HOSTING PEOPLE'S FORUM

LIVE NOW; WE DISCUSS PF COURT MATTERS, ATTEMPTS TO BAR CERTAIN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AND INCIDENTLA MATTERS

Transcript

SPEAKER_31 0:58

We want this! We want children! We want chase!

SPEAKER_05 5:12

Okay. Where now we are seeing the same thing that is happening, you say, in in development, where the civil servant, when the senior civil servant is visiting them, the imparently a person is saying this and this. This is exactly what is going on in the politics. In the first place, a political party is formed under an ideology. A political party is formed under an ideology. If there's a political party that has got no ideology, these are the political parties that they should be deregistered. It's just like changes. Today I cannot be a Roman Catholic Church. Tomorrow I wake up, I'm in Rasizendi, the other day I'm in Zion, the other day I'm in the seventh day. Then what am I standing for? Do I have any principles in the first place? Do I understand why they change? I have joined this standing for. The answer is no. This is the political prostitution that we have seen in eastern province. I'm talking about in the Eastern Province, because that is where my mandate is. And the political parties that are receiving people that are defending from this party to this party, they must be very, very careful. They must be very, very careful. For example, let me give you. If a political party believes in communism, and another political party believes in capitalism. And if I'm a supporter of socialism or communism, how can that simply mean wake up and become a capitalist today? I mean it's nonsense. That is a prostitution. It's completely nonsense. Because these parties are found under certain ideology, what they believe in. For example, PF. PF from the way to go from his founder, Michael Saka, it is a pro a pro pure party. That's what he has been saying. It means there are elements of communism and socialism. When you look at UBND, for example, from the time of Mazoka, the way we have understood the MD, I mean uh UPND, is is standing differently from Isaiah George is different from that of uh patriotic front. You get a point. So whether you are you are an independent member of parliament, you are not the opposition, you are the ruling party, said therefore by law will still reach you.

SPEAKER_33 7:59

Now you cannot say uh fulfill if I cannot move out of my country, Zambia, to go for medication at my own expense, and I'm pulled out of a plane to say go back home and die. That for me constitutes house arrest. I will not die a peaceful death if I was to die today without restoring PFO to what it is. By the way, I've been saying to people who want me to reconcile with the president that look, the only way we can start talking about reconciliation is for the man to begin restoring democracy. And how he restores democracy to me is by restoring the legitimate leadership into PFO, where we were on 23rd October 2023, where we had elected leaders like myself as president and others, including our SDs and everybody. Once he restores that, he tells his people in the civil service to say, if I cannot move out of my country, Zambia, to go for medication at my own expense, and I'm pulled out of a plane to say go back home and die. That for me constitutes house arrest. I will not die, a peaceful death, if I was to die today without restoring PFO to what it is. By the way, I've been saying to people who want me to reconcile with the president that look, the only way we can start talking about reconciliation is for the man to begin restoring democracy. And how he restores democracy to me is by restoring the legitimate leadership into PFO, where we were on 23rd October.

SPEAKER_35 9:37

Have you ever heard me answer stay the focus? Eyes on the focus because everybody started quarreling on everything. Let me use this opportunity to say something. We need to bury the sixth president and bury him in his home in Zambia. We need to give him a decent barrier, a military barrier, because he was a commander-in-chief. There's no issue of who quarreled with who. We are beyond that. Where we are is responsibility, duty, Zambian character, African values to bury the dead. When you have issues, you discuss after burial. Even in families, that's what we do, isn't it? I brought this subject. Please don't push it too much. I've just brought it to show you that the kind of stuff I'm reading on social media now, insults this way, left, insults this way, right? I want to guide the nation. Let's stop this kind of stuff. I don't believe in witchcraft myself. I don't. I'm a Christian. I'm an elder in the church. I'm an Adventist. But all the body of Christ is one. We are a Christian nation. How come in a Christian nation we are now talking witchcraft? We believe in witchcraft. No. What would I do with the body parts of anybody? Let's talk sense here. What would I do with that? If I believed in witchcraft myself, in the years I was being persecuted here in Kitu, in Chingola, when we were almost killed in Chingola, I would have been hiring youngers. I have a bit of a bit of money. How would they have been hiring angers? I never went to Nangas myself. In my family, the HH family, you will never find a Nanger there. I don't believe in that. We don't believe. I'm glad that my wife doesn't. We've taught our children not to waste time, they've issues prayer. But they must work. People are talking about who is doing witchcraft on this, on what, on what. No. Postmortem is a normal thing. Especially when people allege that this person was poisoned. A postmortem is necessary. And the churches, I'm listening to what churches are saying. Churches must be part of the solution, not to be part of the problem. If you're a genuine church leader, be part of the solution. Don't put fuel on the fire. Especially an artificial fire like this. Let's respect the sixth president. Let's bury him where the other five aligned. It's now presidency. It is now law because there was a litigation. The sixth president, when he was in office, President Kaunda died. And some family members of President Kawunda, including the late Kawej, may he so rest in peace. And may KK is so rest in peace. Did not want KK to be buried at Embers Park. But the sixth president, when he was in charge, the one who is now, we are fighting over to bury, simply say to the family, we are burying the president Kawunda at Embers Park. If you want, come to the funeral. If you don't want, don't come. This is the man who is lying there. He was the head of state. We all listened to him. Okay, I was not allowed to go to that funeral, but I followed it on television. And he did the right thing. I want to commend the sixth president, President Lungu, for that decision. It was the right decision. And we all followed as citizens.

