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SPEAKER_00 1:29

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SPEAKER_12 6:30

So I only lamented that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying, No, we want to protect you. No, uh, you see, demeaning of the president to be seen to be going without this or that. I said, I I I I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I'm not complaining at all. The time that I'm complaining about, I said, you've shook me on everything by humanity, give me right. That's what I'm saying, give me now. One minute I will walk the street. Somebody says you can't walk the street because you're former president. You are in danger of being attacked, and people might attack you, and we'll be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. The next minute I said, But you really didn't know that I was former president.

SPEAKER_17 7:20

When you strip me of these things, I will know how no. No, no, every support from Southern Province. But some people they have given up. Now, if someone from Southern Province can give up, are you telling me that someone from Mosaka is lagging? When you yourself be water, loving you before this other province is loving you, you've given up.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

The remains of the six presidents have at no point been in the physical aspect of the government to Islam. They were held by the South African police. The duty the Republic owes to that office is not extinguished by a single order on the country.

SPEAKER_19 11:40

And I hope that you have network. We've had a momentous, literally traumatic past few days. Today we're privileged to host Zambia Must Prosper President, Honorable Kelvin Fubebuaria, renowned lawyer in our country, and he leads the Zambia Must Prosper Party and want to understand the state of the nation, their reactions to recent events. And we take advantage that is a renowned lawyer. He walks us through how an inquest is done, how a postmortem is done, and if what has happened in South Africa is lawful or proper. On the side of the family, using their lawyer, they've written to the South African government complaining deeply the manner in which the remains of the late presidents were desecrated. They've explained that first it was not done legally or lawfully, and that there's no court order in South Africa that compels the South African government or the South African police or anybody to conduct the post-mortem. They've also complained that the removal of the body was also illegal. Government and the Attorney General used the excuse and the lie that the Supreme Court appeal by the family had lapsed and therefore they had picked the body and ready for repatriation in accordance with the August 2025 Gauteng High Court judge judgment that they got. But instead the following day, we learned that they had taken it to a forensic pathological pathological center where a post-mortem was done without the presence of the family, without the legal or knowledge of the family, without consent by the family or the or their lawyers. And the government has been lying that no, there's a matter the police in South Africa have been investigating. True, there's a matter that is being pursued by an organization called Progressive Forces of South Africa. An organization that we've identified is working with the Zambian government. It conducted the first press conference demanding for the repatriation of the remains of the late president. And they've been marching in favor of the Attorney General in Zambia. We even identified at one of their press conference, press conferences, one of them was paid by a Zambian official we've identified as Yui. And Yui is also now associated with the collection of the body was the one that was present and at the ceremony to at an event to, you know, to conduct a post-mortem. The Zambian government have been involved. So the police have been investigating that complaint, demanding an inquest and demanding postmortem. Those matters have not matured. They are coming up next month, and there'll be a ruling whether that organization can be given mandate to, number one, conduct, you know, request that inquest hearing to take place. Number two, if a postmortem can be done. So the lies by the Attorney General that the South African police did this in light of criminal investigation is not true because there's no legal mandate to allow them to do a postmortem. And the judgment that they relied upon of August 2025 just mandates them to repatriate the body. And it had details of how the body must be collected and must be repatriated. Three people were identified to be with the body. That was Dr. Njovu, the personal lawyer of the late president, the former ADC, the ADC of the late president Bachanda, and any family member. They were to be present at all times. That was at judgment. So what was done, the removal of the body and the actual post-mortem remains a mystery to the family. Because what authority did the Zambian government use? So a letter has been written to the Attorney General by the family's lawyers demanding answers. I personally did a formal letter using my position as former ambassador in South Africa, knowing how South Africa works. I wrote a letter to the president also demanding answers why the remains of the late president have been desecrated. I'm going to bring in my special guest, uh Kelvin Fuwebwalia, the president of Zambia Mass Prosper. He's a regular on this program. But we bring him under these difficult circumstances to just explain to us what has happened. Mr. President, thank you very much. And I noticed that you attended the funeral, the memorial service or remembrance service that took place at Press Christian Center to remember the late president. Thank you very much for that gesture.

SPEAKER_20 16:42

Good evening, Ambassador, and good evening, views.

SPEAKER_19 16:45

Mr. President, we are discussing the state of the country and the recent events really have just shaken us to the core. And uh Emmanuel J.J. Banda, former Petaoke Independent MP, didn't even help matters because yesterday he disclosed that he was actually initiated, you know, in a secret cult that is the UPND, most senior UPND members belong to. And he revealed certain things that shock the country. We are in such a state of shock. I don't know how you capture these events, Mr. President.

SPEAKER_20 17:26

Well, it is very disheartening to note that as a country we have our morals deteriorating at every twist and turn. Especially with regard to the remains of our late president, Edgar Chaguanung. You have clearly said in your introduction, and I agree, that as it stands now, there is and there was no legal authority for the Zambian government to have access to the body of the late president, let alone to perform or have a postmodern performed on his body. Let me just explain a few things legally so that Zambians can understand how things are done from a very strategic and accurate legal position. Inquests. And the reason why an inquest is called usually is because somebody has to complain to the police in that particular country, suspecting that an individual who is now late died under mysterious circumstances. An order for such an inquest must be granted by the presiding magistrator. Evidence has to be taken from witnesses who have to give factual, and I repeat, factual evidence about what makes them believe that they have reasons why the inquest must be conducted. Usually inquests are conducted when a murderer and the family member friends and relatives or indeed approach. The deceased must be named. In this particular instance, I am aware that the group that you mentioned in South Africa moved the Majesty Court. The last hearing of this case was on the 31st of March. And the matter was adjourned to the 29th of May. Today we are in April. So the inquest has not been concluded, and the magistrate has not given his orders or findings as to what happened to the late president Edgar Chagonunga. It is only after the inquest is resolved. Evidence is heard, the persons giving such evidence are cross-examined, that the court arrives at what we term as judicially tested. Facts which have been basically tested, the veracity of which have been tested under cross-examination. Why is this important? It is important because we don't want people to come and start telling stories. Because this is possible. Especially that it is a politician who was there. That did not happen. So how Is the Zambian government under the voice of our Attorney General, who is the leader of the Zambian bar, claiming that the body of the late Sixth Republican president Edgar Chagualungo was under the control of the South African police. There was no order based on that inquest. Further, the inquest can direct after the trial that a post mortem be held to determine the circumstances of how a person died. But this usually happens when the matter is one of the allegation of poisoning. A toxicology report has to be presented by a qualified pathologist. Now let me just dig a bit deeper. When I was a junior lawyer at legal aid in Zambia, I attended three inquests at the UTH. It is not a pretty sight. What happens in the morgue is that the pathologist comes in, there must be police under the order of the court, there must be police present, witnesses from the family involved, friends, or anybody of a witness in the court to testify as to what they are seeing. What happens in the morgue and the machines used. It looks like a butcher ripping up a chicken and cutting to pieces the body of a human being. They open the skull. The brain, the lungs, the stomach, the liver, and indeed sometimes the pancreas, the intestines, these tissue samples will have to be taken for laboratory testing to establish whether or not this person died from poisoning or something else. If it is an injury, the pathologist needs to examine the injury and establish for the purposes of the court the type of instrument, weapon or blunt object that was used, which resulted in the death of the person involved. If it is bullet wounds, meaning if a person was shot, the pathologist needs to go into the body and go and remove the bullet as to where it was lodged, in which organ, and if any organs were damaged in the body of a person, all that has to be in the report. This report is witnessed by the police and the witnesses, and then the pathologist has to sign out that he or she conducted this particular postmortem, and these were the results and findings. In our particular case, I am sorry to report to the Zambians that I have spoken to a lot of doctor friends, and I have friends in the medical profession, and they have indicated to me that it is almost impossible at this stage, ten months after the death of our late president, to have a postmortem conducted, even if the postmortem inquest order was granted, and have a proper result. Why is this so? It is so because, according to medical science, the way the body was preserved, the temperature at which it was preserved, the organs of our late president collapsed. Even if there was disease, even if there was poisoning in the body, it is almost unlikely that the pathological report doing a postmortem today, ten months after the fact, could find anything meaningful to report to the magistrate by way of an inquest or a postmortem report.

