ILLEGAL POSTMORTEM ON FORMER PRESIDENT EDGAR LUNGU PRT I

LIVE NOW; WE DISCUSS THE SHOCK REVELATION THAT THE BODY OF THE LATE PRESIDENT EDGAR CHAGWA LUNGU WAS REMOVED FROM THE APPOINTED MORGUE AND A POSTMORTEM DONE ON HIM WITHOUT CONSENT OR AUTHORITY OF THE LAW OR THE FAMILY

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SPEAKER_06 0:56

The party, friends, and all. So I only lamented that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying, No, we want to protect you. No, uh, you see, the meaning of the president to be saying, to be going without this or that. I said, I I I I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I've not complained at all. The time that I've complained is when I've been harassed. I said, You've stripped me of everything, but leave my liberty, my dignity, and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute I walk the street, somebody says you can't walk the street because you're a former president. You are in danger of being attacked, and people might attack you and will be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. The next minute I say, But you really didn't know that I was former president. When you stripped me of these things, please go and put your house in order. The next minute I want to go to church, somebody goes into church and says, the party, friends, and all. So I only lamented that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying, No, we want to protect you. No, uh, you see, demeaning of the president to be saying, to be going without this or that. I said, I I I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I've not complained at all. The time that I've complained is when I've been harassed. I said, You've stripped me of everything, but leave my liberty, my dignity, and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute I walk the street, somebody says you can't walk the street because you're former president. You are in danger of being attacked, and people might attack you, and we'll be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. The next minute I say, But you really didn't know that I was former president. When you stripped me of these things, please go and put your house in order.

SPEAKER_05 2:52

The next minute I want to go to church, somebody goes into church and says, We speak not just as political actors, but as Zambians who understand the meaning of dignity, culture, faith, and respect for the dead. We find it extremely strange and troubling that a postmortem was conducted on the body of the late president, Dr. Edgar Chagualungu, in total exclusion of his immediate family or his lawyers. Distinguished members of the press, where is the morality in ripping and cutting the body of the former president in such a secret and suspicious manner? What was the motive and to whose benefit? Does this action by the state amount to the popular dignified barrier? What was done to the motto remains of President Lungu is ungodly and unacceptable. It's simply evil. We are told that a post-mortem was conducted under the pretext of the so-called criminal investigation. But we ask, what kind of process is this that excludes the family? What kind of investigation operates in secrecy when it concerns something as sacred as the body of the deceased? Let us be clear. If this process was lawful, if it were clean, if it were above the above bone, the family would have been present. The family would have been informed, and the family would have been part of it. The fact that they were not leads to one unavoidable conclusion. Something is seriously wrong, and when something is wrong at this level, it ceases to be administrative. It becomes national, it becomes a national moral question. Fellow countrymen and women, how can what has been reported in the press almost amounting to the mutilation of President Lungu's body be justified as acceptable or consistent with non-postmortem practices? We therefore demand that President Dakainde Ichilema immediately addresses the nation and explain in clear terms to the Zambian people why he has allowed the desecration of his late brother's body in this manner. In light of what has happened, the UPND government must also dismiss with clarity the strong and widespread concerns that this entire matter is linked to spiritual or ritual practices. Why are the circumstances of the post-mortem so strange and peculiar? Distinguished colleagues, Zambia is not just any country. Zambia is a Christian nation. We believe in the dignity of life. We believe in the sanctity of death. We believe that even in death, a human being, especially our late president, deserves to be treated with reverence. What we have witnessed raises deeply troubling questions about the values and intentions of those who allowed this abomination to happen. Distinguished colleagues, allow me at this moment to turn to the church. The church cannot be silent. Not now, not on this matter. Especially that the late president was a man of faith who openly believed in Jesus Christ. To remain quiet in the face of this is to abandon that very foundation he tried to help build for the nation. We also tend to our traditional leaders who are the custodians of our customs and heritage. You will all agree with me, fellow citizens, that our non-traditions as Zambians do not permit what has happened in South Africa. And certainly our culture does not accept this. What has happened is an abomination, both in the eyes of our Christian faith and in the eyes of our African values. We therefore call upon you all chiefs to attack on humanity.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

