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LIVE NOW; WE REVIEW EVENTS SURROUNDING ZAMBIA'S SIXTH PRESIDENT, EDGAR CHAGWA LUNGU
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SPEAKER_15If I may get your lordship's permission to read the terms of the order. My learned friend tells me that his attendance are uploading it on FaceLines. There is someone printing it. I don't think it's going to happen unless it's happened.
SPEAKER_02Thank you.
SPEAKER_15Thank you, my lord. Your Lordship will see the front page simply records that it's your lordship dealing with the matter and the identities of the parties, which does include mountain burial services. The terms of the order are as follows. Having read the papers filed of record and by agreement between the parties, the following order is made. One, the order granted exparture on urgent basis on 22 April 2026 by the Honorable Judge Francis Subia is reconsidered and set aside. Two, by agreement between the parties, the applicants and the fourth respondents. Yes, the body of the late President Edgar Lungo shall forthwith be placed in the care of Avbob Pretoria East. The cost shall be borne by the government of Zambia. In the event of refusal by Avbob to accept the appointment, the court shall make the appointment of the mortuary. 3. The order in paragraph 2 above shall operate pending the finalization of the appeal under case number 1024 2025 in the Supreme Court of Appeal. Or until the Supreme Court of Appeal makes its order in terms of clause three above, the first to seven applicants shall retain their right of access to the body as per the court order of Ledwaba AJP on 25 2025. 5. Any other person who wishes to access the body for any purpose shall first obtain a court order on notice to the applicants.
SPEAKER_02How do you envisage the mechanics of the last part of paragraph 2? Um if there is an issue with uh purity east. The court then must make the appointment. How do you envisage the mechanics of that procedure?
SPEAKER_15Well, my lord, the only way I can think about Mr. We will give you our preferred mortuary. The government of Zambia will give you its preferred mortuary, and the court may decide that neither of them is sufficient and then simply the appointment today. Yes, uh I hope so.
SPEAKER_02Um either today or tomorrow.
SPEAKER_15Uh it will happen shortly uh after today.
SPEAKER_02Uh finance from Zambia are in court uh the government is also I just want us all to be on the same page as to the formalities in respect of that. Can we arrange then without uh incorporating that into the order that you will contact my registrar and just uh make these submissions via uh email and then I will deal with it? That can also happen tomorrow.
SPEAKER_15Indeed. Uh if there's a problem, we would probably let you know by close of business today.
SPEAKER_02Yes. We're all thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01I can confirm that, my lord, and may I just correct my appearance? I appear on behalf of the Fort Farmers World My Learner Junior and Quit Markets.
SPEAKER_02Yes, thank you. Is there anything else?
SPEAKER_15Uh no, my lord. I I wondered whether there is a reason to reserve the costs. But whether our students say that there is no order as the cost.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Um according to paragraph six, uh costs are reserved, but I mean to where to no. I do not think this is an appropriate matter that costs should be reserved, and I don't think it's an appropriate matter that costs should be made um in favor of any other parties. My premier for his views, there should be no orders to cost Mrs.
SPEAKER_24Have you ever heard me ask Stay the focus eyes on the ball? Because if I start quarreling on everything, let me use this opportunity to say something. We need to bury the sixth president and bury him in his home in Zambia. We need to give him a decent burial, a military barrier, because he was a commander-in-chief. There's no issue of who quarreled with who. We are beyond that. Where we are is responsibility, duty, Zambian character, African values to bury the dead. When you have issues, you discuss after burial. Even in families, that's what we do, isn't it? I brought this subject. Please don't push it too much. I've just brought it to show you that the kind of stuff I'm reading on social media now, insults this way, left, insults this way, right. I want to guide the nation. Let's stop this kind of stuff. I don't believe in witchcraft myself. I don't. I'm a Christian. I'm an elder in the church. I'm an Adventist. But all the body of Christ is one. We are a Christian nation. How come in a Christian nation we are now talking witchcraft? We believe in witchcraft. No. What would I do with the body parts of anybody? Really speak. Let's talk sense here. What would I do with that? If I believed in witchcraft myself, in the years I was being persecuted here in Kitu, in Chingola, when we were almost killed in Chingola, how they've been hiring angers, I have a bit of a bit of money. How they've been hiring hangers. I never went to Nangas myself. In my family, the HS family, you will never find a Nanga there. I don't believe in that. We don't believe. I'm glad that my wife doesn't. We've taught our children not to waste time, they've issues prayer. But they must work. People are talking about who is doing witchcraft on this, on what, on what. No. Postmortem is a normal thing. Especially when people allege that this person was poisoned. A postmortem is necessary. And the churches, I'm listening to what churches are saying. Churches must be part of the solution, not to be part of the problem. If you are a genuine church leader, be part of the solution. Don't put fuel on the fire. Especially an artificial fire like this. Let's respect the sixth president. Let's bury him where the other five aligned. It's now presidency. It is now law because there was a litigation. The sixth president, when he was in office, President Kaunda died. And some family members of President Kaunda, including the late Kawechi, may he so rest in peace. And may KK is so rest in peace. Did not want KK to be buried at Embers Park. But the sixth president, when he was in charge, the one who is now, we are fighting over to bury, simply say to the family, we are burying the president Kaunda at Embers Park. If you want, come to the funeral. If you don't want, don't come. This is the man who is lying there. He was the head of state. We all listened to him. Okay, I was not allowed to go to that funeral, but I followed it on television. And he did the right thing. I want to commend the sixth president, President Lungu, for that decision. It was the right decision. And we all followed as citizens. What is different now? What is different now? Can we stop this sort of eating each other's fabric? Insulting each other. I'm guiding as head of state now, as your chief servant. Can we direct our attention to things that require attention? Let us bury the sixth president at Embers Park. That's what it's all about. When you are head of state, you swear in to protect the constitution and to protect all citizens, young, old. Differently abort. Those who like you, those who don't like you. You work to protect all of them.
SPEAKER_19That's what we challenge.
SPEAKER_28We want to protect you. I'm not complaining at all. The time I have complained is when I've been hurt. I said you should be with everything by my liberty, my liberty rights. That's what I'm saying. Even now, one minute you walk the street. Somebody says you can't walk the street because you're former president. You are in danger of being attacked, and people have to attack you, and we'll be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. Next minute I said, you really didn't know that I was former president. When you were stripping of these things, please Good day.
SPEAKER_16Welcome to today's broadcast, 30th April 2026. Tomorrow we have Workers' Day, May Day. It's called by Labor Day, it's called by various names across the world. But this is a day we celebrate our workers. The people that anchor our economy, the people that feed families. And when you have a country like Zambia where there are no jobs and people willing to work, up to 90% do not have jobs. It's a stark reminder of that there's a day created for workers and our workers remain unemployed. And this is a day that will be tomorrow. But we besiege you today on Thursday coming to update you of things occurring. There's been a development in the High Court in Pretoria. You saw the two parties meet in court earlier in the week. Sad development. We learned that the Attorney General Marilo Kavesha lied to the country, lied to the Mochari, and claimed that the appeal by the family in the Supreme Court had lapsed, and therefore he was getting custody of the body. As stated by the August 25th, 2025 judgment, he says that's the only subsisting authority. He got a body, conducted an illegal postmortem, removed body parts from the body. And by the time the family was getting a court order, getting hold of the body, it was too late. Kabesha and his goons, he decided to ignore the high court order that was given, restraining the police, the police commissioner Murilo Kabesha and the South African government to return the body immediately. Murilo Kabesha totally ignored that order, proceeded to conduct an illegal post-mortem under the guise that there was a police investigation. And again, when you look at the facts, that police investigation has not matured because the matter is only coming up in the magistrate court in Randbeg for determination whether there should be an inquest or post-mortem on 20, I think 27th May 2026. So under what authority was the postmortem gotten? And then we're shocked the other day when came to court demanding that the family surrender the body. And that was a hearing that was taking place today. And the court has ruled that the two parties have agreed that the body will be in a mutually recognized mortuary. Access has previously been given by the court was at one to seventh plaintiff who is the family and the doctor and Makebezulua as a spokesperson have unfettered access to those remains. But if anyone from the other side the state or any other should have access to the body, they were required to go back to court for the court to give that access. That was the outcome of today's uh court matters that was highly advertised. Everyone is saying, resolve this matter, settle the matter, put the president to rest. Don't subject him to this humiliation that the state has subjected the president to. Here they are. Even after conducting an illegal postmortem, they still want a body. You heard the president. The president casually talking about a postmortem, that it is normal. Mr. President, that postmortem is not normal. A normal postmortem requires authority and consent of the family. It doesn't matter the circumstances. President Edgar Long was not a vagabond. They didn't pick him as an unclaimed body from the street. The president is represented. He has family, well-known family. To conduct an illegal postmortem on him and Mr. President to say postmortem is normal, it's okay. Mr. President, it's not okay. The law is very clear. How any postmortem under any investigation, either family or police investigation, the autopsy must be done with constant authority and presence of the family. And the laws are very clear in South Africa. So under what circumstances was this postmortem done? The president casually just attended to it and said it is normal for a postmortem to be done. No, Mr. President, it's not normal. You get a body, you are you ignore court order. There was an order to your attorney general, Mr. President, for you to return the body. You did not return the body. You proceeded to conduct an illegal postmortem when there was a clear court order for you to return the body. We hope that decency will now rise. Today I'm privileged to host a dear brother of mine, a very senior member of the clergy in Pretoria. Um, my dear brother uh Reverend Chilequa Umlenga. Reverend Chile Kwa Mlenga, I can see you are in the studio. Um I would ask that uh we you you put your phone in in landscape. Is that difficult? Hello, Reverend. Oh, there are two things you need to do. Um first of all, see the issue of volume. I have no volume from you, and in landscape, authorize uh your your phone. You can go to the drop-down menu and authorize rotation. When you authorize that icon for rotation, the phone will be in landscape. Go to the drop-down menu, look for that rotation for the phone. Uh uh agree with it. Uh yeah, because you are in um you are in uh uh you are in uh uh uh profile, and the profile will give a lot of shares, not good for broadcast. So do those two things. So we are hosting uh senior cleric from Ngola. His name is Reverend Um my dear brother Reverend Chilekwa Mlenga. And let me just tell you he is briefly um um Reverend Chilekwa Mlenga is a Zambian citizen, senior cleric based in Indola on the Copper Belt, is professionally trained as a modern management administrator with the Cambridge of the United Kingdom, is an apostle by calling and is an ordained cleric, is duly gazetted under the laws of Zambia as a marine minister and commissioner of votes. Reverend Chilequa is a certified Christian chaplain under the IFCC of USA. There's something I found out here in the United Kingdom about chaplaincy. You know, companies are directed here. Human resources is truly human resources. Under human resource sections and departments, they hire psychologists, but they also hire chaplains. So you have a lot of pastors who have done chaplaincy, like uh Reverend I can see here, he has done a chaplain chaplaincy study who are employed under professional companies. All these bug big companies have a chaplain. Sometimes they have praying quarters in their uh company premises, either for Muslims and for Christians. Sometimes they even have chapel hours. I thought that is a good way to manage your human resource if they are going through stress, emotion. Sometimes there are issues even coming from home that might affect productivity. And chaplaincy is a very big thing. Yeah. That looks good, Reverend. Uh uh, thank you so much. If your volume is okay, that's better now.
