HOSTING HON. MOSES MAWERE

LIVENOW; WE HOST FORMER MINISTER OF SPORTS AND PRESIDENT OF EXODUS PARTY, MOSES MAWERE WHO HAS WITHDRAWN HIS PARTICIPATION IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND SUPPORTED THE CITIZEN FIRST ORANGE ALLIANCE LEADER, LEADER HARRY KALABA.

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SPEAKER_18 0:24

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SPEAKER_12 4:36

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SPEAKER_13 6:44

He was going because he is aware that he's Mazabuda because the other time Goodyear today is seventh May 2026, the day that the Lord has made, and we're back. We are back with uh various issues. Today I was not supposed to broadcast, but I thought we could hold an emergence broadcast for two reasons. Number one, there was a development by my dear brother um Moses Maweri, he's former minister of uh sports, you know, under the PF, and he formed his own political party, Exodus Party, and he made a dramatic announcement that he's withdrawing from the race, and that from this race he's going to support citizen face president Hari Kalaba. I thought that this is responding to the call by you Zambians, that the opposition must come together. The people that have paid should narrow down and see who else they can support among the candidates that have found. And I thought that that was um a remarkable development and a leadership action by Moses Mawere. I'm hosting him shortly, and you'll be joining us. Secondly, why I decided that we should hold this broadcast is for two other reasons. So the reasons are now three. Number two is that ECZ has released a calendar in which these presidential candidates that had paid the 100,000 quacha should now bring their 1,000 supporters. That's a major development. First of all, we are now beyond speculations. We know the 26 that paid the 100,000 quacha. And I thought that we could discuss it and have been given a calendar. The third issue is the rules around nominations that ECZ has issued. Are these valid? Are they within the law? We'll be discussing those three issues. Let me go to an issue before I bring my dear brother the Exodus Party leader, Honorable Mauele. I want to uh identify who are these 26 that paid, who are they? And I think we should know who they are. And uh I want to read that list to you before we invite Honorable Mawele. So who paid the hundred thousand Howard Kunda, Zambia Wake Up Party, Charles Chanda, United, Prosperous, and peaceful Zambia, the man with is always marketing emeralds, and he thinks we should invest a lot in emeralds. He thinks that uh we've missed an opportunity as a country not to exploit emeralds. Kelvin Fubebuaria, renowned Lusaka lawyer, Zambia must prosper. Brian Muntayalwa Munduwile here is listed as Forum for Democracy and Development. Although on the receipt he didn't disclose. We thought he had gone as independent, but ECZ here is disclosing that he's standing under Forum for Democracy and Development. And this is very important to what I want to discuss after this. Number five, given Muenya chance, given Muenya chance, movement for economic emancipation. Dr. Daniel Pule, Professor Daniel Pule of Christian Democratic Party, you know, former former uh deputy minister under Chulua's government, and he's been running various political parties before that. Harikalaba, citizen, first president, and is is is is got is also got an alliance called called uh Orange Alliance. Enoch Roosevelt Tonga, third liberation movement. You remember him in the ECZ, the man who refused to give up the microphone and challenged ECZ that he was going to speak anyway. Um Dr. Sebastian Copland is not listed. Again, this is very important. Remember, Dr. Sebastian Copland is the president of uh uh People's Party, and one of the issues we are discussing why they are disenfranchising candidates is Dr. Sebastian Copland is one of those victims where quickly an extraordinary conference was held and he was displaced as leader of the party, but he fouled in uh um Dr. Sebastian Copland. Then from Dr. Sebastian Coplandes' party, there is another one who was filed under that name. Uh Francis Mandona Mwape. He has filed under Dr. Sebastian Coplandes' party, and Dr. Copland is not listed. Then you have Cassonde C Mwenda. Uh colleagues put in the comments they released Casonde Si Mwenda. Remember, they arrested him and fairly that he issued an opinion that the president got lost in um in Chinzari. How is that even an offense? How is it even an offense? So put in the comment, let's understand. As my dear brother Kasonde Si Mwenda been released from Kawata Police Station over this charge they had put on him that he had misled the country, that the president got lost. He played a video that showed clearly the presidential convoy making reversals, going back and forth and making a U-turn. A presidential convoy never makes a U-turn, never reverses, you can never reverse the VIP. This is one of the typical small rules that are there, you know, for VIP protection. So we saw that convoy of the president reversing and back, reversing and making a U-turn. And Casondewenda, knowing something about statecraft, said the president was lost and he was not far from it. Dr. Chitalu Chilufia is he was mourning his young brother may saw rest. May Henry saw rest in eternal peace. He had found under the patriotic front. Again, that's an issue that we'll discuss later because it's affected by the notice that is it issue. Chanda Ebika Totowe, Patriots for Economic Progress. Um Kafla Muwang Muwanga, Development People's Party, Dr. Richard Silumbe, Leadership Movement Party. Dr. Fred Membe under Socialist Party. You know very well who socialist who Dr. Fred Membe is is also running. Like Brian is leading Tonsey Alliance. Makebizulu is leading Pamoszi Um Alliance, PF Pamosi Alliance. Dr. Fred Membe is also leading under Socialist Party, is leading the People's Um Pact, a large forum as well. Then my guest today, Moses Mawere, is also been listed ex Oda's party for peace and prosperity. He's also been given a date to uh file in and bring his 1,000 supporters. But because we are hosting him, he's going to tell us more about that dramatic and good decision that he made. We have Makebizulu under Resolute Party. Remember, the PF Pamosi Alliance picked Resolute Party as a special purpose vehicle, like they did with NDC, like they did with FDD. This time they picked Resolute Party. And Makebi Zulu had filed under Resolute Party. Given Katuta, Honorable Given Katuta, the independent MP from uh uh Chianghi, she's standing as an independent this was a surprise for me. I didn't see it coming, I had no idea. Xavier Franklin Chung under Liberal Democratic Party. The young people may not know who Xavier Franklin Chung, but this is a former director general of the intelligence. He's a well-renowned personality from the 90s. And you know, he he was one of those respected directors of intelligence, and he tried to demystify the intelligence because the intelligence lived under cloak and dagger in the shadows. We began for the first time to see in newspapers who the director general of the intelligence was. We began to see him hosting meetings and having end-of-year parties, something you never see and you've never seen. And of course, he was involved in those allegations with the late president Dr. Frederick Chilowa. So Xavier Franklin Chung, the former spy chief, is coming in under Liberal Democratic Party. Wheeler Joseph Mudolo, the man that is based in South Africa. There was a recent development about him that the you know he was co-charged with um uh uh uh uh Shepard Bushiri, him and his wife are co-charged. And the High Court ruled, the matter has been pending for the last almost six years. The High Court ruled that Willam Dolo should now begin to be prosecuted by the National Prosecution Authority of South Africa. That was the latest development last week. So is he able to come? Will he will they give him his passport? We don't know, but he has paid the 100,000 quacha. And his name is not listed to any whether he's an independent, it's not listed to any political party. Remember, he was appointed as a member of the central committee under the Mal Sampa faction. Then we have also this is a surprise candidate, but he's been moving quietly. Dr. Brian Mushimba, organized People's Party. This is a former minister of transport, uh uh, works and supply and energy. Is uh he was recent in the news running in dollar energy, you know, dollar energy can't be uh can't be sustained if in dollar uh if indic is shut because they use heavy fuels to process power. So there was during the COVID, I mean during the shutdown that we had, the power crisis we had, we saw Bran Mushimba, a major CEO of Indola Energy. But while uh the power shortage has gone, I think also it's extremely expensive to bring the heavy oils they use. But Indola Energy was set up next to Indani so that it can process the byproduct of processing fuel where heavy fuels, and it was using those heavy fuels to power. So I don't know the future of um Indola Energy. So here we see Dr. Brian Mushimba coming up under organized uh uh people's party, then Dr. Rituel Siamanene, former defense minister, new focus party, then Pastor Peter Chanda, new Congress Party, the former special purpose vehicle for the patriotic front. Then we have Bishop Trevor Mson Mwamba again. Here I've noticed that uh Bishop Trevor Msonda Muamba didn't disclose the party because remember, UNIP new Congress Party, FDD, these are embroiled in internal wrangles and they must have something to do with the registrar of society. What is the issue with the registrar of society? What did they say that has gotten worried that that has gotten me worried and summoned you to this broadcast? Remember, we've been talking about that ECZ is going to use the registrar of societies to bar certain candidates, and that they may not even allow independence. This is a narrative we've been running, and we've been we've been telling the opposition party to come on this because everything ECZ is doing must be based and located in the law. But some of the regulations they've put up are not anywhere in the law. Like this regulation they've put up, it's not supported by any law. But this is what they've said. The Electoral Commission of Zambia, of course, it let me go to the actual notice. This is a story. Let me just go to the actual notice that the schedule of the list above, the one I've read to you, the 26th, is a list of aspiring presidential candidates who have expressed interest to the commission. The commission has reflected these details as provided by the candidates, including the name of the sponsor in the political party. Remember, I said Bran Munduwile has not provided the name, but here it is listed as Forum for Democracy and Development. That's important why I have to say that. So they've said the commission has reflected these details as provided by the candidates, including the names of the sponsor and political party who are submitted by the candidates where they've been listed. This schedule doesn't in any way imply that the nominations have been validated by the commission. Validation of nominations will be conducted by the returning officer from Monday 18th to Friday 22nd, May 2026. And here is the most important one. Please note that during nominations, all aspiring candidates must present number one, an adoption certificate to the returning officer. Number two, the adoption certificate must be signed by both the president and the secretary general of the sponsoring political party. This is very important. Because remember, there are issues where the state is fighting political parties, and the names that appear on the registrar are not the names of the people that lead those parties or are intending to stand on those political parties. And this is what he says the adoption certificates must be signed by both the president and the secretary general of the sponsoring political party, as reflected in the record of registrar of societies. For example, the PF's records were unilaterally changed, illegally changed, and the leadership of the PF does not appear. The person who appears there is Robert Chabinga and Morgan Ingona. And of course, Mao Sampa is also there. So there they are saying the people signing, the president and the secretary general must appear on the records of registrar societies. Then this is what they say. Any letter signed by an individual whose name doesn't match the official records will result in the invalidation of the nomination papers. Any letter signed by an individual whose name doesn't appear on the official records of the Registral Society will result in the invalidation. Of the nomination process. Papers. Then, number four, candidates standing for president who are not the official heads where a political party, like in the case of Augustin Chandakatotobe, where he has been sponsored by Pep President Sean Temble. I'm just giving him as an example because it's a clear example I can think of. This is what he says. Any letter signed by an individual whose name doesn't match the official records that we have read. Candidates standing for the president who are not the official heads of their sponsoring political party must produce number one a confirmation letter signed by both the president and the secretary general, stating that they've been sponsored by the political party. These are the four items we brought you to discussion. One, we have Honorable Moses Maweli, who has made a very progressive uh mat, and I want to bring him in the studio. He's in the studio already. I want to bring him on. Number two, a list of presidential candidates has been released. Number three, uh, the rules that have been released by ECZ. And to my knowledge, these may not be founded in the law, especially that the electoral process bill, which they want to anchor some of these rules, has not been passed into law. But we know the speaker of the National Assembly is very determined, and she wants to make those candidates. I mean, those bills pass. Let me bring in Honorable Moses Mawele, my esteemed guest, and we hear how he's been doing. My dear brother, how are you?