In our African tradition, death is sacred. The dead are treated with reverence. Families are accorded the highest respect in matters concerning their loved ones. To storm emochery, seize a body and subject it to procedures without consent is not only unlawful, it is culturally offensive and spiritually disturbing and if a government can act with such disregard towards a former head of state, we must ask what protection remains for the ordinary citizens like you and me? This is a dangerous president. This incident sets a chilling precedent for Zambia. That the state can override families at will, that court orders can be ignored with utter impunity when inconvenient. That truth can be manipulated through fabricated claims. That power can be exercised without accountability. Fellow Zambians, this is not governance. This is unchecked authority, an extreme abuse of the people's power conferred on those who govern on behalf of the people. At this critical moment in our nation's history, I wish to make a solemn and respectful appeal. Firstly, to the church. I wish to call upon all church mother bodies, bishops, pastors, and faith leaders across denominations to rise and speak with one voice. This is a moral issue that transcends politics. The church has always been the conscience of the nation. To stand with the bereaved family in their time of distress, to remind the nation and its leaders of the sanctity of life and death. To uphold Zandia's declaration as a Christian nation, not only in word but in action. Silence at such a time, dear church, risks being interpreted as acceptance and to their royal highnesses and traditional leaders. I equally call upon our traditional leaders, the custodians of our culture, heritage, and moral order, to take a clear and principled stand on this matter. Our traditions are unequivocal. One, the dead must be treated with utmost dignity. Two, families must be accorded respect and authority over their loved ones. Three, cultural rights and processes must never be violated by force. I therefore urge our traditional leaders to condemn this act without reservation, to guide the nation on the cultural implications of such conduct and to help restore respect for the values that define us as a people. Accord to the Zambian people. This is no longer about political parties, as both of us have said before. This is about the soul of our nation. We must ask ourselves some very serious questions. Do we want a Zambia where law is respected, or do we want a Zambia where law is abused at will? Do we want a Zambia where leaders show humility? Or do we want a Zambia where leaders show arrogance? Do we want a Zambia guided by values or a Zambia guided by raw power? We have seen this show of arrogance and impunity before. Yes? We saw it in the passing of Biusedan against the will of the people of this country. We have seen it imposed in the delimitation of constituencies and in so many instances before. Is this what you Zambians want to live under for another five years? Your vote in 2026, in August, will answer all these questions. Our demand. Unequivocally. We demand an immediate and independent international inquiry into the events of 22nd to 23rd April 2026. We demand full accountability from all Zambian officials involved in this immoral act. We demand a formal apology from the government to the Lungu family and the Zambian people. Finally, we demand guarantees from this government that such excesses will never happen again. Our commitment as a party, we stand united. And I believe we thought our opposition party in defending the rule of law. We stand united in defending the dignity of every Zamian citizen living or disease. We stand united, fellow citizens, to defend the values that define us as a Christian nation and an African nation that respects culture and tradition. We will not remain silent in the face of injustice. We will not remain silent in the face of impunity. We will not remain silent in the face of. In conclusion, fellow citizens.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

What a day. What a day. We've sold our country to the devil. Zambia is not a Christian nation. Zambia is not a Christian nation. Because I tell you, one moon to one president to one Zambia. You go and open someone's body. Whatever you are doing, it will come back for you. Um case the case that I land that we never coffee. No one feed a coffee. No one is with no one could take a coffee.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Um the facts are so traumatizing. You you wouldn't think that this would happen in Zambia, would happen to Zambia or would happen to any nation. I am privileged, you know, I'm in the United States, and you know, the entire America was glued to watch when one soldier was missing in Iran and the state assets deployed, the defense assets deployed to rescue him. And they even had to burn two major planes, multi-million dollar planes, when when they realized that to evacuate that single American, they could have endangered others. The multi-million dollar planes, two of them were destroyed, all in the quest to save one American soldier stuck in America. I've never seen such level of patriotism and commitment. When you hear what we do to ourselves, when you hear what they've done to the body of the late president, it's extremely shocking and inhuman that a Zambian can do that to another Zambian. But even juniors, you know, when you review the matters for the Holocaust in Germany and the death of six million Jews, or you review the genocide that occurred in uh Rwanda, you realize that the dustard acts are not just done by the top. Ichilema was not the one mutilating the body. Ichilema was not the one cutting that body into pieces for five hours. It's not Ichilema. It's handlers. So you see in the genocide, both in the Holocaust in Germany and in Rwanda, that they had to hold account to juniors who were now carrying out these instructions. So this brings me to the officials, the police officers that were sent from State House and from service headquarters. This brings me to a young vibrant diplomat like Yui from the Zambian Embassy, Yui Makote, who are signing and authorizing the release of the body without elect president. The