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PART II ILLEGAL POSTMORTEM OF ZAMBIA'S SIXTH PRESIDENT
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LIVE NOW; WE DISCUSS THE SHOCK REVELATION THAT THE BODY OF THE LATE PRESIDENT EDGAR CHAGWA LUNGU WAS REMOVED FROM THE APPOINTED MORGUE AND A POSTMORTEM DONE ON HIM WITHOUT CONSENT OR AUTHORITY OF THE LAW OR THE FAMILY
If you must have seen the pictures earlier, but it took time to come and address the nation on this critical development. As I was acknowledging his leadership and Navakalamba, Dr. Sebastian Koplande, for that thoughtful statement, especially highlighting the violations that have been done against the family, against the culture, and against all of us as Zamians, is demanded for actions, even an apology from the head of state. Martin Nemola, Pastor Martin Nemola, and I'm glad that all the speakers are asking the church, where is the church? Why is it silent when a thing like this is being done? Especially to the remains of the late president who was Republican president, the president of our country for seven years, who was commander-in-chief of our armed defense forces for seven years. And how can they be silent when these issues are being done? And just who is sympathizing with the weed? Who is sympathizing? Who would love any woman to go through what Mama Esther has gone through? So Martin Nemola, who was pastor in Germany when there was this horrific act of you know taking away the lives of Jews, up to six million were taken. He has written a very fundamental issue. Remember, I was highlighting that evil reigns in any nation because good people become silent. And uh Pastor Nemola was a pastor himself, he was a good man. But he says he became quiet, and evil was done in the land because of him and other people. Evil was done in that land. German is still reeling from that. Let me just read what Pastor Nemola said. Yeah, it's a famous uh uh uh uh uh quote. Uh let me just quickly get to it so that I can read it. There are various versions because it's an interpretation, of course, from uh Germany, and it says, first they came for the socialist, because Hitler didn't love socialists. I didn't speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionist. I didn't speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews. I didn't speak out because I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak for me. When we Zambians have been crying, President Akainde H Lema has stolen the patriotic front. He has stolen the seats in Kwachakabushi, he has stolen Kawambua, Pambashe, you know, Lumezi, Mfwe. People thought it's just their UPND, PFY. When he jails people, people think that it cannot affect them. But now here we are. It has affected all of us. Everything that President Akainde Hilema he changed the law, he changed the constitution illegally, he has appropriated the powers of the judiciary legislature, is it and others. Now it has affected all of us. Now we are waking up. We are like Father Pastor Nemola. Because now when they've come for us, it came for our constitution. There's no one to speak for us. And speaking of the widow, you know, to remain quiet over this matter is to be complicit to evil. You are participating in evil by your mere silence. I'm glad that the phones are ringing because that's what I promised. So I'll take them just now. So to remain quiet is to be complicity to evil. Evil prevails when good people, very good people, sit and do nothing. They don't want to be to speak, they don't want to be in trouble, they just want to be quiet because they think it doesn't affect them. Evil reigns until it comes to your doorstep. Now, Exodus 22, verse 22 to 24 is very clear on how you treat the widow. It says, Do not oppress a widow, do not mistreat the widow, do not oppress the fatherless offense. And he says, You shall not mistreat any widow, any fatherless child. If you mistreat them and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry. And the Bible emphasizes the word surely in some versions, it's in capital letters. If you mistreat them and they cry out to me, I will surely, in capital letters, I will surely hear their cry, and my wrath will be upon you. My wrath will burn, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives shall become widows, and your children shall become fatherless. This is not Emmanuel Mamba speaking. This is Exodus 22, verse 22 to 24. You shall not mistreat any widow or fatherless child, because if you mistreat them and they cry out to me, I'll surely, in capital letters, I will surely hear their cry, and my wrath will burn, and I'll kill you with a sword, and your wives shall become widows, and your children fatherless. Tell me in the comments if those words by in Exodus by our Lord our God are then. Tell me if those words do not carry any weight. Tell me. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.
SPEAKER_03Do you remember my father? He was suspended, or maybe asked to to resist the statement that he had uttered that he got taken to stage. Of course, I'm not supporting those statements, but I just want to use that that statement as an example. That man, it was God who was using him. So what kind of a leadership that the people were calling for. Together with it, uh, together with our chiefs, they should come out and strong, even where he has gone there. The chiefs in Wapola they should go name him publicly. And it's time that they should do that now. Thank you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. For those that had uh joined us earlier, because it's a second broadcast, we had suspended the discussion, but we're speaking earlier on the illegal postmortem that has been done on the late president. For five hours, they mutilated his body without the knowledge of the family or the lawyer. They were using a law that required them to repatriate the body, but instead they subjected it to this illegal uh uh postmotium. Alo caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_23Thank you, Babamwamba. Uh, this is Yangwe Dani. Bamwamba, my my appeal is for all Zambians. You see, the devil always wants to make people to fear when there's only one God that we should fear. Bamwamba, what has happened? They they think they have won. But what they have done is they have lost the battle. Because Bamwamba, even the scripture is very upright how you treat the widow, the orphans, the poor. In anything that has happened, any normal human being cannot support what has happened to the Lungu family. But in this midst of what is happening, I call upon all Zambians. When the brothers thought that they were doing him harm, but he's the one that liberated them. We let's not even lie to ourselves. What has happened? This should be that's something that we cannot even be thinking of, mwevantu. So that we should not fear evil that comes without us not knowing where he's coming from. Because we are the children of the most high God. Bamwamba, I submit, but I call upon every loving Zambian, kneel down on your knees, pray to God, and our God is going to lead us to the and is going to part away just like he parted the Red Sea. I thank you, Bamwamba. God bless you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. You are faint, my brother. Just a minute. You are faint. Let me just uh ensure that you are you are clear. Oh I was trying to increase the volume and I've cut him accidentally. My brother from Kabwe, I think. Please call back. Hello, caller.
SPEAKER_29Hello, Katabamuamba.
SPEAKER_37M Kwaimaio.
SPEAKER_29We have been listening. Like for me amaka.
SPEAKER_37Honorable Mumbi P. Let me just sort out the volume. It's very faint. Let me just call you back. And what is the problem with this volume? Okay. Let me try to call back. Okay, I've got one. I'll call one. I know, caller. Please tell us you had cut earlier. I think uh the volume was very faint.
SPEAKER_17Yes, yes, Mamma.
SPEAKER_37Yes. Yes, you are. Yes.
SPEAKER_17Yes, Mamma. We are very weak, and they can do anything that they feel they can do to us. What are the Tina French and Bishop?
SPEAKER_37Thank you, thank you. Thank you very much. That line is faint. I'm trying to sort it out. Uh allo caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Yes, you are.
SPEAKER_20Oh okay. Let me start with a song to give hope to the other caller that called, I think, me two days, because I had no energy. Who was saying to a pepa amatepo talewomba? And he justified he said he was not being an antichrist. God thinks different from us. Let me quote songoto malao. You remember I worked as a diplomat in Malao.
SPEAKER_37Yes.
SPEAKER_20And this song I loved it. Ambuye yesu Sama fulomila. Ambuye yesu sa ma chedwa. Ooh ye asakosa God will make a way where there's no way. But mwamba, why I couldn't speak, you know very well. Ine Mulupu alwandi when my son died in that Kawamwa horrible accident. Elo nachimona valela angama pictures. Is it true the pictures we saw those two women? They are kissed. Lungu was a king. You know, when the post mortem was done on my son, he was only seventeen years old. My husband's immediate young brother was a senior police officer, and he offered himself to say, Bam Dala, Nisha, in any capo colour. If he naji see the idea, let me go and witness the postmortem. My husband refused. He said, Do you know why? Because a year before he died, Adimu grade eleven. When he came, he was uh fifteen. Nalemu monat, I send himself in his first term of grade eleven in it naebatina kusam. Two three days now sandika, I sang in front of the father. At Bami Bushatuko Palifo in a no Bamula in Sandika, it was so touching. That's why when he died, a seventeen year old boy. That's he died at sixteen because he was supposed to tend seventeen. I don't want anybody else to see my child's nakedness, my husband with nest, my son's postmortem. Our country is as homuin at one and me, I haven't lost hope because our God is on the throne, and he told us when he was going, I'm leaving you with the Holy Spirit, which is among us, we then Zambia, to losing a hope. Let us not give up on prayer. We should talk to our God. It's easy to came.