SPEAKER_27Um thank you.
SPEAKER_16Uh, just uh good evening. I was just discussing who you are. Briefly tell us about yourself and we begin the program.
SPEAKER_26Uh thank you so much for the invitation, um, Ambassador Emmanuel uh Mwamba. I would like to begin with a prayer. Uh, obviously, uh, the matters for us to discuss are of national interest, and Zambia is a Christian nation. And I know a lot of people are tuned in to this program. Shall we pray? Father in heaven, in the name of Jesus, we want to say thank you for who you are and what you mean to us. Lord, as we get into this program to discuss matters of interest to the nation of Zambia, a nation you love, we pray, oh God, that you will guide us and that in all things your name will be glorified. We thank you for Ambassador Immanuel Mwamba and all the viewers. And Lord, I pray that receive the glory. This we pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Thank you so much for inviting me, Ambassador Emmanuel Mwamba, and good evening to the listeners and those watching us across the world. Thank you.
SPEAKER_16Thank you, man of God. You know the matters we are discussing regards the motor remains of the late president that have not been to put to rest to date. But let's start with just briefly talking about you. I was doing an intro, but uh just help me with who uh Reverend uh Chilekomlenga is.
SPEAKER_26Thank you so much. Uh, Reverend Chilekom Lenga is uh a Zambian citizen, an ordained uh cleric, and I've been in ministry for you know uh over two and a half decades. Uh I'm uh happily married with uh three children, and I'm a man with great passion for truth and justice, and currently I'm a senior past of the congregation, and I serve on different boards. Uh, when you invited me to feature on this program, I did send to you my humble profile. And so uh to respond to your question, that is refree about the servant of God. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_16You've been following this matter, and I've just played some videos, including the remarks by the president, that he doesn't believe in witchcraft and is therefore shocked at the allegations against him, that he could be interested in body parts, or he is about to do witchcraft on the late president's remainder. You saw uh another senior cleric in our country, the Archbishop Ignatius Chamber, who is president of the Zambia Conference of Catholic Bishops, literally reprimand government and urging them to settle this matter so that we can have peace with the widow and the family, and that the country has been traumatized in the poor manner in which the state has handled this matter. Please give us your thoughts about this matter.
SPEAKER_26Thank you so much. What is happening in our nation currently over the remains of a dear departed uh sixth Republican president, Dr. Ediger Chagualungu, is very unfortunate. It's beyond uh you know legal dispute, it's beyond uh political, you know, uh discourse. It's it's it's this is a national sin. Uh, the nation has sinned, and we all need to be sacked and repent. And uh, before I even go into uh responding to your question with your permission, I want us to pause for a moment of silence in honor of uh the late Republican president, and given that tomorrow is Labor Day, this is the man that labored in this nation, and we need to honor him. I request a moment of silence. Thank you so much, Ambassador. Coming to your question, it's important that we give a background of where we are coming, where we are coming from, and what has led us to where we are. There are a lot of stories going around social media in the papers and fusion in the nation, unnecessary confusion. Uh, lots of people in our pains to just understand what is going on, especially the recent incident in South Africa where we just uh woke up one day only to hear that the body, uh the remains of uh our former Republican president have been taken away, I mean stolen, and uh you know strange mortal being conducted is quite uh sad. Now we need to go back to President Lungu, as we all know, served this great nation for seven years, and uh in 2021, when uh the UPND won the elections, President Edgar Lungu uh, you know, actually not long from uh those elections that he peacefully you know uh uh uh uh uh gave power, you know, as it were. You know, we also in the stadium it was very peaceful, he handed over, and he did recognize his excellency president Hakka in H Lema as Republican president, and so later we saw that uh President Lungu did write to the government expressing his intention to uh you know uh retire. We also that particular letter, and then you know, fast forward in uh 2023 after a lot of happening where I was being restricted in as far as his freedom of movement and expression is concerned, it is on record, I don't need to belabel the point. He came back into active politics October 2023, and from there it is very clear from the uh from the benefits of former president's act. I don't need to go through that, I've got it just in front of me. If you allow me, I can read it for the people, but then one of the conditions is that the moment uh a former president you know comes back into active politics, they forfeit. In fact, the word used there is uh you know, benefits are forfeited if the former president returns to active politics, and so that is exactly what happened. President Ed Galungu retired, came back to active politics, he forfeited the benefit, and this is confirmed by the fact that when he was sick up to the time that he went to South Africa to seek for medical uh you know attention, the state did not support him in the manner that the former head of state on government payroll is supposed to be supported because he has forfeited his benefits. You know, security was taken away from him. We all know that. So to say that they need to accord the state funeral, a dignified funeral, because these are the words that have been coming out. Yes, he is former head of state, and yes, he deserves a deficiency barrier. But then we need to understand something here that in the case of President Lungu, who returned to active politics and forfeited the benefits accorded by a former head of state, President Lugu was no longer on government play role, like in the case of uh other presidents that died before President Lungu. And so, this issue of saying, you know, it is the map that must be you know uh put to rest at Embassy Park, where the other presidents are, needs to be you know understood because there is a difference between President Lungu and the President Chuluba, for instance, and you know, President, you know, just to give an example, and so it's very important, Ambassador Mwamba, for people to get to understand where we are coming from. So it means that this issue of uh putting to rest President Ed Galongo can never be done without the consent of the family. And so President Edgar Longo went to South Africa. Yes, a former head of state who was not on government play role, he went at his own court, he was in South Africa and he died there last year June 2025, and then now all the drama category are failing to understand why the state has handled this particular matter in this matter to the point of traumatizing not only the law of family but the entire nation. The nation has become more divided over this particular matter, and may God love the nation of Zambia. And I'm saying it's important to put as they are. So I thought I should just begin from where we are coming from to understand what we have got up where we are, so that we can now get to uh understand it rather than see how we put colonial on this particular matter. It is extremely disappointing how the state has handled the remains of President Eddie Alung, understanding what happens in South Africa going to get the remains of the former head of state. When you look at the vehicle that was used, it's as if they were just carrying the body of somebody that was ordinary, and without the presence of the family, contrary to the orders of the court, matters are still before the honorable court, then proceeded with the postmatem without the presence of the family, which defies the law and defies our Zambian culture, African culture, and governments need to handle themselves and see that the way they handle this particular matter is not right. And I don't think anyone should actually be supporting government on this matter. When we say government here, you haven't done well, we are not in any way trying to fight the government because this is why people want to put it. Let's call the spread the space, let's call it for what it is. The manner in which the state has handled the remaining of our departed former head of state is not right.
SPEAKER_16Correct, correct. Um, I'm actually disturbed, you know, by today's hearing because the matters have been suspended because there is a supreme court process. And remember, yeah, Murilo Kabesha told the nation that the Supreme Court process had lapsed, and therefore he had a right to the Body, so this entire process has been marred by lies and lies and lies for whatever purposes. Now, of concern is this issue of witchcraft, body parts. As a church, what how do you deal with these allegations of witchcraft? Because now we are hearing that witchcraft doesn't exist. I thought there is good and there is evil. I thought I was God and I was, you know, Satan, the devil. I I thought, in fact, we fight evil and evil acts. So, what is this assertion that witchcraft doesn't exist?
SPEAKER_26Yeah, so the Bible is very clear, and many other religious books, in uh confirming that uh evil does exist, in confirming that witchcraft does exist. Not long ago, there were, I think, two young people that were uh cited for witchcraft, isn't it? So, how is it that we'll be told that there is no witchcraft? And for anyone who claims to be a Christian and believes in the Bible, the Bible talks about the scene of witchcraft. So when a Christian says they don't believe in witchcraft, they can they are contradicting the position of the Bible.
SPEAKER_27Witchcraft does exist, it is of the devil, it is evil. So for anyone to say there is no witchcraft, that is like saying there is no devil.
SPEAKER_26Personally, I'm a man of God, I've handled cases of witchcraft. I have prayed and delivered people involved in witchcraft. I have personally handled a witch doctor who was deep in dark power, and that was in Kabwe, and the record is there, and this particular witch doctor came to the saving knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and then he began to narrate everything to me. I am the one that went at his house, okay, in Makulono of Kabwe, and you know, after ministering to him and taking him through deliverance, even got all the instruments of witchcraft to destroy them. So, witchcraft does exist for the same reason that the devil does exist, and the Bible confirms that.
SPEAKER_16Which are these? Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lavishness, idolatry, witchcraft. So you can see that uh witchcraft is one of those manifests that the Lord Jesus Christ must save us from.
SPEAKER_26Oh, yes. Uh, you know, if for the for the sake of uh for the sake of your you know listeners, we can actually you know get into the Bible and from the old testament all the way into the new testament, witchcraft is talked about, witchcraft is discussed, and so right in the book of first Samuel 1523, the Bible says, for rebellion is as the scene of witchcraft, and the stubbornness is of iniquity and idolatry because thou rejected the word of the Lord, and he has also rejected this from being king. Witchcraft. You can go to 2 Kings 9:22, you know, talks about Jezebel and the witchcraft. We can go on and on into 2 Chronicles 33, verse 6. You know, the Bible here brings out issues of incitements and uh the use of witchcraft, which has to do with familiar spirits. We can go to Micah, where we hear in the waves of uh you know God's servant, we will cut off witchcraft out of thy hands, and thou shalt have no substance. We can go on and on all the way up to Galatians 5 20, that I think you quoted where it talks about idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, etc. etc.
SPEAKER_27The Bible confirms the presence of witchcraft in this world, and it is of the devil, witchcraft is evil.
SPEAKER_16Yeah. Now let's come to the other issues, man of God. The president in his speech today, in an interview with um Radio Echengelo, was saying there's precedence that uh there's a matter how Dr. Kaunda was treated, and I think that matter is highly misquoted because Kaweche went to court to say uh the late president, Dr. Kaounda, his wishes were that he be laid next to Betty. As a matter was going on, the family came and made a public announcement, led by Panch, who said they had decided to abide and agree as a family that uh uh the late president must be buried at uh. So President Lungu didn't act in isolation, the family, and I can find that record, that um the late president's family, led by Panch Kaunda, held a public press conference. They said, yes, our brother wants you know the late president buried next to Betty Kaunda. But us as a family collectively, we've agreed that uh for dignity the president will lie at Embers Park. So the circumstances are totally different, and even that judgment was just uh a matter of uh which is a judicial review where they wanted position uh of government reviewed. So it's quoted and isolated. But let's go back to the key issues. The president saying there's precedence. There is also precedence when it comes to him, he's not at state house. That is a big precedence. Every president uh we've had in our country has stayed at state house. There are other precedences the president has broken. I don't know what your thoughts are when it comes to that issue of precedence.
