ATTORNEY GENERAL DEMANDS EDGAR LUNGU'S BODY

LIVE NOW; MULILO KABESHA DEMANDS THE REMAINS OF ZAMBIA'S SIXTH PRESIDENT EDGAR LUNGU.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 4:18

This was not just a citizen. He was a head of state. And if somebody says there were issues, yes, there was issues. But in death we converge with the issue, but in the dead we call the dead for the president with all the owners, military owners. After the burial we talk about anything we're unhappy about.

SPEAKER_21 5:41

Time to bury the coffin was smashed. Most people think we smashed it because it came from the government. No. That's what about you here as well. Yeah. No. My father. My father. The broken coffin was put in the grave. But we could not bury my father in that coffin because but meaning he was from the royal line.

SPEAKER_37 6:07

Right.

SPEAKER_21 6:08

And when you're from that line, you are buried in a cattle hide, and that was the tradition we were following. Because that those were my father's instructions. Nothing to do with politics. No, it was not political. Maybe you were furious. No. Because your father had been uh prosecuted and no, no, no, no, no. I see. It was it was tradition. That part was tradition. Right. When it came to shall we give the speech, blah blah blah. Now the president of the Republic of Zambia will stand up and make a speech. My sister stood up and said there will be no speeches. And Kaounda was already standing at the microphone. He was about to speak. He was about to speak. She said, There will be no speeches. You will not speak. How dare you that you can approach the sitting head of state who is about to start speaking and tell him you can't speak. You can't speak. You did that? Yes.

SPEAKER_22 6:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_21 7:00

And credit to Kaunda. He turned around and he went and sat down. It must have been not pleasant for him. But he did it. He he, as far as we're concerned, honored our wishes. He listened to what we wanted. So that was a private uh funeral. It was a state funeral. It was a state funeral. It was a fixed state funeral. Yes. The government said we they asked us. Can we make it into a state funeral? Can we they asked us all those questions, yes. But it was a state funeral. But we still said you cannot speak. And he didn't. And he did not speak. And let me say this. You know, losing a father publicly is a very difficult thing. Yeah. How to handle the grief and all that is a very difficult thing. But what happened after that is that I think both KK and ourselves left the door open. Because it takes time when you're in grief to come to now saying, okay, now I can talk to this person who offended me. It takes time. But ultimately, fast forward. One afternoon we're sitting there. In fact, even when Kaunda lost uh power, we went to see him. Yes, we sat there. We used to go and see him, would sit and laugh the whole afternoon.

SPEAKER_19 8:33

If I cannot move out of my country, Zambia, to go for medication at my own expense, and I'm pulled out of a plane to say go back home and die. That for me constitutes house arrest. I will not die a peaceful death if I was to die today without restoring PFO to what it is. By the way, I've been saying to people who want me to reconcile with the president that look, the only way we can start talking about reconciliation is for the man to begin restoring democracy. And how he restores democracy to me is by restoring the legitimate leadership into PFO, where we were on 23rd October 2023, where we had elected leaders myself as president and others, including our SDs and everybody. Once he restores that, he tells his people in the civil service to say, guys, can you correct this? The register record to show the true reflection of the leadership of the party, then we are on our way to go. They've done that with other political parties as a system. And I can't allow that. So if I cannot move out of my country, Zambia, to go for medication at my own expense, and I'm pulled out of a plane to say go back home and die. That for me constitutes house arrest. I will not die a peaceful death if I was to die today without restoring PFO to what it is. By the way, I've been saying to people who want me to reconcile with the president that look, the only way we can start talking about reconciliation is for the man to begin restoring democracy. And how he restores democracy to me is by restoring the legitimate leadership into PFO, where we were on 23rd October 2023, where we had elected leaders like myself as president and others, including our SDs and everybody. Once he restores that, he tells his people in the civil service to say, guys, can you correct this? The register record to show the true reflection of the leadership of the party, then we're on our way to go. They've done that.

SPEAKER_07 10:45

In our African tradition, death is sacred. The dead are treated as reverent. Families are accorded the highest respect in matters concerning their loved ones. To storm a mochery, emoji, seized a body, and subject it to procedures without consent is not only a law, it is culturally offensive and spiritually stable and empowered. If a government can act with such disregard to what the former head of, we must what protection remains to the government. This incident said the president of the state can override families at will. That court orders can be ignored with utter impunity when inconvenience. That truth can be manipulated through fabricated care. That power can be exercised without account. This is not government. This is unchecked authority, an extreme abuse of the people's power conferred on those who govern on behalf of the people. At this critical moment in our nation's history, I wish to make a solemn and respectful appeal. First leader to the church. I wish to call upon all church mother bodies, all bishops, pastors, and faith leaders across denominations to rise and speak with one voice. This is a moral issue that transcends politics. The church has always been the conscience of the nation. Therefore, I urge you, Mother Church, to publicly condemn this sinful. To stand with the bereaved family in their time of distress, to remind the nation and its leaders of the sanctity of life and to uphold Zandia's declaration as a Christian nation, not only in words, but in action. Silence at such a time, dear church, being interpreted as acceptable.

SPEAKER_23 13:26

We have since secured the body, uh as I did tell you, that uh we only managed to secure the body around uh 11 uh p.m. the other day, and uh we have since taken it to a secure place and uh looking forward to other processes and examinations to ensure that uh what was done was correct and also to have our own opinion as regards what could uh possibly have been what the the state may have been interested in as regards the body. That is where we are right now. We have since secured the body, uh as I did tell you, that uh we only managed to secure the body around uh 11 uh p.m. the other day, and uh we have since taken it to a secure place and uh looking forward to other processes and examinations to ensure that uh what was done was correct and also to have our own opinion as regards what could uh possibly have been what the state may have been interested in as regards the body. That is where we are right now.

