GRZ CONDUCTS ILLEGAL AUTOPSY ON FORMER PRESIDENT

LIVE NOW; ZAMBIAN GOVERNMENT CONDUCTS ILLEGAL POSTMORTEM  ON ZAMBIA'S SIXTH PRESIDENT EDEGAR LUNGU

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SPEAKER_30 7:59

We want to set a precedent. Let them give us reason why the current president should not go near the casket. And who has told them that he wants to be near the casket anyway? Who has told them that he wants to be near the casket? You see, they want to say he shouldn't see the body. But who has told them that he wants to see the body?

SPEAKER_43 8:34

Why these speculations? Maybe it's because you're arguing that really this must happen. Maybe that's why the case is.

SPEAKER_30 8:40

Maybe the court was asking them.

SPEAKER_43 8:43

Presiding. The court was asking. The lawyer couldn't explain. Presiding. You yourselves, in your written notes, you are saying Bishop Ari Bada should preside.

SPEAKER_30 9:02

So why are you now saying the president will preside? You yourselves.

SPEAKER_43 9:07

So what is presiding?

SPEAKER_15 9:09

They couldn't explain what they don't know.

SPEAKER_06 9:21

I traveled to South Africa a day after the president died. And I can say with all my heart, truthfully, that I've had the opportunity to see the body. So it is total lie. It is inhuman to even think that maybe somebody is telling lies. No. Our former president is gone. And he has been lying in the mug for nine months. It is so unfortunate. I don't know who we have become, even as a people. How we the people of Zambia have been able to accept such a situation. And we have to understand that there are implications keeping a person embaried. What does it mean? And especially one who had the key to the nation, who ruled the nation for seven years, who did so much in the nation. The inhuman treatment of the widow and the children. Do you think that things can be well with us? It can't.

SPEAKER_18 10:48

And the same people should be presiding over his death memorial. The same people should be putting his ghosts to rest forever. And we are watching. We can't accept that. That's why people are saying, what's what's going on, Zandia? What's going on? I don't want to say people were happy and excited when Mr. Santa passed over. You can check it out for yourself. I don't want to say from day one after Mr. Santa died, people began trying to destroy his memory.

SPEAKER_44 11:25

Just to put it very in clear context, you are saying when Mr. Santa died, some people celebrated. They even began to campaign immediately. Yes. They saw it as an opportunity to get to office. Yes. So so so that is a fact.

SPEAKER_18 11:38

And now the same people went to further when they go to power. I can't allow that. So for me, I'm waiting between now and tomorrow morning to see what happens. How can you allow somebody who has murdered your son or your daughter? And you are still mourning to come and attend the funeral, and you need to speak at the funeral, but how good how good your son was. And you know about it, you say, Wait a minute, what a minute happened. And I think I can just say the whole thing I summed it up when I spoke to one guy, I said, Because how can you, Ambassador, Catholic? You remember the Jehovah's Witness in the 10th anniversary. How do you get remembered in a church when never knows that you are Catholic and so on? And the the state is and the worst part is that I have learned that uh is Catholic. And so he is the deputy of Karawa. They are Catholic. And they should have told government to say, look, how these things are done. Especially Patrick, who is a practicing Catholic church member, and I think giving mass uh Holy Communion and so on. They should have said, What a minute, we want to participate in this program. That's good. So let us engage the church to be present. Any insistence that we hold it in a mosque or in any other church building would have been frowned upon and say, no, sir. We can't do that. Because now I'm getting feedback. I don't know much about these things. Someone says, No, it's satanism and so on. So you're going to lie about the truth of the matter is that you will. So I only lamented that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying, No, we want to protect you. No, uh you see the meaning of the president to be saying to be going without this or that. I said, I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I'm not complaining at all. The time that I have complained is when I've been hired. I said you strip me of energy, my need, my liberty, my dignity, and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute I walk the street, somebody says you can't walk the street because you're calling a president. You are in danger of being attacked, and people have to attack you and blamed as police. That's why we're following you. When you stripped me of this thing, please put your house in the order. This minute I want to go to change somebody wants me to change and party friends and all.

SPEAKER_44 15:04

So I only lamented that you why should you be Thursday, 23rd April 2026? Welcome to today's broadcast. Today is an update of the broadcast we held yesterday over the motor remains of the late President Dr. Edgar Chagua Lungu and government of President Hakainde Ichilema's determined uh uh efforts to pick the body without the consent of the family and without any form of decency or dignity, relying on bogus illegal processes. Um let me just start with this monologue that President Hakainde H Lema is being tortured in life and in death. When he was president, he was humiliated by his chief opponent, President Hakainde H Lema. He called him all sorts of names. You know, he called him all sorts of names. And after the 2026 elections, President Hakainde H Lema refused to recognize President Edgar Lungu as rightful honor, and he refused to call him president the entire duration, the entire seven years that President Edgar Lungu was president. When he lost election, people thought this will come to an end. The nation will heal from these uh divisions. You the UPND have a habit of going to the arrest of President uh Hakainde Ichilema in 2017 over, you know, the the uh mongu uh namulunga debacle, where uh Ichlema's convoy refused to give way and Ichlema was charged with treason, was picked up and locked up and charged with treason. And that matter ended up in a nole prosecue, not that he was not guilty, uh, due to uh uh uh persuasions, especially from the Commonwealth. Um uh from the Commonwealth uh President uh uh Edgar Lungo decided that the matter should end and they entered the nole. The matter never went to trial. When President Akainde Chlema took over the reins of power, it was very clear that he was going to act with a lot of vengeance against his predecessor. He abused him in his words, in his speeches at every press conference, humiliated him, tried to bury his legacy, even many times when he was launching the programs and projects of his predecessor. He would stand on a program that was started by his predecessor and still issue uh verbo attacks against his uh president. It became worse when Ichilema store the patriotic front. He became abusive, began to use words like you never you never rule while I'm here. You never rule. You all saw those videos, I might play them. He was extremely abusive to his predecessor, and he vowed that unless he was not alive, President Edgar Lungu will not be allowed to return to politics. And indeed, even three judges were dismissed for just ruling that Edgar Lungu was properly elected. Edgar Lungu was uh taken to court uh in a clearly, clearly flawed process, a matter that the constitutional court has ruled several times, four times. They made that court rule against President President Edgar Lungu, and President Edgar Lungu was barred from contesting uh any election and any future election. That was not enough. He had stolen the Patriotic Front, he had now barred him to stand as president, and he went to the to the personal belongings of both the personal and party uh uh belongings of the party. They've seized over 250 vehicles that belong to the patriotic front. They use the excuse that these vehicles were not registered in the Patriotic Front or registered by World Wishers and others, including the children of the late president. Um you and I know that President Ichilema had vehicles for each constituency for each district. He had vehicles for each province and he had campaign vehicles located at the center. None of them were registered under UPND. But when PF did the same, he has seized all those vehicles from both the party, the party that he has stolen, and then he has gone to the any belonging of the family, the the children, the former face lady. It has been a traumatic period for the Lungu family the last five years. But what became worse and the new man was the denial of President President Edgar Lungu to seek medical treatment. He was stopped in 2022, he was stopped in 2023, he was stopped in 2024. And um when he finally left in 2025, you remember the UN Special Rapporteur was arriving that day. That is the only reason that the president left because in that VIP room there were delegates, advanced delegates for the UN Special Rapporteur, and UN and UNDP officials were everywhere. It became embarrassing for the state to attempt to stop the late president from leaving. Even that day, the way he left, he bought no ticket. He just turned up at the airport and Makebizulu then bought the tickets for the first lady and himself at the airport to attempt to stop all this detection by the state and to give them very little room. And the only reason Edgar Lungu was allowed to travel is that there were too many UN officials around and it was going to be very embarrassing for the state. He left for up to now, no government official saw President Lungu while in hospital, while under treatment in South Africa for six months. No one visited him. No one went to see. Even when President Lungu died, no one from government has been to the funeral house. No one from government, either the president, the first lady, or any official has been to the funeral of the late president. They organized their own celebration at Beovedia Lodge where they turned up. When President Edgar Lungu died, it took seven days for President Hakainde Ichilema to announce his death. It's not enough that. President Edgar Lungu was humiliated, tortured, embarrassed in life. Now he's being humiliated, embarrassed, and treated in an inhuman way, even in death. They claim that they want to offer the late president a dignified burial. That's not how you offer the dignified burial. They let President Edgar Lunguat put it very clearly that because of the differences, these 10-year differences, it would only be decent for President Akainde Chilema to stay away from the funeral. President Akainde Chilema has refused. He has stated that he wants to attend. The official programs have stated so. People have repeatedly told the president to say it publicly that, Mr. President, you will not attend his funeral as directed by his wishes. He has not to date. His officials may say whatever they say, but the president has not. Today, let's start with yesterday. Yesterday was a very sad day. And from my sources, the people even at the Mog, the funeral home that has been handling this matter, are first of all very traumatized. Since the late president died, there have been numerous attempts to pick this body. From the first day when the president died, I think he died on Thursday. Brought a ZAF plane without the consent or authority of the family. And the family had to stop him. No, what do you mean we have to go? Have you even cared how we've lived the last six months? Do we even know about the medical bills and just other matters? The late president has just died and we just can't leave. We've been here for the last six months. And they pushed that the plane will pick the body on Thursday. They were very oblivious to the concerns of the family, hence the protracted crisis we've had. It took the president seven days, seven days before he could address the nation on the late president. We had Secretary to Cabinet, you know, may the Lord bless him. It's not in his place, it is not his numbers, it's not in his position to do so, especially if the president is available, even the vice president. But he did make the announcement and the president did so only after seven days. What happened yesterday is extremely traumatic for all of us. The entire nation is just shocked. The entire nation is shocked at the events that occurred yesterday. So the Zambian officials from Lusaka, with an embassy official, one or two embassy officials from the Zambian embassy in Pretoria carried the police and turned up at the you know two mountains. And they challenge two mountains that they want to pick the body. And that uh remember two mountains, funeral pala, they've been part of the legal process, together with Makebizulu and the children and the former first lady. They are all there in the in the in the case with Attorney General and uh uh the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in South Africa is called Ministry of Department of International Relations and Cooperation. So they said, presented a document with some red note by court register that uh the the appeal by the Edgar Lungu family had lapsed. That's what they claimed, that they had failed to file documents and submission in the stated time. Therefore the appeal had lapsed and now they were there to pick the body. They were camped there at 1530, they harassed the staff, they were heavily armed, came and they picked the body. You and I don't even want to discuss what was the body, where was the state of the body, how was the body, how did they pick it up? How did they treat this body? How did they bundle it into a police vehicle? How did they treat the body? You and I don't even want to go there. We don't even want to imagine what happened to a body that has been in the morchary for almost a year. What is the state of the body and how was it handled by these people that were very determined? Now the the barbaric act comes where they ignored the family. You know, they purported to have written a statement to the family that they've consented with the family. No one from the family consented, no one from the family consented that the body should be picked. And when the lawyer was finally informed, he informed these policemen and the Zambian officials that this matter is in court. We have filed. Our matter has not lapsed in the cons in the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bromfontein. We have filed the notice of appeal, we have filed our arguments, we have done our submissions. And you and I, you and I, as government and the Zambian government and your lawyers and our lawyers have even agreed because the Zambian government wanted the matter bridged. They want this matter disposed of before elections. There was even those negotiations of how they were going to treat the trial, because they had dates that are lapsing beyond August 13th. Because I think some documents should be filed in in May. Another set of hearings was some documents in June, July, and then you know, determination beyond August. So the lawyers for the state were trying that even that process be abridged. And that's why the lawyer was shocked that these people are turned up claiming that the Supreme Court process had lapsed and they wanted to pick the body. And they said they were now using the High Court order. Remember the High Court judgment they won in August 2025. Every lawyer will tell you that even that process is the reliance on that court order is is is uh is legally fatal. It can't take you anywhere because it was superseded by an appeal, notice of appeal. The matter was in the Supreme Court. If government wanted to use any legal means, they should go, they should have gone to the Supreme Court and said, This matter is before you. They should have gone to the Supreme Court. They now relied on a judgment. Now, Kalemba Vesu, you know, our our reporters, sometimes you wonder the quality of reporting. It's extremely poor. There's no fresh order that the Zambian government have obtained, despite what you are reading. No fresh order by the Zambian government. The High Court from South Africa has not released the body of the late president as they are putting it. They have just interpreted themselves that because let us assume that the matter in the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bromfontein has lapsed. Let us assume that that is correct. They've now interpreted that therefore the judgment we won in the High Court in August 2025 should suffice and we are going to pick the body. They didn't go back to the Supreme Court where the matters are and asked the court for permission to repatriate the body. So all these things have been inhuman. And what has happened today? Where is the body? Where is the body? So the family lawyer is a very prominent lawyer in South Africa, you know him. Um he worked very hard in the night, went to uh the the court process in South Africa is extremely admirable. It's like the first world court. You can wake up the entire system even in the night if there's an urgent matter. So the registry, uh a notice was filed to the registry, and that there was a request for an urgent interdict because there were fears that the government was about to repatriate the late president just last night. So the lawyer was very lucky that uh the registry afforded him and allocated him a judge, and it's all online, and the judge issued an order to the Zambian government, the South African police, the police commissioner, the one that has just been fired by President Siriel Ramaposa, he has suspended him. All these were cited in that court order, and they were directed by the judge that they should return the body of the late president immediately, and that this body must be returned to two mountains or to a mortuary of the choice of the family. That's what the court order says. The court order is very explicit. You return the body of the late president immediately to two mountains or to a mortuary of their choice. So let us imagine the propaganda they've run the whole day, that um the propaganda they've run the whole day that two mountains have refused to take the body. Why don't they surrender the body to the family? Because the court order is very explicit. Give it to two mountains or to the family. They will tell you which mochary to take the body to, but surrender it, give it up. That is what the order says. As at this evening, the Attorney General Mulilo Kabesha has not surrendered the body of the late president. The family doesn't know where the body is from last night when the body was picked. They don't know the state of the body, they have no knowledge where Mulilokabesha has taken the body. We have now entered a realm of speculations. Because Murilo Kabesha, in his official statement, and uh I'm glad that when we come to a media and we come to the nation like this, that a somber critical matter like this, you don't do propaganda on it. You just rely on the facts. And there was a concerted attempt by the UPND and government machinery and their alliance partners who were tempted to demonstrate that the body was stolen, and they were even trying to implicate Makebizulu, and they were trying to push the narrative. And it was very sad even to see some faces that support certain presidential candidates in the opposition push that narrative alongside government. The facts emerged, Murilo Kabesha announced himself that they had picked the body, that they had relied on the High Court order issued in August 2025, that they had uh the body was now in their custody, and they claimed that they had deposited the body at a government facility with the South African government. So we were not doing propaganda, we were not in any way. In fact, it is the other side that engaged in uh in very just you can call it evil, just evil propaganda. Where is the body? Where is the body? Here is what we know as EMV. The body was taken yesterday, it was deposited at Shuane District Hospital in Pretoria, and it's under the custody of the Zambian Embassy. Today, the Zambian Embassy was frantically trying to get flight clearance with the civil aviation authority to repatriate the body. There's been intimation to them that they are these court holders. We understand that they were very determined that we're going to ignore the court orders and repatriate the body. You saw earlier in the day Makebizolu has rushed to South Africa, even feared that they might stop him at the airport. So this afternoon, uh Richard Musukwa, who's been a representative of the family and Makebi Zulu, rushed to South Africa to attempt to see what can be done. The lawyers have done their best. The lawyers for the family of the Edgar Lungu, they picked the board, I mean they they they've obtained a court order restraining the Zambian government from repatriating the body. They've obtained a court order that is explicit that returned the body to Two Mountains funeral parlour or to the family of Edgar Lungu's own choice of Mochari that will pick. The Attorney General, as I'm speaking to you, has not abided by the orders of the High Court. In effect, they've been trying to repatriate the remains of the late president. We are also aware that the president had the engagement in South Africa and in Mansa. He should have been in Mansa to attend the expo and to attend uh the official commissioning of the Malumba solar power plant, the process that was started by ZESCO under the PF, it's been completed. And then he's supposed to have engagement in South Africa. We understand he should have gone to Lesotho and Eswatini. Lesotho, there was an official opening of a long span bridge that has been built between Lesotho and South Africa that has crossed the two mountains and will shorten distance. We understand the president was supposed to attend there and he has an official engagement in Eswatini. He has cancelled those processes today. He hasn't been to Mansa, he hasn't traveled to Eswatini. And they were looking forward to receiving this body. Are we losing who we are as a people? Do we have we lost our sense to bring, to act as human beings? Before we are political opponents, have we lost the mind of being Africans, of being Zambians, of being human beings that would act in the manner we've acted the last 24 hours? The family is very clear. They want to put to rest the president. Murilo Kabesha and President Akaindia Ichilema can afford this long-drawn process. They are using your money. They are using your money. Murilokabesha's hired lawyers at your expense. They are doing these at government expense. The Lungu family, how are they managing this very expensive process? Who will pay the one-year cost of keeping the body at Temochari at Two Mountains? Who will pay those huge costs? Who's meeting the cost for the lawyers? No, Luseta Twakuata. No, Luseta Mwakwata. You know, can we be human for once? You cannot treat the widow in this manner. And this evening information emerged, which was even more serious, that they've brought some so-called relatives from Petawke. Well, we girakube of Dia Nakulong Acres Lodge. Naboben Walupua Tinwalupa appeal to you. Wait Galungu was your child, was your son. Why are you, if you are really a relative, why are you participating in such an evil scheme? Why doesn't President Dakainde HLM yield to the demands of the family and we put the late president to rest? Why should we subject the widow to this process, to this humiliation, to this pain? The former first lady yesterday was totally broken. It's like the president had died all over again. You can imagine the pain you and I felt yesterday. Yet we are distant from the late president. Imagine the trauma of the children yesterday, the trauma of the first lady, and the trauma of the family when they learned of these facts where government was abusing a legal process to steal the body. 24 hours later, they still have the body. We don't know where the body is. The lines are open. Let me hear from you.