SPEAKER_19 28:29

Mr. President, you are raising fundamental issues, and thank you for the guidance. You know, of shock to many Zambians is who demand uh for a post mortem or an inquest. The family has a death certificate that was issued by the doctor that saw the late president. And that death certificate has been given to the Zambian government. And it's so surprising that strangers are asking for an inquest. Is this normal? Can anyone come up and demand for an inquest to be done on your body? I don't know what you would say to that process that is currently happening in the Randburg Magistrate Court.

SPEAKER_20 29:18

A very important question. In my legal experience, and I speak with humility, my humble experience here takes me to 40 plus years in the legal profession. An inquest is always demanded, usually by the following persons. One, the family members. When they are suspicious that their loved one met an untimely death, or the circumstances under which their family member died cannot be explained. Or, indeed, if the police find a John Doe, a person who they can't identify by name or other circumstances, then they think something is wrong with this body, and maybe we need to begin investigations. The other people that can ask for an inquest are friends. Those that knew the person who last saw him alive, and then see his body by way of identifying him in the morgue, or if they are called by the police to identify, and then they say, This is not how him the last time he was with us, or if circumstances were from a social event, for example, if a person was attending a dinner, a celebration, and then suddenly he collapses and is forming at the mouth, and witnesses are able to say he only started forming at the mouth or started vomiting after he drank X substance. The drink, the food, and everything surrounding the circumstances of the last event of that person have to be taken for lab tests. Toxicology reports have to be written. So, in answer to your question, Ambassador, it is usually the family, friends, or people who have an interest in the body that has been found. They are the ones that ask for an inquest. Any Tom Deacon Harry cannot come and ask for an inquest over a person who they have no interest in and over whom they have no relationship with. It is very strange in this current situation to have an NGO or a group of persons from South Africa demanding for an inquest. They must have been sponsored. I believe they are sponsored by political force to the late president.

SPEAKER_19 32:41

The circumstances remain shocking, Mr. President, in the manner this post-mortem has been done. You issued a very strong statement, and I'll look for it, I'll play it at the right time. You cited that literally what government has done is just not only illegal, but is also culturally offensive, and uh it has desecrated the body of the late president, and it has injured all of us as a nation that such such such acts can be done where you literally steal the body of someone who is not related to you and conduct this post-mortem. You issued that strong statement. Yes. What should be done? How can people be made to account today or one day?

SPEAKER_20 33:35

Another important question, Ambassador. Let me put this in context so that the Zambians follow us. First of all, there is no order granting the Zambian government today access to the body of ECL directly. I know that they have claimed the August 2025 order as one which gives them the right. Let me just go deeper here so that you understand how an execution of an order of the High Court is conducted. This can be either by way of an eviction notice against a squatter or notice for a tenant who hasn't paid durant for somebody against whom you have a judgment and you have to execute using the sheriff. What happens at law, and I believe in the circumstances we're in, and even in South African Roman Dutch law, the events are the same. Unless, and I repeat, unless court had issued an unless order, let me state this as a repetition. Unless the court issued an unless order, even if the court has directed that A B C D done by this point and that point in time, you cannot simply say because the time has lapsed, I am therefore going to execute this court order. It doesn't work. What is an unless order? An unless order is a specific order given by the High Court saying that unless you do ABCD, this and this will follow. If there was no specific directive by the court, it means even when the order granted by the court lapses, you go back to the court as an aggrieved party, and you move the court to say, My lord, my lady, you directed us that by such and such a day under your directions, this and that should happen. My colleague on the other side has failed to follow your orders for direction. And therefore, I am now asking that you grant me an order to do X, which was supposed to be the result of the failure by my colleague to do what you are directed. That is how in a civilized country the law operates. In this particular instance, I am aware that the order, as you correctly, observed, Ambassador, in your intro, had a lot of benchmarks that needed to be fulfilled by the Zambian government under our attorney general, giving directives to his advocates in South Africa. For example, the presence of the ATC Bachanda, the presence of a family member, the execution to be done by the Sheriff Republic of South Africa. These three were conditioned precedents that needed to be fulfilled before any execution. And this had to be done under the direction of the court. We are no different legally from the South African Roman Dutch law in terms of its execution of court judgments. I am aware from my relationship with colleagues and those that I've asked from the South African bar, and they've told me this is unheard of. So I want to challenge our attorney Muriel Kavesha. He can claim, or he can claim, that the Zambian government was not involved in this matter. My answer is stop lying, Attorney General. Stop lying to the Zambian people. Christian, you are my friend, and you are a reverend. That is how I know you, Mulilo. And just for those who may not know, I don't say this out of spite. Mulilo is a dear friend to me. I was one of his best men at his wedding. So when I speak, I don't mean this out of malice. He's a friend. But on this one, we have differed on principle. He lied. The Zambian government was in control of the body of the late president. The Zambian government charged, and that is why our Zambian officials at our embassy in South Africa were present. How does the Attorney General explain that members of our embassy were present if he wants to make it seem like only the South African government police were present? It doesn't make sense. And it's not going to convince me or an ordinary thinking Zambian that the Zambian government was not involved. It was.

SPEAKER_19 40:00

Because you know the body of the late president missing is such a big issue. And it just set social media ablaze to the extent that the attorney general came and issued a calming statement. And he said, We have the body. We have the body, it's in our custody, and it has been taken to a facility. He didn't issue a one-line, it was an extensive statement calming the nation that the body has not been stolen, that the body has been possessed in their custody using the High Court judgment. In fact, he he lied that the High Court had now released the body to the late president. And then two days later, you saw the statement he issued where he absorbed himself that at no time has the government ever had custody of the body physically. The two contrasting statements, I think, also have just annoyed everyone that we are treating such a serious matter like it's just a matter for propaganda. When there are families at stake, there is a matter of the former president who was, you know, uh commander-in-chief of the armed forces, who was president for seven years. You know, there is pain to the widow. You can't treat this matter in such a fashion as the two state, two contradictory statements show. You can continue, Mr. President.