SPEAKER_26Uh, thank you so much. It's important that we are honest when uh addressing matters, and I think that it's important to be consistent because uh being consistent at inconsistency is not good for leadership. So, this issue of uh precedence, you know, uh trying to base argument on uh precedence. I think I've touched on this particular matter in my response to your first in a question. I have to say, President Lungu was off government payroll because the returns to active politics. In the case of those that have gone before him, former president, they were all on government payroll. Number two, this is the first time we are dealing with the former president won't get back into active politics and went outside for medicals and died out there. Now, to say it is a map as some people want to you know put it that it is a map for President Longo to be put at embassy. I mean, look here, we all desire for our former head of state to be laid to rest in his own country. There is no doubt about that, even the widow and the family have never objected to that because President Longo was Zambian, he is Zambian, and we want it to remain here, but you see, there's been a lot of inconsistencies in a breaching of agreement, uh, in undertaking no illegal in a thing, of course, and the issue of the post method, and now there is this issue of the precedent.
SPEAKER_27Okay, so now how is it that all presidents have been living because they have we want to go by the law of precedence?
SPEAKER_26How is it that his excellence the president, Mr. Haka in the Hilema, refuse to go into the house that we the Zambians vote and dedicated for all city heads of state? So this argument of saying all you know, former presidents you know who died were put at embassy park. Yes, it's because all of them, apart from President Lungu, were on government payroll, so the state is duty bound to provide everything because they are on payroll, but President Lungo foresee all these benefits, so it's an issue of being humble and negotiating with the family and getting into an agreement so that both the state and the family come to a place of agreement, come to a place of harmony, and we put this matter to closure. What the government is doing is not right.
SPEAKER_27The bodies of all departed persons belong to their family, not the state.
SPEAKER_26So to begin to do things without the concept of the family is annoying, and especially on the issue of the post-mortem because that just crossed the line. It is a national feel, it is a national scandal, though the leadership should be apologizing to the nation. Antonio General Murilo Kavesha should be resigning.
SPEAKER_27Thank you.
SPEAKER_16Indeed, I I hold the same position. It doesn't make sense what Murilo Kavezha said because number one, he lied that he said police. Now we are aware that matter, that matter of both inquest and postmortem is only coming in May. He lied that there's no Supreme Court process. Everyone who watched in court has seen that the vo agreed that there's a matter in the Supreme Court. So why did he pick this body and conduct this illegal post mortem and without consent of the family? I think that's a crack of the matter. You even collect body parts. And you saw the president saying, Why would I need body parts? Maybe for the new audience that you have joined us, let's just watch what the president said briefly, and then I ask you uh uh uh new questions.
SPEAKER_24What the head of state does? That's my have you ever heard me answer stay the focus eyes on the board because if I start quarreling on everything, let me use this opportunity to say something. We need to bury the sixth president and bury him in his home in Zambia. We need to give him a decent barrier, a military barrier, because he was a commander-in-chief. There's no issue of who quarreled with who. We are beyond that. Where we are is responsibility, duty, Zambian character, African barriers to bury the dead. When you have issues, you discuss after burial. Even in families, that's what we do, isn't it? I brought this subject. Please don't push it too much. I've just brought it to show you that the kind of stuff I'm reading on social media now, insults this way, left insults this way, right. I want to guide the nation. Let's talk this kind of stuff. Akim. I don't believe in witchcraft myself. I don't. I'm a Christian. I'm an elder in the church. I'm an Adventist. But all the body of Christ is one. We are a Christian nation. How come in a Christian nation we are now talking witchcraft? We believe in witchcraft. No. What would I do with the body parts of anybody? Really speak. Let's talk sense here. What would I do with that? If I believed in witchcraft myself, in the years I was being persecuted here in Quitu, in Chingola, when we were almost killed in Chingola, how they've been hiring hangers, I have a bit of a bit of money. How they've been hiring hangers. I never went to Nangas myself. In my family, the HS family, you will never find a Nanga there. I don't believe in that. We don't believe. I'm glad that my wife doesn't. We've taught our children not to waste time, the issues, prayer. But they must work. But today I'm reading every day. People are talking about who is doing witchcraft on this, on what, on what. No. Postmortem is a normal thing, especially when people allege that this person was poisoned. A postmortem is necessary. And the churches, I'm listening to what churches are saying. Churches must be part of the solution, not to be part of the problem. If you are a genuine church leader, be part of the solution. Don't put fuel on the fire. Especially an artificial fire like this. Let's respect the sixth president. Let's bury him where the other five are lying. It's now presidency, it is now law because there was a litigation. The sixth president, when he was in office, President Kaunda died. And some family members of President Kawunda, including the Led Kaweche, may he so rest in peace. And may KK is so rest in peace, did not want KK to be buried at Embers Park. But the sixth president, when he was in charge, the one who is now we are fighting over to bury, simply say to the family, we are burying the President Kawunda at Embers Park. If you want, come to the funeral. If you don't want, don't come. This is the man who is lying there. He was the head of state. We all listened to him. Okay, I was not allowed to go to that funeral, but I followed it on television. And he did the right thing. I want to commend the sixth president, President Lungo, for that decision. It was the right decision. And we all followed as citizens. What is different now? What is different now? Can we stop this sort of eating each other's fabric? Insulting each other. I'm guiding as head of state now, as your chief servant. Can we direct our attention to things that require attention? Let us bury the sixth president at Embers Park. That's what it's all about. When you are head of state, you swear in to protect the constitution and to protect all citizens, young, old, differently abort.
SPEAKER_14Those who like you, those who don't uh if it's a felt need of the family, for example, uh that uh the uh president uh should not personally be in attendance. So what do we uh why not deregate? Why not derigate? You know, why not deregate? You know, yes, it's awkward, but unusual uh situations, unusual circumstances may demand unusual uh responses. I and it will appear, you know, the problem that we have as human beings is that we think uh then I would have lost, then they have won. Uh, but sometimes backing down uh and then uh allowing certain things to happen may not necessarily be a loss, it could be actually a sign that you are greater than the other, uh, because you are ready to uh you know to to back down and give way and for the sake of the greater good of the country.
SPEAKER_16There, I don't know what your views are. What should we do now? What should be the way forward? What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_26Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_16Yes, very clearly.
SPEAKER_26Uh, thank you so much. I've uh carefully listened to the ways of Yes Excellency, the president is a haka in the Ishilema. I think that as a nation, as leaders, we must be very honest. If anything, the body stops as the president. This particular matter can be resolved even tomorrow if the president did take heed to the voices from the church. He says he's the church elder under the FDA. What does the Bible teach us concerning traumatizing a widow? I'm not accusing the president, I am saying traumatizing a widow because the truth of the matter is that Mrs. S. Talungu is distressed. The nation is actually traumatized because every day for the last 10 months, nearly a year now, we are still talking about the same thing. The president needs to show leadership. Where things are difficult, the church is there to guide, and I think the church has guided. Why are people not listening? The church stands ready to speak both to the government under the leadership of President Hichelema and also to the Edgar Lungu family. The church is there to help. But what I personally see, Ambassador Mwamba, is that people are not listening. Both government and the family need to be brought to a round table by the church, and both parties must be willing to listen. What is very clear is that on the side of government, there's been a lot of mistakes along the way. We have to state facts that they are. And you know about TECO, but they won't make it. This is next or no embarrassment. This is the next one. We must repent of the next one. So I think you're not putting them on a couple of children. Balumbu. Balancum. Number low. Somebody to mention but in the format of state. Congratulations, number.
SPEAKER_16Indeed, indeed. Thank you very much. Let me use the opportunity that you are here, man of God. We discussed briefly other issues before I open the phone lines. Zambia is going to uh elections in August 2026, and we've already seen a flurry of interested presidential candidates because the deadline was yesterday, and most of them paid. We understand nearly every major presidential candidate has paid that hundred thousand kwacha from KBF, Makebizulu, Bran Munduwile, including people like Wila Joseph Mdolo, Fred Membe, a citizen first president, uh uh uh Chanda Katoto and others. Chanda Katoto has even done something magnanimous. He says, by accepting to stand on the PEP ticket, I have therefore crossed the floor from PF because I'm a PF MP and I'm now PEP and take an interest in PEP because I've paid to ECZ. He has even proceeded to resign as a member of parliament because he went to parliament under the PF. And he says, by me paying, I have crossed the floor and he has resigned as an MP. Zambians are totally distressed with the happenings in the country and they are looking to the opposition. And to the opposition so far, it looks like we are going to have numerous presidential candidates. What are your thoughts, man of God, on this issue? What are your thoughts? I can see the man of God has taken a small break. Um, but to be hosting him to come and discuss that before I open the phone lines.
SPEAKER_21Attack on humanity. In our African tradition, death is sacred. The dead are treated with reverence. Families are accorded the highest respect in matters concerning their loved ones. To storm emoji, emoji, seize a body and subject it to procedures without consent is not only unlawful, it is culturally offensive and spiritually disturbing and if a government can act with such disregard towards a former head of state, we must ask what protection remains for the ordinary citizens like you and me. This is a dangerous president. This incident sets a chilling precedent for Zambia. That the state can override families at will, that court orders can be ignored with utter impunity when inconvenient, that truth can be manipulated through fabricated claims, that power can be exercised without accountability. Fellow Zambians, this is not governance, this is unchecked authority, an extreme abuse of the people's power conferred on those who govern on behalf of the people. At this critical moment in our nation's history, I wish to make a solemn and respectful appeal. Firstly, to the church. I wish to call upon all church mother bodies, bishops, pastors, and faith leaders across denominations to rise and speak with one voice. This is a moral issue that transcends politics. The church has always been the conscience of the nation. We therefore urge you, Mother Church, to publicly condemn this sinful act. To stand with the bereaved family in their time of distress, to remind the nation and its leaders of the sanctity of life and death. To uphold Zandia's declaration as a Christian nation, not only in word, but in action. Silence at such a time, dear church, risks being interpreted.
SPEAKER_16Indeed, silence at such a critical moment in the country is complicit. Every time evil is playing out, it plays out because good men choose to keep quiet. Thank you for those powerful words. Let me bring in our guest again to give us some thoughts. Um, I put a question to you, man of God, about the opposition and the coming elections. What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_19Ukubika of year, no put you shay waluamu. Maka na mana yaiko Nabuchi Nkishokutichuck South Africa, Chito Pichabayash, Techito Pichamuntu. No kuti la wishinke, lingarin for ya bayash. Wan Africa Mukumkuana no lupati to won't be moonbo, to ava no kuwomba. So what we have show poa oko shika, aways Africa Wayana Makoti Lock it be parent shita Yakula Nilandi Kumakoti. Up take on a shinki shop the Chavayashi Chava kuya sungila Fox of Africa.