SPEAKER_18 39:01

Stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying, No, we want to protect you. No, uh, you see the meaning of the president to be seen, to be going without this or that. I said, I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I'm not complaining at all. The time that I have complained is when I've been harassed, I said, You've stripped me of everything by leading my liberty, my dignity, and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute I walk the street, somebody says you can't walk the street because you're former president, you are in danger of being attacked, and people might attack you, and you'll be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. The next minute I said, But you mean you didn't know that I was former president?

SPEAKER_44 39:49

Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions. Yes, my brother. Who's calling?

SPEAKER_30 40:00

Uh my brother still remain anonymous.

SPEAKER_44 40:03

Anonymous make your contributions.

SPEAKER_30 40:06

Yes. Some view, this is really annoying. We know that we said the view that is a gentleman. Look at all the people in the screen. Even now study the UPND. There are some people who have completely gone silent. In the simply gone silent because they know they know him. So what we are saying, ladies and gentlemen, fellowsambians, that this is a time for us to seek God.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

This is not a physical battle.

SPEAKER_44 43:03

Yeah, my brother, just just let me cut the line. I've got an agent call. There could be something important that I can update you. Just hold on. Yeah, you can call back. Let me just take this call. Good day, thank you very much. Sorry, viewers had opened the phone lines, but uh to take that very urgent call. I've been trying to reach Honorable Makebizulu, who's a family spokesperson who has traveled to South Africa to urgently attend to the matters that have occurred where there's a court order, but uh the attorney general and the Zambian government have not complied to that court order. So uh I wish to announce that in the next 10 minutes we are going to host the family spokesperson Honorable Makebezulu. He's going to come live at 21 hours and he'll give us a brief of the latest he has traveled to South Africa this afternoon and you'll be giving us an update at 21 hours. So for all those that are waiting for any formal update, please share the broadcast and tell your colleagues for the media. Please just hold on at 21 hours. We are going to host Honorable Makebizulu. You'll come by phone or by link. I'll try to quickly establish a link for him so that we can see him and he can give us an update at 21 hours. So at 21 hours, family spokesperson Makebizulu will join us. Let's go back to the calls and we see which cause we can uh we can pick now. You can come meanwhile as I'm trying to set this up and uh so my kid is always coming at 21 hours, he has arrived in South Africa, and we want to get an update from him in his capacity as family spokesperson. In his capacity as family spokesperson. So let me just begin to that setup. Thank you very much. I'm trying to create a link. Maybe what will be appropriate is is is first. We we have um Honorable Makebizulu at on top of the hour is going to brief us what is happening in South Africa. We don't know where the body is as at close of the day at 17 hours. The Zambian government, the Zambian embassy who picked the body yesterday, accompanied by the South African police, have not surrendered the body despite a high court order. The high court order was very explicit and very clear. Surrender the body where you took it from. Number two, if there is any issue with the body where it was, allow the family to give you an appointed uh uh funeral parlour in which you should take the body, but surrender the body for the last 24 hours. The Zambian government have not surrendered that body. And um family spokesperson Makebizulu has just traveled South Africa this afternoon. He has arrived safely, and I just had to interrupt the broadcast because I've been trying to get him. He will be giving us an update on top of the hour. So hold on, uh, share the broadcast for the media, uh, the spokesperson for the family for the Edgar Lung will be giving an update just live here at 21 hours. So let's just hang on. And for the callers, I think let's have the calls after Honorable Makebizulu has given us his uh brief of what he has found in South Africa and any latest development. You are aware that yesterday uh embassy officials from the Zambian government in Pretoria, officials from Lusaka, accompanied by South African police, stand up at two mountains funeral palace. They surrounded the place, they treated it like it's a place of crime and forcibly took that body. We don't know where they've taken it to death. All we are aware is that they are claiming, as you saw from the statement by the Attorney General, that they were now relying on the August 2025 judgment that gave the authority to government to pick, repatriate the body, and bury it. It even had conditions in which they could pick the body, that it had to have a family member present, and it explicitly uh mentioned the ADC, that loyal man Bachanda. The court order mentions it, but government ignored all that process and they just went in like robbers, stole the body, and we don't know where it is. Uh uh, this has now taken us in the realm of speculation. They had attempted to do and engineer propaganda that the body is missing, that the body has been uh you know is missing. Yet it was the government that took it. And we're glad that the attorney general quickly came and confessed that they had taken the body and had taken it according to them to a government facility. We don't even know if that is true. And they are using the police in uh in a corrupt manner. That that entire police is under investigation. There's even a commission of inquiry because the manner in which they've used that sergeant trying to do an inquest, trying to do, you know, he claims that uh he's relying on two statements that were issued by uh Rafael Nakachinga and Brian Mundu that the late president could have been poisoned. And he has taken that, he has not verified those facts and he started a process in the magistrate court in Randberg. And he wanted the body, he wanted DNA, you wanted everything to pick the body and conduct a post-mortem on whose interest? On whose interest? Who allows postmortem? Isn't it the family? Who allows this, who allows a corona inquest? It's a family. How can a so-called NGO and this police officer conduct this process that they wanted? That process failed. Now they are saying the matter in the court of app in the Supreme Court of Appeal has lapsed. And now they are saying that that's a reason they're now relying on a judgment. Yeah, I'm 2025 to pick the body and repatriate it to Zambia. We don't know where the body is. Um Makebizulu might answer this evening at 21 hours, two minutes before. Let me just go back and try to connect him online and uh let's see how it goes. He comes at 21 hours.