SPEAKER_41 14:50

Good day, and welcome to today's broadcast. It's an urgent broadcast we didn't intend to broadcast today. We are supposed to broadcast tomorrow on Wednesday. Today is a holiday, and we had hoped that all of us will have uh a holiday. It's uh KK's day in Zambia. This day is um very conflicting. I don't know what we shall call it. Sometimes we call it KK's Day, but remember, this is a day also our heroes in 1993 on 20th October died, the entire national team, technical staff and administrators, including our pilots, that died you know, off the coast of Gabon on the same day. It was a tragic day, and it's a day that Dr. Kaounda died. So you call it Kek's Day, what should we call it? This is a day we were remembering today. Um Kek's Day, uh I would call upon government and all of us to find uh because you know it's Keke's birthday, titled like Nelson Mandela. I think we were supposed to do uh a good deed to remember uh Dr. Kenneth Kaunda as our founding president. It was declared when president uh when when President Kaunda died, but also it overshadows that tragic memory of the loss of the national team, technical staff and pilot that died you know, off the coast of Gabon. Uh uh and I think as a country we need to reconcile the two on this KK's day. I don't know what you think. You can type in your comments what you think of this day and what should be appropriate. If it's Kaunda's Day, what do we do with the national team heroes that died on this day? We've summoned you for an agent broadcast. Share, tell us if volume is okay, picture is okay. Sometimes we go ahead and um, but my parameters show that volume is okay. It's a matter I worry about most of the times. Um we've summoned you for an agent broadcast on this uh auspicious day when we're celebrating KK's Day. Uh, I think the the most public issue was a marathon that was done, and I think there were some activities by the vice president. We just need to define this day. Why have we called you? Is that uh the Attorney General of the Republic of Zambia, through his lawyers in South Africa, have responded to the High Court order. Remember the family. When the family learned that uh the police with Zambian officials were at Two Mountains, a funeral parlor in Johannesburg that has been holding the remains of the late president. They had come to pick the body. The family panicked. The family summoned the lawyers. The lawyers pleaded with this uh team that came that the matters were in court, the team disregarded, convinced the authorities at Two Mountains that there was no court process barring them to take the body. They told Two Mountains, as you saw, the detailed explanation from the Attorney General, that uh the appeal by the family according to the attorney general had lapsed. In the Supreme Court where they were supposed to file various documents, the attorney general said he had conducted um uh uh uh a request from the Supreme Court of Appeal in Blue Fontaine, and he was told that the appeal has lapsed and he moved into action to pick the remains of the late president and even issued a public statement to that effect. So the the remains of the late president on 22nd April, that day, on Wednesday, were sadly released to the attorney general under the guise that now a high court order that he had obtained, a high court judgment that he had obtained on August 25th, 2025, last year in August, he says now that was a reigning authority he was relying on to pick the body. When the family lost the body, the the lawyers were very, very quick. They went to court, even if it was in the night, and in the night, the high court, the Gauteng High Court in Pretoria, convened head the lawyers for the family and ordered the immediate return of the body. The copies were circulated. I was conducting a live broadcast, and that day I was supposed to host Makebizulu, you know, to speak about the politics. He hasn't really had a full meeting since he took over the reins of the Patriotic Front when he won that election. So we're supposed to have that broadcast that day. But he was an available, and then we later learned why the body was missing. The body was collected by uh the Zambian official, the South African police, and they said that they they were now relying on the High Court order. And you should go to watch Murilo Kabesha. He disclosed all the facts in that first write-up. He's trying to walk back, but you know, internet has memory. We have videos of him, and we have ZMBC broadcasting his position, and uh he was saved. Makebizulu confirmed he had just been told that we have obtained the judgment. And Makebizulu in his announcement said the Supreme Court has issued this interdict. Of course, we later learned an hour later that it was actually the High Court that had issued that agent interdict to uh the Attorney General of the Republic of Zambia, to the South African police, and everyone that uh uh uh the agents of the Zambian government mentioned. They said they were with the police, so we, you know, the lawyers for the family sued in that matter the South African police commissioner and the South African police, and they sued the foreign affairs um ministry. They are the ministries called departments, they are departments, they are not ministries in South Africa. All ministries are departments like it is here in the US. So the Department of International Relations and Cooperation were sued in the event that they were processing a repatriation. And Murilo Kabesha was also sued. And the court gave clear directives that Murilo Kabesha, the South African government, the South African police, and the South African police commissioner must return the body immediately. Those documents were saved on all the parties, and Makebizulu also did the honor of after getting the copy. Also personally sent it to Mr. Milo Kabesha so that a caseele. And Makebizulu was in Zambia. He immediately the following day rushed to South Africa. And it was on this broadcast when Makebi arrived, and I was live around 20, 21 hours, and I was saying we are trying to reach Makebizulu. We finally found him and he had found where the body was. The body was taken to a forensic pathologic uh pathology center in Pretoria, and according to the records, a postmortem, a five-hour postmortem had been conducted in the morning. Despite the police who are said to have conducted the postmortem having the court order from the High Court, despite Murilo Kabesha having the court order, despite the South African government having this court order to return the remains of the late president to the family as appointed Mochari or to Two Mountains. And remember how the UPND and its media took glory that the two mountains as undertakers and funeral parlor refuse that the body should not come back. And who would blame two mountains? Look at what they have been through, and probably they haven't even been paid for their entire work they've done the last 11 months. And every day there are people coming up to secure the body, to demand for the body. Always they've been struggling with this. Their business is disrupted because the Zambian government has always tried to pick this body. Just from day one when the late president died. So when the body moved to Two Mountains, you can imagine the trauma the administration and that business has gone through in the government trying to get the body at all times. Even when this event occurred, when I heard that the police were there, it's not the first time they are tried again in February. And they are tried in December. They've been trying at every turn. And I thought, ah, they are decent people in South Africa. They'll be told the matters in court. We didn't know that Kabesha told the Melay that there was no appeal in the Supreme Court. And we didn't know that he was trying to hurriedly repatriate the body to Zambia. We didn't know that they had planned for this post mortem. We had no idea. Because when you look back, you realize that this was a highly organized operation to pick the body, do a postmortem on it, and probably bring it to Zambia and bury it. I don't know what your interpretation is, but when you look at the facts, so Makebi stumbled upon a body that had undergone an operation for five hours from 8:30 to 13:30. And uh Makebizulu and the lawyers picked the remains. Because the order, remember, the order called for the return of that body to the family's appointed mortuary or to two mountains. And we already know what was happening with two mountains, where they were as a business and also as administrators, were also traumatized. They said, Imwe, without the family, without the consent of the family. Because remember, two mountains are part of the legal process. They are also the uh sued, you know, among the defendants because they were the ones that were in custody of the body. So they've been following these matters. So Kabesha lied to them that the Supreme Court appeal that was in Bloomfontaine by the family had lapsed, and therefore the only authority had was the August 25th, 2025 High Court order to pick the body. And they've been part of the process. They after, because they arrived at 1530. From the logs we've seen, they only picked the body after, I think after 18 hours. And they transported it to Pretoria, and we have seen that uh the body is logged in at the at the uh a pathology center, the forensic pathology center at 1836. That's when the body was brought in. So at least two mountains tried to resist like they have done. But you know, when you are told that this matter is no longer in court, what can you do? They surrendered the body, thinking they are dealing with honest and decent people. No, they were not. So Mackey found a body that had body parts removed because the forensic exercise had been done for five hours. And you see the attorney general today, and this is a purpose of the broadcast, is that he has rushed to court and is telling the court that he wants the body of the remains of Zambia 6th president back. He says the family obtained that court order. They didn't disclose three major material facts. That they didn't disclose that the process in Bloomfontain had lapsed, that they didn't disclose that the police were conducting an investigation, that that uh they therefore obtained that body from government which had obtained it, or from the South African police. The order is even very confusing. And Mulilo Kabesha, the underlying thing is he wants a body back, he wants it back. And this development has just happened this evening when they saved the farm, you know, the family's lawyers over this matter that in responding to the expert order, remember there was an expert order, this was an expert order directing everyone to go back to status quo, take back the body where it was, or to the family's appointed morchery. Then they were supposed to go back and then argue the case. So Muri Lokabesha's attorney general is now responding to that expert order and is accusing the the family that they've obtained that body, you know, uh, without disclosing these material facts. And what is interesting is what he is quoting, he's quoting the inquest act. And in the inquest act, he has quoted parts which says whoever is conducting the postmortem has a right to remove body parts for purposes of that postmortem. Why is Murilo Kabesha insisting in that uh court document? They are now relying on the police and quoting extensively that it is okay for whoever has conducted the postmortem to remove body parts. You can read the order and they've quoted it extensively. The inquest act that any organ or any body part for purposes of that inquest can be removed. That is where we are. They have removed body parts, and they want now to begin justifying because they are no longer in custody of the body, and they have removed body parts, but they are now justifying why those body parts are missing. That those body parts are missing because they've been taken, the tissues have been taken because of the purposes of the inquest. Now let's come back to the inquest. The progressive forces of South Africa has applied to the magistrate court that they want an inquest done. They are alleging that the family reported that uh the late president could have died, you know, in unnatural circumstances. And they are saying there were public statements made that the president could have been poisoned. This is progressive forces of South Africa that has gone to court and the matter is in the Gauteng magistrate court. They are asking number one that the