SPEAKER_04 23:39

I'm good. How are you, my brother?

SPEAKER_13 23:41

How's golf mboya?

SPEAKER_04 23:45

Uh, golf is good. At least it keeps us healthy.

SPEAKER_13 23:50

Wonderful, it's wonderful. Honorable Moses Mawele, before we came to we come to the critical issues, just briefly tell us who Moses Mawere is.

SPEAKER_04 24:02

Uh, thank you, Ambassador Mamba. I'm sure uh most of the Zambian people are very familiar with this face. Moses Mauere is still a young man who aspired at a very tender age to become a leader of this country. After leaving the Zambian Swedish Farmers Union, I went into politics in Chipada Central. I aspired and I was able to emerge victorious in 2016. And by the grace of God, I was appointed Minister of Youth, Sports and Child Development under the leadership of His Excellency Eddie Gachwarung, may so rest in peace. Uh I served under him for three years, then I became a backbencher. Then in 2021, I never aspired. I'm sure you agree with me that I went mute for some time. I was busy reflecting on my next journey in my political career. Uh, with my colleagues, we sat down and we realized that there was need, our political journey was not yet over because we were still young and vibrant. And looking at the political landscape we had in Zambia at that time, we realized that we needed to embark on a journey where we need to form a political party. And we started this journey almost about three years ago. It took us more than more than one and a half years to register this political party, and eventually a certificate was issued to us. And I'm sure uh, Ambassador Mamba, you agree with me that as young as we were as a party, we went into Chiawama and we did very well. We are so proud of ourselves as a young political party.

