meeting yesterday, Central Committee meeting. Uh, and tomorrow I'm not going to preempt it comes on the forum here at 20 hours. Don't miss the program. Let him tell us what is happening with the Patriotic Front since he took over what are his plans? Will the party participate in the elections in 2026? How is he going around the illegalities, the legal crisis that the party had since 2023? And how is he maneuvering with promoting unity within the party and then you know uh reaching out to uh to friends and colleagues in the opposition, such as Citizen Face President, Harikara, Socialist Party President, uh Dr. Fred Membe, you know, Kelvin Fuwewariya, KBF, Zamia must prosper, and others. So Akebi Zul will be here tomorrow. It is a reason we are broadcasting today so that we can have we can discuss other issues today. Because tomorrow it will be his show, his vision, and what the Patriotic Front is doing in its current legal status and his prospects for the 2026 elections. I've played two key videos there. One is Mulambo Haybe, the Minister of Foreign Affairs. He was quoted by international media saying Zambia has cleared all its debts with the International Monetary Fund. Of course, that's not true. The only two countries that uh in Africa that have made um such headlines, and someone was trying to mimic the same, I think. Um uh Mozambique has cleared its entire$750 million debt that it has with the IMF. No debt, no arrears, no nothing. Uh Namibia had a Eurobond debt, and it has also done it in one bullet. There was an opportunity for Namibia to restructure its debt, push the payment plan to like Zambia, maybe 2032, 2048, like Zambia has done. They said that would be very expensive because the annual fees, the annual debt service fees are extremely high. So before you even dismantle the principal amount, for every year you'll be paying these huge debt service obligations. So Namibia chose to do a one bullet appointment and they cleared the debt. So there was excitement by international media with what Moulam Bohaimbe said. Of course, it's not true. Zambia just obtained a loan of$1.7 billion from the last tranche was the other month for the displacement of the$1.7 billion bailout. So to state that Zambia's clear district was total misunderstanding and total misinformation. We expected an outright apology in light of the video evidence. I was surprised that the UPND were mocking me when I broke the news. They said, Emmanuel, that news, you have manufactured it, you have put it on a page, you've manufactured the page, it's calling itself Africa. It's not an African page, you are lying until we produce evidence and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs were forced to issue what I claimed a clarification. Short of an apology to state, to clarify what I meant. Zambia still owes$1.750 billion. They are looking for another IMF bailout, which IMF refused last month. They said, no, your excessive expenditure is not going to social sector or public spending, it's going to consumption. It's election related. They don't want their money committed to such reckless expenditure. So they've said we can only discuss with Zambia after the elections of 2026. So IMF has gone home. They will not discuss a new loan that Monsokotuane is looking for. They are saying we are only coming back after the election. So the misinformation by Muamboimba was highly regrettable. And instead of issuing an outright apology, they've issued another set of explanations. Just say, say we owe$1.7 billion to the IMF. Say you owe, is it$900 billion with World Bank? Say the numbers are very clear, numbers don't lie. So Oliver, uh, one of the M23 who likes to mock me on social media, went to town how I was telling lies. And he went extremely quiet when the evidence emerged that their minister had misinformed the world. We are used. When they lie, they keep quiet. Today we are discussing the electoral process. And when I come back after this short break, we go. Is Zambia capable of holding with all these threats of holding democratic, credible, transparent, free and fair elections? Is it possible with all these threats? What happens to independent candidates? What happens to uh the candidates that will stand under political parties? What about candidates who may not be standing right with uh register of societies? What will happen? All those issues we are discussing. And what about the EPA? It has become known as the EPA, Electro Process Act, but it's not an act yet. But many people are calling it EPA. Electoral process bill. It's supposed to be APB because it's still at a bill stage. It's no longer, it's not an act. So we'll be discussing the details on why stakeholders, why you know concessional lawyers like Jonas Zimba have raised an alarm to all stakeholders that this law is bad for a country. And why the state and government is rummaging through it, parliament. And you know how wicked that parliament is. It's nothing to trust. That parliament is one of the worst parliaments we've ever seen. It can be trusted, it can be relied upon. We saw the unanimously passed Bill Seven, a terrible overall, changed the entire system of our electoral system in one whip. And that parliament was regrettably a you know a co-conspirator because of Indalama to that crisis. So uh let me take a one minute break, and when I come back, we delve into those issues. They I played the video of the jet, the presidential jet, the Gulfstream G650. You know, that Gulf streamer is even fitted with anti missile. And anti, there's an L-bit system, you know they call it something. I I'll remember the word, you know, when you speak to the generals from ZAF. It's one of the most advanced systems, I think, um, uh, that protects the jet if it's flying through threatened places and the jet can defend itself. That presidential jet, the Gulf Trim G650, Ichilema said I'll not jump on it. So you have a very expensive, very modern, ultra modern jet to replace a 50-year old presidential challenger, Idambamuna, which is in the colors of um uh the 9J, in the colors of uh uh copper. That that plane is 50 years old. And Chiluwa tried to change it, Manawasa tried to change it, every president has tried to change it. Now it's even far older. Those days it was 30 years old, it's now 50 years old. Um many people feared that it should be relegated maybe to other duties or sold. It is a reason that in 2019, when government got a loan of 400 million dollars to do Maina Soko, do military upgrades, they included the presidential plan. That plan came from a package of 400 million dollars from a loan from Israel. And that's what built Medical Center, Maina Soko, the military upgrades that were done on that plane. And Ichilema said the process was corrupt, even pledged that he would sell that plane. Yesterday, lo and behold, to the spotters and watchers, they saw the jet yesterday, wherever it went. Some people have been speculating that it privately goes into Dubai. One time I remember exposing the details flight radar that showed that the plane was packed in Dubai. Zaf were forced to say that uh the plane had gone for service, but it's something they had hidden. But you know, with current current technology which documents documents all details, including presidential uh plane, even when you log them in as private or confidential, they still appear on radars. Why? Because you have to make declarations to many air spaces. If you're going to Dubai, you might have to declare to if you're flying over Rwanda or over Tanzania, Kenya, Ethiopia, then you know, before you reach UAE, you have to make all these disclosures to these countries for permission for airspace. So flight rudders, which are internet trackers of planes, would quickly note, oh, this particular plane, whether it's logged in privately, confidentially, it will flag it off that is headed this and when it packs, it packs. So I remember when I published that they threatened hell on me. When the information is publicly listed, you know, the so-called uh uh information that is confidential, even sometimes shocks me. For example, in Zambia, you can go to jail up to 25 years, minimum 15 years, if you publish what they call critical information. If I were to publish the full army standing uh army and ZAF and ZNS of Zambia, that would be critical information, and I can be sent to 25 years in jail. But when you Google, everything is listed. So you wonder how these laws have never updated themselves, how the state worries about things that are openly available, even a nine-year-old can be, you know, can be can be can find the information. I remember, and this is many years ago, 20 years ago, when we had uh an issue with Angola, and Angola, dosantos, was literally at the verge, uh at war with Zambia. They were trying to destroy Savimbi. Savimbi would enclave into Zambia, he would run to Zambia. And remember, um somehow by marriage, Savimbi was related to Enoch Cavindele, and there were allegations that Zambia was participating in taking food for UNITA, you know, and that there were various businessmen that were benefiting from that, getting a carpenta from Mumpulungu and shipping it into Angola or Calavo or Skongo or, you know, a northwestern province and trafficking it across. So Angola complained to the UN, and the UN did an investigation, and the UN found that yes, Zambia was landing suspicious planes on Zambezi Airstrip in Zambezi district, and they said likely Zambia was participating in this process. There was somehow some illegal trade of diamonds, food parcels, and even arms being exchanged. So there was a lot of anger from Angola. Angola said we'll not just attack UNITA forces, we'll go to the front line and to its backers, meaning that they'll bring war to Zambia. And uh the post were following that heated exchange, they published the UN report that indicted Zambia, that Zambia could have been enabling the trade, illegal trade between UNITA, the rebels, and you know, and and some Zambian businessmen. And uh so the the tensions were so high. At the height of the tension, the post published the might between Angola and Zambia. And they looked at the number of mix jets that Angola had, number of meag jets that Zambia had, number of tankers that Zambia had, so they did the comparison. Oh, weren't we beaten four, five or six to one? And it was a huge security story. People like Dixon Jelly, Jerry Fred Membe, and others can tell that story were at the post. But the defense by Fred Member was that the information was openly available on the internet. What Zambia uh was guarding as secrets, even deploying, you know, huge security uh police uh uh cordons at these security installations was openly available on the internet. So sometimes the laws do not are so behind, even our mindset is so behind. Because why? Uh remember when we had the Gabon disaster, the information began to come from Canada, the the people that had built the buffalo plane while Zambia was guarding the information. And then you can't control information that has happened in international space where you know we were trying to get hold of the information when there was so much information available outside government's control. So with the rise of internet, rise of open spaces, open information, open technologies, it becomes extremely difficult to classify what you may classify as critical information because it's usually openly available. Okay, so we are discussing the electoral process. Every time something comes up in my mind, I like to discuss history and use the opportunity to educate one another. If you remember something, you can put it in the comments. So uh uh let's take a small break and then I come back. We discuss the electoral process and it's it's is it's uh the threats against it, and then you call to participate. So the Gulf Stream was seen. Um the Gulf Stream was seen at uh the airport yesterday. We don't know where it went, but uh it it it it it was seen and um it took a lot of interest to supporters who saw it. Where did it go? Why did it go where it went? Was it just doing a test run? Remember, President Akainde H Lem has pledged that he was going to sell the Gulf Stream. It's a national asset, it's a critical national asset. It requires uh parliamentary approval. Article 210, sub article two is very clear on how you sell national assets, you require two-thirds majority. We know in the past, on the sale of uh shares by ZCCMIH for to Kansanchi, copper, and gold mine, that Zambia did not bother to even go to parliament. They just sold and convented, converted those shares without recourse to parliament. We saw in the sale of Mopani, you know, 51% shares sold to foreigners. And again, government gave an excuse, including the attorney general who wrote an opinion on why they didn't need to go to parliament. But those are national assets and the constitution. And our people and framers of the constitution, remembering how Zambia lost up to 225 state-owned enterprises in one policy called privatization, guarded against future assets that they should never be sold without the consent of the people. Short of a referendum, they've said two-thirds majority from parliament. President Hakainde HLM has been circumventing that issue. We may not be surprised if he sold the jet under similar circumstances, like he has done to Kansanchi, Copper and Gold shares, under uh where they were sold to they were converted to a 3% annual, you know, some annual fee that they pay, some 3% that they pay, and where we saw the shares of Mopani also sold under similar circumstances. Let's go to the electoral process. I think that stakeholders need to pay attention. It looks like the electoral process is locked to allow ECZ to manipulate. I'm using these words very carefully but very strongly, to manipulate the process. And until you pay attention, you will just find that you've been knocked out. Presidential candidates, especially in the opposition and your managers, you need to study this. Get dedicated officers to look at all this, including lawyers. There are a lot of pitfalls just in the next 30 days that have been laid. You might walk into one trap and fail to come out of it, and you lie disenfranchised. Please pay attention to what ECZ is doing. The current status is that uh the seats have been increased by 116. So parliament will rise from 165 seats, and remember 165 arises from 156 constituency-based elections, eight nominated and three presidium of speakers. So they constitute, it's a 165 member seat parliament at the moment. It's going to be, they've added 116 more seats. This is uh, remember the 40 seats that will come from proportional representation to cut off women, youths, and persons with disability, and the 70 seats that have been added through delimitation. And also remember the 11 seats that are coming as a result of nomination by the president. It's rising, the number is rising from currently eight. The president will now nominate nine. So total 116 new seats are coming on board plus 165. It gives you 281 seats. That parliament is already squeezed and full at 165. I don't know where the other 116 will come from. We saw some leaked conversations, leaked proposals from cabinet office where they were looking at setting up a new parliament in Choma or Livingstone. There are those proposals where a new parliament might be built in Choma or Livingstone, and we saw that leakage. Because the current parliament, even at 165, it looks extremely crowded. Imagine her adding 116 new MPs in the next uh uh 90 days. We don't know where they will get the space from. I don't know what you think. Where do you think the new MPs will sit? Give me your views in the comments. Because Parliament is being increased from 165 MPs to 281. 40 that are rising from proportional representation, women, youths, and persons with disability. 11 nominated by the president, and a new 70 seats that have been added, 281 in total. What are your thoughts? Or they will sit in committee rooms. I'm actively thinking, because building a new parliament is minimum from a year to three years to six years, depending on how fast they design and plans. And will they do an extension at the current parliamentary grounds? Because there's enough space there. Or these leaked proposals we had from Cabinet Office, where they were trying to take a new parliament to Choma or Livingstone. We will see. And this is a purpose why government must disclose all these details. And for the parliament, just some brief background. We have one of the longest parliaments in Africa. You know, our parliament started sitting in 1924. Okay, not 1964, 1924. We are over 100 years old. But as at 1964, we had 75 seats. 1964 at independence, that parliament used to sit 75 seats. Um in 1968, the number rose to 105, 30 new seats were added from 75 to 105. When we went multi-party, when we went uh one party state in 1973, the number rose from 105 to 20 more seats, a number of 20 more seats were added, and we remain, we we it came to 125 seats. So parliament for the next 17 years was 125 seats. In 1991, we're going to multi-party elections, we did new changes, another 25 seats were added, so it became a 150-seat parliament. For the next 26 years until 2016, we were again just 150. But because of the new districts that were created, where in cases where the districts emerged, also emerged in new constituencies. Remember, our our constituencies are tied to a district. So when new districts emerged, it's mandatory that you create a constituency. So six constituencies emerged from that issues of brand new districts. And that's why we've had 156 MPs, and remember I told you the eight that are nominated by the president and the presidium of speakers, the three of them, they form 165. Now, with the changes that President Akainde H. Lem has brought in Bill 7, and that's why we said Bill 7 required proper consultation because the ramifications are huge. First, you have to look for a land cruiser for the net for these 116 new MPs besides your already 165, and one land cruiser is not cheap. They range from$120,000 to$200,000. So you have to look for these brand new land cruisers that each MP gets. The allowances, sitting allowances, travel allowances, you know, constituency allowances, all these, then you have to expand CDF by again to 281 constituencies, um staff that have to be employed. The financial implication, including the proposed building of a new parliament, becomes extremely profound. The costs are escalated, and we had hoped that in the current situation where government is stranded with resources that they should have paid particular attention. The ECZ held that famous famous consultative forum that degenerated to comical and theatrical uh utterances. It was uh amusing to the country to watch, but it painted a picture that the opposition were not serious. And you know, those serious discussions, whether by Harikalawa, by Sean Tembo, and by uh uh Jackson Silave were never broadcast. But what we saw, especially on introduction, it's like Is it had planned this, and we have information that some of those that participated and introduced themselves do not even have a political party. And then we had the crisis, of course, out of legal issues, and I wouldn't want to blame ICZ for this particular one. The NDCs were two factions, the PF were two factions, um New Congress Party were two factions. I didn't see the other faction, but UNIP were two factions. These are the result of the legal wrangling and mostly sponsored by the state. We saw that particular confusion, but of amusement were these comedians and people that just cheapened the entire debate. But key things were announced. Number one, that electoral process has effectively started. There was an issue of a nomination fee that the nomination fee for the president will rise from 95,000 quacha to 100,000 quacha. And it appears that ECZ wants you to pay, wants presidential candidates to pay, when they are introducing the 1,000 that are required to be introduced to ECZ, 1,000 voters, 100 per province. Some of these parameters are defined in the Republican Constitution. Some are not. Hence the Electoral Process Act of 2016. To provide for regulations of how an election should run. Now there is a proposal arising from Bill 7, which is now Article 13 of 2025, that there should be these amendments, Electoral Process Bill, that is sitting in parliament. There are serious concerns here. But before I get there, is that they want you to pay nominations fees now, before you introduce a 1,000. That is not what is provided for in the constitution. In fact, the constitution provides that you can pay then and now. You can pay at nomination on nomination day, you can pay. But this is at a staged process. It's like it wants to smoke out the president. That who are you? Who are you standing on? And what are your credentials? So at uh bringing of uh candidates which will be earlier than nomination process, they want you to bring the 1,000, they want you to pay nomination fees. I think they want to scan the radar. Who are you? Who are you standing on? What party is is sponsoring you or is with you? Are you standing as an independent? And remember, we've raised the whole issue around independence. Uh, the threats that we learned that government uh ECZ may not allow uh uh the independence, they will accept their forms and they might use administrative hurdles to stop them. And we've highlighted this in our previous discussion, but I'll speak to that just briefly. Two uh when you go to pay nomination fees, of course, and you know you go with your running mate, it's at that stage that you disclose who your running mate. But it's like easy that wants to know in advance who you are and you've staged the process. You bring your 1000, pay your nomination fees, and then come on nomination day, come and file. Um in the event that you didn't participate in this process and you want to bring the 1000 on that day. Well, unless you have resources on the actual nomination day, it's possible that you can bring the 1000 across the provinces on the day of nomination and make disclosures there. Of course, a crisis and chaos will be where will you bring the 1000, sit them, accommodate them, and you have to you have to guard them that they are not in any way uh disturbed. This is at once a smooth, they are they are saying they want a smoother process. That's why they are doing this in advance. But you can turn up on nomination day with a thousand supporters if they are representative from the you know from polling stations across the country as defined 100 per province is possible, you can do that. But all these appear to be traps. Then the amended laws, first bill 7, which has become Article 13 of 2025, a treacherous law, as we've stated. Um, and then it is a basis for which the electoral process bill, EPA, is being enacted. You remember the process act, the electoral process act is a set of regulations on how to run elections. That's a whole purpose because the constitution and the electoral act prescribe broad principles, but the specifics, how votes are counted, how ballots are kept, what type of ballots are they, how secure are they, that is done through the process act, the electoral process act. They are like a set of regulations. This is where we are saying most of the provisions in the current 2026 electoral process bill, seeking to amend the Electoral Process Act of 2020-2016. They are doing things that are flagrant to the constitution that are flagrant to the electoral act. We think that some of the provisions are not democratic, don't advance a free and fair elections. Um what are the concerns? First, government started with cyber crimes and cybersecurity laws that has shut down debate in our country. It has pushed debate to circles, to uh whispers. It has pushed it into dark corners, quiet meetings. Our people are afraid to write or speak openly. The right to express yourself has been taken away by these laws. Imagine a law that can accuse you that you've released critical information. And what is critical information where you can go in for 15 years? What is? So, for example, maybe if I were to publish a list of I'm personally alarmed that we are going to elections with government owing our people 12 billion dollars. There's been so much hula baloo about foreign debt. They've restructured it, they've been paying from day one, but the local debt,$12 billion of it, has not been paid. So you're going to an election where there's no money in the economy. Andakainde probably knows that, and that's why he's not paying that debt. But it's unfair to the businessmen. They worked for that money, they have certificates, they supplied goods and services, and you can't wait for five years, you have not paid them. The businessmen are the lifeblood of any country. They should be paid. You are owing them up to$12 billion. Look at your local debt, it's$252 billion quacha. How much is$252 billion quacha? What's the exchange rate? 18. Divide for me and tell me in the comment. How much is that in dollars? That's how much we owe our own people. And uh uh this has threatened and collapsed literally the economy because imagine so much domestic debt,$12 billion owing your own people. You know, no multiplier effects, contracts and sites are closed, people can supply, people have been evicted, are owing banks, entrepreneurs have died, are dying, you know, because of this huge debt. So imagine if I produce that list. Government can accuse me that I've produced critical information and I can go to jail for 15 years. So the cyber laws have brought this uncertain silence in the nation. Even in an election year, our people are muted. But they like they are watching who's who's who is looking at me, even if they are writing on Facebook. Sometimes I see people post comments and quickly delete. Why? They are afraid of ramifications. And when they call, they say they are calling us anonymous. Why they have to protect themselves. The cyber crimes and cybersecurity acts have brought silence. Bill 7 and EPA have just added to that environment that is taking away our rights. What are the concerns under the EPA concerns? You should I'll encourage you to go to Jonas Zimba's write-up is everywhere. Newspapers have quoted it. The Must Daily Nation, it has been on my page and other pages. Look for that write-up. It has catalogued the threats that this bill brings, literally against the constitution. It's it's not a good bill. But we don't know if our MPs will throw it out. Are you confident our MPs will throw this bill out? That parliament? Do you hope that that parliament will make changes? Um there are things like nominations should be subscribed. What do they mean? Nomination paper should be signed. What do you mean should be subscribed? What does that mean? You know, and independents appear excluded. And if an independent president wins, he appears excluded from proportional representation. And there are certain days that have been provided for in the in that bill, like five days for ECZ, which is not even supported by by law. In fact, the law required that when you file, the the electoral officer would tell you whether you've qualified or not, just there and then. But now they are seeking that they go retreat five days. We don't know who they'll be consulting, then they come and tell you whether you've qualified as a candidate or not. And there's another matter for us. I've been involved in uh a PVT, you know, the parallel vote of tabulation is critical to transparent elections. Very, very critical. And this is usually done by people that will be at the election center. That when the results are being announced, you can send someone with a phone and they will hear results at a polling station because it's always been open to the public. But now they are making it an exclusive process of people that will be in the polling station. They are even providing for that as soon as you vote, leave the station. I remember in 2011, Mr. Sata told his supporters, come with your pen, don't trust ECZ and stay.