inquest be authorized. Because remember, these are third parties. Inquests usually are like like like comrade uh KBF stated yesterday, is done by the family, mostly the family. Who has local stand? Who has consent if you, your loved one, is poisoned? It's usually the family. But here they are an NGO that we've already linked to the Zambian government, where we have seen even the famous Yui Maketo from the Zambian High Commission paying even for their place where they had a press conference. So this so-called progressive forces of South Africa coming to the court and they are demanding, they are saying, no, no, no, we are interested parties because we have learned that the family are complaining that the late president was poisoned. Of course, that's not true. These are government machinations. But let's discuss the facts without giving opinions. So progressive forces of South Africa have gone to the magistrate court in Gauteng. They are demanding for two things that the magistrates grant them authority to have the court do an inquest. Number two, to do a postmortem on the remains of the late president, to prove or disprove the assertions that the late president was poisoned, as earlier announced by matters that were in the public media. The magistrate has heard this application and has given them 29th May 2026, in which he is going to determine whether an inquest should be done. Number two, whether a postmortem should be done. So tell us why Murilo Kabesha is telling the court that the South African police have authority to conduct end postmortem. When the request for this postmortem and this former investigation for this inquest are in the magistrate's court, the very authority is quoting. He is not disclosing, again, is accusing the family of not disclosing material facts. He's not disclosing the material facts to the High Court, where he wants a body given back to him. That the court has not granted the inquest and has not granted the postmortem, the magistrate will rule on 29th May 2026. So under whose authority did the South African police, under whose authority did Murilo Kabesha and the Republic of Zambia do postmortem on the late president without authority, legal authority. And let us assume that the South African police are doing their own investigations and they want to do a postmortem. Again, there are rules and regulations. The late president was not a vagabond, is not a body they found on the street. Yes, family is represented by lawyers. So the South African police cannot do a postmortem without the presence of the family or the lawyers or any appointed agent. They cannot do that because this is an identified body, it's a represented body, and the family is there. So all their arguments are collapsing. The arguments do not make sense. But what has happened today is that Murilo Kabesha has responded to the expert order and he wants a court to give him back the body. And he's quickly gone to the inquest act justifying why body parts are removed from where a postmortem has been done. He has quoted it extensively that the body parts are removed for purposes of medical tests, you know, associated with the postmortem. What are the facts? The facts are that they have collected body parts from the late president. And this is showing in their own documents. And they are already preempting this matter. Because they don't have the body. The body, as you heard uh confirm that the family now has the custody of the body, and that the body the family is trying to examine that body. Sokirakuambo Kulanda Chiawe, if the body parts are missing, Adalanja Kriba South African police, why is he relying? Why is he talking on behalf of the South African police? Is he the official spokesperson for the South African police? Why is he informing us about these missing body parts already? That even if they are missing, they are missing because the person who's doing a postmotium requires to take those tissues. This is a matter that has aggrieved all of us. All of us have had a family member who has probably died in unnatural circumstances. And we all know that when the person dies and you do a postmortem, in fact, the the experts always say put them to rest immediately after the postmortem. And in fact, you have seen when you go to the any burial site, sometimes there is a matter the police or the courts or families have ordered for an inquest they are fighting. Maybe they are suspecting the widow has poisoned the late deceased person. You have seen that the postmortem is sometimes done at the burial site. So you and I are already worried on the state of the remains of the late president because they may not be preserved properly, especially after Fidaba Baka Kawile for five hours. They've opened up the bodies. Very difficult to preserve the body. I expected government, even at this late hour, to abandon all court processes. This is now my opinion. And to immediately re-engage the family at move on to a koala, okay, things have happened. We regret what has happened. Maybe let's see how we can bury the late president. Because the state of the body at the moment, all of us know, will suffer rapid deterioration. There's no science that will keep the body that has been opened up in that manner. And even the family must have pressure. I think maybe just cremate. Because remains are remains. Anyone involved in this matter is now extremely worried about the remains of the late president. Uyoka Becha, our court, at Impenich Tumbi. And if the body parts are missing, it's not me. It's an inquest act which authorizes a person who's doing a postmotium to get those body parts or body organs or tissues from those organs. He's already explaining himself. Where we are, it's already very bad. You've stolen the body, you've conducted an illegal illegal uh post mortem. Body parts are missing. And you should act with a lot of remorse because this is a very sensitive matter. But no, Kabesha leftumbi. They've no right. They didn't disclose material facts. It's not every battle you win in courts. You should feel for the widow, you should feel for the family. You, Kabesha, you are doing it at the taxpayers' expense. You can fly to South Africa anytime. You've hired the best lawyers in South Africa at the expense of Zambians. You are doing all this in the name of Zambians. Why don't you do the decent thing? And the urgent matter we have is the state of the body. The family must be pressured. Yo, maybe cremate the body. Maybe bury the body. Because no family member, no one would like to see their beloved one, you know, their remains degenerate into something you can't look at. You don't want to do that. But this is what this state has done. To that effect, yesterday, the family, Marshele lawyers, their lawyers, wrote to the state and to the attorney general, outlining how an illegal postmortem and illegal removal of the body were done. They've told that the family is totally aggrieved that you store the body and you've conducted an illegal postmortem and they've put it on record. I personally, taking advantage of my position as former Zambia's High Commissioner to South Africa, have written a letter to the president in South Africa and are letting him to the desecration of the remains of the late president. And have stated that you have your government has no right to desecrate the body of the late president and to violate his right. These things have been done in the name of your officials. Either you've collaborated or you've colluded with the Zambian government, or the South African police, by the attorney general statement, is now blaming the South African police that are the ones that are doing these things. But again, we are aware that the South African process that would allow the police to conduct a post-mortem have not matured. The judge, the magistrate is supposed to rule on 29th May 2026. We want to wakwali sa today, we are not staying long. It's just a broadcast, agent broadcast to alert you that there is a development. Is responding to the expert order. Aebaba court at your the government, I mean the family of the late president must return the body to him or his agent immediately. And he has now even relied, is is in that those documents, is really is uh shifting the blame to the South African police. That the South African police have a right to conduct a postmortem, even remove body parts. Tenende Landa, Nikabesha. Maybe let me get what he has said. Uh uh you you you you see in his application, the authority is relying on the inquest act. If a postmortem was done and body parts were removed, it is not us, it's the South African police and those conducting the postmortem. Because according to the law, they are allowed to remove the body organs, body tissues, or any part that is required for their investigation. Therein lies what they are already defending themselves over an illegal postmortem where where there are body parts of the late president missing. At the moment they do not have the body, and that's why even decisions like to bury the late president or cremate it would require again thought. Because then what do you do with these missing body parts that have been taken without the authority of either a court or law and without a family's consent? And to emphasize August 2025 judgment, what did it say? The August 2025 judgment was very, very clear. It said government were granted authority to pick the remains of the late president and conduct a state funeral in his honor as demanded by the Zambian law. It even says you lay him at Embass Park. But it was a conditional judgment. It says the body must be picked, transported, and buried with the presence of the following. The late president's doctor, Dr. Njovu, the ADC to the late president Chanda, and the family member. Takwariba Dr. Njovu. There was no family member. Even when the lawyers told them the matters are in court, they they said no, the matters have lapsed in the Supreme Court. And we have evidence the matters have not lapsed in the Supreme Court. Because the notice of appeal was filed, heads of arguments were filed, there was another document that should have been filed, there was a holiday in between, but they filed the following day. And even if let's assume they filed it late, they have a right to apply to, because the court is already seized with all these documents. They have a right to apply, to file any missing document out of time. So the Supreme Court process is still there. The appeal, the family are stated, is still there. Then you rely on the High Court order. Yeah, Magaz Part 25. Last year, you say we were given this and we are collecting the body. You collect a body without Dr. Njovu, without Wachanda, without any family member. Wa it walak pretoria. Mwayachta conduct a postmotium. There is no authority for the postmotium. You collect body parts. And then after that, you now say, no, no, no, it's not us. It's actually the South African police. If I twerk, you are South African police. What was Yui Maketo doing at the at the collection of the body? And what was Yui Maketo doing at the post bottom if the Zamian government is not involved? Why did Attorney General issue a comprehensive statement to celebrate we have the body? We are relying on the High Court judgment. And ZNBC Times Daily Kalemba, everyone carried the statement by Murilo Kabesha. Did they have a push up was more temp fia cosa? They realized they had disobeyed the law. They had ignored the high court order that said they should return the body immediately. And Asamboxabina Machaiwapolis, there's a matter in the Randburg magistrate. We have brought the facts correct. There is a matter in the Randbag Magistrate Court where the progressive forces of South Africa has gone to court and wants an inquest because these are strangers to the late president. They also want a postmortem. The judge, the magistrate has heard them, and the matter is coming up on 29th May 2026. Why would the police then pick the body and conduct a postmortem and even remove body parts from the late president? And you are not even handling it any better. Because now you are you are you are, I don't know. So now you've gone to court in your submission, and now you want a body. Again, you are pushing the lie to the family. No, the family didn't disc the court to you, the court, the family didn't disclose that the matter in Supreme Court had lapsed. No, no, no, they didn't disclose that there was an investigation by the South African police over this matter. So you didn't disclose. Give us a body back.