SPEAKER_13 25:58

Honorable Maweli, Honorable Maw, I'm interested in the part where you formed a political party. You are one of the few political parties that were formed during this period of um the UPND. How long did it take you and what process did you go through?

SPEAKER_04 26:16

Uh thank you, Ambassador Mamba. Um, you see, there was a notion when UPND came into power that UPND won't allow any other political party to be formed under their regime. But of course, me who believes in the independence of the system, together with my colleagues, we said let's test the waters because we can't conclude without testing. So we went into it and it took us not less than one and a half years. Of course, what you do first, Mr. Mwamba is that Ambassador Mwamba is that you go and do the name clearance with the Registry of Society. Afterwards, you go to Electoral Commission of Zambia for the local clearance. From there, you go to police for fingerprints lifting, and then once you finish that process, you go back to it. Actually, you go to the to the local authority, which is the council, they need also to endorse on it because that's one of the requirements. Then eventually you go back to registral society where your documents are uploaded on the system, and eventually your papers, your registration is done. So, this process, Ambassador Mamba, it took us about almost one one and one year and six months.

SPEAKER_13 27:45

Yeah, that particular part was very important because we understand that um for independents, ECZ wants to use that as an excuse that it's difficult to clear names. For the people that are appearing on the register, they'll say we have it took six months, three months to clear them. So the independents we understand that ECZ wants to use that an excuse, but anyway, that's not for your narrative, that's for my narrative. So please continue. You participated in the Chawama by-election in your inaugural as a political party.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

Yeah, as a political party, because uh our belief was to ensure that we are in good standing with both the registral of society and also the electoral commission of Zambia. And indeed, uh we went to Chawama, of course, there were some hurdles which were overcome, and our party was put on a barrel of paper. I'm sure you saw it. But that process was very important for us, and also to register our presence in the political arena. So from there we embarked on a journey of mobilization, like I have indicated. Uh, I'm coming from the school, two schools actually. The school of Zambia National Farmers Union and the School of Michael Silvia Sata. So we believe in structures, and because of that, we had to go on it in all the 10 provinces and start establishing structures. As we speak right now, Ambassador Mamba, we are so comfortable that we have leadership in all the 10 provinces of this country. So, in short, that's what I'm gonna say about you.

SPEAKER_13 29:30

Yeah, you recently held a national conference. Uh, I don't know how you call it. Is it a national conference? Is it a national congress or is it a national meeting? I don't know how you call it in under your uh constitution, but it elected you as president and presidential candidates. Just speak about that briefly.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Thank you, uh Ambassador Mamba, our constitution is very progressive. One of the clauses we have in our constitution is that the party president shall not automatically be the presidential candidate. For you to be a presidential candidate, you need to be elected by what we call national delegates conference, and this is in line with our 2026 amended constitution, where the law demands that political parties should elect their candidates, and that is what we did, and that's what we saw. And from that process, I emerged as not only the party president but uh as the presidential candidate for Exodus Party for Peace and Prosperity. That's what you saw, and we were ready because the mandate that conference gave us was for us to prepare ourselves to participate on this year's general election.

SPEAKER_13 31:03

Um you've been you've been part of um you've been part of decisions of making an alliance. Like you are saying, your party, although they elected you, they said you are free to either stand as president or seek a presidential candidate who you can support. You have conducted a search survey and talks with the various uh leadership. How come you settled on Citizen First and Hari Kalawa and Hari Kalaba's orange uh alliance?

SPEAKER_04 31:42

Uh Ambassador Mamba, actually, this is a very interesting topic because, like I've indicated, that our party constitution is very progressive and it encourages synerges among political parties. And maybe the other thing which I need to mention is that from that delegates conference, we decided that we have our own alliance, which we call Exodus Alliance. And we have a number of political parties which have joined us. Now, there have been this call, a very loud call, Ambassador Mamba, that the Zambian people are saying, can we have a united opposition political party? Or can we have united opposition so that we don't divide votes going into this general election? As we are aware that the Zambian people they know who to remove, they are yet to decide who to bring in. So that call is very loud and clear, and ourselves would not avoid it. And we had a number of or series of meetings with other opposition political parties. And today we are here after a thorough consultation and so searched that we have concluded that, like you have mentioned, you were just reading the ECZ requirements. What I would want the Zambian people to realize is that every game has got rules. So you need to beat or you need to meet those rules for you to win the game. As long as you can't follow those rules, it is very difficult for you even to participate in that game. Now, these requirements to me, I feel they may not be strange to a political party like Exodus Party for Peace and Prosperity, which again we have come to realize that even Citizen First has equally done their homework. Maybe I'll be using that example because I'm coming from the farmers' union. We have leadership at that local level where a chairman of that cooperative should be a member of that cooperative in the first place and should be elected by the leaders of that cooperative. It's how you emerge as a leader. And of course, your your your existence should be recognized by the law. So us, yes, we would have done it in either way you would want to do it. But we said what does the examined constitution demand of us? That's why we took us took us one year, six months for us to register this political party. And I can assure you all those requirements which we have mentioned there. Exodus party qualifies 100%. I'm the party president of Exodus Party for Peace and Prosperity, and my name is before the Registral Society. Our Secretary General, whom we have right now, is still the same Secretary General who is with the Registral Society. So we don't have any ambiguity in our existence as a party. And we were very much ready to take up this journey of us participating in this generation. Of course, you have just read there that we managed to pay. We paid 100,000 quaches, meaning that we are ready for it. I've just told you that we have structures in all the 10 provinces. We have already mobilized our supporters in all those 10 provinces. We are equal to the task. But the most important thing is after successfully filing in our nomination, so what? We go and campaign as divided opposition political parties. It means that we won't answer the call of the Zambian people who are saying that we know which organization to remove, we are yet to know which organization to put in. And after doing the source search, we have realized that we can own the partner and support even an event that we need to support. We should support a political party which is in good standing with the Registral Society, which is also in good standing with ECZ. And from our source search, we have identified that citizen first is equal to the task. At the same time, if you look at the leadership of Citizen First, it's a leadership which to me, as Moses Mawere, I've worked very closely during the three years I was a cabinet minister. My brother Hari Karawa was a foreign affairs minister. And you see that position, Ambassador Mwamba, you who has been an ambassador, that position is very important and it brings a lot to a country like Zambia. Someone who has been exposed to that level, it is very easy to understand the governance system of the country and be able to govern it in a manner that will benefit the Zambian people. Time, Ambassador Mwamba, to experiment is over. And we can't experiment as a country. And myself, I have enough requisites to be president of this country. But today, with my colleagues in the Exodus Party for Peace and Prosperity, we have said anything short of what we offer ourselves, we are not ready to go for it. And we are seeing citizens faced with the leadership of Harikaraba to be the leadership which we can trust and which will make us as Zambians prosper this country. Because what we need, Ambassador Mwamba, is a leader who quickly transformed this country into a prosperous nation. Time to experiment is over. And if we experimented in the past, let's as Zambians avoid it going forward. Because we have just a few days. Next week we are doing the pre-processing in the provinces. The other week we do the action of the nation. There are a lot of uncertainties in other circles. And us as a party which wants to follow the law wouldn't want to find ourselves in that situation. So, Ambassador Mamba, this decision we made is a very well-thought decision, and we will never go back because we have interacted with all almost all the opposition political parties, almost all of them. And we know where they stand and where they are and what they're capable of doing. So maybe my appeal is yes, a number of us who have paid the 100,000 quacham. Let's not ask for any fund, but instead, let's study behind one leadership that will masturbate this country from the yokes of high cost of living and high poverty levels for our country.