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Sata was very resolved. To take government, there are certain things you need to do. You just can't retreat and say you trust institutions such as this is it. That we have demonstrated is not independent. The commission is not independent. The managers, the management is not independent. These are UPND personalities. Can you trust them to run an election and you go home at your CZ they are credible, they are an institution, therefore they will tell us a result. Are you sure you can do that? Are you sure? For the opposition to win an election is just beyond rhetoric and uh campaigns. You have to put in these systems. How many polling stations do we have? 12,200. How many words do we have? 1875, 1875. How many total extensions do we have? Do you have persons at every stage that can broadcast to your center your results? Elections is a process. Election is just not a one-day event. Elections have started already. What is happening today impacts what will happen on that day. And there's even a post-electoral process. Because after you vote, what happens to your vote? Every stage is threatened. And sometimes we don't see that in the planning by our uh our opposition. And that is why this particular clause in the electoral process bill is dangerous, which is saying as soon as you vote, leave the station. If this passes, all of you will be chased. And remember, we've had problems with polling agents. Mwatumawa polling agent, UPND by Sawasa Walopola, Baba Tanfia, Namuletawa Gozar, and other they just removed them. Bashar fever ECZ Naba UPND. We saw that in Kawamba by-election. We saw that in Pambashe. We saw that in Mwense. We saw that in Lumeze. We saw that in Infouwe. Can you trust ECZ? Why are they pushing a clause like this that's taking away the transparency? Whoa, we killed zero phone. For you to monitor elections. Our people are very respectful. They vote and they stay away. By Kalakumba, Dilia Tinawazi, when you open the ballots, they begin to check and participate. That's how it has been since 1964. But ECZ says you are not allowed to be at the polling station. When you vote, you leave immediately. And they will ensure that the police are there to enforce that particular part. Because they will say your political party or your agents will be in the polling stations. But again, this is a process where they disenfranchise. This is a process which we know is highly undermined. Only the people are capable of protecting their own vote. Only the people, they are the first buffer and primary defense the opposition has, the people. Your members can be chased by the UPND. They can just accuse them of anything. We saw in the death of uh Jackson Kongo. Ale Tefia Kuriana Mensch, Babilachileta must ballot, we saw party agents beaten severely in southern, western, northwestern province because they just the UPND just ran a negative campaign at they are carrying marked ballots and a frenzy was raised across the country. If you strayed anywhere, they could have killed you. Remember, it's like if you are the land that you ramete, the mob will just rise and beat you up. So polling agents can be accused of carrying ballot, um, stuffed ballot or pre-marked ballot papers, and then they are in trouble. They can be flushed out. The only defense is the people. The people who wake up at 0-3, who stand in the queue in the sun, in the cold, in the rain, and vote, they're the only ones that can protect the voter opposition. The last one of concern is this decision by ECZ that they want to remove the watermark, the stamp, and security features that are on the ballot paper. They want that removed. Why would you want to remove the features on a ballot paper? Something is happening. An election is a process. An election is not an event that will occur on 13th August. An election is a process beginning now. Let's hear from you. The lines are open. I was stating that um uh I I held the discussion today because tomorrow we have uh PF Pamosi Alliance President Makebizulu is coming at 20 hours to explain what they are doing in their alliance. Uh, he's just taken over the party, he held his inaugural uh uh central committee meeting. What are his plans? What are they preparing in light of the legal uh crisis that they are surrounded with? So that's why we're having this broadcast to discuss these other key matters. So, what are your views? Today we are discussing the electoral process. Is Zambia capable of holding democratic, credible, transparent, free and fair elections as provided for by SADIC, African Union, EU, and the UN protocols? With all these threats that have highlighted, is it possible for the country to hold free and fair elections? And what can we do now? Are we just going to go blindly into this election? Even if there are concerns around Mwangala Zalomis and McDonald Penzi, and now uh Zevyanji Sinkala, who they are bringing, who are total party cards, the issue of Brown Cassaro, uh, you know, who was found in 2016 trying to manipulate results for the UPND, now he's in charge. And you have Dr. Kachaka. Similar allegations, both at UNSA and ECZ. They are now the ones that are in charge of the IT sections and the running of those elections. Are you blind to all these threats? You hope that these will be good men who will be loyal to the constitution even when we have exposed their loyalties and how they've been placed there as deployees to make President Dakainde Echlema win the 2026 elections. Why are you blind? Why are you comfortable? But you are quick to go into that election, and you are not raising a storm around the issues. Are you sure Mungala Zaloomis can run a free and fair elections? And by the way, remember what I said last week? She's highly qualified. She could be a 79-year-old woman, but she's highly qualified. She was a unique member of the Central Committee, she was a unique lawyer, she was Dr. Kaunda's lawyer. The current laws you are seeing were crafted by her under the electoral technical uh uh committee, reform technical committee that she headed, appointed by President Levi Mwanawasa. And she created the foundation which caused the amendments to the Electoral Act of 2016 and the Electoral Process Act of 2016. She did that work. You cannot, you cannot ignore her. So, but why is she doing all these things she's doing? Because she has knowledge of the electoral process, she's abusing the knowledge to advantage her party. And what are you doing about it?