SPEAKER_18 58:29

So I only lamented that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying no, we want to protect you. No meaning of the president. I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I don't complain at all. I think you're like, that's what I'm saying. So I really did that. Why should you be on this thing? I don't push me anything. We want to protect you. I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I would complain at all. I think you shouldn't have everything like that. That's what I'm saying, even now. So I really think that why should you be shooting me of this thing? I'm not pushing me and saying no, we want to protect you. No. Uh meaning of the president to be to be going without the this one. I I I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I'm not complaining at all.

SPEAKER_44 1:00:57

Thank you very much. You'll be joined shortly by Honorable Makebizulu, the family spokesperson. He has an urgent update for us. Remember as close of the day, we don't know where the body of the late president was. The attorney general stated that the body was in their custody, that they had picked it up, and we're relying on a court order from 2025, court judgment from 2025, and they said they accused the family that the the case has um lapsed, and uh uh they therefore picked the body. They picked it without the consent of the family, without the presence of the family, even without respect to the same court judgment that they are relying on, which had spelled out the manner in which the body should be handled. And uh uh the family's lawyer rushed to court in the night. They obtained a very straightforward interdict. Return the remains of the late president immediately and return it to two mountains where you got it from, or to a facility that the family will tell you. And none of that has happened as at close of business today. But Makebizolu says there's an urgent update and I'm just waiting for him. He's intimated that you come on top of the hour, which was uh 21 hours your Zambian time. Um just an update of what has been going on. So there has been a process, although many people haven't reported about it, including the media. There's a process where there was a complaint from that NGO. The NGO that, you know, he was uh collaborating with uh Robert Chavinga, that NGO that has been making protest alleged that the late president was poisoned, and they went to a police station and that process began where this man wanted to conduct an inquest on behalf of that NGO. They wanted to conduct um a post mortem, they wanted to conduct a veracity the the verification of the remains of the late president. That process failed in the Runback magistrate court because uh the judge, the magistrate stated that he was aware that there were matters in the superior court. He was referring to the uh uh the matters that are in the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloomfontaine. Um you know, in South Africa, the executive is in Pretoria, the the the courts, the superior courts are in Bloomfontaine, the Supreme and uh Constitutional Court are in Bloomfontaine, and Parliament is in Cape Town. You know, they've they've the the separated the authorities like that. The three wings of government are totally separate, even in distance. The executive is in Pretoria, Parliament, the legislature is in Cape Town, and Bluefontaine occupies superior courts, the court of appeal and the constitutional court. So there's been a matter in the constitutional court and in the Supreme Court of Appeal. And that Supreme Court of Appeal, the Attorney General claims that that matter lapsed. It did not lapse. Let me just check if uh my guest is in so that we can quickly go to the update. No, he's not in. Please keep on just waiting. Uh let me let me call him and find out. He had said on top of the hour he will come and uh uh address you. Makebizulu, in his capacity as family spokesperson, will be addressing you shortly. Let me just look for him just now and so he can come online.

SPEAKER_30 1:04:42

We want to set a precedent. Let them give us reasons why the current president should not go near the casket. And who has told them that he wants to be near the casket anyway? Who has told them that he wants to be near the casket? But who has told them that he wants to see the body?

SPEAKER_43 1:05:17

Why these speculations? Maybe it's because you're arguing that really this must happen. Maybe that's why. It's assumptions.

SPEAKER_30 1:05:24

The court was asking them.

SPEAKER_43 1:05:26

Presiding. The court was asking. Yeah, lawyer couldn't explain. Presiding.

SPEAKER_30 1:05:35

You yourselves, in your written notes, you are saying Ish of Arich Bagar should preside. So why are you now saying the president will preside? You yourselves. So what is presiding? They couldn't explain what's presiding.

SPEAKER_15 1:06:01

I would have been the nine hours. This for day hours. I will play one. I wouldn't know the nine hours. I will play one.

SPEAKER_44 1:06:28

Wonderful. I think our vulnerable makebizulu. Honorable macabezul, let me just test your volume. Good evening, please. Uh uh, good evening, and thank you for creating time to come here.

SPEAKER_20 1:06:40

Good evening.

SPEAKER_44 1:06:42

I think the volume is okay. I'll just ask if you can put the phone in landscape. Let's just retreat to the studio, then I'll come back. Yes, I think this will work. This will work. Uh that's better. Um, Honorable Makebizulu, good evening. You traveled to South Africa um this afternoon, and the country is worried. Uh, we don't know where the body of the late president is. From the family side, we've heard the explanation from the attorney general. Please uh just give the country an update.

SPEAKER_46 1:07:38

Thank you very much, Ambassador. I'm sorry, I'm fidgeting a little bit here because I need to just study myself. Yes. Uh, as I'm talking to you, we are currently at uh the forensic pathology services. That is the place where the body was brought. We are currently waiting for the release of the body. There has been a bit of some difficulties in getting the body released, and uh finally we are getting the body released. You may be aware that uh they did approach the monk and picked the body from the monk, um purportedly executing the August 25th 2025 judgment. Apparently, the moment the body was gotten from uh two mountains, it was brought to this place. It's called um uh pathology service, uh, pathology forensic pathology service. That's that's what the place is called. Then uh you also do recall that I did address uh the Zambia's yesterday and everybody else, but we had gotten an order from court demanding the immediate release and return uh to the mob where it was picked up from, or indeed any other place where the family would designate, and that uh they should show cause as to why they should not be cited for content, is what the order said, and that was gotten between 22 and 23 hours yesterday. Uh, we got here this afternoon, and uh we were alerted in Zambia that the body was here at the forensic pathology services. It is a state uh department that does forensic uh examination and uh pathology examination as it were. Um we got here and we found that in the morning, despite being aware that there was a court order for the immediate release, the the body was subjected to a post mortem. Now, the chronology of events that we have found here is that at 1830 yesterday, the body was brought in this place. It was brought uh according to the occurrence book by a diplomat from the Zangian Embassy as well as the police. Those are the ones that are indicated in the book. Then there is a docket, uh post-mortem docket, that's that is carried, uh, that is signed in. It was signed in by a sergeant, and in that docket, they report that uh President NK Chagolongo died of alleged poisoning, and this was reported by a family member, which fact everybody knows is not true because we've addressed this fact before. We've talked about uh this before. You also we also noted that whereas in the occurrence if it says the person that was brought here is unknown, in the post-mortem docket it says uh president page. We were given an opportunity to see the voting and indeed the access the voting and um away from the court order, because the court order that they said they were executing is that of the 25th of April, which only relates to rich, it has got nothing to do with any post mortem. There's no order from any court in South Africa uh permitting a post mortem to be conducted on the border, despite there being an inquest, an inquest which may eventually result into that is the fact that there's any doubt as to the cause of death, uh, the court ordering that there should be a post mortem. In this regard, that has been uh short-circuited by the government of the Republic of Zambia, keeps stating that this matter was commenced by the government of the Republic of Zambia based on a forced, uh false uh article that was written and paid for by the government of the Republic of Zambia, the basis of the investigation, alleging that one of the family members, whom they do not name, had in fact reported that there was uh poisoning that is not reported from any family member, and uh that is a fabrication and the basis on which all this has been done.

SPEAKER_44 1:12:16

We have also come to Makabizulu, just two issues. The forensic pathologies services where they brought this is it the one at the University of Pretoria?

SPEAKER_46 1:12:28

Yes, this one is in Pretoria, yes.

SPEAKER_44 1:12:30

Yeah, yeah. Um has a postmortem been conducted on the late president?

SPEAKER_46 1:12:38

Yes, it was conducted, it began at 8:30 today and only ended at about 14 hours. That is despite them being aware that the court has had issued the uh that order demanding for an immediate return of the body to uh Full Mountains or any other mortuary that uh the family have decided. So we've been here all this while, and it's only just about now, after uh insistence and persistence, that we will be getting the body and taking it to uh a designated mortuary. And this, of course, is after the body is you know this is very shocking.

SPEAKER_44 1:13:22

So the Zambian government has conducted a postmortem on the late president without the authority of the family, without the consent of the family.

SPEAKER_46 1:13:33

There was no consent from the family, there was no family member who identified the body, there was no family member who was present during the postmortem, there was no family member who was aware as to where exactly the body was. So all this stuff has been done without the involvement of the family at any stage, from the point of picking up the body to the point of uh repatriation, uh repatriation of the body from the from Two Mountains to this place called. Oh my. So we are out here awaiting the repatriation of the body to uh much of your thoughts.

SPEAKER_44 1:14:18

What is the state of the body?

SPEAKER_46 1:14:20

Oh my well, like I said, a postmodern has been conducted, meaning that the body has been dissected and opened, and uh been done or whatever they had to do with the body, and uh yes, we will be picking it up in that state. The order was for the return of the body, certainly the state that it was in.

SPEAKER_44 1:14:49

What are your last words? Would I know you still have to you are still working and you have to find where to take the remains of the late president?

SPEAKER_46 1:14:58

Well, we have already found, and uh, we're just waiting. We're signing at Davis for the release, and now less starting the condition in which we have found the book, and uh we'll be checking it uh also and securing it.

SPEAKER_44 1:15:14

Thank you very much. Thank you, Honorable Makebizolo. Thank you. We want to a quali sa I am numb, I don't know what to say. So the Zambian government picked this body yesterday, and despite a court order last night, they proceeded to conduct a postmortem on the late president without the consent of the family, without the presence of the family, without the knowledge of the family. These facts have just emerged from Makebi Zulu, who's a family spokesperson, who since arrival has been hunting for the for the for the body. The body he has found it at the forensic pathological services, which is in Pretoria. This, you know, it it provides investigation and autopsies and provides expert uh uh testimony. Um so the government have defied everything. They picked a body purporting they wanted the body to come to Zambia. Has any of you attended the postmortem? Show in the comment if you have attended the comment. Show or explain what is done when a postmortem is done. Here is Muriloka Besha acting on behalf of the Zambian government. Picks a body. Okay? The order is relying on didn't give him authority to dissect, divide. It gave him authority to bury the president in in dignity. It didn't give him the opportunity to dissect Waamuk Chekaolo Mubidi Wawene. This totally. This is, I don't know, I don't know to what level and depravity we are going to sink in. How do you conduct a postmodern midi wavene? Without the authority of the family, without the presence of the family, or even his lawyers. You dissect it all. They found they found the body, but it is in that state. It was it has undergone from what uh the records show from 8 30 to from 8 30 to 13 13 hours. That is a period that the postmortem was conducted. Um thank you very much. Uh I can see is let me just speak to Honorable Makebizulu. Does he want to give further updates? I can see he's on the line. Honorable Makebizulu, is there any further update? Oh, okay. I guess he's just watching. Oh, yes. Is there any further update?

SPEAKER_46 1:18:13

As soon as there is some further update, I'll let you know. We're just waiting for we'll be signing the affidavits to have a forget the body, then we will proceed to take on us with the maturity.

SPEAKER_44 1:18:28

Thank you. I wish you good strength. I wish the family good strength in this very difficult circumstances. Ladies and gentlemen, the lines are open. You've got all the facts. So we've identified where the body is. The body is at the forensic pathologic services. The Zambian government picked the body and have subjected it to a postmortem. The postmortem started at 8:30 and ended at 13 hours. This postmortem has been done without the consent or authority of the family and without any legal basis. The process they are trying to use, the so-called judgment for 25th April, as you've heard from from uh uh uh uh Makebizulu says it it didn't grant the Zambian authorities to conduct a postmortem. If you bali each to our government for me, I'm just totally shocked.

unknown 1:19:20

Hello?