SPEAKER_13 39:28

Indeed, what would be your advice to, like we've seen, is a 26, now 25, with you supporting your brother Harry Calabo? What would you say to other candidates? Um, it is they say the most difficult people to advise uh you know are the people in love and politicians. You politicians are very difficult to advise. But what advice would you give others to see if they collapse their personal ambition and look at a national ambition and identify a leader like you have? You've identified Harikalava. Others can do the same and identify not just Harikalava or any other leader, collapse their personal ambition and support. What advice would you give?

SPEAKER_04 40:15

Yeah, indeed, uh Ambassador Mwamba, it is very important for this country that we do what is right. Our time, each one of us we have got time, and the time which is there right now, it is the time which is ordained by God. And ourselves as Zambians, uh let's search within ourselves that as political, as opposition political parties, if we go it alone, are we able to bring the change the Zambian people want? If we are able, which other political parties can we join hands with so that we are able to deliver to the expectation of the Zambian people? So I want to encourage my brothers and sisters who are in these other opposition political parties to do their source within themselves and see whether if they go it alone they will yield the desired results. If they do, well and good, I wish them all the best. If not, they can easily join hands with us who have done the reading now. Because I know with my experience in politics, if you rate me, you realize that actually uh me and my party chance to gang up good numbers. But those good numbers we may gang up by us participating, will they be good enough to bring the changes that many people want? So I would want my brother and sisters, wherever they are, to do a source. I won't dictate where they should go, but of course, there is a need for us to streamline ourselves and be able to collapse ourselves into maybe one or two opposition political parties so that we are able to meet the desired goal by what the Zambian people want. So we have taken a lead as Exodus Party. It doesn't mean that we have any limitations, our Uguaro is very much intact. Uh our support is very much intact. We can easily go and raise those 1,000 supporters. We can meet any other requirements, but will that give us the desired result at the end of the day? I leave it to them.

SPEAKER_13 42:45

Matter Honorable Mawere, that seems to stand in the way. Are there negotiations for someone to drop their interest or personal ambition and support another? Uh, some want commitment that I'll be running made or I'll be minister. Uh have you made this decision in an unconditional manner? Or are there commitments that have been made to you? This is very important to the other candidates. Because I know you leaders in the opposition have been talking to each other. But one of the sticking issues is what is in need for me.

SPEAKER_04 43:19

Uh, indeed, conditions can be there, Ambassador Mamba. But you see, uh, if you talk of the issues of learning mate, that is a preserve of the presidential candidate to choose the learning mate he or she wants. Uh, for us as the supporting political parties to that core, yes, we can have an understanding. That understanding should be an understanding which does not put the anchor political party into a tight corner where, in an event that they form government, then they fail to govern this. So We need unconditional support. But of course, the country is big and the government is space is good enough for all of us in this world as opposition political party. So uh to us it is we feel that together our popularity and our citizen first uh we should be able to form government come past and from there we forge ahead. I don't think uh any mind if right person uh would forget the person who has helped so we we are going there with an understanding that we are giving season first unconditional uh support for now.

SPEAKER_13 44:51

Oh good. I I I think that's how it should be that you go to this you know alliance in an unconditional manner because when you go with conditions, I think that's what is um making these issues quite quite difficult. Um I'd like you to to make your remarks and just encourage uh all the other candidates. You went to Citizen First in an unconditional manner. I think that's admirable.

SPEAKER_04 45:28

Uh indeed. Uh and we want to hedge our colleagues. There are a number of them who who have seen there who are we who I know very well very closely. I would want to encourage them to say, please, either they can reach out to me through me or reach out to my brother Anikarama directly. I don't think my brother would be adamant to receive their cause.

SPEAKER_13 45:54

Okay, no, wonderful, wonderful. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be opening phone lines. Today is an emergence broadcast. If you have any thoughts about what ECZ is doing, I hold that some of the rules and regulations may not be founded in the law. And um if the political parties don't pay attention to what's happening, uh, we may see candidates blocked. And um, there's a persistent issue by Zambians that get together as the opposition party get together. You know, let me just go through a list of people that have paid the hundred thousand quachanda, been given a calendar to bring uh uh supporters. This is how it kunda, zambia mass wake up party, charles chanda, united prosperous and peaceful party, Kelvin Fuwewalia, Bran Muntaya, Lua Munduwile, Given Mwenya, Chansa, Professor Dr. Daniel Pule, Harikalaba, Enoch Roosevelt Chonga, Dr. Sebastian Copland, Francis Mandona Mwape, Casonde, C Mwenda, Dr. Chitalu Chrufia, Chanda E. B. Katotowe, Kafla Muwanga, Dr. Richard Silumbe, Dr. Fred Membe, Honorable Moses Mawere, who we are hosting today, Makebizulu, Given Katuta, Xavier Franklin Chungu, Wila Joseph Mdolo, Dr. Brian Mushimba, Dr. Richwell Siamnani, Pastor Peter Chanda, Bishop Trevor Msonda Mwamba, and President Hakainde Ichire. Those are your candidates. I can see already of course for Honorable Moses Mawere, or you can comment about what CZ is doing. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and uh give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_16 47:54

Thank you very much, ma'am.