SPEAKER_15 1:00:28

Political process. In the Western province, I'm talking about in the Western province because that is where my mind is.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:18

I have come with um Secretary General Vincent Chinto, Deputy Secretary General Kasai Supporta, Elections Chairperson Um Martin Kalowa, and campaign manager Stanley Mohango. But just a quick one. Next time that we should keep time, ECZ. If we say it's nine hours, let's keep nine hours. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_17 1:04:41

ECZ and ZMBC didn't show the serious um conversations by serious people like Harry Calawa. They entertain the country with um the clowns we saw. The lines are open. Um I've discussed various issues, but essentially our anchor today is free and fair elections. Is it possible with all these threats that we are seeing? One in the amendment of the laws, starting with Bill 7, which amended the constitution and became article 13 of 2025. We've seen the confusion already where they don't seem to have done a good job. You saw something went viral today where they are saying uh uh on on uh first past the post. Zambia already has a 50 plus one, and then you have proportional representation. There's only one section, the constituence-based um uh uh uh seats where you win by first past the post. You have a mixed member proportion now, some by proportional representation, others by first past the post, and the other one, the majoritarian rule of 50 plus one for the president. But you've seen the wedding in the electoral process, B1 is extremely confused. Confusing and people have taken have taken advantage of that and they are mocking the attorney general and the the line is open this year from you. What are your views? So we've discussed the electoral process bill and the threats against uh uh free and fair elections, and I've also discussed the electoral calendar where you're supposed to bring pen nomination fee and bring the 1000. I also discussed the issue of the Gulf Stream. You are aware that it's been packed for the last five years. President will not use a very expensive piece of a chapter or use a 15-year-old plane. We saw it. Leave Gulf yesterday and come back. And uh, what are the issues? Then um the other things I think we discuss. I think those are the two major, three major issues around nominations, the amended laws, and the golf team. If you have anything to say, I think I already have a first caller. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

I'm calling from East London, um, Caroline.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:12

Caroline, my dear sister, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

Yes, uh, mwin palume. I know, that's why I call.

SPEAKER_28 1:07:28

Uh, you know, uh to remove danger, bam, but danger went to me and cause uh wine kisses, it was a secus. It wasn't like something serious. But it on a phone in a chakwebati. If we want to never monach, set up. If you're not your night, if you have inos take a look at Yambuka. So it was that you want secret, you know, a secret. If you have to say if you feel dangerous, danger to give more. If we took a fumeko at if not in some, voter, not quatern sambuya tulunde, and tungabafumapu, namanam bya kuebati, opo bashalanyapa, if we to ata capta, if you want the foculada kumena zambia.

SPEAKER_17 1:09:14

Thank you, my dear sister. You are right. The Zambians, the voters themselves have to protect the vote itself. Wa vota nuobukire zero four, waiva chao wakutamfia putyobala penana mutauriko. Can you trust that process?

SPEAKER_28 1:09:38

Because it's in Galatonga tua leka tie in a finger to a lika mwambawizu. We are gone. Because it's a bad seventy sign. Why did they keep her so long? She is old. She was supposed to stop when she was sixty-five. Now she's over seventy.