evil is not done by those in authority. It is done by operatives who are families who can be identified. Just know that you'll be held accountable too when you know when time for account comes on. The leaders of the opposition have reacted, Honorable Harikalava, and you saw the two leaders today, Bran Munduvile and Sebastian Kopuland, react to this dust and act crime done against Zambia and against the remains of the late president Edgar Chagualungo. He's been in South Africa without treatment, I mean without support from government, paying his own treatment for six months, his own stay. No government bothered about him. They never visited him to date. They've never visited his family. They've never gone to the funeral home. No one from government has seen the first lady, the widow, who's grieving. No one from government. But they've been preoccupied and obsessed with the body of the late president. And they say they want to give him a dignified funeral. They disrespected him in life. And look what they've done in death. And many people were commenting on the president's own page when he was when he traveled to Mansa. Some comments, and I saw, I think the administrators kept on deleting. Some comments were saying, You people of Mansa, how can you receive a man who's literally dripping with blood walking into Mansa and you are busy ululating and accepting him? The outrage by the Zambian community, but the politics are so numbing. That people of Mansa can pretend nothing has happened, that traditional leaders, instead of rebuking the president, can just watch him and issue praises. The day they were stealing the body of the late president on Wednesday, he was meeting a renowned televangelist from Ghana with all our Pentecostal fathers. The same time that he was meeting them, there was an active operation that he was fully informed of to retrieve the body. These men arrived at 15:30 and they tried to get the body for four, three, four hours. Because a lawyer, lawyer to the family, told them you cannot. We have an active case in the Supreme Court. What you are saying that the case has lapsed is not true. And even if you are to follow the orders of the older High Court order judgment of August 2025, it still requires you to have a family member. It defines that the ADC has to be present. I will read the statement from the family, the statement that was issued this morning. They've issued a statement on the unlawful handling and postmortem of Zambian president, Zambia sixth president Edgar Chagualungu's remains. The family of the late Sixth Republican President of Zambia, his Excellency Edgar Chagualungu, condemns in the strongest terms the blatant disregard for South African court orders and the due process by Zambian officials and South African police personnel in the handling of former President Edgar Lungu's remains. These actions executed under the guise of a lapsed High Court order from August 2025. And that word is used correctly, lapsed. Because you know, when you appeal a judgment and you are in the Supreme Court, the matter is no longer in the High Court. The matter is in the Supreme Court. This matter was in the Supreme Court. A notice of appeal, records of appeal, arguments have been filed in that Supreme Court. So the judgment below doesn't matter anymore. So the violated government of Zambia has violated the legal protocols, the family rights, and international norms in handling of the deceased remains. On 22nd April 2026, South African police and Zambian officials arrived at Two Mountains funeral service in Joansbek, where the president's body was held. They claimed that they were there to enforce the judgment of August 2025. And that they had come to pick the body for repatriation for repatriation. They pressured the morgue for almost four hours. And this is despite the absence of the family and the lawyers. Later, and you can feel for two mountains. Every other day there's an attempt to get that body. Every other day, their business is disrupted by the government of Zambia through either those NGOs that they had appointed and paid for, and through everything that has been done. You can imagine if you run a business and every day there is drama at your premises. And it is no wonder. You know, they even they also just surrendered the body. They even wrote an angry letter. Please don't bring this body back. Because you can imagine as a business what they've gone through the last one year, the same trauma that the family has been suffering. This is not the first time that Attorney General Muniloka Besha has attempted to get that body illegally. We blew the whistle in uh February, just uh February, when again they turned up to pick the body. The body was transferred to Shuane Forensic Pathology Services in Pretoria. And there's an entry number that shows that the body has arrived at 0632-26. A sanjed Nguyen. And I hope that the family will lodge a formal complaint. You know, the police in South Africa has been under the cloud of corruption and abuse. People can hijack a police officer and do everything. You've seen to the extent that the police commission has been fired, you have seen that there is a full inquiry how the police is part of the criminal underworld in South Africa. It's intertwined that there is an official criminal investigation. And this sergeant, this sergeant, who's been harassing the family, demanding DNA without following procedure, demanding the body. This is not the first time he has turned up with the police to attempt to get the body. I hope that the family can lodge an official complaint. Like I said, it's not the people at the top that do the dust at crime, these officials like Sergeant Ngwenya. There is this Zambian diplomat, Yui, who's being named everywhere. He's the one that appeared at the star, planted that fourth story, he paid for it, we've got a receipt. Yui again appeared at the two mountains to pick the