SPEAKER_26 48:02

But you can trust the expertise one position of joining because I think in good standing with Easy Z and good standing with the Registral Society, which will do a position.

SPEAKER_04 48:38

A bandwidth and you are prison opposition. Because we are very useful to this issue. Just tell the people directly in Kalabahari and Citizen Christ. If you shouldn't say, you know what will happen, Mamma. Once, for example, reject the amount, meaning all the candidates are given a ref, it's why rejected M MP. I'm a council, I'm a council champion. This is the call for the unity of all the opposition political parties. We give you respect, and watching the moment information, you have accurate. You are one of them. And if you do a land that to the land of you, to learn the paper, Chipusuk, Milo. If you to Landamund, Bamaketi Babuch Paris Convention Bamba, Bamosi, Alliance, to Amorti Church, Panware Shina Shannon. Arabambaya Mangaro Tiasuma. Just tell the people the truth.

SPEAKER_13 50:48

Thank you very much. A guide to our members. Let's not disparage any other candidate, but let's support whichever candidates. Because here on this program we are encouraging all of them to come together. Thank you for those thoughts. But uh, those are have always been the guidelines. Let's not disparage any other, but let us um uh let us uh be respectful to the other candidates because you know we are encouraging them to work together. Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Um, we will move our position. Thank you very much. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution. Uh let me put you on speaker. Yes, good evening.

SPEAKER_04 52:51

My name is Hendrix Your Excellency, calling from Lusaka. We know your excellency my womb. I think that is a very good example that the uh opposition political leaders should follow. But your excellency, I want to make a very good um uh point here that um let's have a strategy as opposition political uh uh parties, especially my president's. You know, some of these things we have to set up a public, I think.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Let's have a meeting as the opposition political party leaders.

SPEAKER_07 53:49

Okay, meet in private.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

I agree with President Fred Mende. What he said to say, if you want us to come together, don't go publicly.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

Because you know the government you're working with, you know the government we have now, do it privately.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

Let's have one presidential candidate who be successful, who will be on the barrel, regardless of the mingala to show this is it walacha, waracha, waracha, but candidates who are not a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

Not media, no, it's any your excellency, and it's not about it's any more. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

It's to work together to bring people together to work together, not to go about no it's anyone joining a political party, and what political party noti president pre presidency important uh is to say come, we work together.

SPEAKER_04 54:59

We you work together as a team. So in a channel, please let's come up with a strategy. We know you are doing something, and we are encouraging you to continue doing that, but please, for now, the strategy should not be known.

SPEAKER_13 55:18

Indeed, indeed, like we just saw the results to Amunafewa Mawele Wala and that means there have been discussions, that means you've been meeting. You are right there, Cola, where you are saying it's important that we just see the results, not very kumanafe the first time we are seeing only pictures. Hello, cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_26 55:42

Hello, this is Golf of Locks.

SPEAKER_13 55:46

Make your contribution, my dear sister.

SPEAKER_09 57:16

I'm not a coffee for you. Not with Tania for King, then Gala Mommy Shi, no quantum punching a Maka Sophaniana compiliquonse. But Moelle Kong President Evil, my opposition boss and we were canicate to revision upon a Paku Leka. Bonwella Kumaka Patiba Mumula suggestion to a land upleka.

unknown 58:09

Thank you.

SPEAKER_13 58:10

Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. And some quayman bipedo. Oh, honourable Mumbai Piri Basha Nik Chongwe.

SPEAKER_07 58:33

Mbuya wandi, congratulations. In fact, I call you my son, you're not my mboya, because I'm married to your father. Congratulations for doing a right thing. Allah, they can only be one president at one go. Inenga ne wa pita mumriya alliances. Na Lala and Defoeya Fidique, P N D. Bashimwam, but it's because there were some people who were positioning to be vice president. They frustrated that process. Did the the people who are positioning themselves, especially to be vice president to Asata?

unknown 59:24

Did that happen?

SPEAKER_13 59:26

Oh, the alliance between UPND and PF in 2010. Yes. M Kwa M Kwa.

SPEAKER_07 59:32

You know, they didn't even become leadership. Kalabantunga ba istapiswegi. Balechtapisweki mudeva pere in Dalama. Na mushba tu inoshta kuriavantu warech ta pisu eki. Ukubate la ubunga pambali. Ichalo pochfiki. Yonde, you can cry. Ich vi pira kuriayama alliances. Ifwa fweba shungul we ke intuungulushifuvengi. We have our personal interests. Some of these alliances, you can't believe Bamwambao, you know. Bad if terana positions, they know is going to be Minister of Defense, who is going to be Minister of Foreign Affairs, who is going to be home affairs. They even know they have given themselves Nabakaya m foreign service. No, by nature, nj push a chakwebat. And forfuebe nefueva isungira. Na ngule sewa tusungiro wa ishiva mairo. Why should our personal then be above the sufferings of the people? Bashimu mbaino ishita, utuba na turi kuskuru ture pitana mavala turefu ayama pisu eki. Ukuwa free education. Elo no mba tu e chita concentrate. Pash pasi shiri de tutuala dangu kumu. Andifu fueva lechtefi. Fweva mutu e shanama z eight. Abapa jaru nem vem. Na ngufia uyumuntu nga pita. Obonseva de tina mushi ru mburua. Tuka konkanya ponokulashtafiwo mete. Do we have? Are we truly Christians? Because the Bible says, Ila ve we mwine. Wa diri na kwa ba nobe. Love your neighbors, you love yourself. I na ishide umfu abino kusanga. Avantubare chita pe sweek. Bale eku papa tana kufe wungga tu penny. Nangutuswa chwabwakata pe mumabala. Is that's the way we want our people from a rich country like Zambia to continue. Idana niyeve the wudavushkuba shimuamba na tine ndimupepo alalesa tafirwa. Weba Christiani won se tu ikale pama kufi, pantu fi rechtika muchalo. Utu wamu natu shaban tuimi tima. Naba fumiyamo, they can't see how the people are suffering. Awaba ni kujere. Let's think of our friends who are in jail to the mu mu leadership. You don't know what your friends are going through. Ask me who has been there before. Wa vene loko lala mwli eye ako ni na malaiti naashima. Elo throughout one year u lala mui light mababa dishma tama light kujere. No matter what. Ta naya you sleep mui light. But anyway, ni have hope. Lesata fidwa. Hello, bamba mwambaine chimpapuisha after you read that list. As I conclude, some of the people who are appearing on that list of presidents alliance. Badani pulletabadi mw alliance in abamunduviri. Why can't they withdraw the way Bamawere has done? A lot of those people are in the alliance. Look at that list. And please go through what the Electoral Commission of Zambia has said again. They should think twice. What have they said? Maybe it's going to help us. I'm going to take it.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:10