SPEAKER_20 41:26

Thank you, Ambassador. Like I was saying, and I totally agree with your observation. I think the problem with the UPND government, and I say government because the Attorney General sits in cabinet. I am aware that Munilo Kabesha has been frequenting South Africa in the last month. I am also aware that he has made several trips to consult with his lawyers. I am aware that he is under extreme pressure to impress the executive arm of government here. And these are the circumstances under which Kavesha was operating. So initially, when he came, gave that calm, soothing statement that they were not, there was no worry, the government was in control of the body of ECCL. That was the correct position. The second statement which he gave, unfortunately, it is a lie, and it is one which is intended to camouflage what transpired, because now we understand the gravity of what has transpired, especially that the chief pathologist, Shirley Gina Stewart, is a government pathologist in South Africa who the Lungu family did not give any permission to. As you know, every ambassador who is accredited to another country is called His or Her Excellency. He is a personal representative of the Republic, meaning the president or the government from where he. From the government here. Meaning, our president Again Deichilema knew what was happening. He gave those instructions. And he said, Go ahead. Fellow Zambians, we must not be lied to by this government. This government is a government of liars. We have demonstrated time and time again. This is a lying government. Let that sink in. So when the attorney general of this country comes and begins to lie and say, at no time did the Zambian government have possession, the South African police could not have had the guts, and I use the word loosely, could not have had the guts to touch the body of a former president, commander-in-chief of another country without the sanction of the country which claims to have the authority over that Murilo Kabesha, Again De Ichilema, and the entire UPND government knew exactly what instructions they had given. Whether they were present physically or otherwise, this whole saga was conducted under their instructions. There is no way the South African police, this sergeant in Gwena, we're reading about, could be swearing affidavits and moving a postmortem and commanding the chief pathologist to go and conduct a postmortem without some backing. And I'm sorry, I don't want to be vulgar here, but I'm trying to express this in the deepest sense so that Zambians understand that this sergeant could not have had the guts without knowing that he has the support from the highest office from Zambia. Munilo Kabesha was representing the cabinet in which he sits as ex-official. He did not travel to South Africa without the permission of the head of state. So what nonsense is this that he's trying to cook up and make us believe that he didn't know what was happening? He was not in charge of the body. No. Mwana, stop lying. Come on. Even if you want a job, if I were you, I'd resign tomorrow.

SPEAKER_19 47:05

Indeed, those are strong words from a dear friend speaking from the place of love. Like you said, you were on his wedding lineup, so you are speaking from the place of sincerity. Clearly, they've desecrated the body of the late president. Mr. President, let me use the opportunity before I let you go on just key issues affecting our country. Number one, there is worry that Zambia may not hold democratic, credible, transparent, free and fair elections because of what is happening. From you being stopped as political parties from holding political rallies, to creation of new laws like cyber laws, the enactment of Bill 7. And currently there's even a very bad law, the electoral process bill, which somehow, you know, restricts the participation of political parties in elections and giving a lot of powers to both the Electoral Commission of Zambia and the Registrar of Societies. How are you dealing with these threats against the hosting of free and fair elections? Mr. President, of course, you know, to our dear viewers, they may not know. I met you, I've met you before, but actively in the field. I met you in 2006 when we're planning for the election of President Michael Sata. You have been dealing with the electoral process in our country from a long time ago, and you've participated very actively in elections. What do you make of all these maneuvers by President Hakainde Hilimafese to control, you know, institutions of democracy such as the judiciary, parliament, ECZ, the Zambia police, and also then to enact these laws that just are literally disenfranchising and threatening all of you your participation in elections.

SPEAKER_20 49:09

Now you are touching the meat of my expertise. Let me begin by saying that what I sense from what the UPND government is doing today is fear, desperation, and of course, a sense of confusion by the UPND government. Why do I say this? I say this because there's an old saying, Ambassador, that if it's not broken, don't fix it. What is it? What is the mischief within our election laws that the UPND government wants to fix at the eleventh hour? From where I sit, with the greatest respect, nothing. But let me say this: all these maneuvers by the UPND government is pointing to one thing: fear of losing an election which is supposed to be free and fair. I want to state that we have had these kind of fights before, and we know for a fact that Haga Inde Ichilema knows that he cannot win any election if he doesn't play by changing the rules. But I will repeat, even with the change of the rules, I am called the game changer. And we are going to change this game. What the UPND government wants to do is to marry the laws that they are enacting at the 11th hour and perform what is now being termed as the Tanzanian formula. They want to ensure that they give an advantage to the UPND. All these laws are meant to stifle and reduce the democratic space for us as opposition. Just today, you may be aware, Ambassador, the inspector of police, who is not a politician, does not run a political party, goes to issue a statement which is quite worrying. But it is a statement which I pray that my colleagues in the opposition read and understand. The inspector Jolice says we don't want anybody making noise. When you're disqualified, you have been given a certificate of adoption by a party to which you don't belong. Now the undercurrent there is they don't want to use the registrar of societies to issue this statement. And say, if you come on this, we prepare you and we shall deal with you. You don't begin to issue threats unless you know that you have already lost an election, which is where UPND is sitting. Now, the other thing which is embedded in this statement, which I pray that my colleagues in the opposition read and understand, is basically a statement which was made by the Electoral Commission of Zambia chairperson Bo Mwangala Zalomis State Council the other Friday when we met at Mulungushi Conference Center as political parties. She said, We shall listen to the institutions that have been given who stands. In other words, the registrar of societies becomes a very pivotal player in the intercoming elections. So if the registrar of societies, for instance, says ex candidate is not a member of this particular party on which he claims to be a candidate as president, that would be the end. Second, and hidden underneath there was another statement by the ECZ at that same meeting that we are not going to announce whether or not a candidate has had his candidature accepted for nomination, and after two, three, three days after you file out, you will recall, ambassador, you and I know we've played down this avenue before. We escorted a presidential candidate. The nomination period period will closed and not reopen it during the previous arrangement. If there was a mistake with one of your candidates, for instance, if you're running meet certain qualifications, you could not change immediately. That proposal will not be there. Equally, in the reverse order, if the president is found wanting and is not a member of a political party, that's what he wants to stand on. He can only be told to do three days after the fact, after which the nomination period would have closed. We know these listen. Statements such as this one coming from the Inspector General of Police today. So you can satisfy all the conditions, but you will be disqualified because the Electoral Commission will simply say, we have been told by the Registrar of Societies that X is not the president who is registered at the Registrar of Societies for this political party, and therefore he cannot sit on this political party. And this is where it's going. A lot of our colleagues are going to be disquiet. But you would have lost a hundred thousand quachab, which is non-refundable, you would have wasted time and effort to mobilize a hundred supporters in all the ten provinces, meaning one thousand people, and they want to double check. Another condition which was discussed in that meeting we had is that they want to make sure that in the pre-processing of the hundred supporters in the various provincial capitals of this country, Kasama, Mansa, Kabwe, Ndola, Mongu, Joma, Ching, etc. When you put your supporters in one place, they want to make sure that only people in that area in that province can claim that they are supporting this country, and those will not be transferred to another political party or another candidate. These are tricks. I can be registered to vote, for example, in Lusaka. But I hear from Muchinga or Northern Province or Luapula Province or the Copper Belt province. What would be wrong with you examining me here when I say this is my registration certificate and this is my NRC. This is who I am. It is cheaper, it is easier. But all these tricks we have studied, Ambassador. Let me give some comfort to the Zambians now. Where we are, my fellow.