SPEAKER_23 46:26

We have since secured the body, uh, as I did tell you, that uh we only managed to secure the body around uh 11 uh p.m. the other day, and uh we have since taken it to a secure place and uh looking forward to other processes and examinations to ensure that uh what was done was correct and also to have our own opinion as regards what could uh possibly have been what the state may have been interested in as regards the body. That is where we are right now.

SPEAKER_26 47:02

The remainder of the sixty presidents have at no point been in the physical custody of the government of Africa. They were held by the South African police through Africa. These two days which have passed in connection with their equity. Secondly, the government of the Republic of respect and continue to expect every order is to fight. That is not a matter of it. It is a matter of the question of how the format of the public of life is to be laid, to rest is not closed, by the way. Dr. Louis President of Landia. He was head of state, head of government, and commander in chief of the duty, the republic of that office is not extinguished by a single order of the country and government who continued through the proper legal channels and with the patients. This matter required to ensure the honor due to a former head of state are properly discharged. To the local family, the position of the Zubian government is what has been through up. The value of a former head of state was never meant to be appointed. And it needs not remain one. Government's willingness to engage with the family in good faith to find an arrangement that honors the ticket, present, is undeminished. Our position remains undeath.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

And if somebody says there were issues, yes, there always issues, but in death we converted to honor the death to bury the death for the president with all the honors, military honors after the barrier. We talk about anything we are unhappy about.

SPEAKER_41 50:08

Mr. President, your officials are not acting in that wisdom. What they've done is they picked a body without authority of any court or any family member, Mr. President. After they picked a body, they subjected it to a postmortem despite an active high court order. And from Matimuri Lokavesha is saying here, and is let me quote the the specific acts he has quoted in the inquest act. He says, for purposes of any examination in subsection two, any part of any internal organ or any of the contents of a body may be removed, and any body or any part or any internal organ or any other contents of a body so removed, therefore, may be removed and taken to any place, maybe for medical tests and stuff like that. And our saying, why is Kabesha now quoting an inquest are just not necessary in this process? Because no court, no, no court in South Africa has directed that the postmortem be taken. Why is he a court in this law extensively about body parts that can be removed and taken anywhere? Is quoting the law. Yet the law is quoting, like they always do in Zambia. They do an unlawful act, then they read you the law. As if their illegality must be justified by the law. We called for this agent broadcast for this particular matter that is a development in South Africa where the Attorney General has applied to the High Court and he wants a body back. And he says the family didn't disclose material facts when they obtained that court order. Then he has extensively surrendered the matter to the South African police service that they have the right to conduct, pick anybody and conduct for their own investigations, conduct criminal investigation, even do a post-mortem and remove body parts. That's where we are, and that's the purpose of the broadcast today. Call the lines are open and let's hear what your views are.

SPEAKER_23 52:22

We have since secured the body, uh, as I did tell you, that uh we only managed to secure the body around uh 11 uh p.m. the other day, and uh we have since taken it to a secure place and uh looking forward to other processes and examinations to ensure that uh what was done was correct and also to have our own opinion as regards what could uh possibly have been what the the state may have been interested in as regards the body. That is where we are.

SPEAKER_41 52:55

Hello, caller. Let's begin talking. Let me hear from you.

unknown 53:00

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_41 53:02

Good evening.

SPEAKER_05 53:05

Uh Ambassador. I think I did Ashidiava former president. Uh you fiashimurica. I think I have to be mini nepofia, kufu tirokuvati. But send them a pattern about partsender yao. Because if of young says, So, above, vale womba hand in hand. If you remember, kwa dipo issue kumukuya ishukam uh, I think um there was a message. Yokeno mkaposemukoti, no yukasuakumenso, yo line of at Yukachitefi Kapamo. Awabantuale tuangana fekuman. These people are criminals. We are dealing with criminals. These criminals they are now governing this nation. So at the end of the day, Awantu Walai Kalakwatiri mbi, Taveshi we, ifari the panto krasafi, wach techi bay kukoti, wachtechi bayakukoti, and they are very good mkufo krufi avantu. We are dealing with criminals. So now, if India ambassador, imit mashaavantu nashkalipa, if ya la mbokulashta kamuchalu, tafia wame, vale keku ba lung urupolo wa ruba chiki. Wantuwa lungu wali kuatama followers, wa lungu wari kwatama supporters. Awove nwale letama supporters wa, ukutiro kwevati, wale yakuma coats, likeama NGOs, you South Africa. Even other people, they can take naven action munchula yubi. Ama followers walungu. So veambo kuti dawale wa basun kanisaana family walungu, walungu wari kwatama followers. So ama followers inga ba yimba, waka chata chani waliavant, wale kepofihawe. So those people they need to respect the former president. Now, wafka no kumusta respect former president, and Awantu naweka la tondoro, thinking wakekala panch no rupova kungfuani ninshilavaka sanga kuta bingastu na shikamuba former president. Now it seems like they want to show their maso ukula fukula sunganya, uruporungu.

SPEAKER_41 56:07

But a lot of people want to speak and I don't want to stay long. Natasha bayama. Thank you for your contribution. Okay, hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and uh make your contribution. Yeah, hello.

SPEAKER_08 56:28

Hello, uh, hello, hello, hello, good evening.

SPEAKER_41 56:31

Good evening.