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:10

Please do that.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:12

Thank you. Um, this is what we are going to do. I'll take um two calls, then I'll let Honorable Mawele answer. Then I'll release him. Then we will continue with your calls up to the hour. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. M Kwine, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_24 1:05:02

Um focus, focus. And a present while I put my more. I mean I don't have my wife.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:24

Thank you very much. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and uh give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:29

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:31

Good evening.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:32

My name is Alex. Uh, may I please uh join other callers to congratulate honorable more good evening? Mawele I'm aware. I'm aware. Um I'll start by saying I'll be very brief, Ambassador, because I know that this program demands a lot of uh it causes a lot of people to participate. It is the same call of other people that are. Perspected calling for unity of the opposition. But there's something interesting. From the time that Mawele left his office, uh the office as a minister, it has been more than eight years plus. Which means this is how clean he is that he has no any records of a crime, but you never know this government they can create anything against him. Um Ambassador and Mawele, the core is the same. And I remember on this program and several times we have told this government that the election this year has got nothing to do with political parties, it has got something to do with the people and the people of the land. The public themselves shall choose to conquer with those words that the Honorable Mundipila said, leadership comes from God. So they can be distracted, they can be pointing, it's not about Munduviri, it's not about Makebi, it's not about Lubinga, and many others. It's about what God has promised. And I want to speak to his opposition that there was a prophet of God in my in my in my remarks, in the remarks. There was a prophet of God that went to the house of the of uh, and when he went with you, uh the father asked me, I want me here to anoint the family, uh, one of the one of the child. God has asked me that I should anoint one of the children. The father presented those that they were in his eyes that they were men enough, but he said, No, there's somebody. And Julie said, Oh, there's a little boy who's actually currently taking care of the animals. And they were called that when he was called Joseph, we said, Yes, this is the one. David, David, yeah, and this time around, David shall be born. It might make not even from all these people who has perspective, it might be Ramawe, it might be Makeb, it might be anybody, but the people of the land, they shall vote. And all I in my all that I'm encouraging, you people don't think oh, now because all the colours of this program they were in me. I'm asking humble yourself, go and discuss just like other person other people. Upoka, go back. We don't want to hear your strategy on this follower and many other followers. Oh, what you want to see is action and action. Thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:22

Thank you very much. Allo, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Good evening. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

unknown 1:08:35

Good evening, my name is Maxwell Chongo.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:38

Ah, Maxwell Chongo, wonderful. Yes, make your contribution, Max.

unknown 1:08:44

Yes, uh, good evening, honorable.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:48

I think you have done a very good job. You know, a lot of umited opposition, and it takes a man with character and principles to say just it what the people want. I'm just hoping that many more opposition leaders will see the key for the footsteps and for one opposition movement that should call the opposition election. We do not have the time, we cannot always be talking about opportunity in social media, on TV, on radio, and then there's no what we're talking about, but with the state that we have taken truly create or keep talking people that will still have leaders that will put their personal interests aside and prioritize the interests of the Zambian people, a good movie from a decision that I consider to be very wise, and I hope other politicians will see the need to do so. I also want to end by telling as other candidates, members of parliament, members, association and counselors, be very, very careful as we head towards the end of August general elections. The wrong decision will keep you out of the mess, not because you don't qualify to be in the mess, but because you opted to go against what is written or what is being said by each by joining or applying on the political party that will be disqualified. And that will mean the ruling will win more seats in opposition stronghold. So for now with the Mingalato at play, we should be prepared to sit and make some painful decisions that will go against our personal interest, but will be the interest of the Zambian people. Thank you very much and good evening to you all.

SPEAKER_13 1:10:51

Thanks, Max. Max Chongo is uh National Youth Chaperson under the Citizen First, and uh he has made those remarks. Let me bring in Honorable Moses Mawere. He gives his remarks and responses to the people uh and their questions, and then we release him. Then you will are going to have about 30 minutes of phone in. Honorable Mawere, um you've heard what the people have said. First, congratulations once again. They've commended your decision as a leadership decision to first of all, you know, uh put your own personal interest aside and look at the national interest. And among the leaders aspiring, you chose someone to support. And you know, you um, as uh uh uh with your political party, Exodus party, with also your alliance, because you have an alliance, you have joined another alliance led by Hari Kalaba. So you've heard the comments, make your comments, um, respond to any of the people that called, including Honorable Mumbipiri and Max and others. Then we are going to release you. Then for you, the callers, I'm going to take your calls in the next 30 minutes. Let's allow Honorable Mawele to answer and make his concluding remarks.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:07

Uh thank you, Ambassador Mamba. Uh, what should be well understood, Ambassador Mamba, is that the decision we have made as the party, Exodus Party for Peace and Prosperity, it was not an easy decision. It is a decision where you have to forego yourself for the sake of others. Like everyone has indicated that us who are aspiring right now, we may be in the privileged positions because we can afford a meal, we can do whatever we want to do, because God has blessed us with the means, but as long as we are with the thought, we need to realize that our leadership will be nothing if we can't answer to the cry of the Zamian people, and that's what has given us courage as a party, and me personally myself, I'm sure you can't doubt my political experience. I'm a very experienced politician. Most of those people have applied there. They can attest to the fact that Maweri is not a small boy, he's a serious force to have on. But we decided as a party that we have to forgo our desires for now and rally behind one opposition political party so that we answer clearly to the core of the Zambian people who have said we know which organization to vote out, and they are yet to decide which organization to vote in. So those who are still contemplating, please may almighty God reach out to you people quickly because next week, starting Monday, the pre-processing of 100 supporters in each province begins. And before Monday, we should make decisions, and a decision that will parade Azion people. So Ambassador Mamba, I'm sure from all the callers so far, I don't think there's any need for me to dilute their contributions because their contributions are as good as mine. That indeed less answer to the call than people, regardless of who we think we are, regardless of the numbers we have mobilized, regardless of how popularity we have become, but let's seek within ourselves. We should be the one for to forget about ourselves before we expect others to rally behind us. So this call, Ambassador Mamba, I want to make it very clear. It is not a simple call, it takes a lot of courage and it takes the wisdom of God that you can do away with what you treasure most. Because all of us want to provide leadership with other young people. But you say, for now, I will show off my ambitions and I'll run it behind my brother. Who knows? Good time is the best. Some of us we are still young, we are we are full of life. Definitely, one day God will remember us, and you will be there to go to this country. So that's what I'm gonna say for now, and I want to appreciate you on a short notice. You are able to say, Mawede, I want you to feature you on my program. I didn't expect your call to actually today because I think at that time I was still doing meetings with my my colleagues, and I don't know how the news reached you very quickly, quicker than uh most of us who are in Zambia. I think it's within a flash that you were able to pick the news that this is the decision of made. It shows how connected you are to the Zambian people and the Zambian soil. So keep it up. May God continue his blessing over you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_13 1:16:29