SPEAKER_19 1:00:00

Like you are saying, the changes at ECZ and Registral Societies are very worrying to our people that candidates may be stopped, and that the UPND could be using it as a trick to stop those that they perceive to be strong candidates. Number two, the amendments, especially in the electoral process bill, that is required that when you vote, you leave the polling station immediately. Remember in 2011, you and President Michael Sata even went to the extent of telling voters to come with their own pen and to guard their vote. You know, you had formed an organization to protect the vote and you schooled the voters to protect their own vote wherever they were. And many people at many polling stations across the country waited and counted with party agents and party officials. And there was no chaos, at least the results came out credible. Mangala Salome, who you know is an expert like yourself, who has headed the electoral process reforms under President Manawasa, and she was a lawyer, she's handled various electoral petitions, seems to be abusing her knowledge to disenfranchise people. She's saying in the electoral process bill that when you vote, you leave the station because there'll be party agents. And then we know what happens to party agents. The UPND, as you have seen in recent elections, have been beating and removing party agents from other political parties. The ballot papers, the electoral process bill is proposing that you remove the security features, the watermark, and the signature that is signed at every ballot issued to a voter. The electoral process bill is proposing to remove that. And then there are these threatening statements you've talked about, the inspector general of police and others that are literally threatening candidates and threatening voters. It is beginning to create an atmosphere of despair for our people that maybe we may not even need to vote. Please give that comfort you wanted to give to and demonstrate why it is important that people should show up, vote, and protect that vote.

SPEAKER_20 1:02:20

Thank you very much, my ambassador. We know from what the UPND has schemed, and we understand where they want to take this kind of electioneering. But Ambassador, I I am sorry, I may not go into details of what strategic measures we are going to put in place to block these kind of things, but we're already working behind the scenes so that this does not happen. Remember, I'm a candidate in this forthcoming election, so I'm even going to work even harder to make sure that we block whatever machinations the UPND is going to come on. But overall, we are still going to train monitors, and they should be allowed to be in the polling booths and the polling stations. We are still going to train polling agents who will be accredited to ECZ, and by law they are allowed to remain in the polling station. With regard to leaving, it is normal that when you vote, you must leave the polling station. The law is that you must not be within a hundred meters of the polling station. So what we're going to do, just one measure, is that we shall be 110 meters away from the polling station. And we shall wait. Our polling agents, our monitors will be in the polling stations. And we shall make sure that they are accredited, they are trained, and they should raise what we term in law as a you and cry. Immediately, they sense any kind of discomfort or any kind of place they are not comfortable with by the UPND. We are going to establish legal teams to fight on the spot, but there shall also be political pressure. Remember, as a candidate, I am allowed as a candidate, any member of parliament, any counselor is allowed to go to the polling station, and if it is launched, he can enter that polling station, sign forms, and that component has to be dealt with. If we shall need to stop the voting and suspend it for a few hours until what we want is dealt with, that will be done. And we're not playing because we know the UPND is desperate, the UPND is fearful, the UPND is basically decimated right now. They're in commission. This is why they are changing all these laws and all these things that they want to do. You mentioned, for instance, Ambassador that the electoral process bill has got so many provisions. It is unfortunate that even at the last meeting where we met as political parties with the ECZ, the chairperson of the East Homo Angala Zalomis State Council was discussing this electoral process bill as if it is already an act of parliament. She was challenged, I think, by my older brother, Honorable Coppolandi, who said, But this bill is not yet law. And she said, You shall ignore this bill at your peril, because this is the bill under which you are going to vote. I found that strange. For a lawyer to make such a statement, a state counsel, and she was almost being rude. Let me just say she was rude. The Honorable Sebastian Coppola. She asked him to sit down like a small boy and said, We are taking care of those things, blah blah blah. Look, I understand she's working under pressure, but she must understand further that the Zambian people need comfort going into these elections, and the behavior of the chairperson, including the CEO and the elections officer who was conducting the ceremony, in certain instances, not at all times, but in certain instances, was unbecoming. Their behavior demonstrated very clearly that they came with a position which our view showed that they had come within structural after deliberations, and they want to thrust everything they came with down our throats, like we've never run elections before. You know what it is to run against incumbency, and especially if an incumbent government is trying to play tricks and trying to play unfair. So let me warn. Only the president of this country enjoys immunity. Only you and your commissioners, you have no immunity. So when the tables turn and we come after you, as the tables will turn in August, don't blame us. It's not a threat, it's a friendly warning. Behave yourselves.

SPEAKER_19 1:09:17

Two last questions, Mr. President. One is the issue of unit. I'll come to that. But the opposition and many stakeholders have expressed worry at the composition of ECZ that in its current state, despite what we've all discussed, there's even a nagging issue that the current state of ECZ cannot conduct democratic, credible, transparent, free and fair elections. Why? Because Mwangala Zalomis herself has been an active member of the UPND. McDonald Chpenzi established, you know, former FODEP, and he has tried to aspire as a member of parliament for Siervonga under UPND. Then you have Brown Cassaro, who's the chief electoral officer, and Dr. Collins Kachaka, both officials, you know, for Mr. Brown Cassaro. Remember, even at his appointment, the opposition, including yourself and Dr. Fred, even wrote public letters that Mr. Brown Cassaro was not qualified to be chief electoral officer of ECZ. Because of that complaint in 2016, where he was accused of trying to rig elections for the UPND. Now he's in charge. The composition of ECZ, even in this late tower, is there a hope that it can be changed to inspire confidence that it can be a neutral body? It was actually even the flames were fanned worse, you know, like Petro was poured on when the president appointed Zefianji Sinkala, a UPND official from Oansha. He's a young brother, he's a lawyer, you know him. He was even aspiring to be a member of parliament under the UPND, and he also wanted to be in the National Management Committee of the UPND. He's also been made to join the uh the ECZ. Maybe I ask answer that question, then I come to the issue of unity of the opposition uh after you've answered that question, Mr. President.

SPEAKER_20 1:11:23

Thank you, Ambassador. I don't want to give a gloomy picture to the Zambians. We understand the composition of the UPND Electoral Commission, and we know that they are all cudders. We know that. We know that for a fact. They are all cudders, all of them. I have a relationship, or at least I had an incident with Brown Cassago. I don't trust him. McDonald Chippenzi, I don't trust. Even this boy who was appointed recently. I don't. But when you are fighting a war, ambassador, we must be very strategic. And we must make sure that everything that we do, we fight within the law. But sometimes we may have to em tactics which the ECZ must not be taught on here. I say this.