SPEAKER_16Babwala Lika no kupisha in Lando Yaku Makoti no kuta mba ukulanda no chialo chashikulwa pa fula Ufile chitawa which tunde chamuntu Watombele inu yaku take chalo chesuita na kuish of what ya wava pokulanda no kuchita chishinka and you mati cala chalo Natwend the no take over snowyasarikila kwamuringanya that's Archbishop Ignatius Chama, president of the Zambia Conference of Catholic Bishops, giving a very strong-weded statement there. I was asking you, man of God, the issues around elections. What are your thoughts before we open phone lines?
SPEAKER_39Yeah.
SPEAKER_19We mula do we shall we.
SPEAKER_28If I cannot move out of my country, Zambia, to go for medication at my own expense, and I'm pulled out of a plane to say go back home and die, that for me constitutes house arrest. I will not die a peaceful death if I was to die today without restoring PFO to what it is. By the way, I've been saying to people who want me to reconcile with the president that look, the only way we can start talking about reconciliation is for the man to begin restoring democracy. And how he restores democracy to me, he was restoring the legitimate leadership into PFO, where we were on 23rd October 2023, where we had elected leaders of October's president and others, including our ST and everybody. Once he restores that, he tells his people in the civil service to take aides, can you correct this? The register's record to show the true reflection of the leadership of the party, then we don't know how to go. They've done that with other political parties as a system. And I can't allow that.
SPEAKER_03So and he's the man of God. Bishop, is there anything to do with the uh the significance of a dead person? The body and I was wondering why he is asking. I said it's a yes and no, it depends on the person who has died. If the person who has died was injured with power with the power of God, the body is significant in the spiritual realm. This is why, when a dead soldier was thrown in the grave of a prophet Elisha, whose mentee ran away from being mentored because he went after many Gehaz, the anointing still remained on the body of Elijah. So later in the history of Israel, when they were fighting battle, the body of a dead soldier was thrown into the grave of Elisha. Moment it hit the body of the bones of Elijah, the soldier woke up. Yes, that body was significant.
SPEAKER_16We are hosting Reverend Chilewa Mlengam, a senior cleric based in Indola on the copper belt, um is very effective and is, you know, is a member of the church in Indola. I'm opening the phone lines. Reverend Chilekwa is a former chairperson of the Indola Christian Ministers Fellowship at Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia in Indola uh respectively. He's a former provincial chairperson of the Copper Belt National Day of Prayer Committee. He served on various boards. We are discussing matters relating to the remains of the late president matters in court and the comments that were given by the president of the Republic of Zambia over this matter. The lines are open. You now can call and let's hear your views.
SPEAKER_05I traveled to South Africa a day after the president died. And I can say with all my heart, truthfully, that I've had the opportunity. To see the body. So it is a total lie. It is inhuman to even think that maybe somebody is telling lies. No. Our former president is gone and he has been lying in the mug for nine months. It is so unfortunate. I don't know who we have become, even as a people. How we the people of Zambia have been able to accept such a situation. And we have to understand that there are implications keeping a person embaried. What does it mean? And especially one who had the key to the nation, who ruled the nation for seven years, who did so much in the nation. You know? The inhuman treatment of the widow and the children. Do you think that things can be well with us?
SPEAKER_16No, they can be. They can be. We really have to settle this matter. And we are calling on the leadership of President Nakainda Ichlema. I think they need to drop down the arrogance, settle this issue with the family. The duplicity lies that has characterized the process, you know, is totally unfortunate. And they should act with regret, not with arrogance. The lines are open. I have Honorable Reverend Chile Kamlenga who's helping me with today's broadcast. So if you have any questions, please make that call. Let me see if uh Reverend Chilequa's uh line is far better. It hung, I hope now is in the studio properly. I can see that he's still frozen. Reverend Chilequa, if you are listening to me, just come out of uh the software and re-log in. Then I think it will restate the lines. The lines are open. Please call us again and uh let me see if I can have um Honorable Mlenga Chilekwa restored. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Good afternoon.
SPEAKER_06Um just a minute, I increased volume.
SPEAKER_16Just a minute, I increased volume. Yeah. Just a minute, just a minute. Okay, caller, continue.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I was saying uh thank you to the man of God for the words of wisdom. Um, but I want to respond to the remarks from the from uh HH himself, and I'm glad you mentioned it that uh it should do with the staying at the community house than staying at the house. Um, being a Christian like he's claiming to be a Christian, there's no problem. Even the Bible did mention to say that uh they shall call, they shall use my name, but that does not mean uh they are Christians. Or again, the Bible goes further and says you shall know them by their thoughts. Okay, so and when you look at what is what the man is trying to explain that he is a Christian, he's an elder, and we can resolve these issues, the president has been given the mandate and the and and too much space to reconcile with the family of the president. When there is a problem, when there's a problem in the village and somebody has died, and there were issues before the death, I think it demands that the elders of the land sit even before the death, even before the borough, they discuss, they harmonize things. And on this fora, ambassador, we have called that the president would bury his pride and reconcile. Too many people, yourself, and many other people have said he has not even been to the to the inner house. So you can tell that somebody is uh is it doesn't mean what he's talking about, to be honest. And at this hour, we're expecting him, whatever has happened, we're expecting him to cancel his team, such as China Chico Dikota, and many others who have come on board and criticize this process. So the president is not in order to start saying we can bury these things, we can do these things. He's at fault. We are expecting him to reconcile with the family, but he's we are again pushing the family to the war. And therefore, we can tell and prove that indeed the man is nothing but acting uh in the way that the people conclude to say he's a satanist, he's a satanist. Because don't forget, witchcraft is not long ago, he had taken two people, the nation, the nation was that he was the it was uh it has been a laughing stock where he had taken two people who claimed that they wanted to wish him to the court of law. If he didn't believe that, because he was a complainant, if if he didn't believe in that, he could have to code off that accusation against those two people. But anyway, we believe that him being whether a freeman's one or satanism, he doesn't know that he is a witchcraft because those things are they are in the same suit.
SPEAKER_16Thank you. Thank you very much. I can see Reverend Umlingachideko is back. Let's let him give us his thoughts around the opposition before I take more calls. Reverend, I lost you on connection. Let's see if the connection has been restored and give us your thoughts about the opposition. It's better now, let's see. But give us your thoughts about the coming election.
SPEAKER_26Can you hear me? Yes, we can Yes you know we need uh elections, we are praying. I think elections that uh the election of Zambia no we need to support them to ensure that they put up uh elections so that uh society are consumed rightly too.
SPEAKER_16But now it's also important that political parties and space to freely come for years have not been easy for the opposition with campaigns open television, you know, go around the country to explain to the people uh what cities that and uh do cambiance you know uh are once elected into which thing field hello gala to neco hello ying those of us who are nonparts and interest in the ill political life of an election process we are you know uh a very you know consent that just vision uh to freely participate and uh uh that the elections Okay man of God we seem to have um a difficult connection are you getting me? Yeah, it's a bit bad, but let's see let me put you uh in the studio as we take phone calls. So we are hosting Reverend Chile Komlenga, Indola Bay's senior cleric, uh, is uh a Christian ministers fellowship and evangelical fellowship of Zambia in Indola. Uh uh he was giving his thoughts about the state of the country and the matter regarding the late president. The lines are open. You now can call let's let's hear from you. There was a matter in the High Court of Pretoria, and uh that matters uh uh the two parties, the state and the family, have agreed that uh the moch the mochari, uh a mutually agreed mochari will host the remains of the late president. But you know, the the family from one to seven, where the family members listed will have access to the body. If anyone from the state wishes to have access to that body, they will need to go to court. That was uh uh the agreement. Is it at this time where the family and the state must now agree and put the remains of the late president to bed what needs to be done now? The leadership by the president, I think, is what Zambians are crying for, looking at what Archbishop has stated, and looking at what Reverend Mulenga has also stated. Man of God, the network looks better on your side. Let's try again so that we gather your thoughts properly. Let me just bring Reverend Mulenga again.
SPEAKER_26Let's let's try. Okay.
SPEAKER_16Yeah.
SPEAKER_26Thank you. Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_16Yes, I can.
SPEAKER_26Can you hear? Hear me.
SPEAKER_16I can hear you.
SPEAKER_26Thank you very much. Uh yeah, so you can uh Thank you.
SPEAKER_16Question again about the upcoming elections. About the upcoming elections.
SPEAKER_26Yeah, thank you. Expect twenty twenty six I forgot for a level to be free and fair. The opposition having this to go, you know, into the field eat people by having uh uh uh uh you know raris by you know and so and let the elections be peaceful, free, and fair. And thank you.
SPEAKER_16Let me just take some course questions for you. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_43Uh, this is Dennis. I'm calling you from Rosaka.
SPEAKER_16Dennis, make your contributions.
SPEAKER_43Uh yes, um, Ambassador. Me being as a youth, I'm just surprised actually what is happening in the country. And the apart from the issue of witchcraft and satanism, uh, I've come with a third here. I think something is happening where uh these uh politicians, especially from the UPN design, uh they want to play with the emotion of the country. Because if you really think about it, as maybe we rent in school, when you play with the emotion of somebody, uh people stop thinking critically. So, what is what is happening maybe in the political realm is that uh people are busy. We are so busy, we are emotion-drained, uh crying and talking about the body of our late president, which we loved so much. And uh the UPND knows about that. And when we are doing that, we stop critically thinking about the next stage. Or these politicians and opposition leaders, they can't do anything to plan about the next election. Therefore, maybe these guys are just making people busy talking about the issue of the late president body. Yet, in another thing, them they are they are doing something else in order to win the general elections, uh, which coming in the on the 15th of August. So it's just my uh my call, especially to you and everyone and every politician, to think critically, apart from crying and maybe uh being emotional, but also they should try to think critically and plan ahead. We just being we just need to be steadfast instead of focusing all our strength and knowledge on one thing. Thank you, Ambassador.
SPEAKER_16Thank you very much, thank you. Um our callers can um now call. We have had our first caller, we have Reverend Chile Kwa Mulenga, senior cleric based in Indola, for our broadcast today is helping us with the two key issues we are discussing the remains of the late president and the upcoming elections. If you have any questions and contribution, kindly and quickly, we hear you. Tomorrow is Labor Day, Workers' Day. We recognize our workers and the sacrifices they make. We also recognize that hundreds and hundreds, thousands and thousands and millions of our workers that do not have a job. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.
SPEAKER_17Good evening. This is uh uh Bishop Mwanza.
SPEAKER_16Bishop Mwanza from where, sir?
SPEAKER_17Calling you from South Africa. Uh good evening, uh Reverend is my very good friend, Reverend Indora. I've worked with him when I was a leader for independent cities of Zambia, the Copadot province.
SPEAKER_16Oh, thank you. Bishop Mwanza, proceed with your contribution.