SPEAKER_37Mayo it to land. In your case, especially that you are responding to that caller who said there's no need, prayer is not helping us. Maybe just briefly tell us how prayers helped you. You were, you know, imprisoned for over 428 days, and then they came and imprisoned you for another 90 days. People don't understand how you survive. Maybe just tell us the power of prayer.
SPEAKER_20How did I survive? If you remember very well, there was a narrative which was being carried on TVs, radios, Lawrence Banda hand bagger for the nayo. I did a grub for Mundi Eri Footy E I A Lawrence Banda. I can't go to Chanda because Chanda's case is by ADC Baba Lungo Bachid Kukot. Me, I'm even getting surprised. Because in people can say whatever they want to say. But in a josenda Landa Tina Lesa, from my childhood. The only child they had. Myself, who are the four of us? I'm the only surviving one who even has children. Even when the doctor said I can only have one child, they were even annoyed when I got pregnant. Because of your case. I can't explain. Maybe give me an interview. I give people what transpired to me. Mamu prison kumongu. The prison senior officer from headquarters. No, quizaland that me I'm being kept in prison because of Mumbiki. Give me an interview. I explain to you. That's why it's literally impossible. You know my heart, what I've gone through and what God has done for me. Narishivat, even if I died today for me, uh would rather go the way I am with no scandals. What will it reward me to gain the whole world the way the Bible says and lose my soul? Even if I live hundred years, Pano Pachalo.
SPEAKER_37No, thank you very much, Mama. Thank you for that encouragement. Yeah, because many people are very shocked. And I'll bring you on the program. Thank you. Thank you. This has been an emotional matter. The lines are open. Um let us uh uh uh let me take your calls. And um, for those seeing attacks on Honorable Makebizolu, you know, there was a period I was representing the former president um Frederick Chulua for 10 years. There was an assault on the late president, and I was his spokesperson, I was his first. They attacked me relentlessly. When you are standing for others, you are standing for justice. Those that want to perpetrate evil, they will manufactualize. So even as you pray and you're praying for the late president, pray for Makebizolu who's standing in the way. I have been through that for 10 years. And they want to scandalize your name so that your word is therefore not credible. They want to discourage you and discourage your family. They will manufacture all sorts of lies. And all I can wish to my young brother Makebizolu is strength, God's strength upon him, is doing a noble job. Um, he was in Zambia, he had to leave, you know, and he had to discover the body yesterday, you know, and now the whole country knows what happened. Things they thought they could do in secrecy. Philippa Welu, Mulanguakwa, Make Bizulu. So continue to pray for him. They will tell all sorts of lies. I have been there for 10 years. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from Bambe. And I've changed any power.
SPEAKER_05I mean some pulling ya, you mutu, and Yama should have Yomonitu allatina. Yumutuya, a cabo de choses, I don't know. I wish I was one day, I okay sula. I woke up in a policier. I have you a telepath. What you put your way. I want to find what I saw. I don't fala. I'm getting a while. I'm a Christian by the democracy. But I have a balancing. There's a demon, there's a move one that we said, thank you very much.
SPEAKER_37Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Hello, Cola.
SPEAKER_26Hello, uh.
SPEAKER_37Yes.
SPEAKER_26Greetings, Ambassador.
SPEAKER_37Oh, Queen Pumi, make your contribution, my dear sister.
SPEAKER_26Thank you, sir. Um, I hope everyone is uh doing well, especially the family.
SPEAKER_37Tatulate.
SPEAKER_26It's been so tough. It's like a second funeral. Yeah, yeah. But I have a few points that I jotted down.
SPEAKER_37Yeah, please read them.
SPEAKER_26Yeah, so number one, um talking about prayers, I heard the caller who was saying we should not pray. And to respond to that, I just want to say um, you know, the ministry of religious affairs was abolished upon this government coming into power. So we don't know what orders have been given into the church and the clergy because they are quiet. They never protested when the ministry was abolished, and we've seen people like Banevas Mumba, you know, he has thrown away his calling of Zambia shall be saved. So to that caller, I just want to tell you that some believe in horses, some believe in chariots, but we believe in our God. So if whatever you believe in, Kapepe nyuko pwini, naifomutuleke, tu pepe ni resa weso. Two, I want to pray for the strength for the Lungu family and the president Makebi himself. We pray for his strength and protection. This is a testimony to say this man is a true leader. He has already started behaving like a commander without being told, and he has gone there to mbi. Those people who are claiming if any powerfuku de keyalo, navalala mumabediavo, balerimbotuma statement ka Facebook. Shame on you. Zambians, this is an eye-opener. My kebbi is your leader. He only one nava mulusa ever minute. What is stopping from all these people who were empowered by former president to buy a ticket and go there? At least ticket. They had to see that. It wasn't the postmortemobia, are you strong enough to see it? No. They had to see it because by Sangamu situation. So e kukulakuriakwini, age na number. Is a behavior and they're assuming responsibility without anyone forcing you. So you have been eliminated out of the race. Then a Zambia won't say, Makebi nailango but stand with Mike B as a leader to lead Zambia because he is leading without even being told he's fighting for a widow. And those who are mocking my kebi, I can only say, shame on you. Then lastly, I want to talk about Benalwapula. Benalwapula Kwena Nadi Papa ineffia naamwin. I don't want to sound tribal and whatnot, but how can they be there celebrating when we have a second funeral? And the person who is at the center of this accused person is there laughing and smiling and doing work like everything is normal. Our Mozambian one di if this UPND, we don't remove them August. We are going to be worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. I submit. Thank you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. The lines are open. These two days have been emotive, and many people have been wanting to go and have been closing the program with so many unanswered calls. So call now and let's hear you.
SPEAKER_12Ambassador.
SPEAKER_37Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Anonymous, make your contributions.
SPEAKER_12Ambassador, inekwe na phone before a feokanda. Kudiva H Huwebata we money for bajita. Pakulanda, kwa wokovale, ve pa awena zambia ukwe twalefokpela, ba ICL, a dignified barrio. So watu langi shavena dignified barrio ni ne owale, baya iwe chtumbi. Bayach tuala kuli wa pathologist, bayach de paula, wachitofobale fwa, e dignified barrio. After kusunga awantu, ten mont save nevallefoku shika. Eva kenye. Bala ve po wufi, ukwevati yo, dignified baryo, dignified baru. Dignified barrio, eyoya chtika. Elo, on top of that, vadina wantu babu, obotuashwa tvadi batuma. Bachidavale tu kavalunggu. Kwena mwevantu imwe, tawakwa te mitima. Elo twala midumbula. Number one, chufia tayadi, tawakwa tamano, tawakwa tu mtima. Cela tukuta, tawakwa tamano, tawakwa tumtima. Afta fionsefu mach ta kuliba isiyewo immuwantet mule ke abantuba tushi. Mwach to fumualifuya. So chin sho mle tu kanina. Ukulalande fintu fivi. Uko fuma pawa mwamba. Nde nde landan efet slanda paliwa kwinpumi, abakulu wa pula navena batu, batu se banya. Umuntu ali kan sana tripoya fwyokisoko. Then leloisa bwe rafta bat sefintu. Ifya bulokulondoloka, kuliba president taba diavenu, mwa isakwena mwa anale lokia mukumu pokokerela. Ninch fincho fomleton tonkanya. Fincho fochika sendokweva tumuwia taba letu tekaba. Mwwa fumemu. Muchimule konkanyaku. Mwena zambia, apanga tamwamunio kweba tava inchitana, yi pwapanto kova tu fishanumba. Niko bubi, ba mbok tu mwenesha, ifintofobeta tama loza. So nidi sole mwevantumwa tu tubu kokumona tifinta fibuino, mweko kumu konko yumuntu. Au mwantwam Zambia chinje chinje nangu niinsala te ifichawa mamu afwaponinsala, ukuchido kukonko muntu ule o naude chalo.