SPEAKER_17 1:10:18

Thank you very much, my sister. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_29 1:10:28

Hello, good evening, Ambassador Mwamba. Out with Nande Kofe, na kuli you PND member on se uli kwane miyaka, ukofama party wa mayube neva mtai na lumango, amayuba salomis, na wonsefe VJ mwanga ba parties aye pitakali. Aba di muyupnd, neba sap ababa nava di ni other politico abadi myupndi especially. Sishi nava kana baba ninga lumbula pwabari kumu yu nipi, baba kwa na mu MMD na mu Pf lo sinta panotafikere. Bayu PND. Mwya bantu bakwari sa maeba mtari na lumango. Maeba mwangala zalunis. Ukufma pani baka wunda, ngakwa waku vota, tatwinu kapapoling station npakaba penda. Nga, ama voto zelef makwa shangu, yelef makwiki lengi, yelef makwana mutukusha, yelef maku kwakaputa, awena kapaputa, tatusele pumpakaba penda masenda. If anishina twishbachu wesu awina, uina alusa. Mw se mw yunipi mwalekanganaba yunipekabek. Ichula na chilusa. Pantuliya if it wasungiwe. Nibaka wunda to resala, balelwa ne chula. Kajwa lesa fibaka wunda, echwa si alip. Numba, ia luma mayumba zalumis mwangala na lomba fimena zanda mosamusakuktila penikuba myumba zalo mis mwangala mese nba myomba mta lumangu neba venu mwanga. Twinkebi shapu bakalamboktila. Ala presidenta inde, utichin tuba lachita. Chi lugo elo chiluo, mwinguan shiku, chikabalula pamtu wabo. Uku to kanya febba voltez ukupembele o kupenu tuntu febene to sadire, or to send letu kalo kumulati awina tumuku tumubenkula. Nga yangula tusubemiya kanemia katwala suba shani, ino shtemsuba pao de lungunga watute, alanim pemba tuwa le subakaleno chalife zanda twafma muriamwisa. Kah shile no chava sha lukaba tatuwa chite chila chila, io swawina. Awe, inena salap naisha pamantuba tatuaba, mayba zalumis mwangala, kuki na mikui se zedi. Naba brauni kasalo bene, naba chinchila, bali vota kumri kaunda, na muri chibuba, napura ponse, nba myuba zalumis mwangala, myuba mtena lumango bra ni move neba kasaro naba mveno mwangga. Mwem twe shaku nabambiama kula kumka ni kwe ymbila mti, emila kayu so tukatu pin belaba penda. Inde leno chinchi cha is a femuyu p nd mueka. Elo yu sheni ni munamu emuyo pndi, mule lenga kuma hai koti milandu irevelu kila fioru badumu. Nimunamu inemuyo pd, mule lang uku ma jinang fana wishin niksha minister wenu narufianya, tapadi chire muikata. Ifile ikata file kataba mu position. Tesazanga yavis. Nimunamu nemuyo pni di twa mono teko wwantanshi. Uku ingiishaba kapapokola, ba home affairs minister ba mwembu, ba letino kuti, yo we have to m chinje fintu. Uku chinjefintu illegally. Awa shidika wa ukubalemba mum sangwa administration ya tsungu. Shaf makulok inekuba sungu mwaikawa mwambaku Amerika na kuyuke. Ngabale ngisha abasu abashidika, kuma Canada, Australia, kwisoko, baxta publish ba man newspapersiago, baxta publish bama tv yago, nangumuba mobale ndaman to pama tvama wuma figima wif ma shobu fingifindi chile langa atide shani, her majesty's army is employing. So, if her majesty's army is employing balancita publish, what's wrong that the Zambia army should uh employ and hide? Why should the Zambia police employ and hide? The Zambia police employ and hide. Finished with security, yeah kila mmukilo kukumiku basu. Babe perifiafi. A mobengi share let it from time of voting. Awobe ne ever kala pasana bandishamaperi a my elections yapendwe. Zambia yangalanda tia rikwanda, or tapari development zambia ngalangati na equa kasana so no ba maba advanced security, paku in kichabakapokola, kuti nkama, me nkama shipantumali taba shikikabakwa meriko, mwafisati, mwika chichi vecho ba lita zam uh the USA bey on the grounds of Zandia Sandic region Tabamitemwa. Over that. You have made a threat mu environment. Bunanganwa sa ba Ilaya na kuwe baba rushati, Zambia na Ire tama Amerika na meni mininako. Can you imagine? Me security shwabata popachalopantuba dishwana bedrooms yen won say waleta ma America Pamish Pamiye. Bajish in a femuli mwa memory lumba. Nga chat in a femulum memory lumba. Mulingakuma elections number found I see the flaika. Bamma salumiswangala nmba black kangarilo kuchiven bandila anda mwangala dishina kangarila uyoma bain charge uko. Mwali fish ma fian saf. So ifia kuatan fiakwa and to my elections look asia gazinfia full kuba keban tubaka fengifma fullu tanzania, tu akanda pachamu chanzambia mundi. Tatoka ma zambia bidina. Twofe zambia yingga imu one zambia di two ebbe de karika wunder, one zambitapu. So tatrefu echimfunganya chwena kwaten kufiamano. Ifany k new an individual a support of you p nd. For twenty years that ba UPND Malewi show teka. Takwa balina kuwa president untuma kayinke balu shenye nankwe uwa kenye amma volta zupembelea. Nganimu twenty sixteen, bamayuma mutai na lumango ba leba kala pansepa yabaki. Meta kwa win mle mono no mulopa. That dividu I wish it can be retract. Mwa say interest back mwa tamba. Uko balei kaka pa polling station bammayuma mutaina lumango. Uti mwemonomlopapano na mayo, ifutu moniomlopa, fwemekala chano, nawen wenam, naifutuba na maya banana nabe sh kubi so why was she doing that? Ichabali insambi akoti na kupenbriba pende ama votes. E messba pibuke. Ah, myo sue wenima presidentaka your excellency, irifondi na babu submu. Because ba is zedia umit ala mumbuakurien kokti na kuli kwashi tile. Ba wangaru twa shibukasyati yo tuakanyga tamake se kokuno to kamifumiha konga wa vota kuyafi. Kwa tiny ku man that was it washiko muntu laya.

SPEAKER_17 1:17:35

No, not what I've thank you, my dear sister from uh caputa woman of wisdom. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_22 1:17:54

Okay, uh, good evening. My name is T Mateiro.

SPEAKER_17 1:17:58

Yes, my brother, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_22 1:18:01

Okay, okay. My contribution is just simple, Mr. Muhammad. Our observation currently is based on unity. We just want unity from this current opposition we have in this country. Imagine if Mr. Harikalawa can wish to learn for himself, thinking that he's going to win, is just wasting his time. Thinking of uh uh Honor Bumizur, if he thinks he can uh go for himself and win this, he can't. Same applies to Blanimunduhi. The Socialist Party, Fred and all the opposition current leaders we have. This is just a simple call to that we have with the citizens. We are voters. Last time uh Ivy's complaint to say it's just wasting time if these people they will just go for themselves on that voting day, if they think they win, they are just wasting their time. What we want with the voters is to see these uh current leaders, opposition to unite because uh HH is not going to give them chance. If HH carries the day, this come August, they team, maximum, all those ones like Abena Harikala who are not touched this time around, they will it will be waste to them. Nothing that they will they will be doing, those guys. Uh this time around, we are we are all witnessing ECZ. It's like ECZ is an institution which is above our uh current constitution of this country, Zambia. Because ECZ, they are they are they are at liberty to make laws. Uh they are forgetting that uh there's what we call the Republican constitution. This constitution that we are having uh is the one which is guiding each and everyone, each and every institution, each and every uh organization in this country. And then there is what we call three arms of our government. There's judiciary, there's executive, there's uh this one, this uh this one.

SPEAKER_17 1:20:05

Legislature and executive I don't know the word I can use.

SPEAKER_22 1:20:10

So we have legislature government. It simply means each each arm of the government is checking each other. So now we are with this executive arm or it's like they are above our constitution, uh our public constitution, which is supposed to thank you, my brother.

SPEAKER_17 1:20:30

Your line is now cutting, but uh you can go back. But I think we got your gist. Um, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:41

Good evening, your excellency.

SPEAKER_17 1:20:43

Good evening.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:45

My name is Hendrix, but I'm calling from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_17 1:20:48

Let me just add volume. Yes, my brother Hendrix, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:53

Thank you, Excellency. I think your excellency, it's very important um that uh ECZ should know that um the qualification of every presidential candidate, uh, any member of parliament candidates, MPs, counselors, and so on and so forth are enshrined in our constitution. I think our constitution is a supreme law that will guide and guide us on how best a candidate must qualify to be a presidential an MP or a counselor. I think what the ECZ are trying to do, your excellency, or the proposal that the ECZ are uh bringing up are not welcome because ECZ is supposed to be Erifari. This is our election as political parties and the people of Zambia, and they are just there as Erifari, just like it is in football. You have Manchester, you have the other team, they are playing. Erifari will not come and say, No, this team must be like this, this team must be like no no. That's not the way it's supposed to be. I think our message is that uh let's follow what the constitution says. The constitution says about presidential candidates, about the MPs, about counselors. That's what we need to follow. The engagement of stakeholders by ECZ is most welcome, and that must continue. And it's not just the meeting where our the stakeholders are are talking, and the ECZ are not putting in account of what the stakeholders are saying. So, for us, your excellency, we are against of these laws that are coming as you are about to start going to campaigns and elections. We are not happy, your excellency. Thank you so much, sir.

SPEAKER_17 1:22:57

Thank you very much. ECZ is proposing in the electoral process bill that you should uh leave after you vote, they want to remove security features to the ballot paper. What are your views? Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_30 1:23:13

Hello Anonymous, I'm calling you from Northwestern Province, Zambia.