SPEAKER_17Thank you very much. Um, you know, I think me, my contribution, Marsh, is that uh concerning the opposition political party, I think this is the time that everyone needs to unite. Otherwise, uh the UPND, or maybe yes, a UPND government is uh really working so hard in order to confuse such that no one will be able to participate and uh to challenge the current government. This is the time that we cry for unity, and this is the time that now we cry to God Almighty to make sure that unity is uh prevailed uh among the uh opposition leaders. So now uh this you can see how spiritual things, the way they are working, these things have never happened in the history of Zambia. You know, it is the first time in this kind whereby opposition parties are in a confusing state, such that they cannot think uh positive. The spirit of pride has entered in all leaders, no one can just uh come down uh and uh support the other. This is the spirit of confusion because if among all the leaders, uh, you aspirant, uh presidential aspirants, if one or the two or three uh just uh try to you know come down and uh allow one person to say, okay, let's support and run behind the uh candidate uh B, so that uh we can remove this current regime that is um um mentally torturing the Zambian people. Look at what it is now. The Zambian people cannot speak freely. Zambian people cannot even uh participate, you know, in what we call freedom of speech and the uh other things that we're talking about, that uh you know, uh compromise that talks about democracy. Indeed, democracy is not there in Zambia, in this country, it has been killed. You understand? Now, our ancestors, where are they? How are they, you know, are they their spirits, are they happy? Like the first president, uh Dr. Kenneth Kawanda, who fought for this nation. Remember, even that previous interview, me, I was still saying this. Remember the previous interview that I think went viral when the president of uh the first president of Zambia, Dr. Kenneth Kawunda, was interviewed by one generalist whereby, I think if you remember, he was even forgetting the name. Ukwabat Uyungtongawi. It's not that maybe we don't, we didn't, we never wanted a tonga to lead, but we are talking about an individual. Having a leader from the southern province is not a problem. But we're talking about this kind of an individual that even the first president won the nation, you know, Dr. Kaunda, and this as a result. Um what a young man cannot see while standing, and the older, I mean, I think I don't know, you understand what I mean. What an elder person can see, a young person cannot see while standing. So look what happened to uh to what the I mean, the first president you know prophesied already. And this is the prophecy from the our very first president who fought for this nature code standard. Today we are suffering, today there's disunity, today there is evil spirit, you can see the things that we never used to see. Uh, you know, uh stick to issues uh whereby the youth are now you know practicing evil things, which is not right. And the men of God, they have been they are now striving the practice during the period of the men of God we could see this pastor comes out, he talks whatever he wants to do to talk. This bit of issue is a statement, these mother bodies will speak issue statement, but today you cannot see even a mother body issuing a statement against the president, against the current regime. Why? There must be something that is something wrong that Zambia is experiencing. Wow, what is making the clinic not even to rise and talk, which is not right. It is taking us, the clinch now who are in diaspora, to speak. But the ones that are in in Zambia, the ones that are experiencing problems, they cannot speak. I submit my ambassador. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_16Man of God, I can see that the network is better. Please finish your thoughts and you can even take time to answer the callers.
SPEAKER_26Uh, thank you so much, Ambassador. Thank you so much to all those who've called in to express their abuse, and obviously, I think they're the ones that are causing.
SPEAKER_16No, no, no, no. Uh needs to have them to speak. Let him have them. Continue, man.
SPEAKER_26Uh thank you so much. So um, I had the Bruce uh you know uh headsets, but then we had some technical issues, so I decided to put on these you know wired ones so that uh very clear, very clear. Thank you, thank you so much. Uh so bear with us, uh Bishop Mwanza. So thank you for the views expressed by the callers. Obviously, views expressed here are opinions of uh you know the people for which we respect because uh our Republican constitution does guarantee freedom of uh uh expression, you know, to express you know one's opinion. So thank you so much. So the 2026, you know, August 13th, you know, elections we are saying we hope there will be peaceful, we hope they will be free and fair, and for us to have peaceful, free and fair elections, the party in government needs to do their part to walk the talk. Why am I saying so? They have influence over the electoral commission of Zambians, they have influence over the police, and we are saying let the opposition be given free space to be able to interact with the people and uh you know share from their manifestors what it is that they want to come and do for the Zambians, should the Zambians vote for them. I think it's very important, and I was saying the last four years has not been easy for the opposition. I'm not speaking for the opposition as if I'm their spokesperson, I'm only stating a fact. If we are like referees, okay, we support the government of the day, we are there for all political parties, and when we see that you know uh let's go, if you are under so let there be a level of rank field so that we can have peaceful, free, and fair elections. I think that's very important. So we encourage the opposition, go for it without fear or favor. This is your country, participate, and yes, the ruling party go for it. This is your country. So let there be a level praying field and let the Zambians decide. Thank you.
SPEAKER_16Thank you, man of God. Let's pick more cause. Let's pick more cause. There are many people that wishes to participate and uh speak to you.
SPEAKER_07Good evening, Ramamba. Good evening, yes, I've just been to get clarified. Is it normal that the opposition leaders cannot hold a rare in all these years? How are they going to explain their manifesto to the people? How is our uh political landscape in Zambia now? Why are people not talking, not being allowed to hold raris? I just want you to answer me. Thank you.
SPEAKER_16Thank you very much. Something that uh uh Rev uh Bishop has alluded to, Bishop uh Chile Komling has attributed to the unfair landscape that has not allowed the opposition to participate freely, hold party um uh uh political rallies and where our people are stifled to speak and is calling for freedom for our people to participate in elections and for the opposition to be allowed space to speak. Um, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions. Anonymous, make your contributions.
SPEAKER_31Yes, anonymous uh bishop at one time is in a snam decision. Bishop Chile Kwa Mulenga Bishop Chile kwa mulenga says the kamba bambiri, but mumungwa dadisi. Shame kambi at mungwa dadisho mulenga shamewaka manchiona diswana funibila bumbadi, so na funakuti kanga kambi wand in my bishop shazona. Timao se putima opposition yar bese, and it's room by bese. Swanga kambi chili chosen backimanga. Bakashitako yichi bayu baby no freedum dadis a kamba bambi mungaba daddy septi wamadis a bishop minga mungwab daddi send bishop minimuri move, but se paminemuinda mzenda na manga wasiva la chapeku so gulu kwan bamy makaba makamba bidu bazo nababti mwakamba nota ku canbi abushita brima kamba tisima saputa is opposition Timaporta na currenty dan govendi winai disaporta bati chinju chaipangaiba. Ningakabekuto munbanga tichin to chaipa mutunga tu wamza putu abasichinawami isinawame uja mbashita accepta batamina chita visivinawamizona mzangasana kondui. Nakunkara pangala bajbena problem medioza. Noting got to waziva putti wam duola kwa ninganganga kube kuzibze kumbuo, ma bishofu shilewam linga mungwaku dai seni. Mamma bamzi ambassad das is come man in thank you.
SPEAKER_16Alo cora, ple tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.
SPEAKER_04Thank you so much. Good evening.
SPEAKER_16Bamungkonge, make your contribution.
SPEAKER_04Paniaka won't say I pika pagi four years, it's now five years. Amarukta emuchung, to one say available, you can awan to one seven sana, wukati ka change. So, no kova fumanga ku tenemuna kwatokumona. Kavinuta and soya kumana itumgru ishimpe pina yumaneshi ya pat. So, yemirombako, epo opposition party no statawa fera in stya kuvachi kuchiva stakam tes, rerovina zambia, vazi peresho kuwa chama chushi bakamo ya fura. So couldi wanga itungusama chenchi, ide mi rombana imwanangumapanga, itukatana pamu te kweva chinisi, wwushaya pan tinsure, uhanawa mukuta. So panste na tushili poinsena muanava re tungu kuwa kateka, na muba mona neni, orumwa kwa tana soya kumpashi. So ktumwa fwa tungusiri molekowa tia suchinje charcha zambia, ukuwa mushrei summa. Tumule randakunama membazinu panu panu sora kuamano, pakweba tumwa fwa kupsa in tungurusi, e wino. Pantro to kilamu samakanji suku emine wumura muena pantan shamuanukana chwena squa tikoi, naenokta mwafia wwaso. Gavaeva Kateka Muay Mukumana Nakariokateka, Katura Psaro Chason Mata Moymo. Walka Tony Kava isim Bambuchinakama takona Mumana Una Mukovaca. Baba Chase Varani Varanu, Varambuva Mashina, Lokvavika Pavanitu, Ivere Vika. What you have to find to a poetic. Who won't have quite stamma politics? If you are sticking out for a pinnacle example, Wapasta Duncan Vara in Pasha Pasha Paspawini, Tabau Papta Papasta Duncan, Kurakuki to Vaj Vakati. Urawa Vakati Sham wenang Wama Pasta Zama Bishop Yakati, Wamo Yo Kwevachu, Sans of Uva Kwevati, Vambo Kakavashma to Comar and Wakuna Kwa. Waikalaton, your soli shwadi, but I wanna woman wakatiwa bishop, one stashani Mavanika Munchia. Nanity Nitawan day Vukusava Chupa, Mosava Fuyakovaka, Warri Vasta, Commodia, Ama Comodesh, Okov Tony, Wara Pera Kuman Deva Pati Okovara Speciani, Okovara, Okovara Ral, Nava Catholic, Okova Chava to Variam Democracy, Democrats to Say Mona. So I find to whenever changes in a new one, the power politician, whatever poker platform. You have a platform where too much, what am I shireing? That's all them. Nah, I must say. I have considered Marukuta.
SPEAKER_16Let me take the la the last call, then we allow Bishop to answer. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution.
SPEAKER_44Hello?
SPEAKER_16Hello, Cola.
SPEAKER_44Good evening.
SPEAKER_16Good evening.
SPEAKER_44I would want to concur with what Bishop said. I've got only one technical question to ask. How are we going to describe these elections as free and fair when the opposition has never been given an opportunity to fill out their manifesto the program that they are planning for the Zambians for the next five years? I know most of them have all taken pride in Afghanistan. They have taken pride to be above everything, even above national. If they are given an opportunity to stand, what time do they have to fill out their manifests and tell us what they are going to do? Because they have been constrained for the past four or five years now.
SPEAKER_16Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Bishop. We have uh those questions that uh we received from our viewers. Uh I want us to uh let me check hello cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Hello, speak in the phone, please. Yes, hello caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Anonymous from SDH in Indola. Make your contribution, my brother.