SPEAKER_27 13:55

Welcome to today's broadcast. Kindly share the broadcast. Kindly share the broadcast. I last held a broadcast on Sunday. And you know, sometimes you have so many things to do. And some things happen in the morning, which is your peak hour in Zambia at 20. And sometimes I may not be available because I've got a meeting probably at 10 hours or 11 hours, and I have to go somewhere. So I haven't had a broadcast since uh Sunday, but it gives you an opportunity to listen to others and to share the views on the other platforms. And for me, I think it's also a diversity that uh there are so many uh voices coming on scene. I saw my young brother Joseph Mwenda at News Diggers, other than the newspaper has introduced a podcast, mind your business, and I'm following it. Well done, uh Joseph Mwenda, and you've had great guests so far. Uh that you you know you've heard um I I I have seen Kalemba is introducing a podcast as well. This is important. We should have uh diverse views and opinions to make you, the viewer, make an informed opinion in every space, go to every platform so that by the time you've consumed your news, you will have a balanced opinion on our country. I'm not one who says, only listen to my podcast or don't listen to the other podcast. No. If JJ Banda has uh uh a live you know program on Facebook, please go there. It is very important that we gather all these views for you as a voter to finally make an important announcement. The issue of elections will still be, I think, the biggest issue here because it's a standing issue until we have elections, and the dynamics around elections will be will be important to communicate. The EU has submitted, I think they want a budget of about they will support Zambia to a tune of something like five million dollars. But they've given Zambia conditions if you want us to give you this money. Your election must be democratic, your elections must be credible, your elections must be transparent. They must be free and fair. What are these issues where you want to exclude some candidates? What's this business where you've banned the patriotic front through legal and you know imingalato process? They've been putting pressure on Zambia that Zambia should give guarantees that it is able to offer democratic, credible, transparent, free and fair elections. The president has announced that he will ensure and endeavor that we'll have free and fair elections. But how can we have free and fair elections if the PF is not on the ballot? How can we have elections with these schemes you have that I'll be discussing in detail to bar certain candidates? How will it be free and fair? And then we'll be discussing the issue of unity and opposition unity because there's a strong backlash. And thank you to you callers, you've been very strong on all our candidates that have come to this forum. Unite, unite, stop your egos. Look, someone, look at someone who will win you an election. He may not be the best candidate, he may not be the most intelligent candidate, but look at someone who can win you an election. And thank you to you. I have seen various statements by various political leaders who are now saying, no, we are willing to work, we are willing to work. I had Honorable Harikalava here, citizen first president last Friday, and he stated unequivocally that he's willing to uh uh uh stand, lead, or be led. He says, I have made this very public that I'm willing to lead and I'm willing to be led. I think that's a very high mark commitment. And he says he has been to see every leader, nearly every leader, both in the PF and outside the PF, and that he has been to their homes to discuss this issue of national unity. I had Dr. Fred Membe and Dorica Banda here, and Dr. Fred Membe made it very clear that his Congress had directed him to go into an alliance and not just to lead, but also to be willing to be led. Although that was very, very, very good commitment from Dr. Fred Membe. And he says, even this letter we can negotiate. The proposition is still empty. They are not lock and key. Phone and sim card with Dolika Banda. He says if there is an attractive agreement here, we can abandon what we've agreed. Dr. Membe said even the Socialist Party has shelved its fundamental program and is going with the national, national the People's Forum program, which is more diverse, which is less ideological. And the Socialist Party says to that extent, I have and I'm willing to succumb, to, to, to, to, to yield to the demand of his Congress that told him, go and form alliance, go and be in an alliance, gather with your colleagues in the opposition. We saw my dear brother Bran Munwili issue a challenge to all the major opposition leaders, and he named Citizen First Honorable Harikalava, he named KBF, he named Dr. Fred Membe. He says, Come, we discuss. And he was hosting, was a group led by Muhabilungu. He was receiving them to Tonsei Alliance. So, your pressure is working. Keep on mounting that pressure. Tell these leaders in no unequivocal term that you must unite. I'll be hosting Makebizulu on Sunday, and I hope also that he can make similar commitments as other leaders have made serious commitments. And talking of uh unity in the opposition, it should not just be a matter of posturing. In fact, you opposition leaders, we want by the time we see you before cameras to come with an agreement. We are tired of seeing you pictures, shaking hands, or having coffee together with no yield. And yet ECZ is showing that 25 of you have paid. 25 of you have paid. So no more posturing, no more pictures for sure. Our people will not be fooled anyway. Go into proper agreement and only come to the public when you've got an agreement. I think that has been a rallying core here. And there are parameters. Who's strong? Who can win us? Who can escape these mingalatos by the PF? Who has less chance of being stopped? Because President Akainde HLMA is determined, very determined to ensure that he knocks out very strong political opponents. And this is the time. And even the calendar, the way they've made it, the fighting of nominations for MPs and councillors, mayors and council chairperson, at the same time with the president, gives no room for independence and gives no room for someone to hop from one to the other. The only opportunity you have is just the next two weeks to agree. Because by the time it's filing in, you might have a certificate from one party and you think that you can change to another party. There might be no room. I've warned you again and again. That do not underestimate that 80-year-old woman, Code Mwangala Zalomes. She was a lawyer for UNIP. She's handled election petition for UNIP. She was a lawyer for Dr. Kenneth David Kaunda. Mwanawasa appointed her as chairperson for the Electoral Reform Technical Committee of 2003. That laid the groundwork and the electoral process that you see now. It was done by that Mwangala Zalomis. Mwangala Zalomis, who's UPND? By doing and designing things she's doing, she's not doing them out of ignorance or in defiance of the constitution. She's doing everything to advantage the UPND. So she's using her vast knowledge and experience to do exactly what we are warning you about. Don't underestimate McDonald Spenzi. He was president, is it executive director for FODEP for many years? So he understands the electoral process. He had an organization called GIAS, which mobilized 60,000 people to monitor the 2021 elections. And he managed that process. You don't know what they did, but Spenzi is not someone you can underestimate. Then you have Brown Cassaro, one of the best IT personnel in the country in relation to elections, is called across Africa and elsewhere to advise on the electoral process, especially integrating IT and knowledge of the elections. So you have a core team running elections. They brought Dr. Collins Kachaka. Similar issues, very well qualified, very well known, but more-wise, there have been issues. Brown Cassaro, despite his qualifications, was found trying to fiddle with elections in 2016, trying to make the UPND win. So don't underestimate the infrastructure of ECZ. They know what they are doing. They know what they want to do. Even the calendars, and I'm a bit disappointed that the opposition leaders have not been very forceful on ECZ. We talked briefly about nomination fees, but that's nothing. Anyone can afford that 100,000 quacha. And as we have seen, about 25 of 25 people have paid 2.5 million quacha. So it's not even an issue. It's about these particular issues where they do not want political parties to maneuver, where they are being outmaneuvered using the law and using regulations. When the electoral process bill passes as an act, there it has again provisions that are favoring the UPND. They are removing secret uh security features on the ballot. They are giving powers to both ECZ and the registrar of societies. These two are being given a lot of powers to bar you, to stop you, to suspend campaigns, to determine how elections should be done. Literally bar, literally defiling the provision of the constitution. That's what they are doing. So you have a technical team that lives and breathes the electoral process. That is at uh Isis. They even want to bring that Ichilema's lawyer, Zevoanji Sinkala, to beef up what they are doing. The opposition, I can lament with you that you've been casual in your approach. You have not been forceful. Your numerous press conferences, when I do content analysis, you say very little about ECZ. You say very, very little about ECZ. I remember uh uh uh, you know, when the matters for ECL were coming up, I kept on saying this is a political matter, it's not a legal matter. ECL will be banned by the constitutional court. But the constitutional court are looking to the country if you have political activity. If it is silent, they will bar Edgar Lungo and it will just be another day. And for sure the country was silenced. And the constitutional came with a judgment barring, an illegal judgment barring Edgar Lungu from any election and future elections. Similarly, your silence doesn't help. Even when you have the knowledge of what ECZ is doing, you're quiet. Your your your your your press conferences are about yourself, your media statements are about yourself. Every time you engage with the public, it's just about your pictures and your greetings. No content, no public pressure on what ECZ is doing, what President Akainde Ichilema is doing. Here, we have 74 bills before Parliament. Nelly Muti to Dewa saying you will pass all the 74 bills, whether you will sit up to midnight and whether you will sit on Saturday and Sunday, by the time we come to May 16th, the 74 bills must have been passed. This is how they are dealing with the country and democratic institutions. They don't care about public opinion because there's no none, there's none. There's no public opinion, there's no public pressure, and there is no informed debate about what is wrong with this electoral process. Let's go to the main issues one by one. This is today's People's Forum, and I'll be opening the lines very, very quickly so that you can participate. And I'm calling on public pressure. Public pressure can be created by Emmanuel Mwamba. It has to be created by you. The way, for example, you were enraged around Edgar Lungu's matter, where they store the body and conducted an illegal opinion on a vested body parts. That kind of pressure is necessary to bring to bear on the electoral process. We just can't be revouged, outraged by selected issues. Here is an election. It's being stolen in your eyes. We are giving you the evidence of how the election is being stolen. Look at the laws they are crafting, look at the regulations, look at the team they've assembled at ECZ, and look at the dangers and traps they've laid for you. Should it be normal to accept that certain candidates will be bad? Should that be normal? And even when they bat three, four candidates, you know what they are going to say? They will say 23 others are participating. They will say this is a democratic election. Whether Muriokela is there or not, they will say it's a democratic election. Because they say, we bad those, it's not our fault, it's regulation. It's an electoral process bill, it's an electoral process act. They are the rules. That's what they say. You can't blame us. Blame the candidates that have been disqualified. Until you bring pressure to bear, until your narrative is around the concerns around elections. The election will be a foregone conclusion. It will be Hichilema running away with a stolen victory and all of us complaining. The time to remedy is now. The time to remedy the issues is now. I had made an announcement that I'll discuss the Morgan on a versus Mao Sampa. I won't dwell much on it because it's been overtaken by events. You are aware that the Patriotic Front took Mao Sampa to court, that he had held an illegal conference. Mao Sampa has scored some major victories because we've asked, we have stated time and again that that program was a state house program to first disintegrate the PF, to put it in disarray, to put it in confusion, and to ensure that the Patriotic Front is not on the ballot in 2026. That has been our narrative from 2023. And it has never changed. The aim by President Hakainde Ichilema is to ensure that the PF is not on the ballot. It doesn't matter the iteration of events, the focus by Ichilema remains the same. That the PF should not be on the ballot. Even this EU meeting where they've pledged$5 million, I can tell you as a diplomat that this government and this is under a lot of pressure. There was a specific question: why isn't PF on the ballot? And government's answer is that no, but PF Balelwa Febekabeka, never PF, Mao Sampa, Robachabinga, given Lubinda Makebizular. No. It has been single mandate to Ministry of Home Affairs that PF should not exist. And President Dakainde H Lema ensured that the judgments at first favored Mao Sampa. Later, when Mao Sampa showed Atel and Tenka, they began to favor Robert Chavinga and Morgan Ngona. That that that mission remains focused like this. Do not be fooled by the iteration. And today's event proves what I'm telling you, what I've repeatedly stated, that this is a state house project. Number one, Mao Sampa, like I was saying, that we took him to court, he won that case. We've appealed to the Court of Appeal because we still hold that the conference that made Mao Sampa president is not a legal conference. It's not a legitimate conference. It was held by UPND and some of his some of our known people. They didn't meet any of the minimum standards of the Patriotic Front Constitution. And Mao Sampa has agreed with us, reneged on that matter through a consent that we agreed with him. And he agreed to restore the PF. Of course, there have been issues, the president, President Edgalungu died, but the consent agreement is there. Mao Sampa is supposed to honor it, whatever the court said. But the court ruled in his favor. And what he did do he now ran away and declared himself PF president, ignoring the process that he was part of. Remember, I was Deputy Secretary General when we were organizing the general conference that elected Makebi Zolu. Administratively, we said it's going to be called no name, because matters were in court and was an injunction from Kahwe. But the PF elected Makebizolu. Under a process that Mao Sampa participated in as Deputy Secretary General, was part of the organizers. When the matter, of course, the actual election was taking place, Mao Sampa had the funeral and he was in Southern Province to bury, I think, his grandmother. But Mao Sampa was part of that process. But as soon as he was given the judgment, he declared himself president, says I've dissolved the central committee. He appointed his own people and began to run. He has even done another thing where he has appointed Dr. Chitaru Chulufia as presidential candidate. Who elected Dr. Chitaru Chilufia? The PF elected Makebizulu. So on this matter, it's interno. I'm part of it. I don't know if it's too late for the seniors that are in PF to speak to Mao Sampa, but what I can tell you is that he ran away and he started waiting for the Court of Appeal injunction that Mogona had obtained. And when Moganingona's injunction today failed, we saw the celebration by Mao Sampa. And he rushed to even the party secretariat to claim the PF. Even when he knows, he knows where the PF is. He knows the role of the PF under Makebizolu. But he wants to use the legal, this success, so-called legal success, to do all this. The judge, and I had warned in one of the charts, stated why Morgan Ngwona's appeal failed in the court of appeal. The judge, the the three judges said, therefore, the appellant having not made the application first in the High Court, it is incompetently before this court and must be dismissed. Why did they dismiss the injunction by Morgan Ningona? They said Morganingona, as soon as he made the appeal before the High Court, before Judge C C Zulu, he should have also obtained an injunction there. They said we see no evidence that he applied for an injunction there. He put in a notice of appeal, wanted to stay the judgment. The court of appeal says we didn't see, we haven't seen any application. So for this reason, because you are supposed to appeal before the same judge to obtain the injunction that he sought to stay the judgment. Unless that fails, that's when you come to us. That is a ruling. And what did Morganingona do today? It's like this whole process is scripted from state house. The court of appeal is reading this judgment that Morganing should have obtained this high court order here, which was given by a single judge, not here. He should have obtained it before the lower court. Three hours later, Moganingona has uh an injunction through that same