SPEAKER_44 1:19:21

The lines are open. Uh tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_37 1:20:28

Is it what we want? Is it what we want? Because I'm sending up my battle.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:05

Uh good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_44 1:22:08

Hello, good evening.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:14

Ambassador, I'm so shocked, I'm shivering. I can't believe that this is how far we can go as a country. Really, H has the audacity to force himself without the presence of the family to go ahead and do a post mortem. I would not be surprised after this if we hear H saying bring the body and respect the wishes of the deceased because he has done what he wanted. Because if we really if the the the government of Zambia really, really meant well with what they've done, the family could have been involved from the way go. The fact that they decided to do this secretly just exposes them. The fact that they've gone ahead to do this post-mortem and goodness. The court order just exposes them. What H needs to understand is that the family, before he talks of President Edgar Lungu being uh being a statesman or something, President Lungo comes from a family. There's no way he could go ahead to do a post. The family needs to be there. Because I think whatever you wanted from the lungo from from the body of the lungo of the former head of state has been gotten already. Because he has achieved whatever he wanted to do. And can he please let the family? Can he let the family bury? But there's one thing sakumuro. Whatever he wants to do with whatever he has taken from there. Family no Samuel. Why did you say what me? What is it that you really want from that body that you want to go to such extremes? Why, Mr. President? Why? You are really a disgrace to the presidency. You are not only an evil man, but you are a bad man. You are a bad man. This man will not talk about this. If we are not extra careful, there will be no Zambia to talk about tomorrow. Zambians, let's wake up, let's open our eyes. If somebody can go in a foreign land to go and carry a postmodem against the wishes of the family, if HH can go to those extremes, what else can he do? If he can do that in a foreign land, what more in Zambia? What else can he do? Zambians let's wake up. H is not up to anything good. He's not up to anything good, and he's not a leader who should continue come 13th August. This man has to go. You can't do this to the Lungu family. This is too much, Mamwamba. I can't stand this. I can't.

SPEAKER_44 1:27:35

Family, this is very difficult for all of us. It's extremely difficult. Here it is, without authority of the law, without authority of any matter. And there was a court order to surrender the body from last night, saved on Rilo Kabesha. They proceeded today. They took the body to forensic pathologist services in Pretoria, and for over five, six hours, they conducted a postmortem. Mondelect president without the presence of the family, without the presence of the lawyers. Alocola, tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_20 1:28:26

This is not about EF, this is not about UPNG, this is not about the socialist party, it's about Ubuntu. What has happened today? Let's ask ourselves is it normal? Let's put politics aside, Bamwamba. Because Zambians, you are consumed about saying no politics, politics. Let's put politics aside just for a moment. What has happened? Is it normal to Bamwamba? We have a country. Yes, we can have our differences, but we are still human beings created in the image of God. You and me can have personal differences, but I can never do what has happened to our former president. But honestly, Zambians, the answer lies towards us because, like Ketiwa said, if we don't stop what is happening, my Lotagmaka Sangi country. I I submit.

SPEAKER_44 1:29:44

Thank you very much. That's a matter we are dealing with. Yes, they stole the body yesterday. A court order was obtained, they've ignored the court order, they didn't surrender the body, and the body has been found, but it's been a four-hour postmortem that was done on the body without the consent of the widow, without the consent of the family. And it was done just in the presence of an embassy official. They're the ones that have gone on record and a police officer. Alocola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Yes, Brian.

SPEAKER_31 1:30:26

And um this development is extremely difficult to just really process. Very difficult. Um let me just go to the points I would like to share. Nighlight, you know, I have attended a postmortem before, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_44 1:30:46

Uh the doctor would warn you that you have to be strong because describe what happens at the postmortem since you have attended.

SPEAKER_31 1:30:58

At the postmortem, I was a family member. And I had to first identify the body. They asked me, is this the one? I said, Yes, he is. There was a tag there with his name. They moved him from the fridge, they put him in the little room where the doctor operates, and so on and so forth. They asked me to wait outside. They prepared the body, then they brought me in and said, This is what's going to happen. You have to be strong, and so on and so forth. I elected to wait outside because the person the postmortum was being conducted on was very close to me. So I elected to stand outside. When the doctor was done, he took photos with his phone. And he came outside and he was showing me the photos. The body was cut up. It was cut up. The head was opened. The stomach, the chest, everything was open. And it's not a pretty sight. It is you can't even pretend to be strong. You can't pretend to be strong. Uh it's it's it's it's it's not something that you can do. Any even a doctor can't even start doing it. Because even for the doctor, it is not a job. So it's that is why a family member has to accept and sign. We have to sign. You have to sign that you have accepted for them to do this. And uh there's police there as well. The police officers there, waiting until the small thing is done, and the report is done. Okay? So it is not something that is light. And I know, and I'm I'm I'm ashamed of some of our countrymen who will start making fun of this and joke about this. Let me say this, and it might sound too strong. Maybe when you are the close member of your family, go through that. Maybe that day you will understand what the family, the Lungu family, is going through. So, for those of you who are thinking this is life and you can joke and make it a political joke, I pray that God allows you to have that experience so that you can change. Because it is not something to even joke about. It is not, it should harm on everyone. You cannot have that decision made by Umuntu Yahweh. It has to be a family member. Let me go to the next thing I think that I wanted to say, Ambassador. I really think President Haga Inde H Lema and uh Atoni Geno Kavisha have abused their powers. They have abused their powers. I think those who are who study law, those who read the law in advisors, because I really think this is grounds for, if not for impeachment, at least for a moral resignation. But you will see that those people, those men have no morals. They will go about their lives as if they have not come committed an evil against this nation and against the Lungu family, and definitely against all of Africa. The thing, the design that they have done to that audit is against all of us on this continent. And it should sit in their hearts that we disown it as much as we disown them, because that's not Africa. That is wrong. I would call upon President Ana Init Lima to resign on moral grounds, but they shall resign on moral grounds, they have to, and all those people have been involved in this process to resign in shame with their heads bowing down, and I think that is that is where this issue should take us, you know, because this is bordering on witchcraft, it is bordering on abuse of authority, abuse of power. Finally, this is a personal statement I have to make and say maybe God should. If God loves other ends, we cannot make God hate a man that he loves, definitely love. But imposing upon us a man like this, who literally has to do these things in this nation is not acceptable by any standard. If there's a major difference with Balungo, how about he goes and follows him in the afterlife? This is wrong. An apology must be made. We need to see people resigning, we need to see people being fired and so on and so forth, because that is the order that should fall after something like this. But we'll watch and see. Because Zambians must know that whatever they put in state house has no morals. And at some point, when some of us say this is a Satanist, that is a Satanist, they called us names. Now there's evidence. They are cutting up people's bodies to take if Shimba. There's no other explanation. M E N D Ambassador.

SPEAKER_44 1:36:22

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, for those joining us, Honorable Makebizulu, family spokesperson, uh, have just found the body this evening. They found it after a thorough search and connections, and they found that the body was taken to forensic pathologist center in Pretoria, and they found out that despite the court order being saved on the police, on government, and on all authorities, Murilo Kabesha, the Attorney General of Zambia, proceeded to authorize. There was a Zambian official, embassy official, who signed that the post mortem should be done on the late president. There was no family member, there was no lawyer, there was no consent, there's no authority that has come from the family to conduct that postmortem. And the legal basis for the postmortem does not exist. As you saw in the statement by Milo Kabesha himself, he says he had gotten the body and they were bringing the body for repatriation. He took it to go and have the body cut up. And for five hours they were cutting up that body, according to the records, at Forensic Pathology Center in Pretoria. Makebizolu this evening is they are now frantically uh trying to prepare the body and they are taking it elsewhere. Um, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Good evening.

SPEAKER_25 1:37:48

Uh it's a very sorrowful day for the nation. And I, for one, I'm so sad, I'm so broken, I'm emotional. Uh I'll take you back as a nation. Ambassador, from the time that uh this man took over office, we have witnessed a lot of uh accidents in the country. A lot of accidents. A number of them you can go back and count and count and count. But uh those who practice satanism and witchcraft, they will tell you that once you sacrifice the pantash, you to call zones to call the uncle, you call the other person. Now, those other accusations that is the one that has killed the social media they came, they they condemned BCAO that he they mocked, that he was walking, or seeing Zimbabwe walking, or seen somewhere doing the BCD in the pain, never and people must thought that that he anarchists. Now, when they knew very well that this man is dying, is that away from all those uh uh abuse, how they abused him, they treated him as if he was not a former head of state. It all would be what they could they reach the point where now they go and go and do a postmotal on the body that does not belong to them. I have attended a number of postmortum, and that exercise is not a good exercise. You have to be somebody who witness that exercise, even those that want to stand, they have committed a crime. A crime that has a jail. This is enough that God is exposing this man. Remember, I said all these accidents which have been happening in the country. Now, before elections, something is calling on him. Go and get, go and get it, and this is what he has done. If there was a way that we could have rejected this, we could have rejected it. But don't forget, whatever he's doing that shall be done on him. There's no two ways about it. These cries of people, they're not crying to a deaf, to a dead God, they're not crying to a deaf God. They are crying to a God. I like what you said that yesterday that this performed on God's principles. And all these former presidents have been have been relying on God. And this God that we have been relying upon shall come to redeem this nation. And those that have committed those crimes, this is a crime against the family. Even Nangwali Pomukima, you have managed to get because Malungwa family has been paying bills even when the family is supposed to be healing. From 5th of June last year, the man has been lying in a morgue who is paying, just like we have mentioned, who's paying all these excess the bills. But even then, me at one point in my conclusion, I death who recognize the nation. In my view, because I've seen the funerals of the families that we go and because how we put the differences aside, and when I saw when I heard that this thing has happened, I said, okay, even when in my mourning, I said, okay, we are going to reconcile the nation. But therefore, we saw things going taken to another level. We saw the children being grabbed and all those things, even without following a proper procedure. This is how much he's determined wanting to see Barungu in his grave as a poor person. But this won't go to nothing.

SPEAKER_44 1:42:03

Thank you, Cola. Let's allow, there are so many people that want to speak. Oh, my phones are buzzing. Let's allow as many people as possible. Um something has happened in the last two days that you and I never imagined could happen. They stole the body of the late president. They used bogus legal processes. They took the body. This was clearly well planned. They took it to forensic pathologists, they didn't take it to a funeral pala. Murilo Kabesha was lying to the entire nation and to the world, saying they've taken the body, they've put it at a facility and they're repatriating it according to the orders of the court. Did the order of the court give them authority to conduct postmortem? So they pick the body forcibly, they take it to a place, and this morning they conducted the postmortem for over five hours from 8:30 to 13 hours. No presence of a family member, no presence of the lawyer, just an embassy official who's not related to the late president and the police officer, and of course the officers from Zambia. They conducted this postmortem. They found the body's been abandoned now at this pathology center. It's all cut up, and you know, it went through a postmortem. People that have seen the postmortem can tell you the uh Makebizulu, God bless him, is picking that body in that state. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from Ambassador.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:32

Good evening. Anonymous.

SPEAKER_44 1:43:34

Anonymous, please make your contributions.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:38

I'll be very quick and to the point, and uh, I hope even if you are followed, uh I'm sure everyone is hurt at this point. What I want to say, yes, Makebi uh can pick up the body, but I would suggest I for one that let them give HH this body. If he wants to eat it, let it eat it. Let's forget about taking the body of the late president. They have done what they wanted to do, and we have all witnessed it. My plea to the Zambian people, those who have known the names of those people who have been at the uh the pathologist, let us follow those people one by one. We get the truth to what has happened. Some of us are actually close to where this pathologist is, who start searching for these names. And I wish that every Zambian should now know who is ruling them. This guy is a Satanist. This guy is a full Satan. And we need to put to an end to this term Augustine. And I know we are not going to use the ballot to remove this guy. We are not going to use the ballot because he has vowed that no one should remove him from there. This is why he has gone to this extreme of doing such, and I don't even know how I can describe this act that he has done. It's inhuman.