SPEAKER_08 56:33

Um I'll be very brief, but straight to the point. Um Ambassador, uh, we all know this first and foremost. Thank you for what you are doing. Um we know we'll you must be an angel on this day that you have never had any believement in the family. Whether you're close friends or whoever, we all know that most sometimes if we differ as a family and friends, usually funerals always bring us together, unite us. And it's it is at this moment that I thought the HH and his team could have used this um funeral to bring uh the family and himself to forgo the past and uh move on. And from the day that this thing happened, you know what comes to my mind is the nothing else but the postmortem. The person who witnessed the postmortem is too young, very, very young, to see the remains of the head of state, the former head of state. You see, even you can go to military, you can go where you have people who are uh assigned at your rank. If you are a warrant officer, your fellow warrant officer officers will do that. What more at the level of uh of a presidency? There must be people who stand even in this, they respect you. But how look at how the man has been believed. This is one thing that uh it hurts and it hates more. Uh allow me in my conclusion to borrow the statement that the other brothers just say uh used Lungo Hardee, or he still has followers. And if those followers are pushed to the corner, they will rise that not even the army, not even the police will protect him. There is no army that can defeat its own people. So let us not have this spirit of defeating them in single as a nation. No, no, we can still learn from other countries to unite this country, which is a beacon of peace. Thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_41 58:43

Thank you. Anonymous, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_39 59:47

But South Africa, they know Edigalungu very well. Even there was South Africa, the first thing he had a cut is called to the president, he went to see him and tell him to say, I'm here. But where was the Minister of Home Affairs and Intelligence to allow such kind of things to happen?

SPEAKER_41 1:00:14

Thank you. Thank you very much. Let's take as many calls as possible. I don't intend to stay long today. Um, alo colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_35 1:00:28

I'll remain anonymous.

SPEAKER_41 1:00:30

Anonymous, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_35 1:00:35

But I think number two one day. Because if no manager, farmer Zambians when they rise up, but you should postpon my nations. Because the Pamina was so.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:17

Such things are not easy. Not to send you mobilum koyesu. Deformashapanono, not to send the mobilum koyesu. After by salad, send a shy and mobilumabu koyenu. If push in a wena sal Afrika, wa police woke sal Africa if we chita, wait a mufy mmu mufia wofy on se. If you tatwe shive ba mwambale jeno, abena salafrika, wa we gotina post moti mwwachitile. Ifufuena zambela twa ishive. Ya ali ya ba salafrika we kave pusheni basal Afrika. Nde wukisha familia li mbaletawa, loya ba lemba, makalata, wumalemba. Uku lundolo nini file stilko pa mwidu wava lungu. Kulinga nanga ubu tekuwa salafrika, fichani ba mule kaweshale. Wesemgulanu kwewati, twowe nukul mwidu wava lungu, two mwuwa lungu. Ubufi wulanu kuwela. Kelo kabinga lumba kwa be na zambia. Awa wantu te wantwa suma. Wantwa mwa wang kawe, awantuamwava vi. Aw neba sevo people, like this people. Na mume n mwale liana wo lieni na wo. Kwe na kunta ensi mkachi mona ili litipo. Utamba fe kuntende kelo. Nawa na mkuete. Nawa na kuwale isa nava nawale sisa kuntani. Wakashama. Ifumule echtefi, litipo. Kabili liti pweli. Ndefoko kulanda kupali profet mwodekai. Prophet monekai ali kwete nisuwa kwa lini kwinesta. Ali wpilwe. Munanda wufumu. Ilio, wa pingwinokwe wokwati, abanaba isla ili wala i paywa wonse. Profet monde kayali shiwokwebati u kupusushu. Wa naba isla nga twa.

SPEAKER_41 1:05:20

Uh uh, brother, the line is quite alokola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. But anonymous landani poi.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:33

Ah, we could cover to shoot by Kulanda Vividi. Elo if you are Kulanda via um depending that you can suggest if you are political machabizu. It didn't be a few by

SPEAKER_41 1:06:23

Uh oh.

SPEAKER_12 1:07:18

Me, the muni few and sympathabo naula no movie while send the monot send usend. Anyway, August period is our bandwagon to Telamoka.

SPEAKER_41 1:07:27

Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:31

Thank you very much, Ambassador Mamba. My name is Uncle Jay.

SPEAKER_41 1:07:34

Uncle Jay, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:37

Thank you again for the information that you've given us. You might serve and get in a china.

unknown 1:07:43

The thing is this, I think this whole thing, they can't hide.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:47

You know, God in his own wisdom, when sin is conceived, it has to reach, you know, to its conclusion. And this is what is happening. This one for me and any one that should not doubt. This is evil, this is witchcraft, this is Satanism, this is, I don't know what I can call it. There is no way. Now, you see how he's trying to preempt the things that are going to come. Hey, yeah, you know, and this is what this um attorney general is doing. Stay away from Isiao's body. You've done the damage already. And this will not die. It is in our hearts, it is in our minds. And we Zambians know it is just a matter of time. I thank you, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_41 1:08:46

Thank you. Let's take as many calls as possible. I'm not staying long today. We should end the broadcast. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_33 1:08:57

Um, I'm Caroline. I'm calling from East London, South Africa.

SPEAKER_41 1:09:01

Caroline, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_33 1:09:04

Yes. Um, in the forkulanda, first took me total uh mum, but if you also for me to chitrafima Zambians, but in and the four Kulanda kofiakovati. Uh now she wa na inofonium, abanaba fungana. Bale Landa, if you into of yourself forenga ama zambia no quiso came me to no ku no kumona oko toy and the quizabu sh to a file uqua quebati uh each one to take it because teniti mashab, tama quaternity my shabban. Taba quaternity mashaban to free and too lusei. So if my zambia shutamulani, because I maka mwano to him. Maka mluaniya. But if you join is show satanist, because I was tishama zambians. So moving wava lungu e tatunubula, put if you're chili. Yes, it's sad. Yes, Baliang will be bad. Darkness, not him, or you know, chant them. Otherwise, I was very disturbed.

SPEAKER_41 1:10:38

But Pali no shit, Kavale is so colour, but I've tell Allocola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_32 1:10:49

Okay, this is Mama Tim.

SPEAKER_41 1:10:52

Mama Tim, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_32 1:11:00

Is it possible that can they allow us to bury? If we can bury this bury, and then it too money number. Especially in South Africa, to sum mini sha, to shiko kuquini. If you feel no pofian biroku chitika, um fuaponango official nancani, a government official was address. Nanguba president, pantuchiku reach tiki. By now he should have addressed the nation to tell us to say this is what is happening in our nation. But he is quiet. They can do whatever they want. Because the Bale Mono Kwebati taparu unga wa unga wasta challenge. Mamonin. What they did was wrong. And then if you feel kwa benuida, munibabufi, fiofine nangumara and that wamiresh. Nomba mlefukubi communa government, dia uko kwa ben oko, mleve po bufi. Nombabufu in the kanjiwa shan kan shababene abantu. Elo imwebaka ve shaimwe. Eto mwala di didat in de fio mobili. A ten futum fio mobili. Wan sho movi do omblefoya noba. Teletemuadisumi no muebe na te u mobili ni kwata natwata nifu mobili. Ba South Africa tetiba kwatea makayak sento mobiru shiru abo, apashi di abantuaba fuminekunuku govement. Aveni mueba kabe shai mui. Tekuwa tibaka in tetabeshi be fifiozawe muleve mulebo mbela pamu. No mba, ififio zenata fifikine kukonse, but ya pe nobafui defebata ba lungu. Ba kaintengawadi shile paseten PC m television. Nokushta dressy chalu. Mwantu, ba yisi o navafu. It'a tine, na liva kanio yakuchi patala. It'a tine, twaaliba kanya about three times. Nombe fifiatika. I'm also human. I also error. Mulenzabananguba family ngata baumfu. Eloya marino balanto kuva tabarenfuya, of which I understand. He should understand why they didn't want him, Kusta nanka, no kushta presa preside pa Mariloya Marum. It's because of the things that he did. That man went and removed him from the airplane. That all that we know. So if you say, if you are therefore kushta apply wisdom, number wisdom, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_41 1:14:07

Thank you very much, Mamati.