SPEAKER_37Thank you, my dear sister. Alokola, please tell us your name and tell us where you are calling us from and make your contribution.
unknownUh good evening, my ambassador.
SPEAKER_30Um this is uh Dr.
unknownK calling you from Lusaka.
SPEAKER_37Dr. K from Lusaka, I seem to have problems with this phone. Dr. K, just give me a moment. Uh let me let me call. I think uh just a minute, Doctor. Because we can't hear you. Okay, I think we can now you hear you. Make your contribution.
SPEAKER_02Yes, my ambassador. Thank you so much. Uh I mean this day. Hello, are you able to get me?
SPEAKER_37Yes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think the past few days have been very, very difficult for us. Indeed, very emotional as a country. And uh the things that we have witnessed are things that we never thought we'll be able to see, you know, and uh experience, especially now. Yeah, so my contribution is we are happy to see that um the opposition leaders have spoken and we are happy to see that. I think by yesterday we were worried because we only saw Makedi Zulu going, and uh we thought that we'll see a lot of support from the opposition leaders, especially our fathers like Given Lubinda, umdubile, and others to come out so that they are able to, you know, unite. You know, in this moment it calls for unity and it calls for all of us to stand together and support the family as they go through this very, very, very difficult uh moment. Uh, if if it affected us like this as individuals, because we couldn't sleep for the past two days, uh, what more the family that is going through that? So I want just to thank you so much, Waimano Mamba, again, for giving us information and also for standing with the family. And I pray that um in this moment, at least the minute things are so bad, we can see that the leader is emerging. And all of us, we need to see that there is a light, you know, on Makedi Zulu, and we need to governize around him and make sure that we support him. How I pray that the opposition will come together and recognize that, because we know that there is grace upon Makedi Zulu to become president of this nation. So thank you so much, my manual member, and thank you for support.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Thank you. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_04Uh, good evening, Ambassador. Good evening. This is uh Robam here from Manchester.
SPEAKER_37Uh Robam from Manchester, make your contributions.
SPEAKER_04Yes, uh, thank you, thank you, uh Ambassador. Yeah, it's been very difficult to call. And um and uh we've been blessed with uh most of the callers, and you we understand the pain that everyone is uh is feeling now. Ramwamba, when Chabota called on your call, sorry, on your program, uh there's something that Chabota said. Chabota is uh he told you he grew up in the Adventist Church. And uh I have also uh grown up in the Adventist Church. And um I'll just tell you something that has happened that the way the Adventist Church has become now is uh especially most of our colleagues, you know, uh in church from from the southern part, like Tonga speaking, to be specific, exactly what Chawa was saying. Every time you put a post that criticizes uh uh the president, they've become like his spies. And I was even threatened by one of the of the people that I know, someone that I would never thought they would send me those kind of messages, but it's someone from church, and I've sat down, Wamwamba. I don't know whether you've been blessed enough to to go through the Adventist church in terms of how they do their prophecy and all those things, and I was asking myself if Akain de Ishlema was a Catholic, believe you me, there are Bible studies, there are Bible studies and their sermons in church will be filled up with prophecies and all sorts of things. You have your own person who's an elder, so you say he's an elder in the Adventist church. How's your message of prophecy now? When you talk to people in the church about LNG White and what's happening in our country, where you have your own elder authorize such a thing to happen to someone that did so much, some of you you even go in those same infrastructures that ECL built, and you have someone that will just come and do that to ECL, and you're quiet, quiet, and I have. Sent messages deliberately to some of my adventist friends, and I've put messages on my WhatsApp status so that they can see and I've told them this is the time for you to talk. But all the pastors, almost everyone is quiet.
SPEAKER_37Do you think Rob? Let me use the opportunity. Do you think your church has become partisan? Do you think your church, because um uh President Edgar Lungu is one of their senior members and has been privileged to be the first president who's an adventist, do you think they are finding it as a duty to defend him to the extent that they could even be disobeying the Bible and even foremost prophets like Ellen G. White? What are you saying?
SPEAKER_04No, because uh I'll tell you the truth, Ramwamba, is uh the church is in a very bad place. I'm not a pastor. But what what they what what they what they what is happening in the Atlantic church, yeah. People have stopped going to church, a lot of them.
SPEAKER_37Oh, I see. Okay.
SPEAKER_04And the reason is because of the politics. And where there are people that the people are divided, and some of them they're even scared to go to church. So, whatever is happening with the Adventist Church, remember, it was a church that used to give people hope of the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, but they have found and put themselves in a very bad situation. It's you know, you know, imagine everything about what happened in Germany, it's the same thing that they are doing. Their elder is doing something and what, you know what, they are quiet, and it's totally wrong because I know myself, if Again the Islam was a Catholic Bible study about every Sabbath, a Friday. But what the what what the whole church has is happening, even those that are going there now, I don't even know what they're going to do to those churches. Because for me, I cannot stand when the country is in a crisis, and this what has happened is here, and you are busy. How is life? You know, because in a in a in a in a feel like this is like like what someone was saying, it's like varung. And then you have to see, like, okay, what is happening here? People, we know what was happening in Wapura. It's what we call importation of uh of uh of supporters. Because we knew what they were doing with this whole thing, what Akainde HDM has been doing. He imports uh people to go to functions so that they look like uh they are there to embrace him and stuff. Of course, there was that nonsense man that was dancing and doing all sorts of things. It's things like that that people despise. But do not think everyone that was there embracing him and stuff, they went there like it was an organic relationship. It's not all manufactured. But the bottom line here is let us not judge a lot of people in terms of how they act around him and stuff, because I think it's I want to the people are shocked, they don't even know what to do. But for me, the only thing that disappoints me is where is the Adventist Church to condemn one of their elders? I know you have the power. If you think you have the power, you're the president, but you can't do it because we are Christians and we do not allow such things. But you know he's going to do it, and then next we'll be at the church uh giving them money to for church building, and they'll be okay, Mr. President, Mr. President. You know, and I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_37Let me just support you there. Um there was a video from a senior pastor from SDA Woodlands, and it went viral. He was extremely partisan, and I condemned him on my page. I'm glad that he came and apologized and realized that his message was uh partisan and they withdrew it. Um recently when the church was celebrating the Global Youth Day, uh the one that happens in March, a pastor from the northern region uh a picture. I think you saw my condemnation saying you for yeah, so I bought it on my page that this is not the Adventist we know whose partisan. There were people that were trying to say quenu is just street language. I said no. You know, it's like you know, Sotsana. That's already it could have been street language, but it's been adopted by the UPN and by the way.