SPEAKER_19 1:12:41

No, I know. A general never reveals his strategies. You are a general, and no general reviews his strategy. We are confident, Zambians then are confident that you, the opposition, you, Zambia must prosper, are participating in a process to protect the vote. I understand that. Let's come to the issue of unity for two reasons. Zambians are saying you need to pool your resources because of the magnanimity of the work that is ahead. We have 12,200 polling stations. We have 1,875, you know, council position, counselors' position. We have 226 constituencies, 116 districts, 10 provinces. Running that in mammoth elections is quite difficult, resource-wise, both financial, technical, and human resource. The Zambians are calling on you to be united. Number two, Zambians have been demanding, you have been on this platform, Mr. President, before. They're asking you to work together and if possible, present unified candidates. It's a matter we've been to rekoma ilapo, no mwakawa. I don't know where you are with the issue of unity in the opposition. One, to pull your resources together, it is easier than to face the UPND. Number two is that our people are afraid looking at the history. You have 2001 elections won by Mwana Sai got 29%. The opposition got 70%. But the opposition lost because they shared the 71%. And although there's now 50 plus one, our people are afraid when they look at the area of all of you leaders, credible, proper leaders, that can challenge President Hakainde Ichirima. But they fear that in your uh division, you are dominant, you have your own supporters. You will divide the vote and advantage the UPND. Please answer to the issue of unity, even in this late hour.

SPEAKER_20 1:14:50

Thank you very much, Ambassador. This is a very, very important question, and we must give our Zambians the correct position. As we speak today, I want to assure the Zambians and through your program, the world at large, that we are going to emerge more united than most people dare to dream. I say this because I am confident that all my brothers in the opposition understand the gravity of what is at stake. More so, I want to report at a personal level that we are using our experience, we are using our strategic thinking, strategic planning to engage almost all the opposition, all the opposition, we may not, and I repeat, we may not achieve a hundred percent unity. But my belief is that if we reach sixty, seventy percent unity in the opposition, knowing what we know and experiences that we know we have, the UPND is gone. I have personally taken a very huge step in ensuring that this unity comes to fruition. I am happy to report that we are talking, we are engaging. I may not go into the details now because we are still in the kitchen, but we realize time is of the essence. So, yes, we have been talking, ambassador, for close to a year plus, some maybe a year plus, yes, I think almost two years. We are almost there, and the Zambians must not be too worried. Those of our colleagues that will not want to be part of what we are cooking in the kitchen, we shall let them go. Unity of purpose that has been found. More so with these mingato, which the UPND has been scheming, the laws that the UPND has been changing, I think reality has dawned on almost all the opposition leaders worth the thought that we must work together. I am pleased to say that I have not heard at least from the main players any resistance of working together. But like I like I keep saying, Ambassador, again, you will forgive me. I don't want to devouge too much because we are almost there. As you know, people understand unity differently. For some of our colleagues, unity means they must be the only ones to lead. That is wrong. For some of our colleagues, unity means they must be the ones to take charge of the finances, the logistics of the majority of MPs, the majority of we don't want that. We already saw that with the UPND alliance, and we know it crumbled very badly because they did not understand what it means to come together on a plain level field where everybody is treated as an equal with respect and knowing each one's strength and each one's ability. We in Zambia must prosper. I want to report are very clear as to what we want to achieve. We are also very clear why we want to enter into this arrangement. It is the poor, unsuspecting Zambians, the 20 million plus Zambians that we have to liberate from the jaws of poverty, from the jaws of ignorance, from the jaws of disease, from the jaws of load shedding, from the jaws of a lot of inequality, bad planning for agriculture, etc. Have almost arrived. And I'm glad to say, at least with the major players, we have agreed in principle that we are going to field together and move as one.

SPEAKER_19 1:21:02

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. We are hosting Kelvin Fuvewalia. President Zambia must prosper. The lines are open. Before I let him go, maybe I'll take about five calls, which you can then direct to the president. Uh, Mr. Kelvin Fuvewalia. He can answer those questions, then we'll let him go. And you and I then can stay longer knowing social media. Uh, I can give you more time to express yourself. We've tackled uh three key issues. Number one uh uh is the matter regarding the remains of the late president and the desecration that occurred. I can see I have a first caller already. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and uh give your contribution or ask President Kelvin Fubewaria. Hello, Cola.

SPEAKER_18 1:22:00

Hello, thank you, Vamamba. I just have four items I'd like to raise with you today.

SPEAKER_19 1:22:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_18 1:22:06

Um, firstly, thank you so much for your continued effort over the last few days in bringing all the information to the Zambian people. I know your minds have been busy over the last few days. In some instances, I think in the beginning, a lot of people were shocked, didn't call in. Um, don't take maybe the lack of calls as people weren't concerned. We are concerned. Sometimes we just sit back and we listen and we absorb information. So I think we've now absorbed some information. And there are a few things I'd like to raise. So you have broad church, and I really think the work that you do. And I'll be honest, for me, I used to support HH when he first came in. I thought it was a change from the capitalism and everything else. I'll be honest, that's what I want. Now, when he came in, he said there must be law and order. Let there be law and order. Now, can we define the events of the last few days as law and order? Can we really? Now let's turn to the attorney general. So, in his own words the other day, he said, we have we have possession of the body. A few days later, one or two days later, he he performs a complete uterine. So, is this this is a man who's meant to be, you know, his words are meant to carry weight, his statements are meant to be beyond reproach. So, if it's true that the government never took possession of the body, my question is have they lodged a formal complaint with the South African government? If we take the Attorney General's words at Facebook that he never took possession of the body, what is the current status officer from the embassy working on his call authority when he was present at the time of the postmot? What is the status of that officer? So, what is the status of that officer? Next, you've been very kind to accommodate uh the gentleman that called on two consecutive nights and then accommodated this night. On the first night, he said HH has already seen the body. On the second night, he said we will vote for HH again and again and again. He took those words at face value. And you're the opposition, you never need to start taking those words at face value. You've been warned. This is what will come. Three, four years' time, they'll be talking if he wins in August. This is what's coming. There will be another occasion where they'll want to put him forward. So, this is my final call to the opposition: unify, unite or face the music. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_19 1:25:05

Thank you very much. He's calling upon unity uh of uh uh of the opposition, and is asking if the last events have been the rule of law as promised by President Haga Indechem. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:23

Hello, Tata Mamwambawamben. Anyway, uh, there is no more questions to ask because all the questions uh have been asked by you and all the answers have been given. I just want to thank Bafube. Yeah, we think if I forte Napurafiance, Avantusakari Chakutashangan, Sakamanda, each moting, when opinion and a finger for Landa, Kaba e Ketene, Aptikua Tasha Mandini, Tatu Chula Tukula, Tatuaba free, tatulanda machina, tatul tatulanda ekutuikala, tua putina kwa fatna, tawatana w badwe, batingawa bakufi againsty atibakanjikata. Twaikana fiava mwenzo i tinechine. Tata ngaansi, mebatua di la fe, goodingan gefofini mwa tulondo wera. Twatotela mukwai.