judge. The same judge who handled the matter, Concepta Chinyanuwa Zulu, issued an injunction to Moganingona to restrain Mao Sampa from uh uh dismissing. Why is that important? Because Moga Ningona is Secretary General. Can therefore Moga Ningwona sign adoption certificates for uh PPF members? He cannot. Because Moganingona and Robert Chavinga claim that they're in a UPND alliance. In fact, his acting president uh Robert Chavinga has even crossed over, he has joined the PF. He's among the over 11 MPs that have joined the UPND. Morganing, I mean Robert Chavinga is among those MPs that have joined the UPND. So that is what has happened today. Briefly, Mao Sampa celebrated that the PPF is back to us. But when I read the details of the judgment, I said the trouble is it has referred Moganingwana back to the High Court. By today or tomorrow, Moga Ningona will have obtained an injunction. And before Fiatwana Timukanuangokwele, an injunction was given to Moganingwana, and we are back to the same status. We also have an appeal process through Rafe O Nakachinda because we have objected to this judgment by Chinyawa Zulu who stated that a conference held by Mao Sampa was legal and legitimate. We've refused that it was not. Otherwise, we'll have defiled the PF constitution. So we've appealed. Um second matter, what's happening to Makebizulu and what does he stand in all this? So the PF after the crisis of PF Tonse Alliance, you remember it where Bran Mundwili ran with the uh with the Tonsei Alliance, under the leadership of then Given Louindas, decided that the PF Tonse has created, will transform to PF Pamosi Alliance. And the PF Pamosi Alliance now as new president in Makebizulu. And Makebizulu under the that party they've picked a special purpose vehicle called Resolute Party under which Makebizulu and PF candidates will stand. I think they are supposed to do a launch this weekend, a launch um of uh resolute party by the PF Pamosi Alliance as a special purpose vehicle. Remember the Tonsei Alliance as a special purpose vehicle in FDD. The PF Tonsei Alliance at the time we had picked NCP as a special purpose vehicle. We later picked FDD, which with Tonsey has remained as their special purpose vehicle. So the PF Pamosi Alliance, because I've seen a lot of ignorance on social media, they keep on saying Makebizulu has defected to resolute, but no, he has not. What we have done is not different from what we did where we picked NCP as a special purpose vehicle, where we picked FDD as a special purpose vehicle. Currently, the PF Pamosi Alliance has picked Resolute Party as a special purpose vehicle to participate in the elections. We hear when Makebizulu comes here on Sunday, we're going to question him. What is the response by your members? Are they willing to go on this new special purpose vehicle? After you NCP fellaway, after FDD fellowway, now you have resolute party. If your members, if MPs, counselors, council chairperson and mayors accepted this, we are going to ask Makebizulu that question. Someone says, Ambassador, name the people that have defected to UPND. Yes. And we have said their seat should be nullified even this late hour. But the speaker will not. She says she will rule. I guess she will rule on the 16th when they are closing parliament, where it will be totally relevant. And remember, for gratuities, paid pro latter, meaning up to the day you have saved. You don't forfeit the gratuity. So it will be a meaningless academic ruling. Besides, she wants them to pass all these 74 bills. So Sande Chanda Kanchvia, Davison Mungandu, Chama South, Marjorie Nakaponda, Isoka, Jodas and Daka Chadiza, Robert Chabinga Mafinga, Levanchwe, Bahati, Anton Mumba Kantanshi, Mishek Nyambose, Independent Chasefu, Sidney Mushanga Wacha in Kawe, Andrew Zindlu Lubusha, Chipangali, Siwongi Lemwamba, my dear sister, Kasama Centro, Taulo Chewe Luwansenshi, Kuluingukuria, Michael Zondani, Katambo, Masaiti, Andelaya Sdraka, Musanzala, these have officially crossed the floor and they are not supposed to be in parliament. And I think this one day will haunt them. I remember when the opposition said the ministers must not remain in office. The ministers remained in office. There was a court process. It took two years, and an order came. Pay up. You were illegally in office. Similarly, this matter is not going anywhere. Neri Muti might think that she's getting away with it, but it's into a kulom sang woo you, it's a constitution cannot be allowed. Um yeah, another matter on Mao Sampa. There's still a matter in Kwe High Court where our party is represented, of course, by Brendan Yurenda, who has since gone to uh to um to Tonsei Alliance. But we have an injunction together there where Moganingona restrained us what is supposed to happen with the win that Mao Sampa has gotten from the Court of Appeal. He's supposed to take that judgment to the uh Kabwe High Court and inform it that he wants Moganingona substituted because he fired him. But as we've seen, is that Moganingona again has obtained an injunction back in the High Court. So thank you for that reminder. Uh let me go before I open the phone lines. Let me go to the issues that I had listed. I've explained on Moganingona versus Moo Sampa. I've stated that the matter has been overtaken by events. I wanted to go into in-depth and give the history of this matter and where we are. It's not necessary because there's another injunction. So we are back to status quo, where Moganingona stops the process uh by Mao Sampa. Uh the PF Pamosi Alliance, I think I've explained, it's very simple, is that Makebi was elected as president of the PF. Remember, they had to use no name party because of the injunction in Kawe. So they went around it. Like they would go around many issues. And um uh the PF under uh Honorable Given Lubinda had taken this uh said we cannot be claiming PF Tonse for Lubinda, PF Tonse for Mundubila. We are going to create a new thing, and they created Pamosi Alliance, Tiende Pamosi Alliance, simply shortened as you know, PF Pamosi Alliance. The PF Pamosi Alliance have picked a special purpose vehicle like they did with FDD, like they did with NCP, they've picked Resolute Party. Makebizulu has not resigned from the PF. He has not abandoned the PF in any way. It's still the same arrangement we had where we said, look, Ichelem has deplatformed us, but we are going to operate as PF. And we won the Petauke seat under NCP, and we won Chawama under FDD, and we nearly won Kasama under FDD. Similarly, the you know a new political party called Resolute Party has been picked as a special purpose vehicle. There's a launch happening over the weekend, and I've invited Makebizulu to come to this platform to explain all these issues to the members. Someone is saying, but what happened between Makebi and uh Citizen First and Honorable Kalaba? Well, Makebizulu be here and you come and answer. It is a wish of many members that some form of alliance must work. But like we are bemoaning is that there is failure by our political leaders to come together. And that was my opening remarks. I hope it's not too late. We can learn to what happened in 2021. In 2021, Felix Mutati paid, brought 1,000 supporters to the ECZ. But at the filing of nominations, he abandoned the process and said he was going to support Hakainde Ichilema. Similarly, we hope that leaders in various political parties will rise to this occasion, even if they paid the 100,000 kwacha, and say, but what will you do with our members? What will you do with us? Let us discuss, but let us emancipate Zambia from the clutches and the claws of President Hakainde Ichilema. The schemes to bar political parties. I think I had alerted uh uh you as a gathering that there was uh, this is almost two months ago, that there was a there was a scheme to bar political uh uh leaders from participating in elections. I'd warned you that they're going to use the registrar of societies, they will attempt to bar independence because they are going to say there is no enough time to scrutinize you. They are going to say for the people appearing on the registrar of society, political parties, and I think this is where people could have misunderstood a KBF. KBF was saying they are going to pick those that are listed as presidents on the registrar of societies. I think he didn't say it properly. What he should have said is that independents may face problems, or candidates sponsored by a political party, because question will arise. For those that are appearing on the registrar of societies already, registrar of societies will simply write a letter that these ones are cleared already. Because you clear them at registration of the party or at change of office bearers. Those people are cleared, whether they are bankrupt, whether they are Zambians, whether they have no issues, they've not been to jail more than three years. That process for the people appearing on the register is already cleared. It comes to the independents and those sponsored by political parties. For example, if a political party says it's sponsoring Emmanuel Muamba as its presidential candidate, I am being introduced to ECZ and to the Registrar of Societies for the first time. So I need to be cleared by the system. So when KBF says they'll only pick names from the Registrar of Societies, he was right to the extent that even those, for example, who are standing as independents, especially independents or sponsored by a political party, there will be a process to clear them. And this is where we see Mingalato where they want to back candidates. We know that, like I announced two months ago, that for the independence, we have seen that ECZ says even independents can file in. We have seen certain candidates file in as independents. On all the receipts I have seen, I have seen, for example, Bran Munduile. There is no name attached to him. Makebizulu, there is RP, meaning resolute party. Harikalava, there is CF, meaning citizen first. Fred Member, the Socialist Party, meaning is being sponsored by Socialist Party. Bran Mundwile is blank, meaning it's an independent. So I was saying for the independents, because they've given seven days. The process begins on the 18th, ends on 23rd May, and then it will take seven days for ECZ to come and announce to you who the successful candidates are. It's during that period that they will now scrutinize the process. Whether you are qualified, they will look at Article 100 in the Republican Constitution, they will look at those 35 qualifications that are there, they will look at the Electoral Process Act of 2016. If the new Electoral Process Act of 2026 will not have passed, they will rely on the 2026. After seven days, they are going to announce the successful candidate. And I was warning that for the independents, they are going to claim that there has been not enough time to pursue them. For those sitting on the current register, it is easier for ECZ because it's going to say, no, he's a presidential candidate, we clear this, we is a president of this political party, or is an office bearer of this political party, whatever the presence, is that for you to be on the register of office bearers, they will have cleared your fingerprints, they have cleared your NRSC, they have cleared everything else. Whoever has formed a political party will tell you that it takes three months to one year just to clear you. I was with Sebastian Copland here, and he said it had taken him one year just to change office bearers from Longotti to Sebastian Copland. And many people that have formed political parties will tell you that that process takes a long time. And it is that process I was warning that for independence, government is just going to claim that there's no time. The matters are still with the Attorney General, or the matters are still with OP. No, the matters are still with the Zambia police. They are going to use those encumbrances to disenfranchise candidates. And if you are sponsored by a political party, again you are like an independent, you are being introduced afresh. And they would say they would need similar time to clear your names. Now, these administrative procedures are being used not for the benefit of democratic, credible, transparent, free and fair elections. They are being used to disenfranchise candidates. And that's why I'm telling you that every time we have debate, let's have informed debate so that we can put adequate pressure on the ECZ, adequate pressure on President Akainde Echidema to compel him. That's scrutiny of me as a Zambian, whether I've been to jail, whether I'm a Zambian, whether I've been to, you know, I've never been bankrupted. It's a matter that can take two, three days. There can even be a plea clearance. I think I'd warned when we learned of this meeting with ECZ. I had said, can you, for example, persuade ECZ, as soon as you pay the 25,000 quacha, the 100,000 quacha, ECZ takes it upon themselves to do a plea clearance so that at nomination you are accepted. And the decision by ECZ to say after filing of nomination to take seven days to declare you as eligible or not is illegal. It's not in the law. The ECZ are supposed to get your documents and declare you whether you are eligible or not there and then. Look at the 2015 elections, look at the 2016 elections. In fact, if you remember in 2016, uh Hichelema went with about six running mates, if you remember. There was uh Nevas Mumba, there was GBM, I think there was Mao Sampa. Why? Because uh ECZ as uh the returning officer was going to look at a document and say, because remember there was a new issue of grade 12. GBM, you don't have a grade 12, so you are disqualified. There was that fear. So Hichile Mailena is okay with six other candidates. So if GBM had been disqualified there, he was just going to pick maybe Neva Swumba or Mao Sampa or Felix Mtati as a second running mate. You remember what happened in 2016. So the decision by ECZ, you file in nominations and you are made to wait for 10 days is illegal. You're supposed to file in your nominations and they declare you whether you've successfully filed in or not. Like I was telling you, Nelly Mut, I mean Mwangala Zalomis, knows the electoral process to the latter. That's why she can devise this method. Why is she devising this method? Because when you come for filing of nominations, you come with thousands of your supporters. And imagine your country that is declared that is not qualified. There can be ma'am, the city can be brought down. So she's very, very, very clear. She wants you to go back with your supporters. You should be in your home, at home alone, when she's making this announcement. But that decision, that administrative decision, is not supported by any law. In the comments, tell me if there is a law that supports uh Mongala Zalomis to say she'll declare after seven days. Tell me, is these things I'm warning you about? Where they want to disenfranchise candidates that will be sponsored by a political party, candidates that would do not appear on the registrar of societies but will be sponsored by any political party. They can do this to Makebizulu, they can do this to uh Chanda Katootogo. Because what questions are they going to ask? They can do this to Bran Munuwile. Because let's take, for example, of my dear brother, who's not political in this case, because if I take the example of Makebi or Munuwile, you are going to take it. And Chanda Augustine Katotogue, Munjali Leko, but it's a good example. Pep has adopted Chandakatotue as his presidential candidate. Chandakatotue has even done a noble thing. He has recognized that the law says by him accepting this, he's no longer a member of the Patriotic Front and he's no longer an MP of the PF. He has even resigned from parliament. But let's take this example. ECZ is going to ask Registrar of Societies to clear Chandakatotue. It's going to call Mr. Sean Tembo. Mr. Sean Tembo, you've written this letter to invite Mr. Chandakatotou as your presidential candidate. Did your committee seat, did your general conference seat to adopt Mr. Chandakatotou as presidential candidate? Or if you wrote the letter alone, does your constitution that is registered with us give you powers to do what you have done, whether you've unilaterally picked Chandakatotobe as your presidential candidate? That is what ECZ, I mean that's ECZ and Registrar of Society will do. And if you look at the electoral process bill, it's empowering ECZ to even ask those questions. That's why they want an SG that is registered with them. An SG and president registered with them, who can sign the adoption certificate? And before they do that, those two people must be cleared with the registrar of societies. All these tricks are being done. And they are just going to say it is a law, it is not me. It is the regulations, it is not me. Wangala Zalomi Sou says just your regulation, your people in parliament. Your people's parliament made these laws, made these regulations. You can't blame us. You can't blame us if you didn't have a general conference. You can't blame us if your general conference was not accepted and adopted by the Registrar of Societies. We have an issue in our country. We should ensure that whoever is eligible to participate participates. But it will be our duty to say, come together and give us a leader. That should be another matter. They should not take advantage of the gridness and duplicity of everyone who wants to stand and to stop them. No. It's not ECZ or registrar of society's issue. That is a people's issue. Our people must say, no, you cannot stand in 25. But I'm also very comforted by what happened in Malawi. There were 16 candidates and people just went for one old man. So it doesn't matter how many you are. If you don't want to listen to our advice, the people of Zambia in their wisdom are going to pick one candidate and support that candidate.