SPEAKER_04I can send you a video of a famous uh a cappella group in the Adventist Church. They went to sing in Zimbabwe and on stage they were doing sorts of my god, they were doing so. I I couldn't even finish the song. They were doing sorts of. I just don't know what this guy has on him, on people because it's like people have stopped thinking. That church was was like very democratic, you know, like the way the PFEs, where people can express themselves when things are not uh going right and stuff, or they can challenge the leadership. That's what the Adventist Church has always been known, where people challenge ideas according to the doctrine. And whenever you have leadership, that is not right, people will always challenge that. But where we are now, it's like what Chabota was even saying. Well, like if we are members, we can criticize when a member does something, we'll criticize uh Mundubi, we'll we criticize Chruva. Even when Michael said they were criticized by their own people. But what's up, what we just want is we need more voices from the SDH to condemn what this elder is doing. Because if you're age, the SDA, they disfellowship someone for just going to wait for the people who are not going to be able to say this fellowship book for my church. And it still remains an elder. You're not even sitting at the church board to say, no, no, no, no, we can't stand this.
SPEAKER_37Thank you, Robam, for the challenge to the church. And for you, as a member of the Adventists, you have challenged your own church. That uh they need to condemn a wrong it is a wrong. Thank you very much, Robam. Thank you. Thank you. Robam from Manchester has raised a critical matter on the issue of the church. Everyone is saying the church, which is supposed to be the sort of earth, is extremely quiet on all these things that are happening. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.
SPEAKER_05Good evening, Ambassador Bamungkonge.
SPEAKER_37Bamungkonge, good evening. Oh, Bamungkonge up to come my god. Allo cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_15Good evening, Mamamba. Good evening, Anonymous.
SPEAKER_37Anonymous, make your contributions.
SPEAKER_15And uh I just want to quote what the Pope Poporio said when he was in Yes.
SPEAKER_37Hello Cola. Cola we lost you. You want to quote the Pope, what did he say in Cameroon?
SPEAKER_15Are you able to hear me?
SPEAKER_37Now we can hear you. Hello Cola. My brother, you are cutting quickly. What's happening to the lines? What's happening to the lines? Let's pick another caller. Yes, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.
SPEAKER_15Hello?
SPEAKER_37Yes, yes, good evening, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_11No. I won't serve for wood weed. Ich kala mbaba mwamba Kuringa if we are crystal. When Jesus died, all the followers, including his disciples, Bali Kwata Ichirichi and which Kalamba. You see the victorious when Jesus rose from the dead. That was a victory. Are you there, Mr. Mwamba?
SPEAKER_37We can hear you, my brother. Continue.
SPEAKER_11Yes, that was a victory for the Christ followers. Kavili. When the news was broken to his disciples by the women who went early in the morning to the tomb that Jesus is risen, it was the victorious. I know what the Zambian people are going through. I know what President Lung's family are going through, but we are all victorious in Jesus. Jesus is victor. Darkness and light, they will never mix. For whatever they did with the body of the Red President Lungu. Yes, for the short time that so victorious they can celebrate. What am I trying to say? The person who started the journey didn't reach the destiny. Are we going to reach the final destiny? Awatafia in shikwishinono. So echonde lombaku fikuena Zambia. Umuntu on so afia besambala chalukta mistak disappoint. The reason even others, our brothers Valeranda Pache, is the behavior of the church organization in Zambia that behaved. But bantun sefiawo. That's why it's a mundun sefitua vika femunilesa. Pantulesa ewa kuatamaka. You can have money, you can have power, you can have authority, but it cannot give you an assurance that tomorrow you are going to be there. You can ensure your life, you can ensure your buildings, you can do everything, but an assurance that tomorrow you are going to be there. So if you are stick a pariwa lungu, file. Let's give them an information what is happening. We want our church leaders to stand and proclaim the gospel, the gospel of love, dignity, and honor. Otherwise, tuala lenga wantuwa nenenu ke. Imeni. Fuale nifita fian kondo. Fight the darkness. Fight the evil. Show the love. Show the way. Mwe ve na chipata. Mweve na chipata. Kwa rama pra mount tifu wa wiku chipata. Edi galungwa ali mwana wenu. Mwali nanke. Bambiali mi perepunama gift mwaliwambe langwe. Mga lini lufienye mwele leniko. Kwena e shenu kumu pokolola. Hedi galungwa chula. A chula mpokolole ni. Le salemi mona. Gamwamupokolo edi galungu. Akamilambula. Bamwesa is so touching and heat. I can just send here.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Allo cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Allo cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.
SPEAKER_36Hello, good evening, ambassador.
SPEAKER_37Good evening.
SPEAKER_36Uh, new mungong yeah ambassador.
SPEAKER_37Bamkonge, Landani.
SPEAKER_36Ambassador in the land.
SPEAKER_37Yo, let's take a question to the pange chung. Hello, what munkonge? Oh, did you know any other person who's talking about this matter? I mwe lande pachi m kumine. Twilandapu wantwambi. Okay, now for the program wishile ni program ya kwa emanuamba. So leken tuleland, you should land up.
SPEAKER_36Mkwaifuna is in the board de kuyaku kumocha yoko naiki reciri ten. Banana kun kun tumana fi sangakum tela mushi. Banguchkurua. Mam fanfun tum anda bond the money for male. Mamba kuchnifany forbody bode. Mumba never body malifica. Mamani tumba tiven never bought them. Mamisha body, made mana. Bontimani, never killed the board, number. Zoomfika. Mamma gizum matinum keb zoom. Matoka. Mulumati mutaka match pitina, but you mutana chitina. Mulinaman to machinabitula. Mamma kimbi city monta. Matoka machinam toca. Mabutuka. Mamma combat. Police. Woman took a pombu. Police mati map. Police mocama free. Womanek. Maman send that quick. Muk send them. When some dear number police kill my kids. Listen to my cadire. Then if you tell you if listen to my cadire conakwini. So the monopoly manu. No, Kuria Kuisarekumfu. The monopolity, if you sanat.
SPEAKER_37Thank you. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.
SPEAKER_08Good evening, Ambassador. I think I will elect to be anonymous.
SPEAKER_37Anonymous, make your contribution.
SPEAKER_08Um I just want to add my voice to some of the things that uh one of the previous callers, Robam from Manchester, uh said about the about the um Seventh-day Adventist Church and the behavior around this issue. But for me, I think I'm I want to call out uh pastors and and ministers in the Pentecostal churches and in the evangelical churches. Today, I think I spoke uh to two of them on in the charts, and and one of them called me. The one who called was very forthright, and I understand why he can't come out in public to speak because of some some of the issues that he he spoke to some years back that he's still dealing with, but that proved that he was right. The things that are happening today are right. Uh, he was right then, and and what's happening today is proving that. Um, this other gentleman, a reverend, a very senior reverend uh in the Pentecostal churches, uh made a statement that was very shocking to me because in the middle of what we are going through, his position seemed to be that the family shouldn't have tried to embarrass the president by stopping him from attending the funeral. It was very shocking to me. Very shocking. And and and and and I I I'm hopeful that this may not be a general thinking with some of these pastors. What is worth pointing out is that pastors are too quiet. Including those who used to host President Lungo at their churches. They're too quiet. And um this is not Christ-like behavior. You know, I I I want to say that by being silent, and I hope some at least maybe one or two pastors are hearing this and and and I stand corrected, but I want to say that by being silent, pastors are doing the devil's work. Pastors are doing the devil's bidding, by choosing to be silent when a widow is being persecuted. Let me repeat this, and I I stand corrected, but I think I'm on solid ground. By being silent, pastors, church elders, and church members, Pentecostals all over, who are praying with with uh with Dr. Edgar Chacoalungo. They are doing the devil's bidding by being silent in the moment when the widow is being persecuted, because it is not up for argument what God's position or God's view is about a widow. Exodus chapter 22, verse 22-24 does not qualify the kind of widow God cares about. The only qualification is that she's a widow and she has cried to God. And those of you listeners out there who know Madame Estalungu, you know she prays. You know she has cried out to God. And those people who have turned their backs on her, who have chosen silence and convenience and comfort, okay, over speaking out. I want to say you fear HH more than you fear God. You fear HH more than you fear God. Check your hearts from the top bishops to the lowest members of your church. Check your hearts. You have errored. You're not walking in the will of God because there's no question. We cannot, there's no argument about God's position on the matters that relate to with widows and orphans. And God makes a very strong promise. He says, Your widows, your wives will be widows, and your sons and daughters will be orphans. Let me encourage pastors and church leaders that today choose to be on the right side. Uh Ambassador, I received a very strong phone call from one of my relatives, and they said, You talk too much on politics. Be careful. I said, Yes, I need to be careful. But think about it. If Taunda was careful, if Simon Mwasaka Pwepe was careful, if Chikuba was careful, if Mwanawasa was careful and they chose silence, they chose to hour away and hide. I don't think we would have gotten independence. I do not think we could have gotten the multi-party, you know, that we got in 1991. It has to take every Zambian, not Sam, every Zambian, to stand up and speak and be counted on the right side of morals, on the right side of faith, on the right side of the constitution, on the right side of life. Why would you fear a man who will die? Maybe tomorrow, maybe next year, maybe in 10 years, but guaranteed he will definitely die one day. You choose to fear that man and you don't fear God. Jesus said that fear God who can destroy both your body and your spirit.