SPEAKER_17 1:23:19

Anonymous, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_30 1:23:23

Yes, I think Ambassador, I think Mozambia the problem we have is a child because uh you know if you have seen the past years from the center to power, I think he's a man who is controlling each other everyone shooting. And we we we the Zambians, we should lize and defend our rights, otherwise we cannot manipulate by one individual, but I think we should talk a few minutes because the we are suffering. So on the 10th of August, my fellow Zambians, let's wake up early in the morning, let's go and vote him out and defend our voters. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:27

Thank you very much. Thank you. The lines are uh piling, which is very good. This is your election. You should uh tell us what your views are. There are various processes that ECZ is engaged that is threatening the holding of free and fair elections. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_29 1:24:50

Hello, good evening, Ramwamba. This is Mama T. Mama T, good evening.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:56

Thank you very much, Mama.

SPEAKER_29 1:24:57

Uh M Kwai Mamwamba, in omla umlopana uka manumbab, if you feel my zambianzi, that women in a pamu. Like we are saying every time this is the cause that we are we are talking about. Let's unite. For us to win this fight, we need to unite. What can we do to stop this money from manipulating my elections? There is no way, wafun ye po fit in door, wafun ye po fish papers. How are we going to know? A death stamp is very important. We should know when we voted. Took place on this day, this year, nefiofin. Twa kwatafia zambia imu. Takwa ba Zambia imbu. Takulina kumbi kotu kaya ni zambia tuwakwata. Imala kaymu. Ifiya femulechita, ngefia malechita ba nenu. Nga mwari bawa presidenti mwe. Pantu malaka inde male imi ni nina. Male la ndefinifion sefomu inga fwa. But this time around you don't want people to talk. You don't want people to voice out. Why baka indi? Uku mi pera pawa, kwema tumwaba presidentwa panga mistegi. Awwebaka indefi chalo chifide chaba. Ichalo echi chalo chesu won sete chalo chinwawe. Ukumi pera mu presidentite kwema kibadi mi pere chalo, kwebati chalo chale chalo chenu, mule chinja fiamala mulopo ngamwabuka, yo mastari cruti four thousand people. We want you to explain why recruiting people in secrecy without even informing the nation kwebaki to let study cruti wa polici. Awale n must study cruciba policia. Eba mabe no mlefa mukale tenomba pantu four thousand ni numbe kulusan. Eh? Police stations. Mukasha la mulestafishinema. And then my appeal to the leaders. Awa leaders prison papata. Every time defi fini. Mama leaders. Mama ni akalinde fiale stolu position. Wateza kay shwakanolo ni shala la pangama press conference a la station. Akulande. Speak. Shati people can hear you. Aiko loko tina you. Uywa kayinde mampela makapapantu mole lango kuebati mule mutina sana. Esa lengo kwebata kwate fi fine fiale chita. Mamoneli. Ah mapila boman inusambo kwa kupoka si tia bomani sambo naba joma lanji. Ama no kwa tita panu landa. Aambo kuchinzafia ma filifionse filifiunse. Io intekena isa. Tatufile pone filifiunse. What is happening? Weleni. Abama jaski mwinbuavo, batino kuti recruitment bra bla bla bla fituntu. Mishin echalo to aliba tuela. Ya manifama ya bonumba. I would thank you. Thank you very finish this problem. Pas a teens august. If we re up a problem, we to quit. Thank you so much, my mom.

SPEAKER_17 1:29:34

Thank you. Hello, colour please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Hello, Cola.

SPEAKER_14 1:29:43

Uh Ambassador. This is Dr. K from Roussack.

SPEAKER_17 1:29:46

Yes, my brother, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_14 1:29:51

Yes, Ambassador. You know, ECZ is really giving us a lot of headaches. Yeah. We thought that uh by them calling the consultation meeting, these are the things that they are going to be discussing, including what they are bringing in that view. Yeah. But the things that we are seeing by Manuel, they are really constant. And I do ally of facts, we don't have a father. And the our opposite uh political parties are also putting a lot of pressure on issues that you know for them to account for these wrong, wrong suggestions that they are bringing. You know, we have got the supreme law, the constitution, but that constitution is not being respected. Instead, they are bringing in analysis that would just lead to us not having a free and fair election. Because these elections are about us, the Scandian citizens, to choose which leaders we should be able to have come Augustine. Now it looks like ECZ is not playing that role of being a body that will be like a referee and ensure that they deliver a credible, free, and fair election. And now, what is happening is them, you know, today I was just listening to um to Cassaru. Of course, I didn't finish the interview. The journalists also are not helping in asking those pertinent questions so that the ECZ can be accountable to the people. Because that institution is the same quasi government institution, which is responsible to ensure that there is free and fair elections. But all they are looking at is how to defranchise, you know, how to make sure that the so-and-so candidates should not be on the ballot paper, and they are just making sure that the people should not protect their votes. Instead, they are suggesting that once you vote, you go home and wait for them to tell you what the results are. I think that's not what it's supposed to be. And we know that the polling assistants are always intimidated. In some cases, they are beaten and they leave the polling station, and then the ECZ now can do whatever they want to do in favor of the ruling party. So our democracies under threat, be it the judicator, be it the parliament, you know, they are all responding to what the executive is demanding so that they continue to remain in power, which is very, very unfortunate, Ambassador. And so now we are in a situation where we are asking ourselves, what can we do as citizens? You know, who can help us in this situation? Because it looks like, you know, the government has got an upper hand in this case. They have the security wings, they have silenced everyone, and the everyone is like just, you know, moving in fear, be it the judiciary, you know, everything is just like in chaos, in my view. And we seem to be a bit hopeless, you know, as citizens. Yes, we can tend to go to prayer and trust God for a miracle, but there must be steps that we need to take in order for us to have a free and fair election. So we are in this situation where if we think critically, you know, we we seem like we explode, you know, we have headaches, we don't know what to do. If we try to do something, the police cannot give you a permit. There's all these maneuvers, you know, around. And therefore, we don't know whether we should turn to the international community, whether we should take AU. It's like this is the situation, and the government is determined to go that route. So, my Manu Mamba, we are really in a very difficult situation. We hope that the opposition can unite and command one voice and be able to direct the people on what they need to do. Also, the civil society organization, they are so quiet. It's like they don't exist in Zambia. They have been silenced, they are afraid of cyber laws and whatever. But we are in this situation where we may not have a free and fair election, my man or man.

SPEAKER_17 1:34:25

Thank you, my brother. Thank you. So many callers are waiting.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:02

One Bushe. I na my election to a kwa tam Zambia. You as an ambassador person or issue ambassador ambassadors. Since Natuatefresh, if it's a danger to the democracy of this country, what is the position of the international community? Because Ambassador, we saw Patricia Scotland come in, we saw Professor Gambara coming in, we saw European Union, we saw American Ambassador, we saw all the different uh international cooperative partners speak on behalf of President Akainde HM and UPND. What has gone wrong to the Zambian people today? You saw what has happened to Bill 7, the international communities quiet. See what is happening in two parliament, people are crossing the floors, none of the international communities raising the flag, they are introducing new law into in this year's election, the international communities are very quiet. We are all wondering is it that maybe is the UPN and President Daka Inde H the Mamwana Wawa, is it their project? It's a Western project so that the international community is so silent. These are the people who started preaching about democracy. When they have seen democracy been undermining, where are they? Where is the American ambassador? Where is the British ambassador? Where is the German ambassador? Where is the European Union? Where is African Union? Where is the international community? Why are we seeing things that are falling apart? Are they just waiting? Or is it possible for them this time to prevent this? Ambassador, you have got that capacity, you understand these things. Where is the international community on this? That is number one. Number two, Ambassador, if Mula Ndugwa Navale the election bill, you know the they have taken the bill, the new proposal on the election process. But ambassador, those people in the parliament are not representing the people, they're representing their own interests. There is nothing we are going to get from that. It can even be passed in three days. The first day, it is going to have a first reading, the second day, a second reading, the third day to be the final. But parliament, they are not representing the people from where they come from. But they represent their own interests. And no any Zambian should expect to expect that those MPs they can defend their interests. Not quite 226 constituencies. At this moment, ambassadors, and the situation to Kwetemuchalo. Do we have a political party which has got capacity to organize these people? That's why the Zambian people, president, political party in the Kwanisha 30,000 polling agents and assistants. Ambassador, I'm drawing you back. What happened in Northwestern province? Congo Valley Mwipaya was murdered during the day of voting by Congo. Nama election Yalubana Northwestern. No one was monitoring election in Southern province. No one was monitoring election in Western province. What is going to happen? Nachima Pasweka. Takuli in the Kwanisha. 30,000 polling artists and assistants. If PFR m government, wawwe pay a provincial chairman, Pomu Shikuwama vote. Na i mumwari konser mwanani. So icheni Apa kuruburawena Zambia. Mwivula Igoen nangufuakwike kuntaj. Shindi ambassad. Ayama konstituence wa pangileose seventy. Namwalo lecha. Bonse wayawantuwa votelebiu seven. Na wa pirama konstitue si a nuna wachita wona. I'll give you prakatiku example. Inwapra province kwaaliba mambirima mwen se na mwasabombu. Paantukuriokuntu. Mwata ka zembe. Ali ma paswe ku kwevati. Teti munka kirawa nawandimu le wa shupa. Inendefuya justice. Ayama konstrueses. Takwalifio ba streko. Ngakuli mucharo muno. Ukuwa povat. Ukaba development. Nikulwa pula. Bat mwone nama konstru ses ambi uba stre, ba pela manyu konstrueses, pantunish, pantuwa and tu, bali ba compromise. Ambassador, demi lomba imwe. Ne chen shina lesa wisdom. Balondolele ni won sama opposition. Tabakwe tekapacity ya kui imina paliwena chilamuntu paeka. Bafiliwa imina pamu pen wonsei. Baakana ma province according to political parties. Kanam kwata four legs, mwala or five legs, mwala kana province, kuti muchife chilwan. Otherwise, itulimwe sambu sambu no shalimo akavamo. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_17 1:42:30

Thank you, thank you. Alo cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Sorry.