body. Yui is again at the premises when the the the postmortem is is being done. Is he a relative of the lungus? Are you a relative of the lungus? Why are you signing for the body that is not yours? Why don't you let Murilokabesha sign for that body? Why are you authorizing postmortem to a body that doesn't belong to you? You know. Notably, Sergeant Nguenya falsely identified the deceased as having died from suspected poisoning. These are the documents he has signed that he's picking the body because the let was poisoned. And he says this was reported by a family member. Remember the story that was planted in the star newspaper? Again, it was an advertisement, a paid-for advert by Yui from the Zambian Embassy. They planted this story in the star where they said the family member from the Lunguz has complained that uh the late president was poisoned. If it was a family member, why is Yui from the embassy paying for that story at the star newspaper? Um when that NGO, okay, held a conference, a press conference at Teo Tel. Again, you find that it's UI who has paid for it. So how can an NGO in South Africa hold a conference demanding the repatriation of the remains of the late president? Payment being done by a Zambian official at the embassy. Why would you do that? Upon learning of these irregularities, the family's lawyers urgently approached the High Court in Pretoria between 22 hours and 23 hours on 22nd April 2026. Just two hours after the body was picked, the family obtained a high court order. We showed you the picture of the lawyer and the judge and and the registry sitting in conference, individually in conference, and the orders were given. And the orders were very explicit. Return the body immediately. Return the body to two mountains or to a designated place where the family will choose. Those were the orders. Immediately the order was gotten, the announcement was made on this platform by the family spokesperson Makebizul. An hour later, copies were given to everyone, including Murilo Kabesha and his lawyers in South Africa. In the morning, by eight hours, service was done to all parties. The court issued an order mandating the immediate return of the remains of the late president to two mountains funeral service and or a designated place that the family would choose. And they also the court also threatened that if they don't do this, Murilo Kabesha and his group, they should show cause why the court should not hold them in contempt. The order was very clear. And it was published by morning on BBC SABC. This order was duly served on all relevant South African authorities and the Zambian government lawyers, including Murilo Kabesha. But in brazen defiance of this order, under the direction of the Zambian government, Sanji and Tinguenya. And now we've identified that while we're serving this, and uh for the family spokesperson was traveling between Zambia and South Africa, and the family was apprehensive. The Zambian, the the the lawyer in South Africa for the family was frantically pushing for the body to be repatriated. They had begun to do an illegal postmortem. There's no legal authority, no consent from the family, no legal basis for such a process to take place. Let's walk back. What does the August 2025 mandate Attorney General to do? It gives him right to pick the body of the late president and bring it to Zambia for a dignified burial, a state funeral. Those were his arguments in court. And that is why, even that court, even if we dispute his finding. That's what it mandated Muriel Kabesha. He came to the funeral parlor, told the lawyers to the Lungu family that he was effecting the judgment of August 2025. And all of you are aware that he proceeded to issue a formal statement that they have executed the judgment of the High Court to pick the body. That judgment gives Kabesha Murilo authority to pick the body and transfer it to Zambia and give it a dignified burial. That's what the order says. But no, he picks a body and he takes it to forensic pathology service in Pretoria. And for five hours they begin to mutilate the body of the late president under the guise that they were conducting a postmortem for five hours. That's what the records show. Yui again appears on the scene, is being quoted like he's standing in for the family and he's standing in for the Zambian government. We should emphasize the procedure was never authorized by the August 25th, 2025. The judgment that gave them authority to pick the body. The facility withheld the body until 2140, because it took a long time to establish where the body was. There was a frantic effort, threats by the police. I mean, by because now the lawyer had engaged the real police. The real police at the top were now given these orders and they were told there's defiance. So the police now compelled that to disclose where they had taken the body. And it was only at 21.40, you know, that, you know, Makebizulu found where the body was, and you heard he was live on this program, and you and I discovered the same facts. They had found that a postmortem had been conducted for five hours from 8.30 to 13.30, and that the body was in that state where they had literally mutilated, conducted that post-mortem. Many of you yesterday cried and said the Lungu family should not even have picked the body. They should many of you that were your cries. And um, you know, holding even this program, every time you saw a picture of me, I put another picture when people were calling. I was also affected and I was also crying because it was just traumatic. I couldn't believe that any government I know in my country can do that to another government. Even under the guise that they were conducting a criminal investigation, even under there's decency in the manner we do things. We are a rule-based country, we follow the rule of law, we follow, we respect our culture, we respect the family. Even if government are the point, even