SPEAKER_37Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_08It is very frightening. Let me just conclude by saying this, and this is an encouragement to Council Makebizolo. He has proven, to me at least, a quality of leadership that is very rare in this country. The ability to do something about it. The ability to do something about it. Too many politicians talk, too many politicians speak, do statements and press conferences with them, they do nothing about it. Council Makembi Zulu came on your show, Ambassador. He spoke two days ago. The following day, he did something about it. He spent money, bought a ticket, and flew to South Africa and started looking for the body, and he found it. He did something about it. That's leadership. If you asked me that, who do you think is the most outstanding leader in this country? I will look for the one who does something about what they say. Not the ones who are flamboyant statements, good English, organized press conferences. They are good. They need to speak. We need to speak. But I would challenge them, fill the planes tomorrow, and go into Johannesburg and see that matter through. Thank you, Ambassador.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Someone has alerted me to a statement that has been issued by a Lieutenant Colonel, retired Dr. Chombachama. The summary of it that he has justified for the post-mortem, that he doesn't need the consent of the family, and that there's no spiritual connotation to anybody. And um, he stated that in interest of the public, in interest of criminal investigation, the body no longer belongs to the family. I think that's the heart of this matter. So when I looked at the picture, then I remembered uh Dr. Chombach, I'm a young man from Kasama. He's a consultant, pathologist, and director. I don't know the circumstances under which he left the Zambia Army. He he went to one of the private uh uh companies and I mean private hospitals um in Rhodes Park. And now I understand he runs a diagnostic laboratory doing some uh uh some some diagnostic lab. And um recently you must have seen he was celebrating because I know him, you were celebrating the appointment when he was put to a subcommittee under the board of directors under National Forensic Authority. Credit to him is one of the few pathologists we have in the country, but his statements recently are totally opportunistic. Maybe the young man is looking for a job, so I don't even go into details of his argument. Look, if you have to do a post-mortem, there are legal parameters. You have to respect the family, you have to respect the state laws, you have to respect the body. The argument is totally flawed. I've just looked at it. It was published earlier, but someone has said, Ambassador, you haven't attended to it and while you know the the the colour of speaking, I quickly went to his arguments are folly. Totally folly. Yes, he's an expert, he's a pathologist, and I know him from Kasama. Uh he was in the army, I don't know the circumstances under which he left. He went to one of the private hospitals and now he's running a laboratory called Elite. If he wants a job, Ichilema, please give him a job, but don't embarrass yourself. You are young and you are a qualified professional, even you are taught in the manner. I've never seen doctors because you're a pathologist, appear at uh at uh Lepard Zio Symmetry, dig up a body and conduct a postmortem without a court order. I've never seen that. You cannot do what was done, and Munengo Le Fua N Chito don't annoy Zambians by hiding behind the curtain that you're a qualified person. Yes, you are a qualified pathologist, but every element there was broken. I've got so many callers waiting. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.
SPEAKER_09Thank you very much. Let me remain anonymous.
SPEAKER_37Anonymous, make your contributions.
SPEAKER_10I mean the president of the Republic of Zambia, and you see nothing wrong with him, then I question your calling. Ambassador Mwamba, what happened yesterday? I failed to sleep. I was telling myself at some point, did this happen or maybe it didn't happen, God? Maybe it didn't happen. This is evil to the core. There are no two ways about it. I've seen a lot of people uh from the other side. Me, I I stated clearly. The people whose you know blames have been plucked out, they see nothing wrong with this. They are they are disciples who have been, you know, trained and transformed into serious press singers, regardless of what is happening, whether it is wrong or right, they are going to crap and praise this man. But I want people to know, and I want this government to understand that they may be here on earth, and everything that they do, whether hidden in darkness, one day it shall come to light. Why there is a God above. God determines governments, he determines who is a king, who is gonna be a king at a given time. Flex their muscles, bully the widow, like they are doing. Their time for reckoning is coming, and when that moment comes, we shall see because God exposes things at the right time. They might feel they have victory right now, not win. If we boma, that that is their language.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Now this this this this this um this reminds me of um of when Christ turned up. What would Christ do if it turned up today? Well, you remember we overturned tables and used a whip to chase and beat these other commercialized his temple. Probably Christ would do the same today.
SPEAKER_16Uh Ambassador uh would even this is Mwewa, calling from Livingstone.
SPEAKER_37Yes, Mwewa.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, um first of all, Mwambande Perum ten the Kuma Gambens Bon Soko Vanga Wakonse Panosonde. Bamwamba uh you know if I don't fork what she fled because some of these things if you it's very difficult to digest them. Now, recently Bamwamba uh we read in the news oh Mr. Bowden Findre who they was abducted, you know, policy through by force. And the Babaud and Findre was one of the closest friends. Look at if you if you before Tatra ku fish ticket barung, money if you put it, penny. So now the the message is what are we what are we learning from this experience here by Edgar Lungu? What is the message? That's a question. So one and PFW. And for sure, but Edgarungu died fighting for uh the party, his party, the patriot, the party that we loved Mo. Now, um opposition political leaders, because now I think everyone has seen what we are dealing with. We thank God for the spirit of Dr. Edgar Chakwarungu. Not to money extend the wangafikako. Now, opposition Bamuzambia Tudoku bakateka move but it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter who are at U Lede Makebizulu Naila and the Karen Shila. What we what it is is that what I'm manifestos. Let's try to harmonize a manifestos so that to week a pamuaman for papata. You know, you touchwaniche.
SPEAKER_37Thank you, Bamua. You and definitely so I want to take as many calls as possible so that we can retire quickly. I came back to get views of people. Uh thank you, Bamu. I think your point is very clear. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Nameless, make your contributions.
SPEAKER_27Yes, Bamuamba. I would like to thank you so much for the job we are doing.
SPEAKER_01Thank you.
SPEAKER_27For those who don't believe in the word of God, I think they have to try their best very much to start believing. Yeah. There must have been a reason for you to be there. Last night my heart bled so much that uh I reached at the point of melting. You know, I had to uh to break out just to overload the attention. Immediately I hung up. The first thing that walked through my heart was the word of God. I bowed and prayed over Mama Esther to strengthen her and her family, together with those who I support. But the only thing, like I've always said, when I talk, I talk as a woman. A woman is by nature a giver of life, and therefore should never be subjected to any kind of punishment for no apparent reason. Whatever Mama Esther is going through is a sign of preparation. The Lord is watching, and the Lord is opening our way and the way for all of us. We know that Makebizuru has never left the family alone. This is what people should know. People should not pretend, and should people should not have you know a double dealings.
SPEAKER_37Who do you condemn? The one that has mutilated the body of the late president or the one that has been trying to protect it. Really, we want to protect the thief. Good evening. Good evening.