SPEAKER_35 57:59

Stay the focus. Eyes on the ball. Because if I start quarreling on everything, let me use this opportunity to say something. We need to bury the sixth president. And bury him in his home in Zambia. We need to give him a decent barrier, a military barrier, because he was the commander-in-chief. There's no issue of who quarreled with who. We are beyond that. Where we are is responsibility, duty, Zambian character.

SPEAKER_27 58:37

Ah, we have our first caller. Caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_14 58:45

Anonymous.

SPEAKER_27 58:46

Anonymous make your contributions. Thank you very much. Thank you. The line is open and you can make contributions to the discussions that we are having today. Anonymous, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_34 1:01:08

Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_27 1:01:40

Thank you very much. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Hello. Just a minute, my dear sister. Just a minute.

SPEAKER_30 1:02:01

Umbassador. Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_27 1:02:08

Yes, now I can hear you. Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_30 1:02:10

Okay. I just have a few questions, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:02:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_30 1:02:17

I have a few questions, Ambassador. Thank you for the time that you always give us. I'll remain anonymous for now.

SPEAKER_27 1:02:24

Yes, anonymous.

SPEAKER_30 1:02:25

Um, I have like maybe four questions that I want to ask. And these questions are directed to Mao Zamba. I know you say he's not here, but he should be listening wherever he is. And the people of Zambia will also listen. I think for me, I'm very happy the way you've explained on the misinformation that people have gotten concerning Makebizul because people have been saying he has formed the party, he has defected from the PF. And I'm glad you explained that in a very simple way, which is very good. The following questions when you look at the patriotic front, that the Mouse and Pakistan tossing to and from. The second question, Ambassador, that I'll ask him is what happened to his party which he formed, which was United Democratic Party. Why did he leave his party and come back to destroy the PM? The other question is you should bear in mind you can never auction a party which you claim your uncle formed, if at all he had respect for his uncle, who's Michael Jesus and the means, always rest in peace. For me, I think Mouse, when he came and um did forgiveness to the late ECL, he was one of the people who refused and said, let's not accept him, because maybe most people didn't know that. Mouse at the time he was alone, he remained alone, so he didn't know how to fight for the PFO when it went to court. So now he wanted to come back and get the sympathy from everybody. And when they felt that the part has been given to him, he decided to go to default setting and sell the party. And today some people have said it, he has delivered to where he wanted to send it. So who call him for let him not confuse the Zambians who know that the PF alliance was formed, and they elected Makebizulu as the uh presidential um uh uh um that we are going to run on the resolute party. It's simple and straightforward, no problem. Thank you, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:05:15

Thank you very much. Anonymous make a contribution.

SPEAKER_24 1:06:12

We have patroncy. And then we have resolute party. We have some party. Are you with me?

SPEAKER_27 1:06:31

We are listening, my brother.

SPEAKER_24 1:06:34

Yes. What is happening on the ground? As I'm trying by all means to look forward, to gain support, so that at least I can have support for resolutions of art. Once you sit down with the community, the community will say, no, PFE idea now. Once you sit down with the structure of that PFU are claiming to be Mundure, they are like, what can we do? You you can't stand as a cancer. So since we have got this structure at the moment, we are not going to support you. Not until you support this person. Honestly speaking, looking at all things at the moment, we are in a mess. Not the level whereby we are thinking. They are trying to confuse all system. Whereby we are in a mess, ambassador, and honestly speaking, we don't know. Actually, it's even better to give up and say maybe better we forget about these elections.