Thank you very much, Honorable Mawele. Indeed, before the news actually broke out that you had um and you know withdrawn from the race, I think I was among the first people to break that news. Um, but thanks to the people that give us information, all we ask is that the information must be verified. Even when I got this information, I called you and kudos to you. I asked you a question. In the next one hour, can you come to the program? And here we are, we've had a successful program with you verifying the information that I got. So thank you very much, and thank you uh for the sacrifices you made to appear on the program, abandon the meetings that you had just to inform the nation of this uh uh very difficult but important decision. And I hope that other candidates will emulate you. Honor Bomwele, we'll release you. You can watch the program, but we'll just be taking phone calls after this. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:33

You have evening.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:36

Yeah, in in case there's a hard question that needs you, I'll call you on the line and you can answer the callers uh through a phone call. You don't have to come through the broadcast. I might do that. So let's go back to the cause. What are we discussing today? The list of candidates who paid the 100,000 has been released. There are 26, including Honorable Moses Mawere, former minister uh of sports, and you know, he he he was at the Zambian National Farmers Union before his political life, and um he has led with good leadership, and he says, Well, let me give others an opportunity, let me yield to the coup by Zambians to unite, and that's what he has done, and he has joined Honorable Harikalawa's Orange Alliance, and he also had an alliance of his own, and his alliance has joined um Orange Alliance, and we hope one day to see a grand alliance that brings together all these alliances. So, thank you very much, Honorable Moses Maweri. So, this is what we are discussing: the list of the 26, and ECZ calendar has been issued who will bring the 1000 when they will bring it. And um my concern was on the attached notice to the program that they've released to the public, and this is what the notice said. Please note that during nominations, all aspiring candidates must present an adoption certificate to the returning officer. Number one, note that. Number two, the adoption certificate must be signed by both the president and the secretary general of the sponsoring political party as reflected in the records of the registrar of societies. Number three, any letter signed by an individual whose name doesn't match the official records will result in the invalidation of the nomination papers. Number four, candidates standing for the president who are not the official heads of their sponsoring parties must produce confirmation letter signed by both the president and secretary general, stating that they've been sponsored by the political party in addition to the signed adoption certificate. This is as contained in the ECZ official communication issued today on 7th May 2026. We will not discuss the status of various political parties. The various political parties that might be affected by this know themselves. All I can do is bring this information to you and to the public for us to know what ECZ is trying to do. I have been warning that it is trying to disqualify candidates. You had Honorable Moses Maweri one and a half years to register a political party, have their names, names of the political party cleared, have the names of those that are submitted to the Registral Society cleared. And we have seen that ECZ is trying to use these administrative hurdles to back candidates. But are these administrative hurdles rooted in the law? Are they rooted in the Electoral Process Act of 2026? We know that they are amending the law. When KBF warned that some candidates may not appear as presidential candidates, he was insulted. He clearly knew what ECZ was planning. I don't think that KBF said this with malice. He was warning. When let me give a powerful example. When John Sangwa tried to register the political party, he met the hurdles. Do you know what John Sangwa did? He went to court and he got a favorable judgment. In fact, if John Sangha had lived through what the constitutional court had directed, his party would have been registered by now. Because that ruling, that judgment is extremely fundamental. And I think for the political parties and their strategies, they need to look at this ruling from the constitutional court that compelled the registrar of societies not to use administrative hurdles to prevent people from registering political parties. There's something we can learn. With this notice from ECZ, if political parties are smart enough, they can challenge the ECZ in the constitutional court and say, tell us the law you are using. These are in your head. You have looked at some candidates and you are now formulating these regulations in order to bar them. And to you, the viewers, we bring these issues for you to be aware, for you to be part of the advocacy, for Zambia to have democratic, credible, transparent, free, and fair elections. Let's start with your uh uh cause. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:57

Hello, Ambassador. And Dita Maya, and let me know. Thank you. But I can took us a little to the fly.

SPEAKER_13 1:26:19

Thank you very much. Let's take some more calls.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:29

Ambassador Mamba, this is uh Gen Yango from Gota.

SPEAKER_19 1:26:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:36

Yes. Actually, uh I have followed you for some time. Honorable Mamba, good evening.

SPEAKER_13 1:26:50

Yes, we can hear you proceed, my brother.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:53

Yes, thank you. I have followed you for some time, and some in some areas I've disagreed with you, and other areas mostly I have agreed with you. I heard honorable honorable this one from Chongui. Yes, where he said that the most of the people they are suffering. And the when I look at the list of the presidential candidates who have been who have paid to this, most of them are so that they have got the ideology of my coach of the center. Now, my question is why is it taking too long for these people to unite to to form up one party to come together so that these people can stand in one opposition and the current president? If all these people they have made hundred thousand, this hundred thousand, it is a lot of. money which they which can even benefit the people of Zambia and also help them in their campaign. But I I hope these people they are going to start thinking uprightly that the people of Zambia they are suffering and they have to unite and these people they are wasting it can even help in other areas. Thank you.

SPEAKER_13 1:28:22

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:33

Good evening yeah uh you are speaking to Jakose uh uh uh within Osaga Jakose make your going to allow me thank you so much are are you going to allow me Mr.