SPEAKER_19 1:26:49

Thank you very much, ma thank you, thank you. Allocola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. And uh, we are hosting Zambia Mass Prosper President, Honorable Uh Kelvin Fubewaria.

SPEAKER_22 1:27:03

Thank you so much, uh Honorable Imam Mu Mamba. Uh, good evening, uh President uh KBF. Uh Charles Mewe, Mr. Fresh is my name. Lusaka Zambia. Um, my goal, Honorable Mamba, is that uh uh I was in attendance at the uh remembering uh um service that we had for uh ECL and had a chance to say hi to President KBF as he was driving out. Um my call, as the pastor said, uh uh Pastor Sakara used wisdom to call to give example for the dogs that found meat along the way, and they started fighting on their own, and the casmo dog came. And go out that meet and they found that that meet has gone. That speaks to us in the opposition. The call for unit, the call for you people to reconsider before the days are gone. If at all there are plans that are being um done secretly because we are dealing with criminals in this government, uh, it's important that if there are plans that can be done or that are going on now, let them continue as we are waiting for the days for those that will be nominated. Present uh KBF, I trust you and I believe in you, knowing that you have been in these um you know dealings for a while. And for you to work together with the rest of these opposition leaders, make the rest, the people that um have been in in uh in uh political schools of uh Michael Sata, political schools of um ECL. You people need to unite, and you are the only people that will rescue us from the the the struggle that we are in. Look the way uh things are being done.

SPEAKER_19 1:29:23

Mr. Fresh, thank you very much. I think we've got it. The president has got your request for unity, and that example that was given in church, he will speak to it, will allow him to speak to it. Um please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:42

Uh Didi from Copper Belt.

SPEAKER_19 1:29:45

Did you from the Copper Belt make your contribution?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:48

Okay, we don't get a mutual one dollar and we got the government of Mafia. This government took the government of Mafia. I don't cast any Ava Kwanda Mumuchi, to go a motif.

SPEAKER_19 1:31:36

Thank you very much. Uh uh, I said I'll take about five calls for the president, then he will answer, then we'll let him go. But you can remain calling. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:59

Okay, Chilea from Coba Belt.

SPEAKER_19 1:32:02

Thank you, Chilea. Make your make your contributions, Master President.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:08

Good evening. Even as we don't uh understand the law properly, we're able to understand now. I think I'm just calling upon my president KBF, Uncle Freddie Member, Uncle Kalaba. I think to come together and support the young brother Makebi Zulu. We understand this time around, yes. My uncle there have been in politics for a while now. But the people yeah, just looking up to Mundubile and Makebizulu.

SPEAKER_19 1:33:04

What you must allow is for them to sit together.

SPEAKER_10 1:33:11

Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_19 1:33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:33:16

So I just call a point the unity in that case uh.

SPEAKER_19 1:33:33

Oh, just a minute, just a minute, call. I think my this this particular phone was on uh on speaker. Just just a minute, just a minute. Was on my earpiece. Just a minute, just a minute. Yes, call. I think now you are on. Hello, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_23 1:34:00

Uh, I'm calling from Kasam. My name is Alex Ambassador. Good evening. Uh, just a quick one. Uh, first of all, the the news that I've heard so far today, among all the things that uh President Fuera has mentioned, is uh uh um the message of unity, which uh I think most of us we are we must be excited. But we we never know this person, he can do anything anyway. Mr. President, um um as much as we are fighting concentrating on the fights, pulling each other left, right, and center, creating up more political parties, to me doesn't make sense because as we speak, I think we should concentrate much on um uh trying to block all these uh techniques or tricks that this guy is trying to do. Are you aware that the ZRI portal will be closed by Wednesday? And if anybody who has not declared themselves, then would have uh who's not going to there will be no opposition. Are you aware that you as politicians you have to declare yourself through Zara and that and that portal will be closed this Wednesday? If you're not aware, I'm kindly asking, put your house in order. And this guy has vowed that before August or August, I mean July, uh there will be no opposition. So please take this as a identification to you people, Mr.

SPEAKER_19 1:35:25

President. Since it's one of the qualifications to get tax clearance at Nakuma Kesalat, it's under maintenance. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:41

Good evening, ambassador, and wamung.

SPEAKER_19 1:39:09

The first question for me is very fundamental. Your brother, Dr. Fred Membe, even issued a statement to the extent that sometimes our supporters are holding us hostage. Because while you you leaders at the top are speaking unity and peace, your followers are engaged in this very, very strong rivalry and insults on social media. I think it will be a very important uh point of guidance from you, Mr. President. Hello, colour. Let me take this as the last caller. Then he'll be listening in. Then you can call, but you are the last caller for for this session. Hello, caller, make your contributions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:53

Thank you, Ambassador. Thank you, Ambassador. Good evening. My name is Andrew.

unknown 1:39:56

Yes, Andrew. Good evening, Mr. President. Good evening, Mr. President uh KBF.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:02

Yeah, so I just want also to just add one or two things. First of all, I am comforted because I I trust and believe in uh Mr. President uh KBF. He is a strategist, he is a true son of uh the soil. I think he has managed elections before. He is a planner, he's not just a planner, but he's a great executor. So I am comforted when he says that uh he's working around 19 position. I think he's looking at the number 60, he says to seven eight. I think that is enough.

SPEAKER_19 1:40:36

Because obviously uh not everyone my brother, you are very faint, you are very faint. Speak through the phone, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:46

Uh oh, then it it could be the network. Uh, then if I if you can't hear me, then I'll I'll we can hear you, but you are very faint.

SPEAKER_19 1:40:55

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_19 1:40:58

Let me let me I I think I I really can't hear him. He's he's extremely faint. Maybe in his place we we take a the last call, then Mr. President, you you answer. Um let's take the last call. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:29

Hello, my name is Patricia. I'm calling you from Germany.

SPEAKER_19 1:41:32

Patricia from Germany, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:36

Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, uh Bamwamba. Good evening, President Kebio. I just wanted to find out how safe it is. Because I heard the state council and the president of Zambia Mash Prosper mentioned that uh they are working together as opposition to collapse in one thing. And my worry is under this UPND, is it safe for all the political parties to collapse in one political party? Or is there any strategy behind it that somehow the Zambians will come to learn where to go or which one would be more viable? That would be my question and pleasant uh maybe discussions this evening. Thank you.

SPEAKER_19 1:42:19

Thank you very much. All the callers that are calling, just give us a break. Let the president answer this question. Then I'm going to invite you, you are going to speak. Um, that question, Mr. President, is very strategic. Many are saying, maybe first of all, all of you file. We see who filed successfully, then have the talks after you are filed in. But you can start from the first callers and answer the questions. Thank you.