SPEAKER_32 1:14:12

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_41 1:14:15

Let's allow as many people as allocola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_28 1:14:23

Thank you very much, my brother. This is Montumususu bordering your property.

SPEAKER_41 1:14:27

Montumususu, just hold on, just hold on. I put you on speaker. Yes, muntumususu, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_28 1:14:34

Am I loud and clear now?

SPEAKER_41 1:14:36

Very loud and clear.

SPEAKER_28 1:14:38

Now that it has been adequately and significantly established on what is at play, that all of you now your minds have been opened up. I think that we need to start now looking at the way forward. Zambia is a Christian nation. Zambia was declared a Christian nation, and God's hands will always be on this nation. My brother Ambassador Immanuel Mwamba, when KK was dying, he gave a speech. And he I've been looking for that speech. And it's important that that speech is read by all Zambians. That speech that KK gave, as he knew, as he knew that these days were drawing near. Zambians must pay a lot of attention to that speech. And I'm saying that that speech actually should be enshrined in all institutions when you have a government that is the which speech is that acknowledged. The speech where he was saying that is the where he was talking about the altars, the altars, where he was breaking the altars. He was talking about the altars. That speech was very direct. That this country had entered into and breaking them. And reaffirming Zambia's declaration as a Christian nation. What is happening now, my brother Ambassador Emmanuel Mwamba, is God at work? Because when people were talking about these things, they appeared to be to be fools. Now, today, everyone in the street of Zambia, you can see for yourself. Eddie Galungu was boarding a plane. He is the president of the armed forces, including the intelligence and everywhere. He has all the information. He knew all the information about Idis Nawaku's health condition. He is the president. He knew everything about the condition of Edigalungo. Ediga Lungo goes to go to the plane, not to go partying, but to go and seek medical attention. You go and stop him from there. What is that? So you people are talking about messy. What messy are you talking about? When you know good, this person has got this type of an illness is going to seek medical attention and you stop him. All those were sufficient indicators that people of Zambia should have understood. So what we are saying is that we are appealing to everybody in this country to say, please, it is good at work. From that speech that KK gave, everything evil that will happen in this country will be exposed. From that speech that KK gave. It means everything that will come thereafter will be exposed. KK said that I don't fear anybody. But the only person I fear to bring division in this country is this person. And are you seeing what is at least? Look at the level of division in this country. Ambassador Manu Mamba, thank you very much for giving us this opportunity to air our grievances. This is the most tragic opportunity that Zambia has ever experienced. What we are saying is that we should remain playful and we thank all these Portugal guys that are conducting plows and we ask them to continue. There is no way evil can strive over good. All the things will be exposed. All their evil activities will be exposed. But now what is wrong is that people must remember that when God says that my people who are called by my name, if they confess their sins and seek my faith, I'll heal their land. We didn't listen when God was saying as Zambians, we must seek forgiveness and ask God to continue fighting for this country. This country is under heavy and serious spiritual attack.

SPEAKER_41 1:19:43

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_28 1:19:44

Thank you very much, Ambassador Manuam.

SPEAKER_41 1:19:46

Thank you.

SPEAKER_28 1:19:48

Thank you.

SPEAKER_41 1:19:49

I've got two callers waiting.

SPEAKER_22 1:20:00

Mr. N from from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_41 1:20:02

Mr. N, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_22 1:20:06

Thank you, Ambassador. Mmapolenim quiet. Bamba to go to watch the chili chuanse. Muleva careful side, the sana, nothing but careful. But watch the chili chowance.

SPEAKER_41 1:21:03

Thank you very much for that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_22 1:21:07

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_41 1:21:10

Allo colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_22 1:21:14

Hello.

SPEAKER_41 1:21:20

Just a minute, just a minute, mama. Just a minute. Yes, mama. Make your contributions. Yes, mama.

SPEAKER_29 1:21:31

Calling you from thank you. Um yes. Ah, Mr. Mwamba, Jira Mwani Mujisi. A babantu ababatu sampula maningi. Ali mmuebatu hianso ni maningi su. Notuza wabumu sanzo. Lambo malwe haya angua leta munyga malwe hamaningi. Batu sampula. Ino, disola wu wambaola wubantu bazo we sua mujanga. Kamujanga nies intuija wole. Inotamai. Mazba wola wumbe, batuba no tulanga nya wutimu. Rambo tonse inuba no tulanga wumbuli wuti tu eya, mbuyeo, you simale wali ule la nyiga. Batu sample maningi mwand. Che andabo wamba wuti malway and wovale tanguniga. Teja noya, pe. So that's all I wanted to say, Mr. Mwwamba. Thank you very, very sad. A very sad development indeed.

SPEAKER_41 1:22:42

Thank you, mama. Thank you very much. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Hello, cola. M K.

SPEAKER_24 1:23:01

Yes, am I audible?

SPEAKER_41 1:23:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_24 1:23:06

Ramamba, I wanted to say something. You know, you know, Mamwamba, this this evening uh and today especially. Uh I've been so disappointed how we are handling this issue of protecting uh ECAO in this as the Patriotic Front. This uh whole thing, what is happening, we don't have strategy. We cannot be a people that all of us we just want to be presidents. Let's have responsibility in the way that we are going to under this presidency and protecting our late president.

SPEAKER_41 1:23:45

So many guys sorry, sorry, it's cut. Be brief and be clear. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. The line I think just dropped. Um, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Tandio from Slovenia, make your contribution, my sister.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:24

Yes, Ambassador. Really, my heart bleeds to see that the government has insisted on wanting to have access to the body, wanting to have the body of ECL. At first, they managed to have access at the pretext that they wanted the that the court order had uh uh had lapsed. But after backlash or whatever they decided to do with the body, and the court order from the court which told them to return back the body, we saw that there had no intentions of retaining the body until President Makebizolu had to go back to go and demand uh to glank shokuli body. First of all, I thought after all this embarrassment, the government was going to let go, just like we were told to say HS is ready to let go. But uh, Habugwanga, this is how God exposes people. Whatever they've done is not enough. It looks like HH, enough. He wants to close his ritual by ensuring that the president, the former head of state, is put in that war which he dug by Embassy Pack. That's why the insistence. Because by HS Navakawishing availant, what they've done to ECL is not something that any normal person would wish even on them. They went and mutilated the former head of state. They did that. They left him. And as though that's not enough, they want to cleanse themselves by saying it's the South African police. That's that is that process. Then this is the way the procedure has to be taken. They are trying to preempt whatever they've done so that in an event that the family discloses whatever has been missing from the former head of state's body, then they will say no, it's the police who did it. This is a spiritual battle. Because taquwa bata grota kuakabe, this insistance. But any case, maybe let's put things to the correct uh the correct perspective. The Lungo family, the Place, they did not deny Ukwebatbalungu funeral. All they asked for was dignity. And they requested that HH respects the wishes of the dead. The wishes were that he should not be anywhere near his remains, nor preside over the funeral. This is something that the family communicated to the nation. And the family was ready to bring the body until that leaked program. 10 months ago, HH was ready not to attend the funeral. Again, if their body parts missing, then simply means the police would have carried them for whatever reasons to do with uh Yokosmutembalepang. When Azambia Sukena means they still want access to the former head of state's body because they want to put closure to their rituals. They will not rest until Zambian, then I'm calling upon all prayer for Zambians to rise to the occasion. This thing is more spiritual than we think. There's no way somebody can be so, so, so obsessed, no movie to this extent. I I expected that after and withdraw the case and let the family bury wow. But now when they still want the body, for what? Whatever you got, is it not enough? You want the body for what? Thank you, Mamma.