SPEAKER_35Mucharo each arrow monotape. Ukuba push my pep was the Hukisuka. Namute Ukonka in the Mukrisum Baka Weswali Shibana Juebati Bamkam Fuirwa Nabatoca M fora tatuay kataku pamala kuebati. Apolle Kerakoti muturi kioti iringalandati nam fokoala with your kawala. Bantuka wabuji. Babu tatou. Let's alan diati Kabali na poku canida badava yu. Ya waniku wani. U clan toeva toa. History kupe kafia moji we papi ugloshi kuwa. So it's ankaraj mono di opposition. Pamuna do wevatinabi mininabe. Batabina zambia valeno shop o posicianani. Fironga, ifatu ingas a pushabina zambia, ni wiza pariava. Emlanduin, eh, ifilongano fila fiaposa kosana mano sa kosana mano stai vanu. Taco battuchingyo teco. Nato teram five.
SPEAKER_16Let me bring in the bishop to uh give us his thoughts, answer your calls and give his last remarks.
SPEAKER_26Uh, thank you so much, Ambassador Emmanuel Mwamba, and thank you so much to all the callers. So, let me begin with uh our dear brother from the Seventh day Adventist. Uh, just a response. I just wanted to uh confirm what he mentioned concerning how we treat widows, and this is in Exodus 22. You can read 21 to 23. You are not to wrong or oppress an alien because you were aliens in the land of Egypt. You are not to mistreat any widow or orphan. If you do mistreat them, they certainly cry out to me. I'll immediately hear their cry, and I'll be angry and will kill you with a sword, and your wives will become widows, and your children orphans. End of court. Those of us who claim to be church leaders should pay attention to what the word of God says in the way we treat widows and orphans. I just wanted to uh respond and uh just support what the leader from uh SDS said uh just to give uh the text was trying to refer to. And then uh I must say that uh their remnants in this nation, they are servants of God, they are church leaders who remain true to their calling, who remained true to their ordination. Uh, just yesterday, uh, you know, much respect to the archbishop Ignatius Chama, the ZCCB president, it was very clear. So, church leaders have been speaking, and uh will continue to speak, so we will not be part of those that want to be silent in the face of injustice and wrong. Uh, you know, I think that is not how a servant of God should be. Uh, we have to be neutral, and in being neutral, it does not mean remain silent in the face of uh mistreatment on the widow or often. I think that we are called by God to be the voice for the voiceless and to continue preaching the word of God, promoting reconciliation. I think that's very important. Now, the other matter to do with the opposition. My encouragement to the opposition is this the last four years it's been difficult for you. Don't give up. I can assure you that even in the next two, three months, people will be able to hear what it is that you have to offer to the Zambians and uh to the church leaders. I want to say this let us uh you know take our civic duties and participate in the electoral process. Participating in the electoral process does not mean becoming partisan. Okay, so you know, because this issue of saying, you know, don't be partisan, don't be and whoever speaks, they want to call them to be opposition, to be a government. That is very cheap and an insult to the intelligence of men of God like me. I've never been PF, I've never been UPND, I've been non-partisan, even during PF days. I was a critical voice on matters that needed to be addressed, and so there is no way some candles and sympathizers of the UPND will begin to call us names and insult us. That is very wrong, okay? In a Christian nation. So have some respect. We church leaders in my category, our doors remain open for anyone to interact with us. We are there to provide cancer to all across the political divide. So our positionuka for four years, this year it is your right to participate in this year's election, and zambians have been watching, zombians have not been talking because they've been fearing some of these repressive laws, and you know, there's been this atmosphere created, you know, to instill fear in people. But even to the Zambians, I I need to say this don't fear, especially Christians. You've not been given the spirit of fear for as long as you are within what the Bible teaches, for you are within what the law stipulates, you are okay. We are a voice.
SPEAKER_16Thank you, man.
SPEAKER_26Raised by God. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, there are still cause. Let me see. You know, this program is about our callers, but let me see if I can speak some more. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from before we close.
SPEAKER_40Hello, ambassador. And I think you're um gata my cool for my lamp to name the souver. So when I shut a mobulous.
SPEAKER_41Thank you, Ambassador Mumba, Senior Danny on the line. Yes, but Bishop Telecom Kwa Fiumwalanda Le Saleva Naimwe, but I'll say this for Bishop. Men of God are chosen by God. But Bishop, because the injustice that has been happening to the Lungu family, if men of God like you could rise up and talk about this, this would have not happened. Then the other thing, money niba Bishop, you you men of God, accommodate everyone. Whether someone is uh SP, whether someone is UPND, your message is always about love. No, but money nibakekawesu. Today he's saying he has got nothing to do with the body. But it is him that has taken the Lungu family into this up to today. So today he can come out and say it's got nothing to do with it, Mwesa. You as bishop speak out. Then the other thing is no opposition party has held any public rally. Is this the country we are as Zambians today? Is it not what we call dictatorship, Babishop? Are we under a dictatorship loop? Because you cannot oppress your opponents. They don't even talk, they can't even present their manifestos to the other people. And then you, you're allowed from day one, you've been campaigning. But at the end of it, oh, Babishop Nabonse Abantabaleung, let's not lose hope. God is for Zambia and God is for Zambians. Thank you. And Ampazaramwamba, God continue blessing you. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_16Thank you.
SPEAKER_30Yes, I'm anonymous calling from the US.
SPEAKER_16Anonymous, make your contributions quickly.
SPEAKER_30Yes, I'm calling to just uh I've listened to the bishop, I've listened to your speaking, and I just want to understand your take on what the president had spoken, in the sense that he's made a statement of if he believed in witchcraft when he was being persecuted, he would have used that. Does that not mean he's not saying that witchcraft doesn't exist, but then he doesn't believe in using it? As he said, he believes in prayer, he believes in working hard. So is it possible for us to equate that statement to that belief and not the belief of saying he does not believe a hundred percent that there is no witchcraft at all? But this fact that for him, he believes that it's there, but he doesn't believe in using it.
SPEAKER_16Uh the trouble with my sister, if you have seen, let me just answer before Bishop comes in. If you have seen even uh online comments, they're asking the president, Mr. President, you are speaking well, you don't believe in witchcraft, but why haven't you moved into State House? Mr. President, why do you move with your chair everywhere? If you you know they're asking about practice, not about what someone is saying. In fact, President Hakaim Nechila must be known to that he speaks very well, but he acts contrary. I think that's what they are questioning. Then on the issue of witchcraft, if you look at the long video, he seems to be dismissing that witchcraft doesn't exist. But we know that there's good and evil, and you can't say witchcraft doesn't exist. And I agree with you, there should be a separation to say he doesn't practice it or that witchcraft doesn't exist. Those should be two separate statements. There I agree with you.
SPEAKER_30Okay, so the fact of um uh Kim not staying in State House means that he believes in witchcraft?
SPEAKER_16It appears that that is attributed to you know the incited cost, but in the end it looks like it's a matter of witchcraft. Why would you move with your own chair everywhere where you go? Why wouldn't you move into state house?
SPEAKER_30We we have people, uh, and I don't know whether he moves with a chair. Uh because I've never seen that.
SPEAKER_16So Okay, let's let's use something that is public. Why would you allow people that have allegedly come into the country to bewitch you, you lock them up and send them to jail for two years? If you don't believe in witchcraft?
SPEAKER_30Do we have a law in the country which was not created by the president that talks about that? And if somebody, so if you do something to me, and then my sister then goes and reports you, and the law takes it course, is it my fault that uh my sister did that? That that would be my question.
SPEAKER_16So let me give you an example. Yeah, let me give you an example. There was a law on criminal defamation of the president. And Rupiah Banda, every time he heard that the police had arrested someone because he had insulted the president, and it's according to the law. Rupiah Banda issued a statement. I don't want anyone to be arrested because they've insulted me. Although the law is there. Let me give you another example. Frederick Chilua said, I'm a Christian, I'll not put another to death. Although there is a death penalty, all these people you have sentenced to death, I will not sign. And from 1997 to date, we have not seen any president sign that the person that have been committed to death penalty should be put to hang. They usually their lives were committed to life sentence. So a law exists on witchcraft, a very old law. So the people are asking the same issue, Mr. President. If you are so against witchcraft, you don't believe in it and you think it doesn't exist, why didn't you stop the case? Like the examples I've given you.
SPEAKER_30So if Chuluba or Pia Gander had signed someone to death, even if he says he's a Christian and believes, would we then assume that um President, the late president Chuluba was wrong because he did not stop a law that is in the country from taking um effect?
SPEAKER_16I'm just following your thinking and I'm quickly on top of my head bringing this example.
SPEAKER_11That's what I'm asking you to do.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, so here there are patterns around the president. A postmortem has been conducted, body parts have been taken, the postmortem has been done without the authority of the family. The president says that's just a postmortem. You heard him, Mr. President. That's not just a postmortem. A postmortem has regulations of how a postmortem should be done. Mr. President, why don't you stay at state house? You are saying there is precedence that uh president should be buried at Embers Park. That's precedence. Mr. President, you have created your own precedence where you are not staying at state house. So the people are using the president's own inconsistencies about his remarks. Yeah, Mr. President, you are to witchcraft. Yeah, Mr. President. Present, you are saying you don't believe in witchcraft, but you let two people go to jail for two years for alleging that they wanted to bewitch you.
SPEAKER_30Are we making a mistake of assumptions? Because I hear people say when you assume something, you are making ASS or use donkey of you and the person. So I know we are making assumptions, and sometimes when we do make assumptions, they might be wrong.
SPEAKER_16And okay, yeah, two assumptions, my dear sister. Yeah, yeah. The president is talking about precedence, and people are saying, like even Reverend put it very clear. Mr. President, you yourself has broken the precedence. For the last 62 years, our people, uh, our presidents, all the six presidents have stayed at state house. You are staying at home. You have broken the precedence. You are insisting that the late president must be put to rest at Embass Park. Is a pub is a public property. You have gone to great lengths to prove these matters in court to stop this process of burying the late president. Because you believe that the president must be given a decent burial and he must be put to rest at Embassy Park. You are saying that's precedence. But you are in the forefront of breaking precedence yourself.
SPEAKER_30So I will not speak to the I was calling on the part of the witchcraft.
SPEAKER_16On the witchcraft, he has issued he has issued two statements. He doesn't believe in witchcraft, he doesn't think witchcraft exists. You know, he has even said that to the other reporter. And today he says he himself has not participated in witchcraft and his family. But I think what Bishop was trying to say is that first of all, let's separate the two. First, witchcraft exists. Okay, it's part of the evil. It exists. If you don't practice in it, okay, that's fine, Mr. President. But what about all these issues happening? You are insisting on being present when the funeral takes place. You are insisting that you should preside over it. You know, now a postmortem has been done without the authority of the family. There are all these issues. You've refused to live in the statehouse, you've refused to fly on the plane of your predecessor. The evidence is contrary to what the president is saying. Anyway, that's my view. And I was just trying to quickly reason with you.
SPEAKER_30No, thank you. I mean, I know there are other callers, but I I I wish we, as people, when we are dealing with issues, the moment you start lumping things, even in in relationships, even in marriages, when you start lumping and not resolving one issue on its own, things can never be resolved.
SPEAKER_16So if you let me not style you, what is your view? What is your view? Let me not style you.