SPEAKER_20 1:42:46

Thank you, Ambassador, and uh thank you to our viewers. Um, most of the calls are around this sense of unity and of discussions that we're having with each other. And I think people want us to rush, people want us to resolve matters even before. But let me pick up with your last comment to Ambassador. Um if you want to win elections speaking strategically, but in a holistic sense, I don't want to go into details. If you want to win elections, the first thing a general planning election does is to know the advantage. You must know who you're going to face. If, for example, I I support Manchester United, and tomorrow we're going to be playing Liverpool. I've got to understand the weaknesses of Liverpool, I've got to understand the strategies of Liverpool, who are their danger men, what is the strength of the goalkeeper, etc., the defense, the midfield. That is how you now plan to block off some of those things, and then you arrow in what you want to achieve. So, what we have done with my brother thus far is simply understand the legal framework under which we have been forced to operate. I want to sink in for a moment. Because if you're just going to stay planning, planning, planning and agreeing, unite, unite, unite, but you don't understand the legal framework under which you're operating. We are going to have problems. I I specifically want to to address my brother Chile. The UPND has managed to break the PF into more or less three, four factions. I don't want to name them, but you can fit in the gaps and and and understand where I'm going with this. So the first thing we needed to do was understand why the UPM team wanted to destroy the PF. Then understand what has much room out of the PF and how do we use the remnants of the PF so that we can come up with a sense of unity so that the Zambia Ich no Bamala Pangamala. I want you to think of those as layers of our strategic thinking. But what you must do in politics is to have a big heart. You must be forgiving. You must be understanding. But that does not mean we cannot work together again. Personally, I had differences with the late president leading up to the 2021 election. But I'm glad to report that when my older brother called me before his demise and he says, and then to have me chu me one-on-one. A lot of you have been coming on programs like Yabamwamba and other interviews, and I've heard some of your comments in certain areas. Right now, we just have a few weeks before the dissolution of parliament. This is the right time now to come out and say, So please join hands with us. All opposition into one. It is the framework. The legal framework which we have been given. We must work within this legal framework. Let me go a bit deeper here. If for example I wanna Zambia vale for Vale for an president. Mshalumburiya Mashina so that we don't confuse each other. Xale mfuya sana wena Zambia Number within the legal framework omotuombela X Te mani Mulefu at those are the kind of questions tuale yi pusha in the background X Bimbi are popular number X Takwe Techani Tuala Chita Shani Ari popular But that's to any political party we must understand that although we have political parties muchalo please although we have political parties no chalo the political party members and the majority of the Zambians please understand at the time that you won election 2021 there were not 2.8 million members of UPND because UPND did not have more than 365,000 members they did not but when the results were counted Haka indeichilema got 2.8 million Zambians who voted for him. Why? Because the partyless Zambians decided to side with him. So when you're being analytical, when you're being strategic, don't just look at the amount of noise which is being made. That must be put on record so that we understand. These were direct questions. So it is not just a question of collapsing. No, it is first understanding your adversary, understanding the legal framework in which you are operating, and then understanding the dynamics and the layering of thinking. How do we bend it to suit the circumstances so that we can achieve the intended goal? This is why I said we may not achieve a hundred percent bonset, but if we achieve unity of purpose between and amongst the political opposition players, and we come up with one goal to fight to liberate the Zambian people, to a lawyer elections, because neither to a we in my elections 2011. Bufi members tabarit munapama books nif. It was because the Zambians at that time got fed up with what was happening in the MMD, and they got fed with the way that so rest in peace was running the country, and they thought it is time to give us a chance. This is how you win elections. But in our discussions so far, my brothers and I have said these are the perimeters within which we shall work, and if this doesn't happen, then we must fall for B. If this doesn't happen, then we must fall for plan C. That is why we don't want a lot of layers, because we need to give the Zambians one message. We are agreeing to say before, not after, before woman. Because that is part of the team to echunde wombelanichi. Takwa womuntu yamuku womba fi, te shiru tu akasombo lamu. Tuala lufanya. Because nga tualufia nyo muta kwate motivation. Umuntu akwate chalamu i miokia m vota. We need to say tulende rachapa moifwe. Tumuane. Na tumfu anakunu mefe tukesa mitungurula. A manifesto tukesa womjani. Ne fatulen wida nifi. And this is the leader we have chosen. This is the vehicle we have chosen. The reason for this is we don't want to split the votes. Mungumfu ikisan. Because if we split the votes, we've seen this happen before. Ambassador alluded to this fact. Whereby we had more votes in 2026, 2021. Kuriba Mwanawasa. But wawanawasa still went through. Because at that time, 50 plus one takwali, and therefore all he said is mingwina, because my opposition, although Namsta vote in majority against me, but take part on in these elections, never number one. First ask the post. That was then. So you had a president coming into office with only 21-29% of the Zambians voting for him. That's not what we want. The law right now is 50 plus one. It's a higher threshold. And my brothers and I have agreed to reach this threshold, we must put our eggs together. We must put our brains together. We must be honest and candid with each other. So this sense of unity, it is important. But in terms of details, agreements, and what has been said behind the scenes, I cannot divulge because my brother is happy to report. Now won't say what it to encourage up. Our copper belt, especially a D, our first caller, and all these questions. This unity we have resolved to feel tricky. My brother, I'm being honest. I'm being as honest as the sun shining from the east, setting to the west. He wants to abuse the law. He wants the law to support him at all times. He wants to bend the law and fit himself into that law so that it is only him who has the advantage. That is why this sense of unity is important. And some of us have studied this guy. We understand him. That is why we don't want to fall into a trap and then say, ah, ngatuari mfuana thing gatawini. No, we won't have a second chance. And when he back, if you allow him a zambia, he will be more ruthless. We are already aware that there are proposals to come and change some of our laws, including the constitution, including land law, mining rights, and all these other things. So we can't allow this. We need to go to a reboot. Go back. Bill 7, the electoral process bill, the cyber laws, and all these unfair laws that the UPND has enacted so that they can entrench themselves, we are immediately going to have to repeal them when we come into power. This is why we want to ensure that we have the majority in parliament and ensure that when we move motion to repeal these ungodly, unjust laws, they are immediately.

SPEAKER_19 2:02:06

Thank you very much for all your explanation. You can stay in the background, but we'll now allow callers to come in. He has a team that is with him. You know, it's late and you know they might require to go, but he'll be listening in. So, alo caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:28

Hello, am I through to the program?