SPEAKER_44 1:45:10

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_32 1:45:12

This is more than what I D Amin can did to his people.

SPEAKER_44 1:45:17

Thank you. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_33 1:45:56

It is better, Mr. Hema finish what he has started from the beginning. This is very, very important. Unless you, Mama Kebi and the family of Maedica, you want to do something real those so that the person who has collected the private parts of Maedica needed to do a revenge. Because I mean, what is the point of getting the body? How are you gonna because all the body of Mahedica has been already it's it's in it's in pieces at the end of the day, and the reason why they didn't surrender this body on this early in the morning because they already collected some part of the body of my edica. So could start cutting out pieces, it's just a cover, it's another cover. You waited for this moment, you are using the roads, you are using the airport, you are using the hospital, you are even using some process that Maedika literally did. Everything, any person who goes to Zambia, they cannot recognize what Maedika did. Where Baedika comes from, the the the chief is has endorsed HH. So, I mean, what is the point? What is why are you making noise on social media today? Why are you pretending even to cry? Because you have not really exposed that you are paying you are in pain. How can you be busy? How can other countries come and to help you if you have not joined? If the state have never seen someone to go and protest, all the churches they have not protested. Where Mahedica comes from, the chief is sleeping, eating the church. He has saying sort of good every day. So I mean for one change Maedica to die in pieces like this, and you are completely pissed. When I say cast, whether the photo, whatever, as long as you are whether you are broad or not, it's nothing is gonna happen. There's nothing that will be really good for you guys. You are you are gonna pay for these pieces of the body of my edict. I have spoken.

SPEAKER_44 1:48:40

Thank you. We've got another caller here. Um, someone was saying, yeah, after after looking at the timeline, someone was saying, can you imagine? Yeah, just a minute, caller, can you imagine that the same time that the police and the Zambian authorities were raiding the mochari to pick the body, the moog, President Akainde Hilema was receiving Ghana and evangelist Doug Howard Mills, and they were talking about God. At the same time, he was fully aware that they were grabbing the body of the late president. Aroula, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_24 1:49:19

Hello, good evening, Ambassador Mwanda. Never Kaputakuno. Awe mwebantwa zambe pepe nbue ke shapu iweri de abendiba kaindi. Avende okunin deke milundu lesa avensha ewa representativi wwa kaveshabany ndeki ya ndu mtend. Ya la ima ima nindom ted. Mwzumi tasila lungalum le pepila kobala lungus fambi mwebantu. Leke nibakwa tjom tmu akti la wule nyumubidi uuchipuire mu. Bantu na gwao send definawse twa shikonpalakwa tata nyapa. Nifo fine pantu raka biro kishwa padiuluputa. No mbapa fishe ying kondo. Weven a zambia na mi wese shakokunuma remember u kanga lume, wwa kainde, uwaku tmacha vinga, ku South Africa, alei pocha ati ba jajaj kulia, ba chta bribu mobish miele. La yelu ba inisa korruption muchalumkatim South Afrika, ta pushwefa South African government diri landa, batikula kum Kusha ni ubasu nglungu wwa lungu, bayafka ba isulam pakaba pelomu medi. E ku kumbi na kubatuwa tali losha na pama kota orders na kobavatwa. Na woma korruption ni afka poyafika. Inga efion pia winga wombefi, mwebantu wa kwa lesa, te ulululu pia mwakabiro ku kwata, wok mle tiksha abantu abe kala chalu, na nkun kan shia bo shonse. Aoi. Ichichintu wakainde bachita, imbue kesha poyao, but ninoli ni mwambbio klori kesha petwina na elections napalotulanda. Mumone, echala mbokitika, aku pepe ni covering the blood of Jesus Pamaya and raba na nawishku, na kumirimu, na public transport chionzi na mufi kuba fionse. Bantu no mbabale sondure la ba ishwa sataniz mwinu. Lungbu adiny antenchi andi shion se shing kuzambia. So idewa suswina ku expandi siambi waku ba ma demonic declarations ati kanoko ta ide mwine wamuju. Eko taba tusumine. These things ktumaeva tfia ufi. Avena na Nigerio bloshtaba bufisa, baandef shinka bandeviri. Baha tainde pa youtube twa eva tambale woundisha akabwa twa kano no, naba be kamo na iftenge fia pfu at him watu wwanuena. That's a tanki act. Nggolechi positive, ni godly act, but walibuncha PFu u spiritual realm. So, ekofiasko kuile lom. Ngkam la pepa mwena kristupano. Na tuam pane kuibama actsen siya ku dia wantu. Noko baka nda di chilo ya mkushika ba lungu. I would suggest if as an individual, don't go there. Don't go there, pantichu bakalu ku shako, chakuti mka funkane, kuka wetba punko muntu, baipayomuntu, bachina wantu, abantubafu. Whenika ve sevalya. Nava babuveni bosbaya. Ba diplomata wuba ide mini na ko na totela ba basa na totela bambi wantu ba lande cuna totel sala.

SPEAKER_44 1:53:31

Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_26 1:53:36

Uhum.

SPEAKER_47 1:53:39

Ah, pushasana. Number shore n shakuba kumfu. Nakutiva kuanisha send the body, bach the post mortem wafunya no kufunyefare funya. I'm sure kurata couldn't bach the post modem, quite kurefu wafum shame. What more Euba edi garungu vali was piturovare unda ku. Chiripiro kwebati, name fueva edgarunga, wwa wukwa edi shabu. Malasangu kwebati neva bach wyama pawa zya kwebati vasenda baya kuchituware kovarefuwa. Ne eruba edigarungu vareruwa. I'm sua. Kuriabanto vared jiri nanaven kuwa ti valo fife ba edigarungu kozi ba edigarungu vadin fred kuriven. So malasangati. Apatwa lambukla tungu. Mono kwebati nfuwa edigarungu. U mundu afira pitire nevari kusafiko kebati mpiniki nifio mundu halfwe. Wamun. Umba chinaj popsha webati kunumu twa ledi shania to airlanda twarem patim bampata pero barelanda tmu satanisti, shani shani bare randa, nena lekana tibampata, numba peronashin shebati m satanist. Ero no muntu wakuwa kunajero, tetin dumbu sanguma. Ale celebrate wapenya nite before stand. Aliandu kwebati na to sendakale moviri. Movirina mutawishile kuyefu to alafunya. So palefuba funishemo, ifuba sungiri, aze nava shwana na fiala vapon na fiala cham shan. Chefe kuliz. That's why mwambana bakumfu Fanare monokuebati, efonarefu a erana leader, presidenti, awa femakebizu, kwazu makebizu na chulasanana naba edigarung. Ufumeru variawo mi, alibare chuchu dikari naba edigarung. Na mufitu mbi a refu noktu shomwa naveni Aisa knoksak u kuzambia ti amone monefema politics, fajji tikaburana ni na nayakui. Eule mfuapeni pamona family aba edigarungu. That's why ngana li winoba position vonse nefon nga chemu mwa tungi zafe inemakebizu so that ia penny twaare mfapali ba edigarungu. Aisa kwatu ku uguisa bafu rik shaba wan findu ba ech tfwa menang panu. Umwali imagin president afumam charo, akunka febbodia ba edigarunku send up privaty. Diven na mwimoto kaba mwamba, mwa likwa tanawa kumfu, akwata moto kata tuwali deba engineo webatu boti weta ulib. Fast womu inuamoto ka lam making ashua de ywa le sura boti, uwe pomone wishemuli bo tu mba kakakula kutu mona mbuyo, mumba sendre private. Baya le pula lepuro, mwili katishinga nindushaba se nele nga mavu, na de fishinava ishwaze. Jon sefu fishimba. So mweve gala chalo, mwaimwena, mway umfida, yasintuware andukwa twa re tunggawa satanist nulumun. Numba pfia yanga favu tatatu. Na mone kela de erode so mwine. Ewwa lamukanda, sendri katanefuweve galachalo fwevena zambia, umanweva jamakalakwarez. Each um satanist. Satana vali mwbe. Na satanisti m shama kara fumakwis. Twala mchim shanawiz. Ngwasen dendushana sendafinch. The kwazefu kukofiala mfishana mfim. Bamwamba, na mfu andasan epo na muna ba mwamba. Mwana muli ra mswa zway mwa sa vikila kofina kavu kweva timu moneka na muli ra mule moneka fena pamenzokovati bamwamba, i chichichin tu lero, cham fishapavi. Namakebi zuru inekuda na moneka fenawa inokeva na chmufishapavi chin twichi. The roke refere so mwine, ewish even to send the ka bafisende. Def ye had dandriva sister vakoi garum kwebati. Kabarefu a kofimu, bafisanga numa findu a lesan. The rund defukweba two jekovu kesapu. Ui nachika show. No moontu wakwe. Idefwa fun de rikaba tandra the vakalandu wim. Efebasen dekuria cause vati basendrefin to private, bafami tabarikwa fumisha mukat. Nangwafunakoveka stake a canon. Nanggufe a canon batsumakov. Nishava send defin. The road to a recara fere somuene. Naifotu alapokumonokweba t Augustin, the Gini ra is kumonokewa teture kwa namasatan is toakam atoteramu.

SPEAKER_44 1:57:54

Thank you very much. I'll call a please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_21 1:57:58

Yes, this is Bono Kunda calling from Kawe, Zambia.

SPEAKER_44 1:58:02

Yes, Bonwa.

SPEAKER_21 1:58:04

Mkoya Manu Mwa, Devo Kulanda Kofinaine, Pelia Shidi. Shue Mesa na Mushalochia Switch Azambia. Kaita Fia Talaj tikka pokokumanakale. Idi dia shhi, thealeta san umsewanya kairi no gulosh muchalo chesucha zambia. Lelo ifwe twa lacha fiance minu kwayhovale swomwene. Butich tiketa chwemga and shingobu tungulu shwingatutungulok toala kuntansi, lelova to fiva, no plech defin to gutulanga, fwebali kunu mechim to sutaturing lokutu chita, fwebai chwale sakunuma. Numba tula shipo, u shangashap tishangefi. But would be if we ba chamsangye, chikabangashani. Yellow to la shifosumino kwayovale swom win. Ninquates we no kute kova chihovale swomwin andgoenga send the patya msangoshani. Just patcha sendere, a la tanning o kuku pani komu wine kwa sendere, chochincha la muchusha, kavidechan tuala nanko kun to konsoko by brakunga tichirambuchalubembu, nimfua. Tule pe papakamishna kwa yesu Christu. Tonse of a still sendere kotafia kwa toku umba pantu ifwe toswina wish narakwa yesu. Zambia is a Christian nation. Natotera sana mumba.

SPEAKER_44 1:59:27

Alo cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_32 1:59:34

Uh but uh let me just uh known because uh I'm a youth in Zambia. I just want to say I am very disappointed, and this government is the greatest mistake that has ever happened to K. So imagine you have to what have they got to all I know is that there's always a fine number. What is somebody presenting the fund number when the fundamental? What was the the the law to do whatever they have done? It's a problem and this is a good thing that we this is what I know there are fools who are supporting because they are benefiting by social. But what what what precedes we say to ourselves as some of the questions that we need to be asking? It's not about the UPNG, it's about Zambia. Imagine treating the whole common head of state like an army without anyone who someone they pick from the street and then they go and do a postmortem. Country men and women, where is our morals as a country? What kind of a country are we become? Even an ordinary an ordinary an ordinary citizen, no one allows us a postmortem to be done on him or without a family members. What more a whole former head of television? What kind of a country are we become? I'm young, I'm head of uh all I can say is that whosoever was involved in this case and this that they've planted sooner or later they were made. Thank you so very much.