SPEAKER_07Yes, uh uh, everything that is happening, I think uh it's quite sad. It's quite sad because I know uh the family uh made the condition. They said they would not want HH to see uh Edgar Lungu's body. But now, as we stand, the question should be how many minutes is a flight from Zambia to South Africa? Of course, if HH was to see the body, you know, within eight hours he would have seen the boat by now, you know. So everything that is happening, uh, I think uh Edgar Lungu suffered, first of all, he suffered, he suffered defeat when he was alive. And then even in his bad, in his death, he has suffered defeat. And the cause of this is the family. Because they want to fight with a big man who is HH, you know? They're fighting with a guy that they cannot fight with. If I was Esther Lungu, if I was uh Tasila Lungu, I would have just succumbed to the condition of HH. Because they will not win this battle. Even if they go to the highest court, they are going to lose again. And they're just making this man to suffer. It's better they put him to less. They cannot continue like this. How how do you fight with HH? Honestly.
SPEAKER_37Why should the poor why should why should the poof man fight a widow? But but what kind of thinking is that?
unknownHow do you go with a loser?
SPEAKER_07Make a loser, he's going to lose just like the way Tigalungu lost. And his death is in his death, he's losing again. Because the church is not going to see his body, HH. By now, H should have seen his body because you're fighting a losing battle. And you should know that. By now, you should be tired of that. Okay. I'm just surprised. You're still fighting. What are you fighting? Are you telling me now, Muhammad, that H, if you wanted to see the body, you wouldn't have seen the body.
SPEAKER_37No, you have told us you have seen the body already. So we take that.
SPEAKER_07As the Lung family told us how a digger died. Did they tell us? Then I They're not the one who said he was poisoned. And then the South Africans are carrying out the postmodium. You are saying it's an illegal postmodem when they wanted to know what exact what happened. Is that what you are telling us now?
SPEAKER_37Thank you, my brother. For them, they are now telling us that HH has seen the body. There's no need even to fight a powerful man like HH. He has succeeded in everything. We wish him well in his power. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.
SPEAKER_10I'm just back. I just wanted to respond to that dog that just called. Sorry, I have to use this word. These things are animals, they do not have hearts. They do not have hearts. You know, they think we are all foolish. All of us Zambians don't think. You are animals. You are animals, you don't think. And do not take us for fools. We know what happened. Yes, he has seen, he has seen the body. You've just confessed there. But I want to tell you that it will not take him anywhere. Wind trap will not work in this manner. There is time for everything. His time for recording is coming. And you fools that support him will surely know and see that there is a God above him. Thank you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Indeed, some just come to annoy us.
SPEAKER_18Mkwai Awe, Bamwamba, Enefion Alalanda, Febade Saporta, Bamayoba, Estalungu, Na family abo, na tukose, tu kose mukupepa, tuli di rekurides sa. Ifi fia chiti kefia we me. Umuntufia uri won so abafienom fi wino wwino. Eta asumini she fifia chiti ke yo. Ififiena na anguma no mu nono. Ntua tu ebbo kwebatawe fifye na tafia weme. La gov menti ba leste fifio on so kwebati abantu wa mzambia eba de faye chitumbi uzambia. Edi an shi twa mfu de paseti. Problemu ma yu pnti badi kwa to bufi. Elo mufi kwati bon zenomba na wa joina. So nomba, ifefe vale chita, gabale chti daifufu ebantu. Twa di kwa ta zeten BC TV. Gala ishi depa zet den BC T V no kwebe chalo. Ukweba ti, tle k south Afrika, mk sendo mubidi, wwa president. Gatwa sendo mubidi. Tukatuwa la kuposti mote m. Ela efio twa ishiba kuno kuzambia. Ngama ista posti mote muntu. Io inede ku shika. Efeyotwa ishiba. Anesuba twebe kofimibi. So noba. Ifi efio wa tide fi. Na batushtapu address a zeneshen ukwebatifiya stikeni finefi. Takuri. Instead they went, they sneaked and took the body without informing the family. Why mwevantuwa kwadesa? Why? Because the family they are important. Balungu, tawafye wewa present. Twice, twice ever vote wavera mu president. Bad kwa ta family. Mamfu eni mwe, bad kwaata family. So family dia ineyadiwa very important. State we muntu yo send the former head of state. Baya, if the sefiwa ba chitena no mubidi wa lungu tatua ishiba. Mamo neni, so no ba echo ba upi ndi ba verele emotion o chinchi. Because naba wa guti. Elo sefiwa ba chitire naba mone kela. No baba yupiendi le keni myeve. Lesa kumulu eko awa. Elo lesa. Alo mfoku di la kwa mkam furwa. Nara nawam awam furiwa. Na tumfare tumpariamenti mwila lumbula yesu. Fwala fika piesa. Nombayasu fotowa nangu mumiti mashesu. So naangu mukanyye muste shani foto kala pepa. Bantu foto achete tekela muriyesu. Bambiwa tete tekela mumanga, bambiwa chetekelam sezi, bati foto achete tekela pali yesu. If if you ansitekala u pindi, you are very blind. Tamule mono kwebati resa nachi sumini sho kwebati mu ife paluelu, so that yawantuva mono kwebati, ifili mutalo chesu ni fini she. Waumfueni, so lama lungu koseni, umapepo, nesa, midesa, elole sa, takach injepo. Thank you, ma tivaniwa powerfu lesa, ewava pangide, elole sadi quatamaka. So to alamu napadi hina de some kuluninan. Thank you.
SPEAKER_37Indeed, the caller came on saying it's useless to fight a strong man like HH. And he says it just takes an hour to get into Joanne's back, and the president must see the body so that it's it is futile to continue to fight him. Let's bury the president. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.
SPEAKER_22In a tonal coaching, a lawmendo, you are some colour and to go to an Haddy Strongman. By Have a strong man. There's a company once. By Havakom. I chapter which you want to say to H you are mighty about to let you by you and give the much more tea. You want to paper by Hot Paper by Hot Papalesa, who are that's why the philosophical Hamwell, because if we are by Katie, who asanga as a Christian nation, and then even by eduka, by educare, by educate bombed, there's a techa. That's why Mwamwina said, Because I muman you wanna laugh, you wa kuapula, isule nya meso, isule ni amen sopaci, mwila koke poca koke msho. I mwenka sipange, i mumwama muna. Side chati on that mista preachi tribolismo. But ifi, imwechi tiki, awa ku awa kutiba echuko shenga ba chisa we kamu. You remember what they said. Kuriba by isio, isi o te chai kudiba dan kaliba e shaba sena febati pokele yo, u moon tokuno. Nomba imwe, na mumana no sa fiko. Nati na fitu pesha manu. Natu na na to lasha, imamuamulasha, muamula shanina, or rendi kuminwig line by. It's win yameso, but each nava muloka kuminway. Bamwamba in de lando chazandia. Fanny case zanzia chava move. Rom shadin wakabamu. Inikase fudu, that's one of found then generations to come. Chiatan kokula conka, but if one can go movie do one. Who should send the abakashi, but to one fashion, bakeshaw. Why does it we go for this woman? If you want any black, Yala, Elo the Mwenazan kebabi, Bamakebi wana wam, Bamakebi the Sami Pali, Bamakebi the Sami Chingidi Yoko Mubi. Thank you so much, Bamba Ambassador.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions.
SPEAKER_24Hello, good evening, Ambassador Mamba.
SPEAKER_37Good evening.