SPEAKER_41 1:29:56

Thank you. No, this is not the video I'm looking for. The caller talked about a video where President Kaunda talked about um the renunciation uh of any order that were created against Zambia. I thought that was a video because you know I'm live and I just downloaded it, but I'm still looking for it. It was a very profound video where President Kawunda literally um affirmed that he would dis you know that we should dismantle evil autos. Because remember, we had uh President Zatta died in office, and that's that statement was very significant. I'll look for it and I'll play it. Alo Kola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_36 1:33:17

Hi, Ambassador Mwamba, this is uh Queen Pumi.

SPEAKER_41 1:33:20

Queen Pumi, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_36 1:33:23

Thank you so much. Uh, it's a very sad development which has happened today. And uh forensic autopsy, because Mwajland that they took some body parts. So I was just doing a research, and for forensic autopsy, for poisoning, they look at the liver, the kidney, and the stomach, and they say that they don't remove parts. They just remove simple issue and they put it back. They put it back. So the sample tissue is just a small, um a small piece of the of what whatever organ that's uh, for example, in food poisoning or whatever poisoning, the three organs, they get samples from there. So to hear that Navalena Babu Lama parts and actually kind of justifying why they do it is really disheartening.

SPEAKER_41 1:34:19

Yes, my dear sister, you are my co-anchor. So I was uh I was uh I'm worried about the manner in which Kavesha has relied on the inquest act. First, what is in court is for him to return the board. He's just supposed to defend himself, but in his defense, he's washing the matter to the police, and then he's quoting the inquest act that says when the postmortem is done, according to the South African law, any body part, any body organ, any body tissue can be taken, and we can be taken to any other place. And I was wondering why is relying face is pushing the matter to the police, and he's already telling us that law that body parts can be gotten from such a body, and the law he has quoted is very extensive. A body part, body organ, and body tissues. So I'm my my my I'm asking why is he first of all pushing the blame to the South African police? And why is he talking about missing body parts?

SPEAKER_36 1:35:30

And we are not naive. We are not naive. Thank God we are living in a in the glow in a technology world where all information is at our fingertips, you know, and they have the these 48 hours already. So all toxicology reports sing any poisoning, we need the results. And there is nowhere at this point, if family members should have been there to ensure that they didn't get a participant. And lastly, I want to say that at this point, uh, they are blaming the South African government. So I think we as Zambians should seek for an independent mediator because now it's like the South African government and the Zambian government are working together to confuse us. We all know what has been happening from Jari Motwov, Miss Kos, Nina Ganga, Pushi. So we as Zambians need to find an independent mediator because you know it's like a I don't know, I don't trust the South African government at this point. They have not made a statement, they allowed their police to violate our president, our former president. So this is my contribution, Ramwamba.

SPEAKER_41 1:36:48

I like your part where you said according to your investigations, if they are in pursuing allegations of poison, which they are alleging in this case, is that they can only take tissues, not organs or body parts. Thank you for that information. Thank you, my dear sister. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_27 1:37:30

You know, some of us we've always been like proud Zambians uh abroad cunotways.

SPEAKER_41 1:37:51

Even when you were somewhere, you rush just to come and have these discussions with the people of Zambia.

SPEAKER_27 1:38:03

Hello, I am about to type C and Tech Tom of We could never assist to me. Some of you people have contributed positively challenges. Before some of us, we never thought we would ever live through an error if you have Balaso. But he never assists to me, and we can jam it stuck on the fight of night, then we have some fight. We want Ambassador Moderator because he's usually sticker. Although I'm saying this I have uh three questions for you, Ambassador. So obsession yaw, a question in the obsession with the the former ruling party and its leaders. Yes, ma pesa, because four years ambassador. If you have a stuff and go into something like what I mean if you want to see them soon. Second question, third question. Any statement, then my question is not what Ambassador is to reiterate necessary from your perspective, your obsession you have a ruling party with uh the former party, even after all these years, the party they defeated by millions, a million votes. Yeah, for my quiz. Oh, oh, if the pushalo ambassador, she's special about a Gen Z. If you feel a sticker, could you push it alone, too at the serve channel? Oh, so it's an abuse. What you won't say, Charles, what's the talk about the man? Now for Muntu. What's the server country or last? Diplomatic relations with South Africa. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_41 1:41:04

Thank you. Thank you. Just a minute, just a minute. Yes, Cola, we can hear you now.

SPEAKER_30 1:41:42

Okay, good evening, Ambassador. And uh I just wanted to have a very short contribution. I hope it will be short. Uh, I've had a lot of questions. Um, according to investigations that normally are done, they are done uh on the basis that um there is evidence uh for for this thing, whatever uh something that you want to do. Um why am I saying like that? Remember, this poisoning story, it kind of came from some some places. We don't know where it came from when they said they want to do postmortem on on that PSA, uh, to say he died of um uh poisoning.

SPEAKER_41 1:42:29

Now I I want to agree with you there, my sister, because when the late president died, you know, a death certificate was issued by his by the doctors that were attending to him. On record, there is uh Dr. Sandy Le Bouteles, who's the director general of the South African National Department of Health, who issued the death certificate and decided the exact cause of the death of the president, and uh he he gave uh you know there is a death certificate anyway. You saw even the state to embarrass um to embarrass President Lungu's family at the height of the debate, they even release that death certificate because it was released to the embassy for them to process repatriation documents for the late presidents remains. So the embassy had uh um a death certificate that was issued by Dr. Sandile Butelezi, who explained the circumstances under which the late president died. So to come and now deal with these issues is again another matter, is another matter. Continue. I just wanted to address that.

SPEAKER_30 1:43:38

Yeah, because for me, Ambassador, I'm finding this whole thing to be really stressing on the part of the family. Because as the as the nation and as people who love, you know, at some point, what they say and what they do, they do not match. You want to show you know the public, that the Zambians to say, no, we are actually not the ones involved. No, it's this and that. You are telling the nation. You are pushing for other things. Like now, what we thought is now the president to let go of this. The next thing we are just being told, no, they're again asking for. They've gone back to court for some things. So you want to keep that and force that and force the family to just be going to court? Is that fair, really? Or is this some kind of a game? Or is it something that they want to keep uh Mackey, who seems to be the lawyer, uh, I mean the spokesperson for the family, and because he's looking at standing as a pres as a presidential candidate, uh, and so they want to keep him back and forth so that he doesn't have time to campaign. Is that why we are having all this? Is it a game? Please have some kind of humanity in that. We are asking, as citizens of the country of Zambia, the Akateka, the HHC, have some humanity in you, sir. Whatever it is. And I hear people saying rituals, this and that. Ambassador Mamba, if he's a scared to say he's going to die, his friend just died. I mean, we are all going to die. So there's no need. You can just prove to the landers to say, oh, you people are telling me that I'm going to use this for rituals. I'm not doing this for rituals. I just wanted to do it for humanity. But because I want to prove to you that I did it for humanity, let's bury the president and in peace. It's as simple as that. If we can apply that to humanity, Ambassador, I have a question. I have a question. If today I came and I said that vote was not for Balungu again on the ESA, they'll go and start doing other court uh processes. I'm just asking. There are a lot of questions in my thank Ambassador.