SPEAKER_44 2:01:41

Thank you, young man. Your line was bad, but I think we got a gist of your comment. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_23 2:01:51

This is Precious Yenonga Miaita from Livingstone.

SPEAKER_44 2:01:54

Precious, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_23 2:01:56

Yes, I just want to contribute uh on this issue of the body of ECL. This government, they are danger to the nation. And now I'm sure even those who are wise with wisdom, they've seen that indeed Waka and HMA, he don't mean well. And for him, he thinks like because he's the president, he can abuse the office of the president. He's using those instruments of powers to do whatever he wants. For him, it's not all about the people of Zambia, but it's all about himself. So, people of Zambia, please, we beg you in God's name. Let us all be united every time I tell you. Let us all be united and make sure that we keep.

SPEAKER_44 2:02:49

Thank you, precious. I think we got what you are saying.

SPEAKER_35 2:02:58

Good uh evening, umba.

SPEAKER_44 2:03:01

Good day.

SPEAKER_36 2:03:02

In uh yeah, I think I'll never even say my name because my contribution is those people who have done those things, the uh embassy they have to be reported. Even the police who were involved, they had they have to be reported. Then the body of ECL, since they have done what they wanted to do, let the body of ECL uh uh tell Ramakeb not to get the body of ECL, let Ramakebi give the body to Kavesha and the HHE so that Bakuidi Kishomudimo wago. Then what what they're supposed to do is to report everyone, those embassy, people were involved at the embassy. This is this is not something that it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a case, it's a criminal. So they have to report them, they have to go and explain themselves because we have never seen people can get bored ishidiago, ba yamku yide paula, ba mkuchito kwa the family kwa, anyone. So your body ba ba ba ba ba ba ma kebi na ba mama ba mama esta be poka body you ba pele ba e che ba y pushokwiya yana ba mtinta nava naba kabesha ba y pushokiya iamanda myawa ifona landa kova ba mwamba pantu chenechi chatu chat chatu na tu na nintalala la inipanu. Nintalala la kwa tifie ni dify mma shoziava mama esta shwefuwa mama esta balumwa. Tatuata lambo na ku kateka waifika tekeka wam pampamina, u shumfu a kuba ntu chumbu muncholo na mma kikubuko eva ech e chava diwa chumbu musholo. So mumidi, bape diwa kikishe, inch to ba tan ki de mfu awa isyo, do e shwoko ya fumine. Kwa tia fumina kudiwa ech echina kabisha.

SPEAKER_44 2:05:19

Thank you very much. Alo cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_30 2:05:26

Uh, this is this week or from Papa Pill.

SPEAKER_44 2:05:30

Hey, please make your contribution.

SPEAKER_39 2:05:40

If you watch the wall is young if you got to move, you are quite taba and a barrier tomorrow mwaomi.

SPEAKER_30 2:05:48

Wa kuya sanguapo. Pant postmortem ku law sangwapo blu. It's a museo baba changetina ma change by si yo. If a baby bale paula put postmortem kuwa kuli plakunatwa disangapum post mortem nana disangwapo. Bale pusha wala shipa tati kawana tishash po fiwa ku. Bamwamba baba nipawi ne ba isi. Bachba fulala, baliba fuchi then nobali wachita in bam. Papuala kwisekalamula ykanka mika. Alamula sende sha pakuvea. Iwamula sendes inangumari comesiaani Afa penal pakuvea. Tefu tofu idioko. Shua fokutu mamkonka la musi na mufwa. Mamula komen we anaka kauka. Nina no, shhua shua ni poisoni shapana do chipana fanafua. Tapana pushike. Auri keniva pushi kutawa is kom tango by estani Ama Tasina. It's that go ya you sand. If I do to cover yaw n shang. Well, come up with what yeah.

SPEAKER_32 2:07:37

Yeah, buddy, that's that would come to my children.

SPEAKER_30 2:07:56

Thank you, God. Go tell us.

SPEAKER_44 2:08:06

Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:10

Hello, Ramwamba.

SPEAKER_44 2:08:12

Yes, my dear sister.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:14

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, so um I'll keep it short.

SPEAKER_09 2:08:23

I just want to say this is a crime scene. The place where President Makebe is is a crime scene. He should not take the body from there. They should report this matter to South Africa police and Interpol. And the suspect is the people who signed for that mutilation and the Zambia police officers you who were there. Mama Estalungo, I know not Fina. You have been there for 10 months, but this is even a bigger challenge where I think to get justice for your husband, you have to give up that body. Because now mutilate body, they have decapacitated that body. The person who is remaining, everybody for send the wamakebisulu, is not Walungu. So I think let us use the law as much as we are praying. They are using the law, even manipulating the law. They have used the law and manipulated the law to decapacitate Walungu. That is what I have called. Let's get justice so that this thing never happens again. If we take that body and go quietly, there will be more bodies will be decapacitated. If they can do this in a foreign land, imagine in Zambia what will be happening to all of us who are standing against him. So, Zambians, this let's put a stop to this. This is my opinion, I can say it. Thank you, Mamba said I can say bad things.

SPEAKER_44 2:10:34

Thank you. Alo colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_39 2:10:44

Yes, Mama T from within.

SPEAKER_44 2:10:46

Yes, Mama T.

SPEAKER_39 2:10:54

All over again. Because I want to wrong buying a pool in Lama Yolana is dana city laypata coming to Mulati Shani Mulati Shani to the Kerisia. I'm a bishop. What are you saying about this? Are you all going to be quiet? Just like you've been for the last four years. Honestly speaking, Mamma Banangui away away in Mamma T. And then you know that there are some things that we do. Israel was the president of this nation. He wasn't an ordinary man. Where people who just sneak in a mouth is body, it's good. But it was quite sure what you've done today. Without any relative, without even informing, okay, you are saying whatever you are doing, you are doing it for us as the citizens. You want to give each or dignified barrio because of us as the citizens.

SPEAKER_33 2:14:31

If us who are far away from Balungo at a distance, yes, he was closer to us because he was the father of the nation. But the pain that we are going through just by this news, what more, Bamaba Estalungo? What more, Tasila? What more Daliso, TSO, and the rest who are close to the family? What more, what pain are they going through? You know, I've been trying to find the best words to describe this process. I've come not to any term that I can use to describe the people who are involved in this whole process. For me, all I can say is this is evil. Inhuman. What have you done in this moment when everybody saying, why have you done this to a woman who is crying? You've been quiet. You've never said nothing in this whole process. The church is quiet. Traditional leaders are quiet. They are quiet. We have NGOs that stand for human rights, the human rights commissioner, despite being a government department, at least they should be able to stand with us. Yesterday somebody asked you Bamamamba, where is the internet? We said zero well. It's because they are with him. They don't care. But it's up to us Zambians to remarrate ourselves from this inhuman treatment that we've been subjected to by the President H. And I see a lot of UPND padders trying to support this nonsense, trying to say all sorts of evil things, and putting the name of Makebi, throwing mud on the name of Makebi is a shame on all of them. Those who have insulting Makeb. It's a shame to you who are insulting the family of Balungu. It's a shame to all those who are insulting Balungu. In his death, he going through that. People have said here no one can have a postmortum without a family member. Who allowed it? It is uncalled for, it is inhuman, it's evil. Let's respect ourselves. And then you Zambians, you go and start saying a lot of bad things. One of them is Chilchatayari. Should die here, Chinchatay, open your mouth because your mouth stinks like diarrhea. Should die here. I've already heard Lillian say a lot of things. She should shut her mouth. See a one who has said a lot of rubbish, let him shut the mouth. They've said a lot of things. All these people and everybody, I'm going to say this. Everybody who has put their stupid voices to support this nonsense. They are all cursed. Cursed are you, all of you. Because you want to shame a woman who is crying. You are all cursed. Your generation is cursed. Because you deserve to be cursed. These words they shall manifest in your lives. The pain the woman is going through is the pain you all go through by the ridicule that you've put that woman under, and the children, and the family. No ubuntu. And I see the opposition quiet. Like, hey, Maccabi, let it be on Mackey. Oh, no. Let's put politics aside. This can happen to each and every one of you. But you are all quiet. And I hear people going to Beveria Lord to go and put themselves there as family. You are all cursed. Shame on you. All of you.

SPEAKER_44 2:19:49

Thank you, my dear sister. Let's pick some more calls. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_30 2:19:57

Uh mumba, this is the um from Livingston. Um Zambians, first of all, and uh encourage them that uh the spirit of Edgarungo body white garungo, like what are uh on Makebizuru had mentioned when we were about to bury in South Africa, the body of Edgarungo shall not touch dust until the truth is known and reviewed. So uh you know, White Garungu uh is late right now, and the the border is lightless, but in spirit is still hovering around and trying to send a message to the Zambian people. What we retrieved the past few days, Bawamba, is a message that is coming from Dr. Edgar Chagwarungu that Zambians must know the kind of um the kind of leaders who are in charge of our country today, the kind of heart they have. If you feel they are trying to cover up something or they are trying to achieve something, but it is just bringing more and more shame on them. And I wouldn't imagine, I wouldn't imagine how a genuine UPND supporter is feeling today. I wouldn't imagine. If they are okay with it, I I don't know. But um this is also another message that Edgar Rungu is sending to the opposition to say time for fighting. This is time to unite because we send the body by force. Okay? Now uh it is demonstrating something to say if they can still send the body without permission. Burying bishop 4,000. Okay, body pisha B7. So I seven Zambia for the issue. One single individual cannot manage this battle. It's too big. But only if us Zambians buy payla without any pay, then the other thing about Mambande Fukulombako, looking at how things are moving right now, and looking at the uh what is unveiling, especially to our party president Donald Bumakebizuru, I would suggest that mumba to repa platform yes, we we amantu in their in the in their different provinces, they they they identify themselves. So that we start mobilizing. Whenever mobilize, we have to go to the microphone. Let us take it upon ourselves as Zambians to coordinate so that by the time we are getting to August, coordinate win wino. We need a lot of coordination. And by using your experience in public service and the directions, I think you can coordinate us very well so that we get down to the ground and start uprooting these routes that have that have uh terrorized the Zambian, the Zambian people. But the the last message I'm sending this message to the family, to Dr. Edgar Shagu. If you think to Mude Pitamota, we are as we as a country are behind you and we are including you in our prayers. Whatever it is, just put them in the hands of God, otherwise, you've been you've been through a lot. But there is a message that Dr. Edgar Chagwarung is trying to send to this country, Madazambia. You have to be proud of Dr. Edgar Chagwarung. He is a hero, he's a fighter, he brought development, and development I recovered Edgar Chagwarungu.

SPEAKER_44 2:25:08

Thank you very much. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_30 2:25:14

Good evening, Daniel from Capta.

SPEAKER_44 2:25:17

Daniel, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_30 2:25:20

Uh, these two days have been a sort of I don't know how to describe uh these two days, but I'm sure uh now you p and the various podcast. For the past two days you heard how many women ever since this podcast started, this is the time that women have caught in numbers. And those that went to collect the body Nava Shara Tamwa Kwata in the units, you should find another Zambia. We don't want another one to come up with such a heart. And the UPND Wajava supporter that Zambia is not a place. So they should find another country. But even in his death, in his weakest point, you fought him when he was alive. He gave you the seat that you wanted. He never he never struggled to give you, or he never held it. He went into retirement until you brought him back. See how they are going to what they are going to do with the body. And the people of Zambia, they are signs. Now we never UPND Ababadi supporter is done away with uh President Edgar Lungu's body. Number Kong, Zambia. And last, the people that were saying, oh, Eddie Galungu endorsed me, Eddalungu did this. I was the one who was found with him. Me, he said this. Where are you today? It's only Make Bizuru who's in South Africa today. Nangute family spokesperson or uh whatever position uh Makebizuru is doing, you could have been there to support to be with the family that you were saying Edgar Lungu supported me. Our heroes this time, is Honorable, who's on the podcast when he's supposed to be sleeping. It's JJ Banda who's always informing us of what is happening. It's Make Pizuru who's there with the family when it's happening.