SPEAKER_24But no, could he wish you are machinal winner? HH is a stronger man or strongest issue, your sole. A war, the cane. H H Mwenda Bushiki, Abapano Pachalo, and I forbonse. For twenty years, Ale 1922, Ali Shokuba president, dance a dewe. Uh-uh. Naka Pati Kaishle Mbafekano first first come chuka kathekam. Basatabafa balunuba is an abubafu. No bawa sh kuvantuba lila no kutila mlewa ulu mushishive. Muchipingo h a pepa ku seventh day adventist. Bena wa yan shishiru kuba pepa. Muchipingo mari ba ishan fumuba king nebkatinesa. Bayambiyo kufi pango kutiila, eba abako, eba makeva manuba pangani filu fiakuba pepa, u kutibosemule wa pai shimu pepa, kuyul king nibkatinesa. Kwali kuna bakini heroid, aba pliema kupu pulusi, alendana mulam wakwe, gabam so shaku afwa ati, wwema nawanti chite fio lefu anchite kupele. Ulofumu machive embatutila ubufumu sendame. Timu kwebaka inde ubukata, mwala vi paisha. Mwala vipaisha. Ifufu lelan de chalo chyonse, tat fulwa, bati ukute mwa kwa lesa, kutiwa fumbifu kwasonte napaliya ka indukti likewe, sad putema buela kumutunse. Bosena vene kavesha, ba messenger wakwa ka inde, kavyye mi echtefi baya, bonsaba staffba high commission ku South Africa, kavyen mi ech defisha muse baya bayajajjita. Muleba langa, muleba tasha, a mutinach pokalina mulusa, ba South Africa nabunu one hour, two hours flight to Africa, Unaba Mona Kalech Tumbe. Kani mibu shwa imuwa sh kuvan to so komulina gunga mwafana kawa kumfaku. Ba kabe sha, ba dikana atti ha kaita dozent was to see the body, or told you Ima videos ya balupa youtube. Uki anani ule andata wants to see the body. So yo Afika, ulebati, kuti na mwana body kali. Tamwishim echung lela and nechumlewisha. Tamuene mwimcham sanguina gwema president. No bakuya wala ama politics, yea chalo chimbi, batu mama representatives ya justice, yea zambia. Uhiyawala echim fluongangam chalumbiambi. Tamle tina kuchalo cheno kufweshina. Wadium len that you are under president Hakainde. Uchana mkua tangu chinubu kwenanda na kumbi kuchana chamwe Zambia ni imamuwa rikumuchialo, uku glory shapeli president wenu tumava corruption muchalo chimbi. Ima mwala leen that hakainde is the strongest man. U buy breatwe to yu kungu miyambo. So, is so is your president hakainde, luku, mwamboya, the only secret, mu pashua kwale is the spirit of god, the breath of god in him inoista, in me in oista, and in you. So, umeku hambo in your supporting H H, umle mutalisha, imamu kamlofia, mwe om lenge akwite n H tip, which bajita baliwa lungu, it will follow his generation, his generations, even ten, twenty and beyond. Katapiami si soul kyapa. Go imwaomi one shingu apoli, you cannot be supporting if if you are kind. Thank you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_00Uh, my name is Anonem Bert. Ambassador, thank you for the work that you're doing. Uh thank God that God has called you for such a time as this.
SPEAKER_37Thank you.
SPEAKER_00It's so disturbing. It is so heartbreaking that a man that handed over the instruments of power of the nation of Zambia in peace, with integrity, who stood and led the country in prayer, who said no to the West when they insisted on conditional financing.
SPEAKER_25The man stood, and he stood for us as the people of Zambia. Somebody asked, what is to be learned Bama Mambi spoke so well, and I want to speak again on the issue of Ama Bo. We are children of the most high God, to whom all power belongs. We are children of God. When Stephen died, the church watched, stood by, and did nothing. Winston Churchill said, all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good people to stand by and do nothing. But when Peter was imprisoned, the church had learned we stood by. Once has it been spoken, and twice have we heard it, that all power belongs to God. The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdom of the Most High God. I say that to say this. Zambia must accept, look the truth in the eyes, eyeball to eyeball, and accept we are being led by a cult. I say it again. We are being led, ruled by a cult. When have you heard of sodomizing in prison? When have you heard of people's bodies being taken, being buried as though they were dogs without their families? And worse than that, ambassador, at least John Doe or unrecognized bodies have an audience. But this time we have lawmakers, police, special service men and women going to families and lying to them so that they can bury those people as though they were dogs. And if we had any doubt, guess what? God has laid there the foundation and shown us the roots. We have a speaker who can stand and dance. We have ministers who can stand and say our mission was successful. What was successful about that? Ask yourself. And if you had any doubt, again, another leader comes and says, We will fumigate and exterminate. Excuse me, ambassador. This is the language of the Nazis. This is the language of those who want to intentionally and systematically destroy. We say no. Let it be written in the earth and let all heaven hear it. We say no. And anyone who says anything that is contrary in parliament, where those who went before us lay down their lives, we say no. The name of Jesus is our strong tower, it is our banner, and we run into him. We don't let go of the cross. You watch. Ezekiel came and he said, Lord, the Assyrians have come and they have laid waste all these villages and all these fortified cities. And he said, Oh God, who dwells between the cherubs, see what Assyria is saying. Do you know what God said to him? He said, It has been written of old, of ancient times, that you, Hezekiah, will destroy fortified cities for every person under the sound of my voice. Who would have thought my chiruba could stand against KK? Who would have thought Mamugabe would be ousted out of power? Who would have thought that many Gaddafi today? Even their children were taken out. Psalms 109 encourages me. Let their praise become a sin before you, oh God. May they never find mercy because they have not shown mercy. May they be a desolate waste. We arise as the people of Zambia tonight, by Emmanuel. I'm telling you, we say no. We denounce every ritual, dedication, ceremony, and sacrifices. Numbers chapter 23 says they raised altars, shed blood so that they can try to curse the children of God. And we, as the children of the most high God in Zambia, we say no tonight. We renounce everything that has been done. And we decree and declare by the ordinances of God, oh Lord, arise. Lion of the tribe of Judah, show forth your hand. Lay bare your mighty hand, oh God. Let the scepter of the kingdom of the most high God swallow up their scepters. Yes, he is the lamb, but he is the lion of the tribe of Judah. And tonight we declare the lion of the tribe of Judah has prevailed. And the gates of hell will never overpower us. Yes, mwebanaba kwadesa chile karipa. Yes, taf there is no victory without a battle. I stand as the oracle of God upon the altar of the blood of the Lamb, and I decree again the lion of the tribe of Judah has prevailed. No gates of hell will prevail over Zambia. I thank you, Ambassador, and I thank you for all the people who are trying in their own way. If there's no opposition, thank you, Ambassador. May God give you strength, wisdom, and creative power. Where we're going, we need you more. Thank you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you. Thank you. Very powerful, very powerful. Uh, let me just take the last phone calls and we can close. I'll take the last three calls and thank you, uh Cola. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_22I just want to appreciate you for the work you are doing. You are doing so much great work, and um, each time I I see you doing what you do, you always remind me of the times I started seeing you with our late former heads of state. You have really been there and you have really saved diligently. Even if tomorrow came where you said today I'm gonna stand as a president, I for one, you are a man that I look at to say I can boldly go and vote to say this is a man who can lead Zambia. Because looking at how you have stood for the patriotic front, looking at how you have provided the Zambian people with a platform where to cry. Because sometimes I imagine if your platform was not there, ngatualepe menakuisa mwewant bakware. Um, if you have a mutima, umga, wavi pi shabuja. If you know, this m has done right now, this is something that he orchestrated a long time ago. He already played his cards, he was just waiting for a leeway. But the election de Falkland, I think the day before this issue happened, we have been praying with my team, where we just said, Today we are going to pray for our president. And from nowhere, God just led us to say, Let us pray for the soul and the body of the president, the late president. And lo and behold, the following day, this thing happened. So God spoke, we may not have understood, we may not have foreseen it, but it just came to be exposed to say, why did you decide to pray for ECL who is already dead? Because people were already going to attack that body. And what I must say is that whatever it is they want to use that body for, it will certainly not work. And wait, I'm gonna go to the house. Even people have got the audacity to be calling and coming to say things. I mean, what Zambia is this at this moment? Awa fiash waka wunda wa di landi, nga kuriu muntumka panga mistake. You could take up. Uwako naule chalo. Mweba nawakwali sa H H nashti jalo. And in this time, I can tell you mwema Zambianson te minwema gebi. You don't know the grace that you are calling on that man. This is the time that God is increasing the grace on Magebi's. Because God does not qualify, He does not call those who are qualified. He qualifies those who are caught. And many are caught, but a few are chosen. Make be is one of the men that are chosen. He is the chosen one, and that is why he's able to withstand everything. He's able to live. If you want so far each day I mo weat na mumfa boss land, if we then awaika. Where is the church in Zambia? Where is the Christian in us that we said we are Christians? Ubuntu Muzambia nabua. In right now, I can press even the president of Ghana. Because the president of Ghana recently, there are some issues that have been going on in South Africa. Where South Africans have started terrorizing Nigerians and Ghanaians. And their president, the moment he reacted on it, the South African government is already afraid where they know that all those shops like ShopRite, uh, MTN and things in Ghana, they are South Africans. You see, but this Zambian president, he'll hear something happening to his people and he will never say anything. He will just watch. We are being ruled by a nocotic kind of men in power. And these are not the people we want to continue to see as leaders. But congratulations, Uriwa Mutinta, because Upa wow echi echi. Because I don't know how she sleeps. Whereby right now, now we can fully fear if you are now. Oh my god, what did ECL do to that man such that he had to subject him to this? Today, I'm saying to the Zambians, especially who voted for this man, they need to begin to repent. Because the judgment of God is beginning to come on all the people that are involved in this situation, and all the people that have refused to repent for voting for this evil man.