SPEAKER_41 1:46:06

It's very sad what you've been saying. First, they said President Lungu is is alive. They even sponsored that gentleman from Shuyunji. Now he said no President Lungu was secretly buried. No President Lungu is uh caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_36 1:46:25

Sorry, Ambassador is me again. I forgot one thing. So, yes.

SPEAKER_41 1:46:32

Thank you.

SPEAKER_36 1:46:32

So the the the I want to bring Zambians, let them examine at the conflicting statements why today they say this and tomorrow they come and say this. And to me, southern defi, elongabi kufuti by sachi in jurula. Now, and how many times have they done this? So, in short, you uretungizamja nina ni. Pantunga ni we wokate, she we did more. Avantuba mfu. You know, you stand by your word. You are supposed to be a leader of your word. But you know this thing of my side bachin' you are flip flip-flopping. So we now we must scrutinize Bushe. Avade, who is really controlling this country and making the shots?

SPEAKER_41 1:47:29

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_36 1:47:33

Yo, we are done morning, we have moved on. Then the next thing a lawsuit. What is this?

SPEAKER_41 1:47:40

Thank you. Thank you. Alakola, please, and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:49

Yes, our speakers are anonymous bamba.

SPEAKER_41 1:47:52

Yes, anonymous.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:55

Yeah. Uh bamba, ine therefore, I feel like I don't want to talk about the funeral and the the barrier of the the late president because it's so disheartening, and being somebody who's coming from the east. Okay. Bamwamba, in a lala face that if you people you power, then by UPND, look at how people are suffering today. A lot of people want to kick UPND out of power, but they cannot speak because there are laws that which uh the opposition, some opposition members of parliament allowed the UPND to make so that the Zambians can be silenced. Believe you me, people in 2021 wanted change, but they never wanted this man. They never wanted this man. This man was rejected so many times by the Zambian people. But because people wanted the change, and they changed in uh in the sense that they accused the previous regime of having been collapsed. So they were labeled like that. But today, the same people who they reported to be collapsed, they are in UPND. He's a clean man because by UPND, they are a washing machine for criminals.

SPEAKER_41 1:49:44

Thank you, my brother. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:49

Find a way up to that.

SPEAKER_31 1:50:07

Thank you so much. Thank you, but Jesus Christ was crucified. Jesus Christ was like uh like a wild animal and he was found. He was touched, he was butchered, and then he was crucified. Yeah, when Jesus resurrected Mary, the mother, now it down and cried. If you remember if it's valid, is a ready. So it's not Maria. We ladia Maria. We ladia Maria Maria. Yes, yes, but now we ladia Maria. And for sure.

SPEAKER_41 1:52:01

Thank you very much, thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_19 1:52:12

If I cannot move out of my country's Ania to go for medication at my own expense, and I'm pulled out of a plane to say go back home and die, that for me constitutes house arrest. I will not die a peaceful move out of my country's ambia to go for medication at my own expense, and I'm pulled out of a plane to say go back home and die. That for me constitutes house arrest. I will not die a peaceful death if I was to die today without restoring PFO to what it is. By the way, I've been saying to people who want me to reconcile with the president that look, the only way we can start talking about reconciliation is for the man to begin restoring democracy. And how he restores democracy to me is by restoring the legitimate leadership into PFO, where we were on 23rd October 2023, where we had elected leaders myself as president and others, including our ST and everybody. Once he restores that, he tells his people in the civil service to say, guys, can you correct this? The register record to show the true reflection of the leadership of the party, they don't know how to go. They've done that with other political parties as a system, and I can't allow that. So we are going to fight. So talk of retirement, you retire when you are comfortable. But things are okay. But when you're an old man and you see things are being messed up, and you sit and watch the children. No, you put on your your warrior garb and you take your spear and your cigai and your chemtung and you can't fight with them. That's what they do. So that's what I've done. So I've come back because democracy has been uh disseminated, democracy is being killed. You know the political parties, they just pick and choose and go and destroy. So I should sit there that you did my part. I'm not yet finished. The party, friends, and all. So I only lamented that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying no, we want to protect you. No, uh you see the meaning of the president to be saying to be going without this or that. I said, I I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I'm not complaining at all. The time that I have complained is when I've been harassed. I said you tripped me of everything by leave my life, my dignity and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute, I walk the street. I said you've tripped me of everything by leaving my link by my dignity and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. I said you trip me of everything by leaving my link by my dignity and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. One minute I walk the street. Somebody says you can't walk the street because you're full president. You are in danger of being attacked by people I can attack you as well. That's why we're following you. The next minute I said, But you didn't know that I was full of president. When you shoot me of these things, please go and put your house in order. The next minute I want to go to church, somebody goes into a church and says, Oh, the party I traveled to South Africa a day after the president died.

SPEAKER_34 1:55:38

And I can say with all my heart truthfully that I've had the opportunity to see the body. To see the body, yes. So it is a total lie. It is inhuman to even think that maybe somebody is telling lies. No. Our former president is gone and he has been lying in the mug for nine months. It is so unfortunate. I don't know who we have become, even as a people. How we the people of Zambia have been able to accept such a situation. And we have to understand that there are implications keeping a person embaried. What does it mean? And especially one who had the key to the nation, who ruled the nation for seven years, who did so much in the nation, you know, the inhuman treatment of the widow and the children. Do you think that things can be well with us? It can't.

SPEAKER_38 1:56:55

And he's a man of God. Bishop, is there anything to do with the significance of a dead person? The body. And I was wondering why he's asking. I said it's a yes and no, it depends on the person who has died. If the person who has died was injured with power with the power of God, the body is significant in the spiritual realm. This is why, when a dead soldier was thrown in the grave of a prophet Elisha, whose mentee ran away from being mentored because he went after Manegas, the anointing still remained on the body of Elisha. So later in the history of Israel, when they were fighting battle, the body of a dead soldier was thrown into the grave of Elisha. Moment it hit the body of the bones of Elijah, the soldier woke up. Yes, that body was significant. When a person was a leader and he dies, the body is significant. In the spiritual realm, they fight for it. That's why Jude says there was a battle between this devil himself, not a demon, Satan and archangel Michael over the body of Moses. Because it is significant. So yes, bodies of certain people can be significant, and there can be a fight over that. I don't mean anything. I was answering a man of God yesterday.

SPEAKER_26 1:59:33

And who has told them that he wants to be near the casket anyway? Who has told them that he wants to be near the casket? You see, they want to say he shouldn't see the body. But who has told them that he wants to see the body?

SPEAKER_42 1:59:57

Why these speculations? Maybe it's because you're arguing that really this must happen.

SPEAKER_26 2:00:01

Maybe that's why the assumptions maybe the court was asking them.

SPEAKER_25 2:00:06

Presiding. The court was asking. Their lawyer couldn't explain. Presiding. You yourselves, in your written notes, you are saying Bishop Arik Bada should preside.

SPEAKER_20 2:00:27

I have not come across a single man in politics which we are thinking of. I can't say no.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:06

He was a head of state. And if somebody says there were issues, yes, there are always issues. But in death we converge to honor the dead, to bury them. Decent for the president with all the honors, military honors. After the burial, we talk about anything we're unhappy about.