SPEAKER_27 1:08:44

That is the intention of each lemma. PF is dead. Pf is not dead. No PF is my key. That is the purpose. PF is my purpose. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_24 1:09:11

Oh, please, please, please, let's pay attention and uh can you guide us here properly? We have this confusion, it's the total confusion I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_27 1:09:19

Thank you. Thank you. Uncle Jay, please tell us your name and where you're calling from. I think it's this is Uncle Jay.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:25

Yes, it is. Thank you. I really appreciate what you've actually put out. Um that is actually correct. That is my concern right now. Um, is it's the laser fair kind of approach that um the opposition has taken. When we've been calling for unity, we are calling for unity.

unknown 1:09:49

It's not just about standing as a president. There is more to it.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:54

It is the coordination that needs to be there in filling in, you know, uh positions in terms of MPs, counselors, putting up together resources that will help to have security for the election throughout the country. There is no opposition, looking at the way UPND have planted this coming election, it is so much against an opposite opposition political party. So no opposition political party alone can actually manage to hand and solve the votes throughout the country. They need to come together to put up resources together. It's not just standing as a president. This is what we are calling for. It is a united voice standing up against CCZ. That is what we are calling for. It is a voice that is going to say no to what is happening at Parliament. But as long as they are divided in this manner, it is easy for the government to maneuver and do whatever they want to do. That is why we've been calling for unity. Maybe they will understand when we speak like this. So unity is not just about a president, you know, standing. No. An election is huge. There's so much that is involved for an election to take place. Time is not with this with them. They should understand this. All these our leaders. There is no time. And every minute that goes, they are busy crafting deals. If really there was serious opposition, many much wouldn't have it easy. But they have it easy because, like you said, no one is talking. You know, it's business as usual.

SPEAKER_27 1:11:49

Thank you, Anton.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:50

Last three, lastly, Ambassador, let me conclude by this. I looked at uh I it's a question that I wanted to ask because this you know, big conference that should have taken place in Zambia, it had a lot of economic benefits. What is it since this government represents us and they do things for the benefit of Zambians? Can they come to the citizens and tell them what benefits is there for the country, you know, for them having cancelled this? What is it that the the public of the cause you know hotels were going to benefit the transport sector toalism was going to benefit from this? Even Zambia was going to be on the world map. Where? What is it that is come out of this cancellation? Can they tell us as a nation we did this, this is what we've lost, or this is what we're gonna gain, or if there is an alternative, if China's promised them a lot of money, I don't know.

unknown 1:12:57

Thank you.

SPEAKER_27 1:12:58

Thank you very much. Make your contribution, my dear sister.

SPEAKER_26 1:13:14

Thank you so much, Ambassador Mwachirabakova Mwabachita District, independent member of parliament, one of the constituency kulwaisha. Now remember member of parliament for PF4 reminded me when Kauumbuka Wumbu, my dear brother-in-law, Bamwanza, Dr. Mwanza. Ba Mwamba, Ina hasn't lost hope. And maybe because I'm talking to a lot of stakeholders, and what people are saying is don't give them our ideas all the time openly. Ina'm one of those people who is talking to a lot of stakeholders and our leaders to unite. I'm sure you are aware that I even announced to say since there is a new constituency which has been created, kunoku chongwe, and there are ten words. And I agreed. And in them yeah, we can't review a lot. They are going to get a shock out of their lives because some of these uh candidates of ours, if they can't listen from the church. The church has told them what to do. Who can't listen from our chiefs? What can people do? But I can tell you, whoever thought nanguba government they can do whatever they want their way. Did they ever think that kutu ashika le ropa no ba ed garungu tatuabashika? We planned how it was going to be and everything. Has it happened? It hasn't happened. And me, I'm just aging people. And I'm sure a lot of people know that ine dalande chishinka. And in jofon danda, side samu kuchitika. Na ale landa, panny mouse, muku mwala andrepo, atam tiroku ikun kusha pachufuba. And me have no apology. Becauseam kide uku ikunku shakashubaba shimuamba. Didyaba sata fuila tue bat sipa ni chava yam. Ganifosweba upokowa kuchipatawa kuchipata bala yufu no kuyun. Bala landa twa dia ka mulandu. Simply meaning, i dia patinangwayo naula. Mause tare posa kona manuka niwa kuwa pa gweba publicly so. Nde wake shapu. Bashimuam, ba you know very well that me, I started when mouse did that, it was after I came out of prison. Now, Land I sang to won shati. Avantabale won. Sometimes when I was saying that.

SPEAKER_27 1:17:43

No, you are been very consistent on that from 2025.

SPEAKER_26 1:17:50

So no, but negotiate. If mouse wanted to negotiate, as you rightly said, he was part of the process. But musadide as SG. Which I was myself, I think for over four years. Aya pea bachitaruchiya. Wantunangu varera and that's true for kuba confuse. Tuleba confused. Use a kwe namwe baantunangutamuloisia. Awa isbach tanu chirufia. Awa hide anika pachubakura, pakasuba kuradi yaba you pnji. Can you doubt? Can you doubt that? And ask yourself, why isabinga quiet? This is all looking like it's planned, but as I conclude, I can assure you, fida fini. And I'm repeating again, baka indenga waka wina. Isido sa na su minisha. But the way I'm seeing things, people are quiet. And when people are speaking passionately so, E Linda Abengi Banto Wata. I can assure you a lach time age. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_27 1:19:46

Thank you, Mayo. Thank you. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:55

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:20:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:11

Umbassador. In a first station, President Makeb Zoro. Number Mukwa Kuringa Chibiri. Nakambiwalian Kevatu, Makeb Zorun David. Mamundure Taveni. Why is one of PF for Kwa Fuma? Nasty A PF or Bali Lista. Why is one of thin to Achia? So take Suma. But we revele a comwa to say. Mamunduvi remarks Pani, Uma range to e Kuro. PFama structures country wide. No Kurani Mama Fair PF. No Kurosha Pamako, I have a mouseampa. Mama case, PFaka. Fiona Zamapakaku. If you feel like a percent unit, no bagana kuvana. Washing to equal problems Iangi. Pakatika PF. But Vakuya, no problem with the unit. Mabu to Kira, a master. Mobutukira, as a PF, as a PF master. I want to PF one to a bashovas at the bash. More the four Kung Concern. Pfizer and Tungushma Kepy, my child. So make it share with PF. But in the Mice, you must have PF. Up structures, Mm. I tell Mokomato. Opposition parties MD shell. Cheer is change. Because the PF was which means Zambia is the only largest opposition party. So hypocrisy. Ambassador Kanyana Conference. Cyber rights. Because one Zambia or a poker democrats. Because my society.

SPEAKER_27 1:24:16

So it's my wafula. Alocora, please tell us your name. Tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Anonymous, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_13 1:24:48

Yes. Umba, my contribution is that uh why um is it so difficult? This question is going to um Mundo Vile. Why is it so difficult for him to let go of the PF? To let go of uh the PF structures. He has chosen FDD. FDDs have got their own structures. Okay. And then Naisa Kulu Bachitalu Chirufia. Watchita Lu Chirufia is a learned man, but he has no shame. Sorry to say so to an older man. Vachitalu Chirufia Balia ikala ba sumina ukuyaku and non-party conversion in abamakebi. Ba lusa, ba pisho kulusa, he goes and accept. He goes and accepts the invitation by mouse by mouse samba. And now, if the FNFT baangona, bayaku koti baba pera in another injunction, nile saw on so yao levalopola. Mile saw ya on so levaropola. Because mouse samba did not mouse samba, he withdrew from standing as a president. Okay, when he withdrew to stand as a president, automatically the patriotic front wasn't going to have a candidate. No mbave na baya send a bachita luchirufia, baya babika to have a candidate so that the party can go complete mumin whenever you pnd. Because even bangona, if there wasn't anyone who had paid in the name of patriotic front, bangona, they were going to be advised by their sponsors, their their sponsors to say, ah, well, there's no need of PFA because the walipida they are not going to be on the barrow. They just want to be bringing confusions where they are not supposed to be confusions. It is very much unfair, and God will continue, God will continue punishing them.

SPEAKER_27 1:27:02

Okay, thank you very much. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_25 1:27:09

Uh, good evening, Mr. Mamba.

SPEAKER_27 1:27:11

Good evening.

SPEAKER_25 1:27:13

Okay, good. Mamwamba, first of all, inena ala kuba mao sampa na ba chita mchirufia. Aba ba di kuitama plan. Mwama sampa, eo ale tama proble mu PFu. Mama mao sampa chya bi nga muna. Bea kabe ka mwa mw chita le sala le sala chita expose aba bifi. Ala ba so kolo loku ale tafe pabu edu mwebantu mwala i mwena fiu. Apa, mi lesa ale tua faba mwamba. Lesa na turuira. Ale wa fetimu tu pondotunga tu video salaba, tuwa ba tutatu. Uu to sampo you. Uwwa. About it. Expos the fee. Amaka didn't chat the twenty-five. Amaka twenty five. Yambiam independent for chicken finished. You won't be a self bamba. Now Makuruku on someone yes, but that's why Bamikonkela Bamikonka Badi Sivati Uny big brainy think tanky. In a kubika think tanky pantuffia mulanda, the mwa tue mwa tuba atra tola mu five wamwamba. Natasha, bellatuswam brani, if we pa ground to the wino. Intactus. Tap teti. Winta di toa fumalaikosa.

SPEAKER_27 1:30:22

Mwiruwa palast mwiluwa. Thank you, my dear sister Didi from Mundola. Thank you very much. Alo Kola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_23 1:30:34

Alo ma new manuel deadola.

SPEAKER_27 1:30:38

Well, Mashina from Mundola, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_23 1:30:46

I am my reaction about PA from my members. Because if you say if you might get a bachida, you know, the refuge. A barrier by UP So in a good one. We should have my party with party must be up many. Party party must have support you so to Lama Party, but Madame Pf a support UPND, but you have a party and support. But Mako must have a party supporting UPND. Karabafata design PF Kanaba IF directly quite my direction. Party, but if not for me, we're going down to my four to support Iswati. Two money for to Alainda. Two money for to Nava Musicumbo Navanasha. Don't buy finger Tombogaton, to Parisu. If we have a PFC Wati, Nan PNG again.