SPEAKER_26 1:42:36

Oh, ambassador.

SPEAKER_17 1:42:39

And Tamkui, please make your tell us your name and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_26 1:42:43

Ma many lenda nettumina suvaristi.

SPEAKER_17 1:42:46

Mamanenda.

SPEAKER_26 1:42:48

Ambassador tulipo noba chilipa mulilo. Tudimso doma na gomola. Nana konka wati finibalan deba bla bafumine po kwebati, ba opposition. Obviatwale kuti koku. Bamdubile ba make bi ba bwadefu bebon sam opposition yaben adikalaba. Bale kutika kutiprogrami. Le lo, gazo naba samkulafwebebantu mnumzambia. Bafunye pobu kaite mwe. Bantu uke min nefetewa njimi nefeneca. Bakai mfukubachi ba ba bonfu shabino familia bo. Awa tulimso dunman la gomola. Ala tu le chulafuebantu. Mone malamubale panga babanto. Lelo kutiba pangei, ma baisa panga ideja, ija debaisa pangga ideja, tapadi muntu ule mokwebati alande. Nebuksana machimbalandasa to kwebati mwama sambi la shita. Ema mwali lana. Banto banto ba nanda fini mba, bantama kwasinga mama munsa kuti baes kuti bambo. Banesh debukshana machinabakamundo kwa kwa to muntunggaisa a kesamichalo. Musa tumba ma shimam dramaka wondokati. Please to a pamata Mama Zambian ten to come onama vote ineba landa, andwa fanko to cano lama vote nama inama opposition. Pantu sena byte ma so nenda, mana presidento, when an so so, but tamo, manabum sambo, but maman can too, mina and fish on dueki. Iba twa shromanque, when opposition yak smanukaka, when party takubakaka, shall chashan prisd to papata, it's a muka, mama opposition fenamulamala. Balanga changed to bass, mamfanus um to machinwe, name changed to kubaka nabaka na palassi batambu kula penama statement. Nebama position zoma position ma shan in de mam opposition Bantu na baitemoa Tabale fangu fumantuwa tu we can wino zomona. A chaku andboting kumkamasto mungan fifty quacha. Fe triza two hundred and fifty. That's a to them ashua. But now becama bekana finganabeka naba naba banedi lapo. So abama opposition katane. Nanguba nga diamenta em peas bekalanda bokutulan bago fuman fanta baku tumuse. Namena zabanek mama presdendi. Ngabakem nefan wanu, ngaba no sa bakekanefezi. Nambufinskale no kashani, bakanish pantu nabatule kenele shakomatika twishi. Zona sati zinsa manda kutika, mama sisartu zona, bat shama fishabanicha. Epa banifalafusani fina suba mebantu akwanesa. Isha no sesu zomana, esha tu penalesa. Zambani flefinas anda sisteman what zanba tu akwata niimo tenya msen kando kutia mamuno. Bagasendaba na bauna mande kebakema. Nga febale matukaya kwatukashan. Ngaba kote bakabutuki la quiz. Eh? Tule kanasan no moska kuanda ubuchino kulanda tavo side ballo, but you nevaida. Batumun bingalanda chin. Tabla fumus mama position mba mama fumabati to shondore gazona. Imaikata ngazona little temo Icatanni. Funye nipobukaitemwe funy nipachimuka nongke naba naveni. In any mandachaban zona badla serio s ng badip. Debu shama shumbalandas ever bad muring patinabacaunda. Bakaunda gaba lucha baile ba shusha bala tali canamin and pardiamid, but mamma about democracy abama puticum zona se fare fire. Ah, mama site balocima kucagara. Mulane.

SPEAKER_17 1:47:19

Thank you, my dear sister. Thank you very much. Alo cora, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and uh make your contribution.

unknown 1:47:30

Uh this is the Mwewa.

SPEAKER_21 1:47:33

Um uh today I'm calling you from Kaoma.

SPEAKER_17 1:47:36

Yes, Mwewa, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:47:40

Thank you so much. Um you know, in in in as much as the we are complaining about uh what the UPND is bringing in terms of uh electoral changes and other other funny funny rules that the UPND have brought. If we if we don't uh unite uh in the opposition I think we are not going to go anywhere. If at all we go uh with a disunited opposition. Now, specifically let me handle the issue of the patriotic fund first. As you may be aware, there are almost uh three factions in the patriotic fund. There is that faction, that first of all Brook Owen, uh for Honorable Brian Mondovili. There is now this faction of Mao Sampa and this faction of uh Makebu Zuru. Now these guys he uh for example Mao Sampa and the Honorable Branimundui. Because Makebu Zuru, Makebu Zuru won pres his presidency by the popular votes. He was voted in almost by almost 111 districts in that convention. So he's a legitimate president and the Zambians know that fact because he came in through through a vote and I think he it was the will of the people. Now these two, the way of Honorable Mundouri, for example, broke away from the party to go and uh become the council president. How did he broke away? Was it uh legal? Okay, so when we talk about legitimacy, uh Honorable Bran Mundwe must understand that there's no legitimacy in what he did with Thomas. And he must realize that what we are uh fighting here is a bigger picture. We are fighting for this country, Zambia. Therefore, we need each and everyone on board. So Honorable Bran Munwiri must realize and consider the type of battle he's fighting. Is it that battle that should liberate Zambians or is it the battle that should usher him as president? Or same applies to Honorable Mao Sampa and the and his team. They they must look at a bigger picture. Looking at the we have we it's a liberation struggle. So why are they doing things that are upsetting Zambians? So what is their interest? For me, I've already concluded that Honorable Mao Sampando, they want to bring in transaction politics where people should bargain to say we'll give you this, we'll give you that next. But uh, this is not time for transactions. This is a time to liberate Zambia and Z. So these two gentlemen must realize one thing to say that the same uh battle uh uh which they have been fighting within the party has destabilized the operations of the party. Okay? We cannot be complaining of uh election electromonitoring if the PF leadership is functioning well and very well because if you look at what Zambians are looking for, Zambians are not looking for money, Zambians are looking for leadership, and the party that has got uh a popular presence throughout Zambia is the patriotic front. So the members of the public are waiting for the patriotic front to lead them for Tungurusha one too. If we talk of election monitoring, how are our branches and sections going to monitor those elections? How are they going to mobilize? But we can't start all those things because they are people with selfish interests. So by UPND, all of us we know that they don't want to let go of power, they don't want, and they have demonstrated and we with their demonstrations when I no more you saw how B7 went through, and uh the president confessed to say that if Bill 7 didn't go through, we wouldn't have won elections and look at all these the laws that are coming, they are coming from Bill 7. That's why he said we would have lost elections if Bill 7 didn't go through. So Bill 7 has gone through. Look at the members of parliament that we have today, whose interest are they representing? So if we are going to say that the members of parliament are going to defend this electoral electoral uh uh uh law, they can't because those have been adopted by UPND. This thing, this paper will go through. But former perma zambience, you should go ahead. So let's see. I was trying to call him, but uh I hope uh he can delegate his phone to someone so that those who are traveling to meet him from distance places they are not inconvenient. Yeah, so so let maybe let's let someone handle his phone. So this time around must look at the those that are willing to come to work. If Mao Sampa is resisting, if Bundura is resisting, let him lead the way. If we talk about money, you be in the Kundarama, you can be able to do it. So what we just have as Zambians is human resources, and Zambians are waiting for the major political party to leave their way. But there are confusion that are brought in by selfish people. They are the ones that have taken us where we are, where we have not even started organizing. We don't know uh if we are going to manage even to shoot candidates in certain places, there's no present of the party. I'm a confusion. So before the Troy Bama, if members of the Patriotic plant, before the Troy Bama Zambians at Seni Unit, let us demonstrate that unit within ourselves. If you cannot demonstrate unit within ourselves, how are the Zambians going to trust us?

SPEAKER_17 1:55:33

Thank you very much. Let me take some more calls before we close. Today we are discussing the threats against the electoral process. What are your views? Um, there are changes that are being proposed, very dangerous proposals like removing security features on the ballot paper and asking you to leave as soon as you vote. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:08

I would remain an anonymous, but calling from Zambia.

SPEAKER_17 1:56:11

Make your contribution, my brother, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:16

What you the revelations that you are bringing are very worrying. And they are very dangerous to what we are expecting to happen in a few months from now. Now, I've got one uh one request to make because you see, the level that you understand these challenges that we are about to face is different from the levels that these other political players that are aspiring to go and participate are moving at. And this is why, if you talk of bringing these people together to come up with one candidate, it's very difficult because some of these political parties that will they look like they are very powerful. We don't know who is sponsoring them. Okay, so I've got one humble request. Is it possible, Ambassador, that you you as an as uh as an individual who understand these challenges that we have, you can identify these political leaders, you have a meeting with them, you chair that meeting, you guide, so that at the end of the day, you highlight because what you are doing, some of them have these laughing at you. But if you can go for a meeting, you will know who are with the Zambians and who are not with the Zambians. Then you find a solution. There's a question that one of the previous scholars made to ask you to say, can you what should we do? You are an ambassador, you you don't know why God is revealing these things to you. He's doing this for the sake of Zambians, my brother. We really need your help, we really need your input. Is it possible, my brother, to call for these politicians, whatever means of these days there's technology, you can have a meeting with them and discuss, come up with documents that maybe can be taken to the community out where they can help us to resolve this matter. Otherwise, the way we are moving, nothing is going to happen. This issue that has gone to parliament, I can assure you, this is the same parliament that produced Bill 7. And it is the same challenge that we are going to have. And the only way to avoid this problem is to go back to the conditions that helped Again Dechidema to win in 2021. We cannot afford to change the game, the rules of the game only last minute. Why is it why why has it become bad today when it was good when he when he dashed him in the parliament? I mean in the government. So the only way is not to allow any changes that to come with these elections we are going to go for. So please, please, I'm I'm appealing to you, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_17 1:59:07

Thank you, my brother.