SPEAKER_30So my view on the witchcraft stuff is based on his the video that you played today and what he's made. My assumption is, and again, this is just my assumption, and my understanding and my opinion is he is not saying that witchcraft does not exist. He's saying when he says, I don't believe, is in the sense of I don't believe in using it to gain anything. Okay, that's my understanding.
SPEAKER_16Thank you, my sister. I think you are very clear. Thank you. We get your view. Thank you very much. Oh, now this matter has now brought many callers. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Mr. Kapia, make your contribution.
SPEAKER_12If you take mundu, she monoquipuntu. Which is all for the one by. So Ulosh takabatum to be a piss out. And why is this in Tia Manosa and Sam Biraco? Some heat does won't say. Bambook of Stakura and not which was not that easy. Ukulande special Padinoshta Munu Teko Tulimo. But to Romasoko and Bokotakofi Langakuabandu, because the whole ban giving a balancing. Not which one does pastas and bishops these days in Angualan. But Tivenuka, the Raven show once upon to be not a Vaderanda. Tapibamakatanjaco. Eva Quite, Amakao. Now you have voice and what they amashivatan kusuraquamin Swabantu by Minobo aspected challenges because the Chalot Mobile win. Amabuqua wrong. So Ngawai Kala qua Zamarita Zbaku Chichi.
SPEAKER_16Thank you very much. I've got two calls. This will be the last callers so that we can we can close the program. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_25Uh my name is Uncle J.
SPEAKER_16Uncle J make your contributions.
SPEAKER_25Thank you very much. Uh quickly, a quick one now, comment on uh what the president said and also on uh what is happening uh politically. What the president said, for me, we should not allow this to be swept under the carpet. We have seen, we have heard, the happenings around uh the ECO's body, I think they testify to the fact that witchcraft is real. The persistence by the government at all costs, the desire to want to spend colossal amounts of money to have access to the body, and eventually to go forcefully collect the body from the mochari and you know do a postmortem in the absence of anyone so close to the Lungu family. For me, that speaks volumes. I know we like it, we want to ganch things beat by the bush, and the truth of the matter, what was performed was a ritual and it has to be spoken as it is. Denying something does not, you know, pull you away from the reality. We know what this is all about. Then I also want to speak to um these people that want to have blocked, you know, who I want to call them a disgrace. Sorry to use this word. They have they want to take advantage of us Zambians as though we are foolish, you know. We have been calling for the unity. They've been meeting in dark corners, trying to bring more confusion, working for uh UPND to destroy and destabilize, divide the vote, paid fully by the UPN Big D government, trying to destroy the the I mean to try to destroy the opposition. When you look at what happened on me, I was shocked to see at how do you participate in an election of a leader in a particular party? You are part of the process, then tomorrow you refuse to say this is not under and methos in the dark corners, you emerge and go pay for nomination fees. In whose interest? Are you thinking about people that are in prison today? Are you thinking about the widow in South Africa? Are you thinking about the Zambians that are crying today? What kind of leaders are these? What kind of leaders are these? They don't have heart, they are just selfish, self-centered, they just want to destroy anything that gives hope to the Zambians.
SPEAKER_16Thank you, Uncle Jay. Let me take some quick some quick call. There are so many calls uh that have just emerged.
SPEAKER_36Yes, my am I through?
SPEAKER_16Yes, you are.
SPEAKER_36Thank you so much. Concerning the the issue at hand, yeah, and also regarding the response that he came from our head of state. I think um what is the management of the that that that response from the head of state is not the responsibility we expected as a country. What we expected in a normal society was the the government was supposed to be concerned about the welfare of our president. Government has been a commande it's too revenue. What happened? Okay, if we are talking, we can come to dignity as they are putting it. So you discover that the the kind of dignity being spoken by government uh it's not the kind of dignity that they are responding to because when they are supposed to show a concern, they are they are they are becoming defensive. How do you carry out a postmortem without the presence of the family, for example? How do you get the body while you are disobeying the court orders and not just getting not just disobeying the court orders? And then the response is that it's normal for a post-mortem in cases where there is a suspicion of poisoning. Uh, we didn't expect that kind of uh response from a from a gun from a country that is claiming that they want to put to rest uh Dr. Edgar Chagwarung with dignity. The actions are no are not in conformity with the uh their words. They know they normally say that actions speak louder than words. Even angu kulakwesu, you are going to discover that we have not learned them because of what they used to tell us. We've known them through what action they used to do upon us. That's how you you understand a colleague or your friend.
SPEAKER_16Thank you, thank you, Wamwewa. Thank you.
SPEAKER_36So, Amwamba, just uh in uh in in summary, the fact of Mazambians at this particular moment, Wamwamba. Uh you know, uh there's one issue that I also maybe I thought discuss upon Ariana. I don't know if it discuss and looking at the looking at what is happening in South Africa concerning the board of Dr. Edga Chagwarungu, Bamao Sampa, Bamao Sampa, Naba Dr. Edga Chagwarungu, marriage reconciled, okay? Bamao Sampa after Edgarungu, changes. Okay? We were not supposed to be we're not supposed to be in this situation. PF will be on the barrow, but with the wrong candidates. We're not supposed to be in this situation, Bamamba. So I wanted Bamamba Kwa, I want to discuss anono. Because this is a good thing. One of the things this is to defend the patriotic front. Okay? So this is a matter that these people, Ababa Relanda Maed Garung, Mouseamba. These are some of the issues that they should get concerned with. Look at what's happening to Edgarung. They are still doing this nothing. So Mamamba, you know, when we are when I when I think about the grief, the the kind of pain the family to Dr. Edgar Chagwarung is going through. And the people that he stood that he used to inter to stood with the Dr. Edgar Chagwarung had a lot of uh uh uh enemies within himself within his boundaries. This is manifested in their behavior. Was it going to be possible to achieve unity with such kind of people? No, thank you very much.
SPEAKER_16Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions.
SPEAKER_29Hi, Ambassador Mwamba.
SPEAKER_16Yes, my dear sister.
SPEAKER_29Um, I want to respond to the caller who was talking about assumptions. Yes, yes, and I want, I hope she's listening. Yes, uh, and I just want to say to her that there is no assumption here, everything is factual. It is a fact that the ECL was denied medication, fast forward to his death, fast forward to the lawsuit that prevented his burial, fast forward to the body he's being stolen, his body being stolen, and in all these facts, they are lies and flip-flopping. So I think as a woman, it's really a shame that you can try and manipulate us into asking this and that and bringing in the word assumption. There is no assumption here. And on witchcraft, anything that exists has a name. So we know that witchcraft exists because there is a name. And witchcraft, the intention of witchcraft is to is to cause harm or evil. Even lies is like witchcraft, even though lies they don't use uh charms, but they use their tongue to lie to cause harm. So, in short, what is happening to the Lungo family is pure evil, or it's a form of witchcraft. Because now even the body parts were taken, and we know that body parts are used in witchcraft to perform uh rituals and do whatnot. So, Mila Vena Zambia. And when Zambia we need to call a spade a spade. That woman, wherever you are, you should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine if you are Mrs. Lungu right now, sitting there 11 months, Tawashikaba Lumi. And sorry, Mr. President, even if you don't practice witchcraft, but the decisions that you have made are tantamount to witchcraft. Because you have put so much pain and suffering on that family. That's why we should do unto others as you would like them to do unto us. So I think we need to call a spade, and it's really a shame that the president can come and uh, you know, I don't practice witchcraft. So, what do you call uh stopping a widow from burying a husband? What is that? What do you call your government stealing ECL's body and we hear parts are missing? What is that? I submit.
SPEAKER_16Thank you very much. We want to a callesa, we need to go, we need to go. Uh uh, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.
SPEAKER_11Umuloshumbukalamba, Mi Vele Amuntu, Echwadesungawant, Mumu Shinga Ulifumung and Wewonani, Nangwalukuatefintuabantu watawleva, fu abantuwale chula, valefwa, vale lale insana, tabakuete, amay so sele nawena wulush. I thank you.
SPEAKER_16Thank you very much. Mwantuwa Kwale sa. Uh, we need to go, we need to go, we need to go, but you are calling and calling. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.
unknownGood evening, Mr. Mamba. I'm speaking with Joshua P and I'm calling from within Lusaka.
SPEAKER_16Joshua Piri, just hold on. I put you on speaker. Yes, Joshua Piri, tell us your name and where you're calling us from and uh give us your contributions.
SPEAKER_20Uh Mr. Mwamba, I was speaking with Joshua P and I'm calling from within Lusaka.
SPEAKER_16Yes, Joshua Piri.
SPEAKER_20Yes, uh, Mr. Mwamba, I would want to uh make my uh contribution over the issue of witchcraft, which uh the president did allude to uh this morning.
SPEAKER_16Yes, but then Mr.
unknownMwamba.
SPEAKER_16Uh I hope you can call back his line is uh alo, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from South Africa from Canada. My brother, make your contributions.
SPEAKER_13It's very unfortunate what is uh happening, and it's even shameful for someone to claim to be a Christian while uh failing to bury somebody and uh. For one year and Christianity and what you have to get in the machine. So for Zambia, we got to mut you in the Indi, can I come to Mosukawa? If you feel it's called to an idea. That's my that's my contribution.
SPEAKER_16Thank you. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give give us your contributions.
SPEAKER_23Um Anonymous.
SPEAKER_16Anonymous, make your contribution.
SPEAKER_23Um, I just have two questions. Just when all of us are talking about everything that we are talking about, didn't um or maybe I have read somewhere, you know, online um in on um social media where somebody has paid the bill for the place where, you know, at the morgue where the body was being kept.
SPEAKER_16Yes.
SPEAKER_23So this person goes to pay and then the body is taken, tells lies, and then uh, you know, later on after the body has been taken and now thrown into um you know a place in in Pretoria, and uh and then uh the next day someone says, I don't have to attend the funeral. What is that? You know, do we even have to discuss and talk about this, that, you know, the other day? Just those two issues should be enough for the Zambians to turn around and say we want to change what is happening in this country. Thank you.
SPEAKER_16Thank you very much. Now, seriously, I'll just take the last two calls. Uh there are so many people that wish to speak, but we'll just take two last calls. Alocola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.
SPEAKER_32Thank you very much. Good evening, Ambassador Mwamba. Good evening.