SPEAKER_27 1:32:22

Thank you very much. Thank you. I've got two more callers waiting. Let's start with this one. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:30

Um good evening, uh Ambassador. Uh my name is Consent Citizen.

SPEAKER_27 1:32:34

Consent Citizen, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:38

Yes, um, thank you very much for um your your very uh insightful analysis with regards to the challenges that we're facing. My view, however, um perhaps I'm a bit naive, uh, is a sense of optimism. And the sense of optimism that we have is a sense of disaffection that people have. This disaffection is what the combined opposition leaders or oppositions need to really focus on, really need to ignite. Because the matter is that if we ensure it is a mind turning out. If we insure that in our constituencies, we we we we we are not even getting out the vote. I do not see UPN um the line at the first one voting. Not if we ensure that we we cannot. Which then gives us an opportunity in like looking at uh what can become a battle like this, what can be in the um uh what's not the democracy. But if the opposition uh with this one thing, listen vote, what the candidate of your case, but the one the one candidate that we cannot vote for is um the one party you cannot vote vote for is UPND. Believe you me, it will certain itself out to be one or two uh candidates that will be ahead. And these these these are the guys who in the next year, though, must make sensible decisions in terms of making alliances and uh putting putting forwarding in a new government. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_27 1:34:38

Thank you, thank you. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution, ambassador. Mkwai, m qua. Is that what from Italy?

SPEAKER_16 1:34:55

Yes, uh Italian Ilande Tulanda mm chibemba muchi sunko na mmuchi Italian.

SPEAKER_27 1:35:08

We can translate Google translate. Make your contribution, my brother.

SPEAKER_16 1:35:16

Uh Ambassador, uh my contribution is uh actually I want to learn from you and I want to concern because if we have to be ambassador patriotic front loyalty, I go first it's it's to the nation, meaning the citizens. But uh pandemonika in an initial remember it was in June. When I was there, I PF Secretary, the book of condolences. That time, the Council Makebi was still in South Africa, and I think he had not uh shown interest to run. So ishinade um PF Secretary to Niva Munguide. So this time according to intelligence, front, Akadim Bushakalanda Shani Chinja kuya wind, of change makebizu, makebi and mungu shiny. Because if we have to be serious, really, to grab power and to the reputation here. I think all these forces they need to work together. But in an sharewapo, when I was there in June, Kuzambia uh last year, I can bush a kari on site. Now, then the paribamundu vide, none of those avantumabu bambi shall be the question. Avant varia naniva munduvide, then you muse koyabo people like you, Shansha and Avan Travas and Avan Toma Shai Shwomino Machine. So now safokushako. So according to intelligence patriotic front, Avantu the nation which the party is loyal to.

SPEAKER_27 1:37:21

Because it came abo, meafuekwe politics. Mula konkama politics, indeed, like you are putting it. I think Mundilo was one of those front runners that even he had predicted that it was one of the front runners. Um we're supposed to have general conference. It was postponed to three times. There were issues, regulations around the running of that conference that saw the expulsion of our national chairperson, um Pakata Emmanuel, and our Secretary General. Uh Acting Secretary General Brenda Yarenda and three other senior people were removed from their position. And before long, then we saw that Thomas Alan removed PFN by giving a window. And the party issued the directive to come to the line. They did come to the line, it became a breakaway from the PF. And the PF then began to move until it held the general conference at which it elected Makebizolo as its leader. But I would like to agree with you. I would like to agree with you. That has been difficult. So when I tell you, as mafia's mresh display ignorance, naika in a ignorance. If there's anyone who follows PF matters, it is you.

SPEAKER_16 1:39:28

I have my own opinion, Ambassador, of which you are aware, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_27 1:39:33

Tell me your opinion, tell me your opinion. Yeah, tell me your opinion. That's what matters. Unless you are saying you were you are presenting a scenario like you are not PF and you want an answer and you want people to benefit from the answer, unless that was the purpose.

SPEAKER_16 1:39:58

Then Valeranda, okay, is this international in the country? One, two, three, but they have a hundred things to point out, but then who will come and uh sort them out? These people can't even sort their own internal issues. So we like push an my very own pandemic who knows these things deeply, you know, the ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:40:20

So the wish by the wish by all colours, by all Zambians, is that the opposition must come together. The wish is that first you the PF Mal Sampa Makebizulu Brand Mundu they should come together because they all draw their strength from the PF. You know, and then to the opposition, because the PF in this disintegrated way, it destabilizes the opposition. Then they should go to Harikalama, they should go to Fred Memba, they should go to KBF, they should go to the other leaders and see how they then they can come together. What appear one candidate? That's been the cry of Zambia that the PF should unite, then the PF should help unite the opposition. And I think that was the focus of uh uh President Lungu. That's why we formed UK, that's why we formed Tonse, you know, that's why now there is Pamose Alliance. It was the same issue that has never departed. The PF must unite in light of its attack by President Akainde Ich Lema, it must be united, then it must unite the opposition, and together they must deliver one candidate. Thank you very much. Thank you. Who's calling?

SPEAKER_20 1:41:51

This is one Angela calling from Senanga, Western Province. So Abu Bakufi Tema Tabate Muffima Zambian. So Nambuin, Tapiko in Tia, and the Nambubaka minapari or ticket, Abu Cookinek join, backup now. Away. Never to be kamapuku money, Ama Tamarita's de ma kiwa munduvi shari. So that to pang e chakosa. Pantu is that I naive. When I le samukua fruit shapantu, utu shotwa pitamu, nabu freshapantu, amikubi makebi mapi. Pange chakosa. Is itin to chambuka. Mamba pinderanda tiko is in province monapiso muroka made tofiava. Pop groundi. Nan vi pamati umati made bakani psi no twa peri. Bale poteni shan mammon. So it can be unitary for a kaposi. If ofena pe if by manapifia papa monatio mama chafron out the mona, short time upona daway, na shiny junction. If I shot to be four need abandon, venga to a bandansh, aba we ne babiri. Bama ke bina munduvi. We care panchi, not to shop him up. Quena is a muku a la to ru because doom government. Nai foodish a pantaktua panche. Because uh pitria padya perfect of thank you, my dear sister.

SPEAKER_27 1:44:24

Indeed. Another one posted that they saw the rally that um President Akaindechi margin calabo, and they were saying, look at the buses and trucks at the back. You can see that those people were transported because of the the the transport you could see at the back. I don't call her please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_15 1:44:45

Baamwamba mwabumbe. Bamwamba defokumitasha Kabili Ichuamba Jikila kimwamina muni alana kamwamina ba mutana kaimwe, you have to continue to guide the nation. Nok sta educate all of us. If we fashitamu chalochesu. Lesomuine akamila umbula. Bamwamba kuli issui me gamwai konkasana pa international fola. Tabechi we flexi ka the international organization and international community. Tabeshi we challenge the our government to counsel the the conference which was supposed to be held by the Zamian government. Tabeshi we win a win of 5. Number, now some bookalambasana, challenge government years the council, the conference on the digital and human rights. And on these things, we have got a lot of organizations in Mozambia, human rights, non-government organization, the church and other things that are very quiet. They don't want to ask the government to explain the government alive on the decision of says, okay, Twalasta postponed, so I mean a challenge, because the international community on Mayasta Nabama platform, they are so confused they don't understand what is happening in Zambia. Zambia has been celebrated as one of the Pan-African avantwatching human rights and other things. We are almost the pioneer of democracy in the static region. So many countries and international community don't understand. And I'm so worried about organization and prominent figures and institutions that haven't asked the government, is it because whatever is being talked about in the international media to Zambia, it was influenced by China. Zambia was influenced by because of identified the Chinese parents and other things. Zambia was told not to go to accept the participation of the Taiwan and other things. So as government has got a lot of things to explain to the to the people of Zambia. That's one. Number two, I was doing a bit of calculation or to survey. When you look about this election, we have got about 226 MP, 113 mayor and counselors and the council chairperson. We have got 1,800 and something counsellors. If you calculate on these figures, just on the nomination fee on itself, even to mobilize the people to escort these people to file in denomination, it talks about 27 to 7 million Zamian Kwacha. Now, political parties and all these other zone. Sorry to take you back in 2021. Wa KBF went to the analysis with the UPND. These are the just new political parties. Now, Gamwa alone, political party, capacity. I want to remind the Zambian people when MMD formed a movement in 1999. Most of the people, our Awa limo, the wa presentation material, but you won't sew Ali sumino kwea imina wempi and be part of the process. Ukui tuasko wike. Owa ma zambia nibabe tio kweba imwe kale ni pamu mwombe cha pamu. Chimi. Na papasan, wa makebi, na mundubile, their brothers and they are so very close brothers and friends. Awantuwa ishive from 1991. Officebi, eko ba mundubile wale sangua ba andisha nya wale umfuana up to twenty twenty-five. Numba pali you know istafe shoopafe. Kuti visa friends, very close friends. Avantu emiwe po with makebi and the brand munduwile, they are so very close friends. Even ba kefnua lawyer, also they are close friends. Ba ba ba membiwa lawyer ba kalaba won't each a shoe perfect because tabaku e take capacity ba mwamba 1920 zero six ba satecha lengeba losama election kulimwanawasa tabakwa nishe ukusta field ama candidates in all the constituencieshle winama my election in twenty eleven after complete ukusta feature a candidates in all the constituencies. Even president H who is now current Republican president for the time he has been losing election. So it's still a eminat avaantwa mwamba. Presidential election, take women. It has got the package. Starting from the award, the counselor is a presidential campaign. Maisa Pali Mayor is a presidential campaign manager. Ma isa kuriya mbiusa campaign president. So nanga male imunokwe new chite, kuti na emila mazambeni, bakam vote la. But the postama zamben. That's why mumwene na matifection kubien naya kura because amazambian wae shokulanda. Yes. Ma mundiwa ništa invite ama political party, kutiwa wombi le pamo. When a ma mundumile the the platform ma won veseteali wino. But resistance ifamba. What is important is a concept. Umuntu o Amazonia and westre said, oh, the pogoma tituwa musapotani na ni echipo shirua tali patu of the mmd, the person who was supposed to be the president, was atawina. And I'm very grateful to the late, to one of the noblemen of this country, was kotawina. Watawe, umuntu winda wina, kawunda pali inu ishta. Nyu Bonseva Manu Kasone va musapota. Asipimo bamusapota. Amfrimba ba musapota. Edwa de shamana ba musapota. Ba andrukashita ba musapota. Bon sapantuba manawasa wa musapota, musapota. Is how MMD won the election against Kaunda. If you finish tika musan be fi, tachue. That's why even the some of the prophets awantuba kwa le Swananda is too much confusion. Kuma opposita flech tika twish the white na tatwish. That's why that's just trying to create confusion. They're not giving direction to the Zambian people. I submit.