SPEAKER_10 1:59:08

How you can identify the leaders that are going to understand where that will move on the same base with you so that you can educate, you can guide, and then we come up with a solution rather than where we are at the moment. I don't say the solution from these these leaders that are seated in their comfortable zones, that some of them are even sponsored. We don't know what their hidden agenda is, but Zambians are suffering. We are suffering back home. I submit to my brother.

SPEAKER_17 1:59:37

Thank you, thank you. That's why you saw the chaos at a consultative meeting, a very serious meeting that should have resolved this, degenerated into a comical show. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_13 2:00:27

Oh Nizambia, what is their stance because uh in 1991 they are the one who told us uh that is overstayed, and the reason why the country is in not development is because of the governance system of we went into introducing uh the mouth party system uh today everything presidents and the UP India are doing gold and silver. Uh I want you, ambassador, from your exposure uh and that you are what the position has standard. Where is the international community regarding what's happening in the parliament? We have almost uh 75 percent of the members of parliament of the patriotic fund of course the flow and the speaker for never to be a combat and have brought in a bill regarding election, and they want us to pretend that Tama Zamentawish Ambassador to Nini One, number two ambassador Obama opposition leader, President Blan Mundovile, President Makebu Zulu, President Ari Kalala, President Fred Membe, President uh KBF as an individual political party to defeat a change. So Imola Ambassador Balondolo Zambia and the Walumuki. She was a deputy speaker of the National Assembly. When it walemus, number two, Bamma Mwangala Salomis, Nafe Chilanda Wambiwakola, nawakula umtende muchalo, what legacy she's going to live? No individual political party in the fit, president, MMD, and the way they are moving. Uyomuntu is let down. Ulomuntu zambe chola, and there is a rule of law. Rule of law has been broken out.

unknown 2:04:20

I submit.

SPEAKER_17 2:04:21

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_24 2:04:29

Yes, caller, good evening. Hello, good evening.

SPEAKER_17 2:04:33

Good evening.

SPEAKER_24 2:04:35

Um, my name is Gigi.

SPEAKER_17 2:04:40

Yes, my dear sister, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_25 2:04:44

Okay, well mwamba. Election set to a vote, you know. Kulole Chitunfu, Pitano Kam Sengabena Nishiya Shupa. Nobody since opposition. Opposition yakuyam. Muntoi, program. Aloy to me. Mamma Zalome, Tabale Twafwa, Machi Penzi, Tapali Firondolo Kele, Bon Sava Yanava security, tapali fru and lokele. Male fitina mufi. Elohapalombana to shalatina opposition, you know, king shita. Na ipo. If manalang opposition, jakukamas nomination. If I nominate nomination, abantu. Nabatina mbelaya babantu. Takwa engishama police four thousand private. Telling my shiva tibala ku sam kuleta confusion mukum the guy gives muk tesi with my police station. Nancibashi energy, bai calafe dondolo, bafuro solve thin too. If I move cavaleka sabanya fein too. I mean the cavaleka sabanya fe too, bale firufianya. If a bafuka sabanya, and babala file to kwa ti, you couldi for few valufianya febu. Quite for febufiani. If anyguchimu, in misangosabu so bantu baba mueni. Now baba money misango singisan navenba isokoe lafi. That's why new one a kasinga mukongkasano living stone. Ulomanakasinga leon to la kufitola mwa manunangu sebutu wa tola mmu. Kufialanda. If you mole chita, fikesabadi muri m patimu, alandewa fikesa mi framka pati mutiloto. Uku vani tachy bote kusuma, the kenya vantuva chitel fale chita, kufialo sutakwa ku tansio muntu pegati meni poika la pabala lole. Bamuamba kui mininum mutuale votanafuala pndi femininapa, baliwa plowa, wwanunasila boyu, wwa yingila mukati. Takwa ku tansemba venna ni si abantuba chulila, baikadina kumuga wefu afwa, kuva la gilaku kateka buino, it p taile teka poinu. You nipi tam tekelebuino mam di tam tekebu. E'waan tuba fluki mama pati ya kaliha teka povuino. U shama kutuba po mw opposisyani, no kuisa lufiany fintu. Uku filufiya nyo chalante kwasile to mwen kusume. Naka no no na keskam chalu. Awanji niba mwamba mantini ni mwa opposition ni muiva griji, umuntu mabalefuwa kwa t nutu minile tube pari presenti, tafia mumbefio. Saleni umuntu mu. Tulefu, man tu anama opposition, yang sana kabamuya. Lugule nia wentuabena zambia. Mumanabena zambia ma shile langa ti na chwam. Maledi na musi, maladina fia mwandi twaikala twachula, uhandi nta kwa povite ku wifi, uhandinta kwa povu mutu mfia ulepingula, uhandjin ta kwa kwati kabachi tenis to kalachite mingalato. Siswati mwafula from governmentalato. I mingalato I mingalatofiu mutufio wai swa fiati. I mingalato kutuwa mila na kupodiam levandati mingalato. Spokesperson you levananda minister of information u levananda ti mingalato na ukana napachipuna. Wja zati shuwa mwevantu. Oh, mwale mwfuwa kofimuwena zambia. No tonu le niabantu, tila ifwe, ba opposition yimwe, ekataneni, mwitu shupa mwakidi 50 percent i te ya muntu umu. Na fifty percent yababa yupiendi tabakaitole. Na wwwana ve si ba echi na mwava mwana bafwa na chabingu wabula abantu. Valefuwa fifty per cent yba fui di siye. Fifty percent te ya kuwa angala kwa kuba mwa ikatana. No chuwa bukala landefiakwe opposition, nu wabukalalandesiaku. Ekatane, abantu ku shiva ji katana, bala chimwa valu fia mwa lananda findi abantu batina katana balefu e tintuchinga. Chimu, tavale landa, valitawale landa abantuna flama mambangu enda pakro mgi, abantuvalelanda fiati, muka mwoneti katitika, kapita fekumanomination ni won se ko tugaya. Mwahufa, nisu tumasha tichalo chili wimu. Fu dishwati muzambia munaba di summa monita in shani abuta monita ma eleki. Fish valeti moni taba kumone file chiti kamja. Naba munafu balechita bandu. Naba munabu shelf since when, since you ni fila twasalukaluna mu mmu twenty twenty six gabadi piti nabalababa kaiseo egalekite fialechi tebalechita, dipitababanaba president balete kobuteko. Kele si yo, alimu tu ako tile keni baletampe kavale tu kanoko inebalan dese. Batibe na kumfu fio kumfu kefendona mumfu. Kumfuikefia si ala tapala chisi opadia kalale panchi, al kutolo mpambo atolili chibali. Fidalandia timu kamfuya mukamfuya na mu na mumfi fina tochi namukasubana tochi. Aw tude mufwaya. Elo tude mudila. Kabili bayufi, nabatola pochimu. Abchumu laba nanga pleva funda pangandati fi fivi fi fi elo be lucanabatola pochimo fine baba chile, kuibu police, baba tio database upi shia bako, nabatola po five sense. Bamwwamba. Thank you.

SPEAKER_17 2:11:06

Thank you very much. We have so many people waiting as we are supposed to close, but uh let's hear from you. This is your program. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_12 2:11:16

Uh senior line, Mamwamba. I I'm just so happy. Yeah, well quiet. I'm just so happy that you're back, Mamwamba. I I missed you. The Zambian people missed you. And then what I would say today, Mamwamba, if you could hear all the callers, what they are saying, they are all saying one and the same thing, Mamwamba. But my call is to all Zambians. As much as this person who is in power thinks that we are timid and we are scared of him, we are not. Oh, I would say, even with you. Let's unite with the people. Let's not also unite with the people that are in the top where they just want to do things for the stomach. Let us look for leaders that want to unite with the people, people that can bring development for Zambia. As much as people are talking about, oh no, you know, whether we like it or not, come on, but let's say it's the way it is. The Zambia police is a branch of UPNB. But what we the Zambians have, we are the biggest opposition in Zambia. And what we the Zambian people, we've seen what these guys have done, and we know where we are today. Like every person that has caught on this program, Ramanda, let us open our eyes. Let us all call not forget to cook people, to let people all is going to be well. That leader that we need to unite with people that mean well. We just don't want to see unite, and then some people are not even wish to be united because they don't put Zambia first. A lot of people want to talk to you. They have missed you, and I'm so glad that you're back today. God bless you and God bless all Zambians. Thank you.

SPEAKER_17 2:13:20

Thank you very much. Cola's less uh to the Kumatero, but you are insisting on talking. I'll stay on another just 10 minutes just to hear from you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and make your contributions. My brother.

SPEAKER_11 2:14:22

Because Minima cancellers. Because independent. Okay, independent statement. So much it does want to statement. Because so far that changes organization by EU by America now shall be planning to you.

SPEAKER_17 2:15:40

Thank you very much. Let's get your last calls. I make my remarks and we close. There are so many people that are calling. Um, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Hello.

SPEAKER_29 2:16:01

Hello, M Kwai, M Kwai. Eh, U Tushi Mi Twachilamo. Elo Tushimi Totopukwata, Tulet Funyama. Eh, Tulet Funyama Wu Te Tushimiu Tusumayo. Lelo in the blame. And to Ba di Fi Katana, Eva Fropi Katana. Elo Tapana Talisha Lingakuiva.

SPEAKER_24 2:17:12

And my chin.

SPEAKER_17 2:17:15

My uncle Andread Muphoni. Mamma Maufia got my phone, I could read M phony.