if South African authorities are the point. In fact, this should have become the Zambian government protecting that entire process. Many nationals would not even have allowed their national a postmortem to be done in a foreign land. Because it's being done by authorities who they can't verify. If there were concerns, the Zambian government would pick those remains and bring them to Zambia and conduct their own postmortem. And it can never be done without the family. The broadcast yesterday, the last two days, have been the most traumatic broadcast I've ever done. You know, where even me, as I present the facts, I was totally broken because I'm human. And uh and uh especially where I was discovering the facts, the day we discovered that they had stolen the body, it was just shocking that President Dakainde H. Lemand's team could go to this extent. And then we find out yesterday in the middle of the broadcast, I had no idea. Makebi just alerted me that I have news I need to speak to the nation. And I said, okay, let me provide what could be the matter. He says, no. I'm in the middle of something, but I will spare 10 minutes to come and brief the country. I had no idea. In my mind, I just thought, oh, now they found a body. And maybe now we can pick the body, even if it's this late. You know. I had no idea that the details that would be disclosed were the ones that were disclosed. So I was also as traumatized as you were. I was as shocked as you were. Any Zambian would not like that to be done on any family member. What President Akainde Ichileman Mulilokabesha did on the remains of the late president. So the statement says the procedure was never authorized by the High Court judgment of 2025. The facility withheld the body until approximately 2140 on 23rd April, only relenting after the family's lawyers engaged senior South African police officials, like I was telling you. These actions have identified Fidia Tuchita, Naukwa Ten Congoli, Warishwa Police Pakawata, Wa Muri Pirawoin, Nasang Sende, Tia Umpoke Rekwen Congoli. You go and harass someone, Mwamusenda Mamulonga, at obtaining money by false pretense. You know, to use the police in that fashion, many of you have used the police to collect in Congolese. This is the same scenario where the Zambian government is using this NGO and this police officer to do what they are doing. Otherwise, the senior police officers would not have cooperated. And also, you know, Tembika is a very senior lawyer in South Africa. You know. And that is the only time they release a body. They had mutilated it under the guise that they were conducting a postmortem. We've identified the woman, it was done by a woman. You know, Tabakotako no muchin. She twafu a pathology still, a man, sure. Aw, ow. The family has since taken custody of the body in accordance with the court order. Remember, the court order says return the body immediately, give it to the family. Um, and the family either to two mountains or a mog of their choice. Whereas most have expressed the opinion that the remains should have been left with the state, who wantonly have desecrated the remains of the late president and violated the dignity of President Edgar Chagualungu. The Lungu family holds the firm view that under no circumstances will they abandon their loved one. Many of you are annoyed, are angry. Remember, even practices came where then the deceased body leads you to the house of who the suspect has taken the body, has killed the deceased. There's even even a mob justice, those people are usually killed. But the family, even under these circumstances, even under this strain, says the remains of the late president remain theirs. Even if it's violated, desecrate, it's a difficult decision. But that's why you just need to pray for everyone involved. Because it's just not wisdom you need to make decisions like that, it's also strength. What are the other facts quickly? So, yeah, let me just summarize what this statement says. So the Zambian government retrieved the body ostensibly for repatriation, but instead subjected it to an unauthorized postmortem and mutilation. No family member was present during the removal of two mountains funeral services morg. No family member was present at Shuanef Friends Pathology Service for handover identification, and it only records that the Zambian diplomat, Yui, is the one that authorizes. Yui brought the body, Yui. Sergeant Tinga's false claim of suspected poisoning reported by a family member has no basis or, in fact, there's no family member who has reported that the late president was poisoned. Then no South African or any other court has authorized a postmortem on the late president. These events present a grave abuse of power, desecration of the late president's dignity, and contempt for the rule of law. The family reserves all legal rights to pursue justice, including contempt proceedings, and calls on South African and Zambian authorities to introspect and transparently inquire into this unbefitting conduct. That statement is being soft. What has been done on the remains of the late president is a huge violation of domestic, our own laws and international laws. They've violated cultural norms and cultural practices. They've violated the rights of the late president and his family. What has been done, like Sebastian Koplander says, is a turning point in our country. This particular moment that you are witnessing is a turning point in our country. Um it remains shocking to all of us. Now, this is what we are going to do. I've just seen that I've been invited to an interview with uh uh a broadcast TV station in South Africa. They want me at 2115. So, this is what we will do. On top of the hour, we'll close a broadcast. I'll go and conduct that interview with this international, this African media. I've just seen the communication. Then we can come and pick the cause. Um uh because I know the way I've expressed myself, you