SPEAKER_44 2:28:36

Thank you, my brother. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, my brother. Thank you. Thank you. Let's listen to this voice note Honorable Chimba's just sent me. I haven't um listened to it. I'm listening to it for the first time. Just a minute.

SPEAKER_27 2:30:06

It doesn't matter whether Ale follow up, or Tale follow up. It's an important chapter. One says and to be came to Pamo, Twa for Awa Lungu, Twafwean Savannah Zambia, Abu Chapumara Dila, and for Lung. It's when Basila should come to one. Particularly, I would not want this discussion on this blog, which is being called because for people to be negative towards Walonko towards Makabizu.

SPEAKER_44 2:31:22

Thank you very much. I've just received that broadcast from Honorable Chimba Kambu. You know, he's a senior member of our party, and uh he's a senior member in our country, he's uh former minister of labor, former minister of foreign affairs, and has been a presidential candidate both in the PF and previously under ABC. He has uh he says he's been trying to reach me. You know, there are so many calls. So then he has just sent the voice note that he has requested that I play. So let me just play it again because people wouldn't have known who has calling it's called about Shiba. Let me just play that um audio again.

SPEAKER_27 2:33:11

It doesn't matter whether Ale fuller or Tale Fulela Po. It's an important chapter one says to be careful, to follow Poloungo, Twafwezambia, Abuchumara Dila, if we have a lung. It's when Bastilla should come Tembua Muri No Aqua Wine Upwa. It's into Nachina. May President Edgar Lungu so rest in peace, and we should put him in our prayers. Particularly, I would not want this discussion on this blog, which is being called seeker supporters, for people to be negative. Toad makes every appeal and to a mumate. Thank you.

SPEAKER_44 2:34:26

Thank you, Honourable Shimbakamburi. Thank you for that voice message. He said you have been trying to reach me, and I'm glad that we played the voice note that he has distributed even to his supporters giving guidance. Allo caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Yes, yes, caller. Please tell us your name. Introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_26 2:35:09

And it's an honor to speak after him, after his first noise.

SPEAKER_44 2:35:19

Oh, the line is cut. Wha wa wa kafim because your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_38 2:38:23

Quantis can win the country, zenkup. Volumas, one can of zinc. Madame women crystal come up and gakes a common zinc to the chuta. Um family and summer, and the bank, the wind, but in the summing and I can channel chino, then a channel such a chitna, and some catsumbo number. Um be touch at you. Let's know what Mamba. Now Totene Bamba Mladen win.

SPEAKER_44 2:39:38

Thank you very much. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_28 2:39:44

Yes, am I through to the program?

SPEAKER_44 2:39:46

Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_28 2:39:48

Yes, this is Mr. Zulu Thomas from the Gen Z movement in Usaka.

SPEAKER_44 2:39:52

Mr. Azulu, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_28 2:39:55

Yes, yes, yes. I've cried a lot today. Uh I've tried to get this courage to talk to you through your program. You see, what has happened, Mr. Muamba? Even in the world that think this would be the first. Persecuted when he retired from politics, persecuted when you came back, and the worst of now persecuted in death. There is nowhere where you can conduct a post mortem using fake information on what you are trying to investigate to find out what you do. Everything was said on the death certificate. What else was this government trying to do? I can assure you, but the whole Zambia is quiet today. Getting to a young minibasi wuma bars everywhere. They were tuning in to programs that were actually running live this morning about the ECL. Is there is is the body being moved from two mountains, the postmodern which has been done without the presence of any family member. You see, and the mishandling of that body up to now. I think this UPN government has brought a case on themselves, they've decamped themselves, and through this program where we're ageing the Zambians to see what KK told us, who this age is. And these are the things that we are seeing for ourselves. We didn't listen when KK told us. Now we are seeing it. I'm age Zambians, opposition leaders, as Mr. Muamba's always been also calling. Let's unite, let's all of us drop our egos. Let's unite, let's shoot one candidate and remove these guys. Because if we allow this guy to go through, Zambia will be finished. And the more persecution will continue. Most of the people that are outside Zambia now won't come back. You see? Because most of them are targets. Maybe even for assassination, maybe for killing, for jailing, we don't know. And the brutality is now even extending to a dead person. No. As Zambians, I think in August, let's do the right thing and vote these guys out.

SPEAKER_44 2:42:09

Thank you.

SPEAKER_42 2:42:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_17 2:42:12

I've not come across a single man in politics. Apart from a baby. All those easy others. I can't see any of them.

SPEAKER_44 2:43:53

Waka Fumbi, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_26 2:44:18

And I was very happy to be speaking after my brother Bakambuidi. Bakambuidi, who is the very close to my young brother. And uh very close to the view, the order, the order and the live uh I'm going to say they're not part of you on this EMB. I don't want them to be brought to you or whatever. Because one uh research is going to be a president. What people don't realize is that they must have been to must have been I've never called the mouth, and I'm calling him out today. So if you follow it is not a bot, it is not a shame for him. He doesn't care. That is one fact that you know. We give him well, we give him, yeah. Let our young brother Makebizulu do the best that he's going to do. Let him do the best that he's going to do to rectify whatever they have done. I'm just saying a problem that even abandoned whatever is trying to sort things out. You know, if this this is so fast. You know, when you look at the I mean so far, you you know, like my father said it's windows. Yes, middle. No, end of it. Even if only mid of Syria. When you look at this people, end of end of endoshi, also these are by words. Endos are what they are doing. It is what you are doing is because what husband is doing is okay. Because they're going to run this country with the way opposition in the tongue, not quite a valoshi. Pana Ruman Govalo, she should be able to control if it's the umunabo. I think it's the party film be opening. My brother Emma open up there.

SPEAKER_44 2:47:46

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much, Maka Fumbi from Australia. Thank you very much. Uh, family, we we should be winding up uh on top of the hour. We've been on the broadcast for the last three hours. We wanted you to speak. Um, the cause remain so many. I know a lot of Zambians still want to speak, but uh, we'll be closing on top of the hour. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_30 2:48:14

All right, you're talking to Sydney.

SPEAKER_44 2:48:16

Sydney, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_30 2:48:20

Yes, uh Mr. Mwamba, I want to ask you some few questions. Um, this issue of uh Edgar Lungu's funeral or body. Um where do you think the problem is? You as far as I'm concerned, you are a senior citizen. You've served in this country in so many capacities. So I would want you to you know tell me where do you see the problem, like where do you think the problem is in regards to this issue of our late former president's funeral? Because for me, from my understanding, I don't really think it's right for us as a country, as patriots of this nation to allow our former president to be buried in a foreign land. And I think it's um my brother.

SPEAKER_44 2:49:29

Let me answer you that quickly. Hello, are you listening to me? Are you listening to me? Hello? I'm not let me let's not have a protracted debate, let's not be insensitive. The family wants to bury the late president in Zambia. That's number one. They had said because President Daka Indech Namadi want to respect the wishes of the late president, he wanted to conduct the funeral, be at the funeral. They said they'll temporarily bury South Africa, and they had prayed that one day there will be a government that will respect the wishes of the late president and they'll bring the body back to Zambia. This is not strange. There are a lot of remains that have been put elsewhere, but finally they arrest in their own country. Kamen Kuruma died in um Romania and was buried in uh I think in uh in Guinea because there was a government that was hostile to him. They never said they don't want the late president to be to not be buried in Zambia.

SPEAKER_30 2:50:39

Sorry, sorry to cut you short. Um listen, Mr. Mwamba, when uh the elected president went to South Africa, he went for routine medical checkups. You remember, right?

SPEAKER_44 2:50:55

Hello, my brother, say your piece, say your point.

SPEAKER_30 2:51:00

Okay, so my point is this uh look, Mr. Mwamba, um what we are doing, we are just um undressing our country, and people from outside this country they are laughing at us, you know. What I can tell you is this Valungu did not leave any wishes. Balungu did not go to South Africa as a patient. He went there for routine checkups. Therefore, he did not know.

SPEAKER_44 2:51:28

This is why I'm saying you should be sensitive, okay? You should be very sensitive. Don't bring lies here. President Lungu, just listen. President Lungu had been trying to go to hospital since 2022. President Lungu has a medical condition since 2015. Do not come here to pedal and annoy people. We are just about to close. He didn't go to South Africa for routine medical checkup. He had been trying to go to hospital for three years. Okay? And they want to peddle the lies that they they tell themselves. Okay, let me take the last three calls and uh then we can close. Anonymous, make your contribution. Yes, make your contribution from Namala.

SPEAKER_02 2:52:54

Bakabesha, they have done what uh what they wanted, and as a as consent citizen, I'll demand a report from Baka Vesha, and the reason why he requested for that post mortem so let Kabesha tell the nation or give the report to uh zongan nation because we all want to know what if the findings of that post mortem. Secondwamba, meeting nangwalas advice president. Are you telling me Gabanawa president ungana rume? Nishita mate my husband, what you are doing or what is happening in the country is not a good thing. And who are the churches of these so-called bishops? Shua. They can't advise the president or the judiciary through Bakavesha Shua. Where is the morals of us Zambians? Bamwamba, ask Bakavesha to give us a report. Me, I need a report because postmortem was started around 8:30 to 13 hours. Five hours is a long time. He should give us a report. The findings he found down that postmortem. We need to know what he found there. Bamwambanash to Karipa.

SPEAKER_44 2:54:47

Thank you. Family will be closing. Thank you for your support and thank you for your cause. But we'll be closing on top of the hour. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_27 2:55:05

Uh Anonymous uh Ambassador, how are you?

SPEAKER_44 2:55:09

Very well, my brother. Uh, we are not well, we are in mourning, but you can make your contributions.

SPEAKER_27 2:55:15

Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Uh my name.

SPEAKER_30 2:55:19

Uh my name. Um I'm calling from Copa Dot to be specific. So the thing is uh I have a problem here with the South African government. I want you to uh uh to educate me where where possible because uh my understanding is um uh our president was uh in a sovereign land and we understand that uh South Africa is a land of laws and respect Uh funerals and I've got uh laws that govern how funerals should be conducted. So now me, I'm wondering how is it possible that uh people were allowed to do what they did on the board of our lady president without any restraint on the part of the South African authorities. Remember, remember, Ambassador, uh this is a government, the South African government that had traveled to Zambia to come and confirm the death of our former president, to mean that they were officially informing the nation, the government and its people over the death of our former president. But today, how would they allow uh the Zambian officials to access that board and conduct the so-called post-mortem so that the child shall? Because the certificate of death was issued, uh, the information was given. So, now why did the South African government stay aloof when all these things have been left to happen like this, exposing the reasoning family to more pen? More pen. I think this is an indictment on the part of the South African government. I don't understand the levers of governance uh in that country, but the read that I've learned is that they respect the rule the rule of law, and their courts are independent. So, what has happened today, Amanda, I'd love you to educate us on that one because to me, I feel disappointed, and I really don't understand why they can allow that in their on their sovereign land. Thank you, Ramamba.

unknown 2:58:05

Thank you.

SPEAKER_44 2:58:13

Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions. Nameless make make your contribution.

SPEAKER_19 2:58:33

I won't be I won't be so long in the sense that uh I'm shocked because uh today's development has been the worst so far.