SPEAKER_29 2:17:20

And quite too much on the land up. Zambians. Ukufu Zambians. Vekesha. Tatule voyok monomulo pam challenges. Tinto chumita vi shangansi. Uku chula wantu vale chula. Chule na papa papa dielo vale valle vota. Bachuli repo. So mwema opposition, mwa filoku chita protect, no kuchita protecti avantu venu. I kataneni. Wa papa ta ikataneni. Tule keno kulanda ti botele niva makebizu, botele niba mundu nire, botele niva kabi ba ba ba bashaina basha nyuko. Tulanda fiati ikatane ninga mwaikatana. Mwaikatana mwa ivika bamugunsei. Elo nombefintu fiala wumba. No manga ta mwika te me. Mwala tu ipaisha. Fionze fi adiva drafted. Yo biye mle landa kwatiri mwadiamendi. Ya liba drafted. Ya diba na approved. Nangwbengalando kweva ti tuapapa ta mwika ya yvotra ya di vota, ya di votelwa kale, yakwe safe presenta, this is it. Pandwabantu, tabakwe tio luse ngwapanon. U luse tabalu kwete ifotulalanda navantu tu adikwata baku lulu, tu adikwata wantu valila. Every day. Nobody, nobody should touch a zambian taturefokimonechu. Nobody. They should not even try to touch a zambian. Twachula. If on the five.

SPEAKER_17 2:19:20

Thank you, thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah, I'm taking the last calls and I give my remarks over your uh overwhelming response on this program regarding Zambia's possibility of of holding democratic, free, and fair elections. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Good evening.

SPEAKER_19 2:19:46

This is Alfred calling from uh Los Alta.

SPEAKER_17 2:19:49

Alfred, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_18 2:19:52

Thank you. Uh you know, Ambassador, uh there is no possibility of Zambia having direction under the UK. It's very clear, first of all, the doesn't have competency to say an direction. It's the reason why he has embarrassed. It's the reason why that our Supreme Lord.

SPEAKER_17 2:20:40

Uh oh dear brother, Walfred from Lusaka, your network is uh tripping and we keep on uh missing what you are saying. I'm so sorry. Um, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Andony must make your contribution. Oh, the lions is a push up vote.

SPEAKER_27 2:22:41

Shall I forget a lot? Then you should let a round for full. We have any fish, we have any fish.

SPEAKER_17 2:22:57

Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. The line was bad, but I think we got the gist of what you are saying.

SPEAKER_16 2:25:22

Um, give you a van to Balila, the Kulabama cancellers, presidential to fit it to issue about polling station to Babomba. If a tow complained of Baba Blocks, Joseph, we should finish the municipal characters. I'm a right. If you are so much as long as you have Magound Christ.

SPEAKER_17 2:27:13

Thank you very much. I was getting worried. Your line was cutting. Let me take two last calls and then we I give my remarks about today's topic and some responses, and we close.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:30

I'm James from Zambia.

SPEAKER_17 2:27:32

James, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:35

Yeah, Mr. Mumba, this is a time uh the opposition really needed to unite. They have to unite to raise funds to do the vote appropriate. Also have to lie behind this uh Caravan to to demonstrate uh the action of the the bill. Also, I'd like to mention that Mr. Assambo had already initiated the the process of raising funds. So why can't the opposition unite and get raise those funds in the employee vigilant use paper station? I think at least 10 to 20 vigilant use paper station to man and protect divorce.

SPEAKER_17 2:28:35

Thank you very much. Allo colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_11 2:28:43

Okay, mwamba Nakamina weda which Timukuruland deni poanguango. I am a vote anguakalanda beapita na chimufa wino flipalanda formachila landa. Tatwakafmepama polling station, Ich kulofetuka watum tende, no kuloleda, kuwa chamakandit mesu Minique, wamonefuba wumba, mama polding station filipetwaikala. Ich kulita to the woody, kuloleda fio filipide. Nama yumpizi fona tulanika tuame ba twala mikule kachita mpadament. Ibiungapita fikachitika fini wuma yumbizi filipa mitue because zi na muibe nga no kuish kukua ti biwi bati muku mukanda la makuru sapote biu. Bachwalami mona tu kanami konkukumone fumala mbukuchita paka chapa and to biu ngayapita mushwokwati. Awena zampe Fransef kachitikawa pamitue kafme na gumukafu shan. This thing will be on your children and junior generation to come. Thank you.

SPEAKER_17 2:29:56

Thank you very much. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions. Hello, Cola. Make your contribution. Tell us your name and make your contribution. Hello, good evening.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:13

Daniel from Cape Town.

SPEAKER_17 2:30:15

Daniel from Cape Town, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:28

Daniel, you know what you mean? So the only people that I'm counting on is you, Binu Umpundu, uh JJ Banda, spread the information, Ari Karava, spread the information, sensitize people as much as you can. One day will be reparated. We can see what has happened to H. So even those that are force him to be president when you are not given mukafuma poong if you vara fuma pwavanin. It must be something that you are prepared to do and something that you know that you will work for the Zambians. So Mwamba, Binwo Mpundu, JJ Banda, I'm my elections at a kapite with your voices. Your voices are not for the falling on deaf ears.

SPEAKER_17 2:32:01

Thank you very much. Thank you, dear viewers, and thank you for joining us. Today we are discussing the threats against Zambia holding democratic, credible, free, and fair elections, that the elections should be transparent. And we highlighted the threats. Already this process is threatened by the passing of Bill 7, which is now Article 13 of 2025. The current crossing of the floor that remains unattended. Can you imagine a speaker joins UPND when he's supposed to be um independent and he doesn't resign? Look at all the MPs from Sande Chanda, Robert Chavinga, Sydney Mushaka, and all those MPs that have crossed floors and have officially joined the UPND. All these are threatening parliament. Currently, there is a bill, a very dangerous bill, the electoral process bill, which is as a result of that is sitting before that parliament. There are dangerous provisions that have been provided for, including the demand that as soon as you vote, you leave the polling station. And this process, our voters who wake up at 0304, have always guarded their and so peacefully the results of what they voted. The new law requires that you leave the polling station. There are various issues of concern in that bill, including the removal of security features to the ballot paper. The stamp, the watermark, and other security features will be removed from that ballot paper. And remember, uh ECZ has already picked the winning bid who operate these ballots. This matter becomes very serious. Then the nomination process. That has to take place for presidential candidates. It's also a matter of worry that we discussed how they want you to bring those 100 supporters. You become visible to ECZ. We don't know what they will do between that period and the nomination period. We've had concerns of people that will file as independents. We know that there are administrative processes that have planned that they might disqualify those candidates. That was the topic today. There were various concerns. Particular caller keeps on insisting that with all these threats, where is the EU? Where is the British? Where are the US? Why are they quiet? My dear brother, I've got very bad news for you. Very, very bad news for you. The changes in our country will not be done by foreigners. It will not be done by the diplomatic community. They've chosen to be silent. There's a reason why they are silent. They were very vocal in 2021 and supported President Hakainde Hilema. And their silence now is extremely loud. I know you want them to be loud. They have chosen not to be. The changes and the reforms in our country will be done by you and me. You have to speak. This reliance on foreigners that they will help us is a folly process. Someone can conduct an election, kill people, and be called president, even send delegations to Zambia, and you receive them and you receive them properly and formally. The elections can only be guarded by you. Let us not even invest in hope that the British, the Americans, the EU will guard our elections. No, it has to be you and me. You and me are the ones that will cause changes. It is our country. Foreigners have interest in our country. And if they think that their interests are secure with a particular candidate, that's why they could keep Mobutu for 30 years. Mobutu would pick a code, go to the central bank. And the central bank governor will tell him, no, the dollars are finished. He would call the IMF. I want dollars tomorrow. And they'll bring the dollars, read about in the footsteps of Mr. Case and the misconduct of Mobutu Seseseco. They sustained him even when he was looting, pillaging the DRRC. So do not rely on foreigners to protect you and your vote. If the foreigners think that they can bring all sorts of vaccines, even vaccines for diarrhea, what are vaccine diarrhoea? Vaccinea cholera. Now they are bringing you certain rings that our women should wear. Even if they bring you contraceptives that are dangerous to our country, if they can do that and their rights are secured, they will be silent. So my dear brother, I recognize your passionate plea that we should raise lobbies in Washington, in London, in Paris. But for me, looking at the history of Africa, looking at the history of our country, there's a reason why foreigners speak and why foreigners keep quiet. So I've got very bad news for you. The changes in our country will be done by you and me. The rest will be merely complementary. You need to vote, you need to secure that vote. You need to ensure that ICZ announces the will of the Zambians, your will. You who wake up very early in the morning. And don't even think because of the threats we threatened, and you keep away from the vote. No, do not. The changes will be done by you. But all I am asking is for you to protect that vote. I'm highlighting all these concerns, giving you a profile of Mangala Zalomis, of uh uh of uh uh McDonald Chapenzi, of uh everyone else who's at the commission, so that you are aware that these men and women are not working for you, they are not responding to the constitution, they have a private role, they've been deployed to protect certain interests, but you are the voter. The constitution is your creation and you have a right to protect it, you have a right to protect your vote. That was the purpose of this entire broadcast. I have seen debates and again and again, why is the British quiet? Why are the Americans quiet? It doesn't matter how much we lobby them. We went to Aqualesa, Awakalubule Chalo, Nifu Tapari Navambi, if Kawunda had relied on foreigners to, you know, Kawunda and his team had relied on foreigners to emancipate our country, we would not have gotten independence. Maybe we would have gotten it far much later. They took the reins of the country, they took the agenda unto their own hands and they campaigned and they brought public pressure to bear. If you want to uh ensure that our country is emancipated, you have to take that charge yourself and be interested, be active and take it upon yourself. No one is going to do it for you. If the Americans, British, and other special envoys speak for Zambia and express concern about what is happening, well, it should be merely complementary to the work that is being done. That therefore the work on the shoulders of the opposition is far higher than we have seen so far. So God bless you, and until uh uh tomorrow we have Makebizulu from the PF Pamosi Alliance president here at his inaugural meeting. Join us tomorrow and God bless you, and we'll see you tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 2:40:07

We want change, we want change, change, we want change, we want to change the money in the morning.