also want to express yourself. Um, the UPND have tried to say Mwamba is doing propaganda, Mwamba is doing. We do none of that, we stick to the facts. Did they steal the body? They store the body. Kabesha confirmed. Did they do the postmortem? They did the postmortem. Even the records show who brought the body. Even the young man Yuyi is on record on behalf of the attorney general. And what is shocking is President Akainde H Lema had local engagement um yesterday. He was supposed to be in Wapula to officially open um the ceremony uh for the activities that took place today. And we understand he was also an official engagement abroad. Yesterday, when the postmortem was taken, President Ichilema cancelled his trip to Mansa. What does that mean? He's fully aware this was being done at his direction. That's why he cancelled any event. He had to ensure this was done. I have seen many things, such as a picture that shows that president uh Edgar Lungo was being transported in a body bag that's small. I don't know if you've seen that picture. Uh in a double cup van Walung Wadi Water. I'm quite tall. He was taller than me. You can't meet, you can't you can't fit him in that double cup. Cup because the cub is a short base after they put the second cup. But you've seen that picture. I'm yet to verify that picture. And that is why I haven't published it. I saw it. It has been released by Honorable Mouse Ampa. But in this season, what I have noticed is every time we are pushing government, they would plant something on any of us. And that would be the caution to you. Sometimes we publish, then you think twice. Said, can I verify before I publish that? Others have sent me a picture of President Akainde H Lima watching a video link. Come on. Who would then allow, who would take a picture of President Dakainde H Lima watching a postmortem? Who would, other than his officials? So again, I can't publish such a picture. Because someone they are trying to plant stories to take away from the fundamentals that a body of Zambia's sixth president, Zambia's sixth commander-in-chief, Zambia's sixth Republican president, that they stole his body, they've desecrated it, that they've conducted the postmodem. They want that debate to go away. So to the media, to all of us that are on social media, let's just be careful. Because they'll try to plant some falsehood that should take away the credible story. Then they are going to call us propagandists. They're going to accuse us that we are peddling lies. I think let us stick to the facts. If President Akainde HM was watching the morbid mutilation of the remains of the late president, I don't think such a picture exists. So I will not publish it, even if I've seen the pictures of the president, President Lung being taken in a van that is small because it was extremely tall. It's highly plausible. That's a real picture. But for me, until I verify, I will not speak or publish that picture. One of the admin published it briefly, but I said, ah, but Mao Sampa. Is a social media netizen like me. He's a social media native like me. We've been on social media for a long time. But I told the administrators, don't use that picture. Because they could be planting a picture on us to take away from the credibility of the story that we have. So Mwantwa Kwalesa, um either continue to comment on the broadcast or we'll end this broadcast. We'll start at we'll begin, even if it's late, because a lot of people want to go. We can start it at 22 hours. I have to go to this interview with um a South African TV channel that wants to speak about the late president. Um maybe when I set up, I might share it on my page. Let me conduct that interview, then we can come and do the phone calls when I return at 22 hours. God bless you, God bless our country. Many people have been saying the church is quiet, the church is extremely quiet. The traditional leaders, Bachina Pukiranawakateka, to someone who was president, who was uh um who was uh you know commander in chief of the armed forces in Zambia. And sometimes you have to allow these institutions because they're highly institutional, they may not operate at our speed. They need their technical staff to verify the information, their own verification. They just can't say because Muamba said or because Makebia said, They want to ensure that the information is true, so we may forgive them, but we expect to hear their strong condemnation on these activities. The church already has a statement by Murilo Kavesha confirmed officially that he has uh picked the body and it is in his custody, and he even said I've put it at a government facility for repatriation and dignified burial. He had said that at the judgment of August 2025 allowed him to do so. So we already have official confirmation. The church, like citizen first president, based on that Harikalava immediately condemned government. I'm glad that Bran Munwile today and may, you know, Bran, may the soul of uh your sister-in-law lay to rest. You know, you just came from the graveside and you came to speak to this matter. That's how urgent it was. Even in the midst of your mourning, you abandoned that morning. You know, after burial, you came and conducted that uh that uh that press conference. You know, we need to recognize that Umkarambo and Sebastian Copeland has also put the facts very, very tight. So the change, the facts are laid bare. You no longer have excuses to be quiet. The people calling us propagandists, leave them. For them, Ichirema is a saint, he can do no wrong. And they say evil reigns, evil is perpetrated because good people like you keep quiet. That's the only reason that evil reigns because good people keep quiet. Uh let me conduct the interview at SABC, then we can come back at 22 hours and do the phone calls. God bless you, we'll see you.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

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