SPEAKER_27 1:54:19

Thank you very much. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:54:27

Hello, uh.

SPEAKER_27 1:54:29

Yes, caller.

SPEAKER_21 1:54:32

Yes, uh in Zambia.

SPEAKER_27 1:54:39

Anonymous make your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:54:43

Uh Yambi Yambi, Mutina Uditan Dizira Kuria Amakola Zwaminiwa Makondu Kamba Pali Awantwatatu, Paliwa Branuwa Brandi Munduire, Makebizuru, Naba um Um Pali Avina wa umikalawa. Songatwa platform Papu na mungamine akamba avantwatatu, mipim papa ymu kuti muziwa uza uti wasakamba chite kuti sali pwim a koma avantwaba. So goro kwa zangala pamuzi, awan kwa palinta wipam mingala tu chifu kwa bauda mingala mini i palino taimu, uti bakankaneku yempekizakwan sadioku, de kutizi tu zingavute uma, avan kalipa mingalato. Funi mingalato, pamingalato. So kufunikakuma tali zil mungaku pletuji kapizga mkakam baza makebizu uha usa bamaki makebizu sali pwinu iza bantu, bazabu izana, sobi pa ypikama pa uniti unity uniti abpasobu, bazakapamo so mingalato. Mungga bazak pamina makampi mingi piti mingalato. So nawa bali pamingalato. So planim munku salibuno ah, inimkona panga, pamene ba plan mundul sona choke mu matibaza ba mamembaza piv panisona choke. Bana dipa moskindo kuka bunobu topikiaka eno mbakaba plan munduri banao na kuti wwameneba enda madezia chipa, andawa kubi kachiti nchisawa plan mundule kutiba choke. So funa kuchoka plan mundwini ya umakona madez kuti ya chyo ya chipa, that's why plan munduri banacho kamti waminiti wamen ni ona kusi kuri buino banacho kam. So awana salawa ndiakuna boka pizga manje kutiba makebizuwa peze kuti aszipa mozi president. Maji yanganani, kuli awa wami wana salawa.

SPEAKER_27 1:56:46

Kodi kuri m oh sorry, I've got more callers waiting. Sorry, the lana has dropped. You can call back if you haven't uh uh if you haven't uh finished your thoughts. Hello caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:35

Chicago, USA.

SPEAKER_27 1:57:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:44

Nobody knows it. I know your mouth samper you are all by Sam. So I'm too much of an encouragement, but one safe.

SPEAKER_27 1:59:21

Thank you, thank you. Hello, caller, please tell us your name where and where you're calling us from. Give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_19 1:59:32

This is the from Livingston.

SPEAKER_27 1:59:34

Make your contributions.

SPEAKER_19 2:00:03

If you remember Queen Victoria, she became a queen at a very tender age. And she ruled one of the greatest countries in the world. So uh when you look at Kawunda, take an 40 years. So I can give a lot of examples. But Makebizulu ascending PF. It's not that he forced his way. He won through the barrow. And he won by 49.2%. Surpassing one of the uh heavyweights. He was more experienced and he had everything. But he he lost to Makebizuru. Pashta Ufunumbiava Mausam, but I'm not lost. So for Makebizuru, I think he for me it's a divine intervention. And uh will of the people. So now, you can move to this is a very big concern which has been highlighted by a lot of people. In a way, I am right now in Livingstone. What I've noted is that I'm a structures. They have not been. I said I'm a supervisors, among structures. These are the district, the constituency, and the province. They haven't been visiting the words on the ground. So most of the words, this is where we are, this is where actually for me, what I've noted is that in terms of unlocking candidates. So Uwafi Pama Zbakovtilati. They are not sure who the U are we in the presidential candidate? Who is the presidential candidate for PF Wa Win in a convention? So Balanda Kovukti Iba Mundu Zuru. So there's a l and and you and and and most of these guys who are bringing these convictions. It is the officials at district levels throughout the country, if I may say so. Abama officials are district. They they the these are people mostly won't say, but most of these guys are double egg. But district. So what is needed now is that I want to shinka through the visitations from the constituencies. So if all the constituencies today are PFU on say in Zambia, if they can get down to visit their wards and explain to them if the presidential candidate is, PFOlians, that information is going to sink easily on the ground because PFAT is an anchor party. Okay. The convention that we just held recently had attracted 111 districts who participated. Tell me which political party has got presence in 111 districts. So this is where people should look at Makebizuru, not as Makebizuru, but Makebizuru as representing the institution. And this institution is PF. Where you Ambassador Mwamba, you are part of the structure. So with your vast experience in politics and public affairs, when you are there, because you'll be there to advise. And from what I've seen, this is a gentleman who gets a lot of advice before he makes a decision. So our position, PFO already has demonstrated that it's an anchor party. So what we are just supposed to do is if I feel accepting, you can't do it. So let us write the structures here, PFU, to do what is to disseminate information and campaign for ourselves. And this is why I'm also saying that right now, Shishon Tunguru Shishuma structures, funding committee. I don't know now. So all say Nangika Ten Kwa Chakwiti. These elections, Bamwamba, we have to fund them ourselves as Zambians, so that to cover to cover food, especially when a candidate is sponsored by outside forces. For me, if we really want to do change, is that twitch sponsor we come elections. Then the other thing Bamwamba, what I want to battu. Now chef for Mini Munankant. Yet I've said PF Mutonse Alliance. Well, Mr. Munduvire is one of the people who sat to draft the PF constitution. Where PFU was not going to be fired by anybody. But Vamundure went against the const his own constitution. He argued his own constitution. So how do you trust Vamundure if he cannot honor his own constitution? So when we are looking at leadership for going forward, a tref leadership a man. So for me, Bamundure, I can call him a sellout. And he uh he has shown that his own personal desires are greater than that of the nation. So for me, out. When I come to me number two, he got 35%. And Wachuru recently was in Umanari PND. Why is it so difficult for Wachuru Chitaruchulufia to support Makebizuru, the one who won? In the same party. And these are the results that are coming out of Amano Abba Mao Sampa. Mao Sampa has betrayed the party three times from 2014, 2021, and 2026. It was not true. Therefore, I'm not a legitimate president of the PF. He agreed through the consent. But here is Mao Sampa. Mao Sampa, if you have Garungu, Aka Loktaona, Nava Edgarung Tatura Shika. So Mao Sampa and these people that he's working with, these are sellouts. Let them let us discard them and let's not even call them for unity anymore. They don't want to unite. They know the truth. Why can't they follow the truth? So Vamwamba, the only legitimate muntua ish through a barot. But Edgarungu, before becoming a presidential candidate in 2014, he 2021. He went he won through the convention. Now, that's how people come to presidency in PF is through the convention. And that's how Makebizuru became the president of PF. So, but what I can say that Amastructures, Veshw Shinka, Wamunduvire, these are sellouts. TN2 Bizuru. Thank you, Mamum.

SPEAKER_27 2:10:07

Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution. Yes, Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Nameless, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_12 2:10:26

Yes, Bamwamba. Yeah, you sound so exhausted, but your exhaustion is actually helping. Yeah, we are all exhausted, Bamwamba. Yeah. Well, I just want to get uh to the point without diverting. Yeah. Here the situation, Mr. Ambassador, from what you have highlighted initially, it tells everything to let a Zambian who is willing to step out of any problem know that the hope of getting better is diminishing. Yeah. In Abamamba, unity has been topped and topped for some time now. Still the leaders seem to have a deaf ear. We don't know, maybe it's a strategy. Yeah, because of course it's not like they can come up and tell us everything. But I I just hope that they are not uh keeping a deaf ear. You know, if leaders aren't going to step ahead and unite, chances will be skipped because of lack of time. Yeah. You know, to conclude, because I just want to be brief, because everything has been talked at. We are always talking about the same thing. Yeah. I'm appealing to all of them to reflect and come up with a concrete. Uh I mean solution because uh we could see that uh we are facing yeah something which is not going to help any Zambian.