SPEAKER_33Um, the folk land. He must have been the first one. Ukaya justice system, yes, Muzandu, Munamzanbuktila. Ababantuaiko, Pangama rituals, but the mind has been quiet. And Baliawa and Babi whether Ningangana Utenangana Gwalochina Gutivalusi, Balio Neleo. No, bayuena ma mnanju kokoso kodi, we la sta defendich intungata w chinki. Chichiwakumba yachalo kodi, kukusanda called nibushiku ni night. Presumption, you presuming. Uda ya letunga nifia ku tunganyapa. Pantuwa neba president, ba la dokita kuchtakwa uchtavasumina nabu. Inutavasu nama mwa chichbalinga nawava pinava balan daba yabanga viakujeo. Mgaba gimneva ewa justice systemate kuka kawalantu what they are doing in etafianku mate chin kumeko. Uzen tu wekelakuwa kulosha ba nungu miya kayon se mwa kauso no wapua. Ulti mate wwa buntu se, wwa buntun sowa kwatakuka empathy, wwa kwataku ku ngila watinga nine wondu sa. Uti aika se kakaf msa zungu fiafine. Baatoni janu vale ya kuya, vale aton atoni generu te mfati pantunia aton genu na yeti the president whose voice is loudest to stand up and say, eh, mi wwana atoni, uiat yate mila inbi kuchano South Africa, uka mkende chitumbi, uchikunga kasu banga chunguluko glomu kwenda. Avalu se wemita yenda. Banach tafia, kaba fiftia i fiakan kamana, but panu sangali poktubakan. But in ensambu, batu, tatu bekete poe munue, tatuasangi lepo, atyaba valit. Butamba actions to leamuna. No baywe nina bayo landi uko, chilanda sana tzu, mulanda mutuwa actions speak louder than words. Ta wuena actions I had nachila pamachu. I meetam sang oldya. What do you call that? A presumption? It's not. Presumption, fishing kasi langa. Uko susula isipa and botiamu mutum kulu chibanchu, kateka, naava kasinawana, boso with good understanding, iwumule munachili wina fumle landutumle tanda. Mle tefti pupa mituyawa nave mumuwe koyona ba uwach landi tsungwa puktila. Alela anda fidiya, techi the chpinguchala and pali jamich tide. Alo kusa chasu chanachiwa. Why twa naichiwa mwinio tina lisa. Nachihua bibati. A widow is the wife of the Lord, the one who fears the lord. What it go go about a widow in the Bible. Which your Bible and the pali nan steward. It's not every widow that the Lord is uh uh goes for to protect them, to protect their boundaries. The boundaries of the Lungu family, Ubaista Lungu, has been tampered with, has been moved. Ukulila kwa, you may feel and think le takes a ta owe takovu. It's a matter of time. You are wami up with it. But in the fullness of time, God makes all things good. So you when a mayo the way wanna mayo, if your husband died and such a thing happened, how would you feel? Lekeni if you banamaya wengi, but Justice Minister can soon today move one of the papers. Now wetter, now we should have a join the leadership, join the leadership. With such a heart, you go to join who leader.
SPEAKER_16My last caller. Allo caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_09Hello, Mr. Mwamba. This is Jedi Ndola.
SPEAKER_16Jedi, make your contribution and uh you are our last caller.
SPEAKER_09First of all, in any papa, you're talking about you. Balamanka, so Balamanaca. Young letter to a land or money. If you let you put this up at the moon to fit here, Mama Landaba to London. Now father Balama Landidati, not to money for Java, so much for me to remember each other for the Indians. That's why you come challenging upano each salary from the senda. Sit up penny to penny of penny never mumba.
SPEAKER_16Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you. Let me look for Bishop as I'm looking for him. Alo caller, I'm looking for Bishop we come and close. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_10Ambassador, I think I'll refer to myself anonymous.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, you are our last, last, last caller, no more. But you make your contribution.
SPEAKER_10I'm honored. Yeah. I'll make my contribution, I'll make it brief. Um, I think I want to say to the I'm really impressed and and totally blessed with Bishop Chilequa, who has shown that he's different because when this issue happened in South Africa when the body was stolen, I personally reached out to a number of bishops and reverends and pastors. I think only two responded to me positively. Most of the other people, uh, most of these other bishops were either ignored me or just completely. Can you hear me, Ambassador?
SPEAKER_16Yes, we can. We can.
SPEAKER_10Yes, yes. So they most of them just completely ignored me and and and you know, just didn't give a good response as what I would you would expect, you know, from pastors. I think bishops and reverends uh seem to be entangled, and that's why they cannot speak. Uh they have these interests, and and it's very, very difficult. The the the other thing I just wanted to comment about is the issue of Stalochinufia. Um, me, I want to make a statement and I want to make it very, very clear. Stalochinufia, Dr. Stalochufia, is a UPND project. That is why even that honey be thing is is is being swept under the rugs and so on and so forth. That gentleman is a UPND project. Okay, and I'm calling on all Zambians to know and to make sure that they call him out and to know that he has sold them out. All patriotic front members need to know that now Samba and UPND projects. They are doing this for the money. Okay? They are doing this for the money. Someone has paid them. One of these days, ambassador will come and speak about the details on how they made they laid out this deal. But that is what is happening. Do not let them break the unity that is happening in the opposition. The real PF is known, and those two are masquerades, and they are a UPND project. It's time to change. Uh, you know, in Zambia at so many levels that the change level, we need to bring change. And people like that are being sponsored to prevent it. Those are the things I just wanted to add. Thank you so much. I'm pleased to be the last person to speak.
SPEAKER_16Thank you. Callers, I'm so sorry. We have to end and I have to allow the bishop to go and rest. Bishop, give your last remarks. Hello, Bishop. Give your last remarks.
SPEAKER_26Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_16Yes, we can.
SPEAKER_26Hear me?
SPEAKER_16Yes.
SPEAKER_26Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_16Yes.
SPEAKER_26Hello?
SPEAKER_16We can hear you very clearly.
SPEAKER_26Thank you so much. I can come thing. Zambia is the Christian nation with to God. Our nation.
SPEAKER_16Bishop, what we can do is let me call you on your line and just speak on the line because the line is breaking. So let me call you on uh let me just call you and speak through audio. Since video is uh hotting. Let me just call Reverend Murenga Chilequa. He'll give his last remarks on the phone. Thank you to all dear callers who will not take any more calls. We are closing. Thank you. Let me just see if uh uh bishop. Just pick up the line and you you you speak through the audio line. Yeah, I don't know if he has heard the instructions. It looks like he switched off the phone so that it uh he could conduct his program without but I'm calling him on the line. Yeah, Bishop, just cut that line, uh the the broadcast line, and just go on the WhatsApp to give us your last remarks. Let me just close his broadcast so that he can give us his last remarks remarks. Thank you all to all that are calling. I know the matter becomes hot. Sometimes you come to the program very late, but uh okay, he's calling. Bishop, give your last remarks on the phone. I think it's going to be far clearer.
SPEAKER_26Uh, thank you so much, Ambassador Emmanuel Mwamba. May God continue to keep you to bless you for the work you are doing of informing our nation on the many things that are happening. In my last uh remarks, I wish to state as follows. Number one, I call on the church to intensify in praying for the nation of Zambia. There is certainly a spiritual warfare over the soul of our nation. That is very important. It is beyond politics, it is beyond legal disputes, it's a national thing, and we need to repent. It's not right. And so let there be no in no uh uh fighting and you know uh divisions of the remains of uh the former president, you know, Dr. Edgar Chagbalongo. May God have mercy upon Zambia and let us praise, bring this matter to a closure. Let us support the window, let's uh let us support the family in Jesus' name. I thank you.
SPEAKER_16Amen. Thank you very much, Bishop. Thank you very much. Dear viewers, we come to the close of the program. I'll play some video for those that didn't watch earlier. Program, we'll play some videos as we close.
SPEAKER_24Stay the focus, eyes on the ball, because if I start quarreling on everything, let me use this opportunity to say something. We need to bury the sixth president and bury him in his home in Zambia. We need to give him a decent barrier, a military barrier, because he was the commander in chief. There's no issue of who quarreled with who. We are beyond that. Where we are is responsibility, duty, Zambian character, African values to bury the dead. When you have issues, you discuss after burial. Even in families, that's what we do, isn't it? I brought this subject. Please don't push it too much. I've just brought it to show you that the kind of stuff I'm reading on social media now, insults this way, left, insults this way, right? I want to guide the nation. Let's stop this kind of stuff, Akim. I don't believe in witchcraft myself. I don't. I'm a Christian, I'm an elder in the church, I'm an Adventist, but oh the body of Christ is one. We are a Christian nation. How come in a Christian nation we are now talking witchcraft? We believe in witchcraft. No, Halefor will send the body parts. What would they do with the body parts of anybody? Let's talk sense here. What would I do with that? If I believed in witchcraft myself, in the years I was being persecuted here in Quitu, in Chingola, when we were almost killed in Chingola, how they've been hiring Angers, I have a bit of a bit of money. How they've been hiring Angers. I never went to Nangas myself. In my family, the HH family, you will never find a nunger there. I don't believe in that. We don't believe. I'm glad that my wife doesn't. We've taught our children not to waste time, they've issues prayer. But they must work. People are talking about who is doing witchcraft on this, on what, on what. No. Postmortem is a normal thing, especially when people allege that this person was poisoned. A postmortem is necessary. And the churches, I'm listening to what churches are saying. Churches must be part of the solution, not to be part of the problem. If you are a genuine church leader, be part of the solution. Don't put fuel on the fire. Especially an artificial fire like this. Let's respect the sixth president. Let's bury him where the other five aligned. It's now presidency. It is now law because there was a litigation. The sixth president, when he was in office, President Kaunda died. And some family members of President Kawunda, including the late Kaweche, may he so rest in peace. And may Keke is so rest in peace. Did not want KK to be buried at Embers Park. But the sixth president, when he was in charge, the one who is now we are fighting over to bury, simply said to the family, we are burying the President Kawunda at Embers Park. If you want, come to the funeral. If you don't want, don't come. This is the man who is lying there. He was the head of state. We all listened to him. Okay, I was not allowed to go to that funeral, but I followed it on television. And he did the right thing. I want to commend the sixth president, President Lungo, for that decision. It was the right decision. And we all followed as citizens. What is different now? What is different now? Can we stop this sort of eating each other's fabric?
SPEAKER_14Um, if it's a felt need of the family, for example, uh, that uh the uh president uh should not personally be in attendance. So what do we uh why not deregate? Why not derigate? You know, why not derigate? You know, yes, it's awkward, but unusual uh situations, unusual circumstances may demand unusual uh responses. I and it will appear, you know, the problem that we have as human beings that we think uh then out of lost, then they have won. Uh, but sometimes backing down uh and then uh allowing certain things to happen may not necessarily be a loss. It could be actually a sign that you are greater than the other, uh, because you are ready to uh you know to to to back down and give way and for the sake of the greater good of the country.
SPEAKER_19Tupita no ba mutiaku to put shula no putu musevan ya ukubi coupier, no putu sha inukashi ya qua would take a worse mana yaiko Nabuchinki show put it to Woplocks of Africa, she took a chitchamutu No put you, Nabuchinki, I'm getting for Yabayas. What is it, Okuti? Why didn't you show Lupua Okushika? Avaya she could have South Africa Wayana Makotiana. Shavu was so you have a box of Africa. No put up a channel, she wants to be in my channel, yes.