SPEAKER_19 2:02:30

Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:33

Thank you very much. Because uh watching it on Facebook, which has been uh cutting, cutting in my area. So if my phone line is clear, if my phone line is clear, and hope what I'm going to say about KBF will listen to it. Now, uh Mr. Zulu from Lusaka, Mr. Zulu Thomas from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_19 2:02:54

Mr. Thomas, first and phone.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:57

Yes, uh, the first thing is um I want to commend you by Immanuel Mwamba, and I want to tell the Zambians that uh these lies that are being pedaled against you, Mr. Ambassador Mwamba, that you are misleading and confusing Zambians and lying to Zambians is not on. And we support this program, we support your line of thought, we support the facts that you are putting across, which are factual. So don't worry about the state you know attacking you on that line, and Zambia should not follow what this regime is saying about Ambassador Mwamba. Now, my other contribution is on the uh KBF. I know alliances are being done in the background. Some of the alliances, people are scared because they don't want to bring them out now for fear of this regime camping down on the preferred candidates. So I'm aware that there's some discussion going on in the background. But what I will want as Zambians is at the end of the day, when nominations come, those that are going to meet the conditions, because you know this government has interfered from the society, CZ, the police, the whole system is corrupted. But at the end of the day, when nominations start and we see that these are clean and they can't be stopped, of course, those that we want to go through will fight for them. But we don't want to see so many party uh presidents fighting in to challenge HH, especially the big, big political parties like PFU, KBF, CFU, Amembe, and the rest. We don't want the Zambians to see so many of them to be on the ballot paper. We don't want this split of votes. Because this guy, this guy, the Zambians have held on to him that he's going. So we cannot miss this chance. This is a chance that we should not miss because the other five years, Zambia will be finished. Now, my other thing about these political leaders and presidents, let them move out of Sanga. Most of them we meet them in the malls, in churches. Today, a lot of them were at the service for ECL, you know, which is commendable. We want them now to move out to the periphery of Zambia. You know, they start now campaigning in advance.

SPEAKER_19 2:05:33

They can't move out, they have to file in nominations first. They have to file in nominations first.

SPEAKER_07 2:05:40

That is what I mean. What what what I what I mean is that when they do that, they should not stay too much in Lusaka. They've got their own headquarters, most of them, their head officers are in Lusaka.

SPEAKER_19 2:05:55

Oh, Mr. Azul's line is cut, but I guess we got what he what he says. Uh colleagues, the lines are open. Um you can now make your contributions.

unknown 2:06:16

Good evening.

SPEAKER_09 2:06:17

Good evening, my ambassador.

SPEAKER_19 2:06:19

Good evening.

SPEAKER_09 2:06:20

Uh, this is Dr. K from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_19 2:06:23

Dr. K from Lusaka, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_09 2:06:26

Yes, Ambassador. Um, it is unfortunate to what has happened, you know, concerning the body of Israel. I think from the time this whole drama started, when we heard that statement from our attorney general concerning the Zambian government having the custody of the body, to now another conflicting statement that we caught that it is not the Zambian government, but the South African government or police from South Africa. Yeah, it has been really discarding to just see how events are unfolding, and also to see that there are no proper actions that have been taken to ensure that you know the head of state, the former head of state, is actually respected and remains um secured in such a way that there is honor given to whom honor is due, like in this case, the former president. So most of us we have been really heartbroken. Yes, we had prayers today, but we are still having that feeling, you know, where you feel so disappointed, so long because of what has happened, and we pray that justice should be able to prevail at the end of the day, and they should be closer to closure to this. Now, um, Ambassador, I just want to thank President KBS who we are featuring today. Um, indeed, I can say that this man is indeed a strategist, and um having such a player within the opposition if they unite is such an asset to the opposition. And like the previous scholar mentioned, we do not want to see so many unit presidential candidates to an extent where people are getting confused, but uh we pray that the opposition leaders will come together and uh they will have this sense of purpose to know that we are looking for a second independence and that should be able to come as we desire. So I know there are maneuvers that have been engineered, um ambassador, and I'm praying that these maneuvers, these incarnados should not prevail. Like we pray today, we pray that God is going to help the country of Zambia and the leaders who guide the people accordingly so that we do not have you know such such things like not having a free and fair election. We want to have a free and fair election. Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_19 2:09:14

Thank you. Good evening.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:24

My name is Hendrix, Your Excellency, calling you from uh Losaka, Mr.

SPEAKER_19 2:09:29

Hendrix. Make your contributions.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:32

Thank you, Excellency. Today, your excellency decided that we watched together your wonderful program with some of my friends at a very close market near my place.

SPEAKER_19 2:09:43

Oh, very nice, very nice. Wonderful, wonderful. Make your contributions.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:57

Thank you, Excellency. Your Excellency. Uh my contribution is that um when uh uh KBF Valanda Wino Sanaf. I think he has spoken well, and that's what we need. We need the unity for all our political leaders. You've seen the UPND was given the mandate, and the mandate which was given to the UPND, they have lamentably failed, Your Excellency. The minimum, the fertilizer, uh, the the the the all commodities are extremely expensive, and I agree. Never watch that for poverty. This government does not respect the rule of law. So, our call to our leaders is that let's unite and let's unite together the unity of purpose to remove this government, your excellency. Thank you so much, Your Excellence. That was my contribution, Your Excellency.

SPEAKER_19 2:11:04

Thank you very much. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Hello, yes, caller. Tell us your name and where you are calling where where you're calling us from. Yes, yes. Continue.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:44

Okay, I'm calling from eastern province.

SPEAKER_19 2:11:59

Is that all?

SPEAKER_03 2:12:02

No, no, no. Okay. Let me continue. Owta tatua to tela ikata nini ifofiniama bandia ikatana. Ikata nini. Bajining wata kwasheni kuri mobamwamba. Pantuwa landati vadyako ama stampu, then inaba funyako security. Uku ikatana tuala ykatana. Bambiaba votewa tataba H, PF, which is very true. Me, I'm a PF, but I voted for UPND. But I've gone back to PF, and I'm not the only one who has gone back. To live in kipantuafa nitala. But my worry is wamwamba. But if nyakwama dead stampo, then balan that wakabe security. That is my worry. Mukatuwafu shaani, pamongen tu shu.

SPEAKER_19 2:13:11

Thank you very much. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_16 2:13:23

My name is Budim Dana. I want to appreciate what President Kelvin Fu has said.

SPEAKER_21 2:13:33

You don't ask the general to divulge most of the strategies that they are doing. We appreciate that. But my other contribution, which is cardin, we have been in this election for a very long, long time. I'm an older citizen. This government has made it very impossible to disseminate information, strategies, and prospectives, what the new prospective wants to offer the Zambian people, especially in the rural areas, not no longer our social media. We might be in urban areas, but what strategy are the opposition using? I know we have been constrained. We're not going into the rural areas, we can't have rallies. This is the first time in my 60 years in existence in Zambia that I've seen going to an election where we've never had a opposition rally from opponents to propel what they want to tell the people, what they want to do. Ambassador, you there?

SPEAKER_19 2:14:54

Yes, yes. We are hearing, sir.

SPEAKER_21 2:14:58

Yeah. So what strategies are the opposition going to use? You know, we've got the majority of voters are also coming from the rural areas. From whatever uh President Fu has explained, these are very good points. Strategies are conflict, but we need to know what strategies are being used to disseminate information to the rural masses who have got no access to these smartphones that we use in urban areas. Okay.

SPEAKER_19 2:15:35

Thank you.

SPEAKER_21 2:15:55

So within this short period of time, can they strategize with their legal teams that these laws that are burying these uh rallies to be held so that people can be given an opportunity to listen to opposition views? Because as we are going in, it's to be