SPEAKER_27 2:12:16

Thank you, Maya. Thank you, Maya. We'll be taking the last calls, and I'll take the last five calls and I'm counting. This is one. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_21 2:12:42

And the son, so gamba i nezokamba ichi kuti ba PFU, pa meni wanna na convention naba makedi zuru, kunali tem sokonezo, afterba plan mundu kam, sokonesuya, after makedi zulu awi nam sokonizo wa kuenera. So manje tizi fusekuna, kuti manje pamene plan mundu kamati fala te puna kuenda kuta, foti bekabekama mp ekunum, bakala foti na konvention foot kwakala msokonezo. Mange amene alwoi papanida tizi fusa manje kunu manje tegate amena we pandida so twansa kuti manje alwa mina convention ekunu name vestibali pwino. Makete zulu anasan ki no kuti ni pamozi pamonzi alas presti. Mange kopila foti mouse sampa. Mouse sampa na eve, apaswamape pas goti ni pati present wa piefu. So manje nangamakete zuamene azamatenga zama tenga kuti ma kuti mouse sampa, anamape zagamati wa piefu. Mange ngamakebizu bali bati. So, ime, kufunakuti facilite na koti mouze mantu kutipa tina piefu piefu si za pezga papalti pepa. Nengoze mze makamba poti piefu ismat possiboti kapi papaluti pepa. So kufunika msangam sangga kuza mantukoti ima piefu. Kenti nde kwakuti mantmafuna change prakticha matifuna change. Kumbu kumbuyo, mafuna change. So manje, bamene imamuza uza mant kuti, kentin de kwapu kambakuti pfus is a peza papaloti skifu na kuta imuye pfizapezga papaloti, u mofu sampa musii ni na na na na mina pasazi party presentia p foram.

SPEAKER_27 2:14:32

Thank you, thank you, my brother. Thank you, thank you. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. And I am Rishani. But one face wangwaichakuadila power.

SPEAKER_09 2:14:58

Nava Nava is a m is by San Gale Pangeshira Money for Kwawuka. Is that we have pale chin to each other stretch. I die the end is I know we've shall even for having a Zambalefoy. So that's why Tulanat water when to have the land. Tumorchishi, I want to voy. One onto it, I can zoom. Navaikana Pamava Kalava, Avabi Shara Pambaikala. Avan Twalanda Vichin to what money went up within to Trianayu, Shadabi. So Chinika Chakovati can punch. Uh to Kula Multibalum, Palabape. I'm sure at one for you are so on Domunanko. I'm sure but it's the Gulanja. So Yagutira, Kali Panchi, Ogulanja Mut. Yagutira, my Rubapira, my Romanes, my Romanes, my Romanes. Two manipulator to Nenda. Oh, push a idea as mobile politics. Everyone politics.

SPEAKER_27 2:16:49

Thank you. Thank you, my dear brother from Chingola. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_11 2:16:57

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 2:16:59

Good evening.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:00

This is Dr. K from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_27 2:17:02

Dr. K, make your contribution, my brother.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:06

Ambassador, you can't imagine that I've been calling since the program started.

SPEAKER_27 2:17:11

I apologize. There are so many calls. I apologize.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:16

Because this is a very interesting program, and you have very, very important topics that we are discussing today. Thank you so much for the explanation that you provided. Indeed, um, we need to wear cap and um as Zambians, we are not blind. Indeed, my manual, uh, the MP or the parliament has failed us as the Zambian people, and uh we are praying that God is going to intervene and we are going to rise up to the occasion as the Zambian people and speak through that ballot. My manuel, we are very ready. We are very, very ready, we are resolute, we are in a resolute party, and we know that our candidate, Bakedizul, who is the legitimate candidate for Pathotic Front, will definitely emerge victorious. So we are praying and trusting that the grassroots are going to rise up to the occasion. So I just wanted to comment by Emmanuel over what transpired today, the temple of victory for um Mao Sampa. Indeed, um we know, I think the nation knows who the legitimate leader is for the Patriotic Front, and therefore there shouldn't be any confusion with who is the legitimate leader, and we know that is Makete Zulu. And um it is like they have a they have papers, but they do not have the structures, and therefore uh the structures will not even waste time to even look at what Miles has done the patriot or what has been done to the patriotic front. It's very, very unfortunate. And for Monsibile and all his maneuvers, I think the Zangan people are coming to realize what has been done, the deception that they have been in, and sooner than later, we shall see that um makebizoon will be all over. It will be a bushfire. Uh, once everything is cleared and you'll be on the ballot, it will be burning the book and be so my manuamba, I just want to thank that job that you are doing for us. You provide a platform where the Zagan people can talk because inside the it is very difficult to air out your your your issues uh because of this cyber laws, which should be repelled immediately when the new government is formed. Thank you so much by Manu Manu.

SPEAKER_27 2:19:47

Thank you very much. That's number two, caller. We go to number three, caller. Uh yes, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions. Rafael Chanda, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_06 2:22:43

That is very wrong.

SPEAKER_27 2:22:46

Thank you very much. Number three, Cola. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_22 2:22:56

Good evening, Mr. Mwamba.

SPEAKER_27 2:22:58

Good evening.

SPEAKER_22 2:23:01

Uh let me remain anonymous.

SPEAKER_27 2:23:03

Anonymous, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_22 2:23:07

Yes, uh, I thank you uh so much for giving me this opportunity, Mr. Mwamba, this evening. I think I compare also what uh the previous scholar has said, and uh the other part, Mr. Mwamba, that I can also comment on on my own, is that we have seen there are too many eagles in arena. I think there is no humility because bringing people our unite with others. And you narrowed uh uh a good number of uh presidential candidates who were hoped for that I think we choose one of them now even if our we can't join this one, we can't join this one when you see where they are. Why can't we go? For example, is there making also is there? Why do you think that they can not uh give these two guys to say you guys sit down? Vote for a stone because they are thinking that they are voted again. We are going to vote for a stone. Thank you, Mr. Mamma.

SPEAKER_27 2:24:40

Thank you very much. Number four caller let's pick your call so that we we close. We are taking the last cause, we are taking the last calls. I'm remaining with two calls. I apologize, there are so many of you that have been calling, but six minutes, seven minutes. You disenfranchise others, like the doctor from Osaka who said he had been trying from the minute I opened the phone lines and I could he couldn't go through. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Your second last caller. Caroline from East London, make your contribution.

unknown 2:25:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:51

Uh Bamba is winning before you're cool and to watch. If you land that we say Pamu, this is not even genuine because Abantu Badi Musala, Avantuba Musadi, Takwato. So Munto Twing Twingam, Zuluba Mam. Enough on Ningalanda.

SPEAKER_27 2:26:43

Thank you very much. My last caller here. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:23

Life background, which I was gonna wish you want to be to a lemon.

SPEAKER_27 2:27:55

Thank you very much. Thank you very much, and thank you for joining us on Sunday. We are going to have Makebizulu to come and answer to the various issues, matters regarding unity in the party, unity in the opposition is decision, the decision by PF uh Pamosi Alliance to pick um a special purpose vehicle in resolute party. What does it mean? And will he join forces with members of the opposition? What happened to what we saw? Uh Citizen First and Makebi Zulu Hari Kalava and Makebizolu. People are seeing the pictures and said they were talking. How far has it gone? Those would be the question to be answered by Makebizolu himself. There's been a call to unity for the opposition, and many the prominent leaders that have also commented on unity includes Harikalava, Dr. Fred Membe when he was here with Donika Banda, and uh Brad Munway also commented about the issue of unity when he was receiving the leadership from Warzah. We'll ask Mike on his role and that particular question on uh uh on the issue of uh unity of the opposition. We're discussing various issues, matters regarding the PF. They've been overtaken by events, another injunction has kicked in. So we couldn't go into details because the status quo then prevailed. But we'll allocate time to discuss to those matters. Then we discussed extensively the issues regarding attempts to bar strong candidates. They want to buy independents, they want to buy those that to be sponsored by political parties where they do not appear on the register at register of parties, but a letter will be written from the party to say this particular political party is sponsoring such a candidate. We know that it is a register of parties targeting such type of candidates, and they want to buy them. Zambia hold democratic, credible, transparent, free and fair election. That is a question that we pose every day. The issues around the human rights conference, the largest conference in the world that was cancelled by Zambia is a huge disservice to our people. Hotels were full, they had bookings for four or five days, there were technical teams that had arrived. This is an international conference. It was the first time it was going to be held in Southern Africa and Zambia. I don't know if they thought it's just a digital conference. They had no idea that it wasn't just a digital conference. It was human rights, a digital rights conference. That is the foot end of that conference. And it attracted the recent organization that has condemned President Aide Klama for passing cyber laws, narrowing democratic space, narrowing civic space, narrowing media space, exposing uh is uh violation of human rights institutions like the United Nations, uh Human Rights Council, like Human Rights Watch International, they were going to take center stage on this discussion. Government is trying to peddle the lie that this conference was about LGBT because I know how you feel about LGBT. Where were they when they approved it in 2023? When all the preparations have been done the last three years, today they just backed out and they just didn't back out, and that has damaged and dented the image of our country, but also deprived of our people, money, bookings and cancellations from car hire to hotels and to other pro service providers that were going to cater to these 2,000 delegates coming from across the country. It was a decision in violation. We may have a broadcast on Friday to discuss other things, but make a date on Sunday. We host Makebizolo after they've launched the resolute party as a special purpose vehicle for the PF Pamosi Alliance. Until then, God bless you, and we'll speak to you later.

SPEAKER_31 2:32:18

We want church! We want church! We want church! We want the church.