SPEAKER_37Thank you. Let me take a I said the last two caller. This is a second last two call. Uh colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_21So finish tick to lila to let you walk ya. To left walk. Then to win kumakan location to video. Little Amaba Nessu Bamba Tamaka. Let's be Bamba Totelabu de Sale Mi Bala a chingidomenu. Elo baby catch definitely fan separ.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Let me take the last caller. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.
SPEAKER_20When I sang now ban to Mina over fifty videos. Bamwambani Tuma Balungu said it himself. Before Tamlisa la program Edish anyway, I don't know. I've sent it to you. Badirand never to lach the doubt, Lisa. Lisa takes his own time. I hope before Tamulaya Avanta Zambia by Uf and today I believe it. Do you know that what went through? It has reminded me of Mamamata's Vaku Uganda. When my husband was working in Uganda and went to a marketplace.
SPEAKER_19Are you listening?
SPEAKER_37Yes, yes, ma. You are on. You are on.
SPEAKER_19There was one martyr who was humiliated the way Balung has been humiliated. And me being a Catholic, Balung one day will be recognized as a martyr in Zambia, the way they have humiliated him. But often therefore never lungo for Valentin. The women of Zambia. Thank you.
SPEAKER_37Let me look for it. You've sent it to me. Yes. You've sent it to me. Yes. Okay. Yes. Let me look for it quickly. Thank you. Thank you. Please.
SPEAKER_20Good night. Bye.
SPEAKER_37Let me quickly download the video that was sent by Honorable Mipir. She sent it to this number, so it must be here. Thank you. Oh, today we're discussing uh the illegal postmodern was done on the late president. The illegal removal of his body without any legal or proper process and subject to an illegal postmoder. That was a purpose of a debate today. Thank you for all that code. You had to wait for that to go on FBI. You have to wait. Unfortunately, you know, we have to end the broadcast to recharge. And I apologize for all these people that are calling. Let's have another discussion, maybe on the God bless you. Let me look for this video that uh our president. I'll download it quickly, and I'll play it among the people that are playing as outro.
SPEAKER_35We speak not just as political actors, but as Zambians who understand the meaning of dignity, culture, faith, and respect for the dead. We find it extremely strange and public that a modem was conducted on the body of the president Dr. Guadorum to exclusion of his immediate family. Distinguished members of the press where is the morality in Rip the body of the former president in such a sick and suspicious manner. What was the motive and to whose benefit? Does this action by the state amount to the popular dignified burial? What was done to the motor remains of President Lungo is ungodly and unacceptable. It's simply evil. We are told that the post mortem was conducted under the pretext of the so-called criminal investigation. What kind of process is this that excludes the family? What kind of investigation occurred in secrecy when it concerns something as sacred as the body of the deceased? Let us be clear. If this process was lawful, if it were if it if it were about the above both, the family would have been present. The family would have been informed. And the family would have been put up. The fact that they were not leads to one unavoidable conclusion. Something is seriously wrong. When something is wrong at this level, it ceases to be administrative. It becomes national, becomes a national moral question. Fellow countrymen and women, how can what has been reported in the press almost amounting to the mutilation of President Lungo's body be justified as acceptable or consistent with non-posmodern practices?
SPEAKER_13I am my colleagues from the National Assembly because we know that we are coming from an institution which provides almost like as well as government would be up for people accountable. We expected that today either government would come to Parliament that we have. White. And when we realized that it there was uh that whiteness from government, I and my honorable young brother, the Honorable Mb from Khana, attempted to raise these matters through a segment called Urgent Matters Without Notice because we thought these matters were urgent matters that the state needed to address. So Honorable Bini Wamapundu went first trying to bring this matter up. He was cut out. I went in second and we were told in no uncertain terms that we needed to find another avenue. Now, if we who are people's representatives cannot be given space to speak on behalf of the concerns of our people, who else is going to speak to the people? I know that the state council who is we here was uh presiding officer and knows that that's a place is for us to go and talk on behalf of the people. Now, we wanted to remind the state that only a month ago, Mr. Murilo Kabesha, who is the attorney general of the Republic of Zambia, voluntarily came to the state, to the nation and informed the nation that despite the matter of President Edgar Chabarungu's remains being in court, they had started engagement with the family as government so that there could be some common ground reached. Now, we don't know whether common ground to be reached in Tao to go and steal a body. Because he's the one who came to the public. And so when we wanted to raise these matters was to question. Because unfortunately, people of Zambia, Mr. Muriro Kabesha, yes, we know he comes from the UPND, where he was a member of the National Management Committee. But he should know that the privilege has been given to save the nation as attorney general. He must stand out and not behave as an extension of UPND in government. We shall hold him accountable, regardless of what time it will take, for the lawlessness he's engaging in himself.
SPEAKER_14In our African tradition, death is the dead are treated with reverence. Families are accorded the highest respect in matters concerning their loved one. To storm emoji, emoji, seize a body and subject it to procedures without consent is not only unlawful, it is culturally offensive and spiritually disturbing and if a government can act with such disregard towards a former head of state, we must ask what protection remains for the ordinary citizen like you and me. This is a dangerous president. This incident set a killing president for them. That the state can override families at will, that court orders can be ignored with utter impunity when inconvenient. That truth can be manipulated through fabricated trade. That power can be exercised without accountability. This is not governance. This is unchecked authority, an extreme abuse of the people's power conferred on those who govern on behalf of the people. At this critical moment in our nation's history, I wish to make a solemn and respectful appeal. Firstly, I wish to call upon all church mother bodies, bishops, pastors, and faith leaders across denominations to rise and speak with one voice. This is a moral issue that transcends politics. The church has always been the conscience of the nation. To stand with the bereaved family in their time of distress, to remind the nation and its leaders of the sanctity of life, and death, to applaud Zandia's declaration as a Christian nation, not only in words, but in action. Silence at such a time.
SPEAKER_28Individual lives at home, community lives, and indeed the whole nation. God bless you.