SPEAKER_30 2:59:23

And the Lord allowed that Jesus Christ was tortured up to the end.

SPEAKER_19 2:59:33

It was only one day when the Lord looked upon him and he resurrected my mumba. I have no waits, he filled to lay upon your waits, my bamba. May the Lord be with us.

SPEAKER_30 2:59:55

God allows certain things to happen because he wants to see how it's going to end.

SPEAKER_13 3:00:06

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Thank you so much for your information, Mama. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_44 3:00:22

Thank you, Maya. Thank you very much. Um, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_30 3:00:31

Um yeah, yes, uh honorable member, it's really disheartening to see how our late president has suffered. He has suffered enough to the extent of now being conducted more like a private model. What have they stolen from this man?

SPEAKER_20 3:01:06

Is it true that the rumors we had that they wanted to get something from him?

SPEAKER_30 3:01:12

This is what they wanted to achieve. I'm now believing to say this is true because they've done it, honorable member. It is not easy doing a postmortem on somebody who is not your relative, it's not easy, but this government with these agents have managed to conduct a postmortem. My question is that how safe is the body of Edgar Longo? Is it true that rituals now have been done? Because we have been speaking about rituals might be done towards Edgar Lungo's body. Is it true now that you have succeeded? What they wanted is where you add that you have suffered. You have suffered.

SPEAKER_20 3:02:18

Even in your death, they've followed you to the extent of destroying your your means to the extent of putting to see what they wanted to see, or to get what they wanted to get.

SPEAKER_30 3:02:34

They have gotten what they wanted to get from if they were body, they've wanted to get this is the reason if some people have decided to be so the people that wanted to go to Kasam. Because he wanted to make sure that things are being put in place without an apology. Who should not be allowed in the corridors of power? We are speaking so like this, honorable member.

SPEAKER_36 3:03:07

It's too painful, it's painful to see how it's no level.

SPEAKER_33 3:03:20

If it means to to punish these people to die right now, let it be so it's not, it's for something.

SPEAKER_44 3:03:29

Thank you, thank you very much. People are happy like that. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_30 3:03:40

What they did, they are able to salad it, they've succeeded. They got what the free mason told them to get, they've managed. These are idiots, idiots. I have no apology, these are idiots.

SPEAKER_44 3:03:58

Thank you, Cola. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make us. Thank you very much. Um, I've got the caller here. Please tell us your name and uh give us your contributions. Hello, caller.

SPEAKER_22 3:06:27

Uh so just wanted to send uh send you a message, not on power, not on live, but uh because it's a bit confidential.

SPEAKER_44 3:06:40

Thank you very much. I'll call you where I'm winding up the program. I'll take note of the number. I'll call you.

SPEAKER_19 3:06:45

Okay, just call me back when you are done.

SPEAKER_44 3:06:47

Thank you. Thank you very much.

unknown 3:06:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_44 3:06:52

Okay, I think we now have to close. We now have to close. Um allocola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution.

unknown 3:07:13

Hello?

SPEAKER_44 3:07:14

Landenipoyama landenipo.

SPEAKER_45 3:07:28

Uko muntuengafuam, wulo movi mwachita post mutemu.

SPEAKER_29 3:07:33

Wenefinbe di la Bambi Tabakabepo ba tuan day, kekatabana babu. Eutwechi tubakaveshemu marikua tavana, maripata no ruku. Bachari ni mwe nangumwana wenu. Uti mwa umfu shaani, ba sendo mwili kuye uchita posimute mu ku shama pati kutuwa ufu. Auture pepa. The sekuwa kumungu. Na mutu kalifili tima tatweto tru tu desi tatulala, mumule mulati se kelamumwa leta mafunde asai balo abantu balanda, mwemulati namu chenjira. Ba chile sekuwa. I pepofeninga pitiwa tfionse fi nga palifio wasen di liko. Fionse fiwa sendeleko. The palifofiala wumba. No koku nekwa pendele to mumu wokowa yesu crystu, wandu kufitanyu to rise. Muloko yesu cle one bookyo naula. Fionse fiwa sendele kuonse kofidi, which speak the blood of Jesus. Let you shine, let your light light shine upon everything that they've taken from that body. In the mighty name of Jesus. Twafi kutaula, tuwa fi on naula. Wish na idea kwayesu cru.

SPEAKER_44 3:08:48

Amen. Thank you very much. I'm taking the last caller and then we close. Alo caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_07 3:08:57

Uh, Mr. Mwamba will mean anonymous anonymous.

SPEAKER_44 3:09:01

Give your contributions.

SPEAKER_07 3:09:03

Uh, Mr. Mwamba, today is like a dark, dark day for Zambia. And the fiatika lero mbu historia Zambia. If you en if nabantubarambook to se kefi, on savantu abamba country zaya madaspra na kuisa na kumbi. A chienage, this is like a dark demuzanbeatraj tikka kufifi. Avanto nga lachika na mwa particha e ifia mbogu chitika. Kwena inokinarumba kofia, Iama chon se ababa manam your cut.

SPEAKER_44 3:10:05

Oh, my brother, you are cutting, you are cutting, you are cutting. Oh, I'm sorry, you are cutting, but we got you and your appeal to the change. Hello, this is now my last call. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions. M call ambassador manonymous. Yes, I'm India.

SPEAKER_30 3:10:32

Nalo, can you hear me?

SPEAKER_44 3:10:34

Yes, I can hear you very clearly. Make your contributions.

SPEAKER_30 3:10:37

Yes, before I even forget, uh, the previous caller was saying uh he's never had any child, so he can't have that heart of understanding what it means to be a father. Well, on top of it, Bakabishanwa Bishop Bam Church. He's a bishop of a big church, but for him to behave like that is so absurd, and uh it's very disturbing that uh the whole entire Zambia, the church is quiet. The church has become so quiet, they are pretending like there's nothing that is happening. I don't know if it's kind of decided on or something like that. Then I also want to say that I'm very disturbed because Ambassador have witnessed a lot of uh postmortems, and postmortems are so traumatizing. So for them to do such a thing, uh you know, it's like they've the the the the grief that they've left with the family, it's going to traumatize the family for the rest of their lives, not just the family only, even us that are feeling it, and this is so unlike Zambian, you know. Our culture is to see that the the dead are cared for, even as the last act of love, we need to do that, but it's like it has been a violation of everything, and I'm wondering isn't there anything that can be done uh with the international community? Can this be reached to maybe even UN? And what would what would be the end result of this since there was something that was said about the Supreme Court from the Supreme Court yesterday? What is the Supreme Court going to do about this thing where they say they're going to cite them for content? I think we'd like to know about what's going to happen from there onwards. And I think what whatever everybody's saying, maybe President Makebizul should leave. I hope he could just like stay put because the body that he was the the whole family was waiting for or taking, waiting until that day should come when we bury him. Was uh a full body without anything being disturbed. So no bakay nga saying, how can they say they've abandoned the body? And where's the dignity in this thing that has taken place? So for my ambassador, we'll be very happy to hear what the court has to say. I think the court should have the last say about the people at the embassy, even Rakavisha, nobody's about the law, even Wakate Kevin. Why would you do such a thing? Oh my he's evil. Sorry to say Ambassador. This is so devilish and so evil.

SPEAKER_44 3:14:04

Thank you. Thank you. That was my last caller.

SPEAKER_40 3:14:07

Very, very staying. Very, very sleeping.

SPEAKER_44 3:14:10

Thank you, Cola. Thank you. That was my last caller. Uh there are so many miscalls, but I'm sorry, I think we gave as many people as possible to uh uh speak. We need to close the program. Uh I'm just coming in for with the summary.

SPEAKER_17 3:14:27

Okay, I've not come across the bigger. Okay, okay, I mean, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_16 3:15:37

Apart from that, there's no other again fear.

SPEAKER_44 3:15:55

When he sold the shares of Kansanchi without recourse to the constitution, people thought it was an isolated event. When he sold Mopani without recourse to the law, people thought it was just a business corporate decision. When he began to steal the seats, Kabushi, Kwacha, you know, Kawamba, Pambashi, Lumezi, Yafouwe. People thought no, this is just a fight between the PF and UPND. When he now stole the entire PF, people said no, no, no, the PF was he has followed up with other illegal acts, acts against the constitution, acts against our people, acts against our culture. He has amended the law illegally, he has delimitated the law illegally, is uh enacted cyber laws that has brought silence in the country. He denied his brother and his elder brother and predecessor access to medical treatment. For three years, Edgar Lungo couldn't seek medical treatment, even when he had an underlying medical condition that the whole country knew about. Now, even in his day, Edgar Lungo is being persecuted, is being punished, is being humiliated, and uh uh uh inhuman treatment is being caused on him. Yesterday, they picked the board without the authority of anyone. They allege that they are the authority of the court, and that judgment gives them powers to repatriate the body to Zambia and give it uh a dignified uh a funeral. What we instead found out is that they took it to a pathologist at In Pretoria, and this morning they assembled the team and conducted a post mortem. So even the lies they were issuing, relying on the court order, that doesn't say any of these things. They knew they were dangerous. President Again Dechel was expected to be massacred in a highly advertised program. He was supposed to leave the country. He had done none of that. Now we know that he wanted to monitor this process. Makebizulu left the country, rushed to South Africa. They spent the evening looking for the body with the lawyers. Finally, through you know, through uh demands of the court and the lawyer, they were now taken to uh a facility where they found that the body had been abandoned at that facility and that authorities from Zambia, Zambian Embassy, and others had now uh this pathology um postmortem that was done on the late president. The logbooks show that uh the postmortem began from 8:30 and ended at 13 hours. The postmortem has been done without the consent or authority of the president, the family, or the lawyers. They were not aware, they just had to discover these facts. And they uh as at uh at at broadcast time when I brought in Makebizul, we informed you as a country that they found this macabre where uh a postmortem has been done. Uh uh, you know, on many people here call us were calling it a mutilation, they were calling it satanic ritual. We shouldn't even say it was a postmortem under the guise that they're investigating a matter, you know, just totalize a dishonest from government just shows that this has nothing to do with the pursuit of law or any complaint. Because who initiates a corona's inquest? Who initiates any investigation on the death? Who initiates a post mortem? Can it be strangers in South Africa? Can it be strangers from state house? Where is the family? That was the purpose of our broadcast today. God bless you, continue to pray for our country, we'll speak to you tomorrow.

SPEAKER_17 3:20:02

All those others at point in time, as I've said already.

SPEAKER_42 3:20:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_17 3:20:07

I've not come across a single man in politics we're today thinking of. Apart from what's my a man is a baby. What is it? No, I think it was my name. Southern province.

SPEAKER_16 3:21:20

There's no other either.

SPEAKER_17 3:21:25

I can fear to run this country. All those easy others who have run in parties. I can't see any one of them.

SPEAKER_18 3:21:41

Everything but live my liberty, my dignity, and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute I walk the street, somebody says you can't walk the street because you're former president, you are in danger of being attacked, and people might attack you and will be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. The next minute I said, But you really didn't know that I was former president. When you stripped me of these things, please put your house in order. The next minute I want to go to church, somebody goes into church and says, Oh, the party, friends, and all. So I only lamented that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying, No, we want to protect you. No, uh, you see, demeaning of the president to be saying, to be going without this or that. I said, I I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I've not complained at all. The time that I've complained is when I've been harassed. I said, You've stripped me of everything, but leave my liberty, my dignity, and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute I walk the street, somebody says you can't walk the street because you're former president, you are in danger of being attacked, and people might attack you, and we'll be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. The next minute I say, But you really didn't know that I was former president. When you stripped me of these things, please go and put your house in order. The next minute I want to go to church, somebody goes into church and says,