SPEAKER_13 1:28:48

Mamba to speak my Banga language because me uh I'm used to speak Tonga please proceed my brother you just know the rules don't disparage people don't insult just but say your opinion no no no no no uh thank you so much uh Tolumbaba Patuamba Manu Mamba uh I think Mr.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:08

Umano Mamba Wamba would my well done Muzambia to disibantu very selfish as why Musa bantu very poor majority of people they are poor Mr. Mamba alambo very selfish there is no way this time to the way Mazambia muntu my opposition one example example example present first in a salada in that um kyonguung issues and you are salala so to a present once you position part but I mean I won't go to support in Mr. Mwava very sad my older brother Mr. Mwava Rambo to Mozambia to see when to very selfish as well Zambia Tai development Mozambia Taigo.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:23

So in a conclusion Mr Mwamba conclude if I invite all political parties who must have political party my issues and chapter festival festival teachers thank you for that call we are taking your calls please call we um we are doing a wonderful emergence program today to discuss the development at the uh to discuss the development at the ECZ and the decision by Honorable Mawele which was a wonderful decision hello please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution thank you and I threw you yes you are yes you are even ambassador and present and I forgot some misangoyance. Mm for my pity about to claw um bell of twenty twenty six change.

SPEAKER_21 1:33:56

Thank you very much wise words from Kaputa Alo Cola please tell us your name and where you are calling us from allocola ambassador good evening ambassador and then for you phone molecule is it I adoption certificate share of a pelea poker up my abdotion certificate my qualifications adoption certificate general secretary and the president we share your free non sheriff adoption certificates free and paliamo conditions power adoption certificate waiting the consensus I am the leaders before tatuay my elections. Waka to kuchtako encourage a masaporters at this unit because in a kwa sala disunity elections to a want to go stage my elections before my elections grassroots because to a lenga my elections yet because in the three corporate one na my elections to a sangap or chimbichin to ambassadine the quatrip wombe inch to weam broadcast then you want a leroomba a kupa konokumu kwachu broadcast. Then ammunokweba womba we no man offen shaky mwe I takuna partners que broadcast is a partner naita wish manually broadcasting upon as an abamunk and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution my name is yeah I would like to congratulate the Honorable Marawe is that the name yes Moses Mawere Mawere Moses Mauere Bam Moses Mauere congratulations you've really done a great thing you have opened the way yeah to those who can't just think for themselves you have thrown that thought into their hearts and we we are just hoping that they will take your step please opposition parties do what Bamawere has done.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:32

We really thank him so much Bama egoism is something that you know lead people you know to bad thoughts selfishness you know with all this money that they have spent to to just you know fight for precedence this money could help a poor Zania I hope they could come back they could come back to their senses and do the same thing Bamawere Tata Banesho Kisha or you'll be the first person to put out the front of everybody and say easily and you fail.

SPEAKER_25 1:38:23

Thank you so much Bama thank you very much tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution thank you so much Ambassador Mamba is the from living yes yes mama make your contribution first thing um but uh an imitation but uh my number and a partial marketing or be it made on belamus and switch. The the other thing is among position and unity ambassador if we we you know this thing of the opposition and unity among leaders among opposition I don't know how they are looking at it but there's also an aspect of time when you look at the dates for nominations I'm a counselors now members of parliament number MPs among activities are 18th May 2026 and today when you look at the date you see it's the 7th of of May so you discover that the process you are going to share on seekers is not short it's it's lengthy. They have to get the 12 results verified they have to to be registered with they have to have to be registered with PACRA so and they should also some signatures from from the Secretary General like the procedure you are just reading out. So if the opposition doesn't unite it means that we are going to have a lot of words and constituencies where the UPND won't have any other any other opponents to deal with opposition the ruling party is likely to go unoppose in most of the constituencies if the opposition doesn't unite now because the process adoption it and this is where we are saying that I'm a lead I'm gatwachitaken I've been a power of the common ground so for me for me who is in southern province who is coordinating southern province let people get in touch with me about the southern province because the instructions so so whenever candidates so that we start talking and start looking for candidates in most of these words and constituences and then the other thing if you finish I'm sure book musanda behavior musand musandombishing the shakumanisha panse is quo position or on fumu kubecu judgmentombe or isa pangamista msanda so this is where we are going in my directions who is UPN D. So Bende Shama Fundeon Sava UPN D. They want to dribble they want to dribble opponents now what we what the present at India and UPND must be aware is that this August 13th elections at M 2026 the balewa potion political party does but so there's no amount of lies that they can be they can go without noticing.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:56

So for my Zambians what we just have to do now is constant communication so that we stop these people we stop these activities by my elections parties therefore it is upon ourselves once we may okay to check at a gratuito certificate whatever people might be please let us few DNA candidates because we cannot talk of winning elections if most of the constituents will go and oppose by opinion thank you very much thank you hello colour please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make a contribution ambassador yes yes colour thank you very much um uh thank you so much again uh for the program and also hosting uh um honorable mozes mawele um when we talk about unity when we talk about unity i think it's important that let us be honest um as a people especially the opposition the language that is being used against others I think that is what is making unity uh just a verbal kind of a thing and doesn't actually materialize to what we can actually talk about the the UPND government is very busy they know what they're doing they are working out you know their plan to remain in power but the opposition i i'm not seeing the genuineness when you look at the people for example um i i want to to to ask in fact i would really love uh honorable mawede to answer this when he says you know we do not want to experiment who is he referring to you know who is he referring to when he says he doesn't want to experiment and uh honorable who is a great leader um by the way uh is the only person that is experienced i know that most of the people that are standing here none of them has ever been a president of Zambia so when we talk about experimenting I don't understand that some of the people that are actually vying for presidency have served in government just like um has done so when we are talking about unity let's be mindful of the language that we use you know it is what is said that is putting these uh setting these leaders apart so when you talk about unity let it be unity that is going to unify them by what we say I thank you ambassador thank you very much hello cola please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution doctor nkoma here good evening ambassador doctor emmanuel nkoma from deb now you are you are in Lusaka I'm in are you standing in Lusaka where if I under now I realize that I realize that we need to put sanity uh into our in our politics uh my ambassador my dear brother let me commend you you issued a video yesterday that has gone viral where you were calling for unity among opposition uh leaders uh that was very commendable especially that you lead the leadership institute i think that was commendable uh please offer your your views especially that you were edging the opposition leaders to unite yesterday uh absolutely what has a fact to call is to uh congratulate uh honorable mawere for heckening to such a call to say we need the opposition to rethink and uh get our uh themselves together so that is something that is very commendable and uh I wish to again uh bring back the same call there is no time there is no time I believe we can drop our indifferences and uh look at the nation it's great on Ingolanda mean what I'm not going to massage the opposition because we have been calling upon this from last year uh saying unite unite unite now we are in the 11th hour somebody said to me why Doc are you shouting I said sometimes we have to shout to these people because as we speak intellectually but this time they need to know there can only be one Zambia and if there is only one Zambia there can only be one president at a time let me also say some of these who are being stubborn they must know that Ngawa pusuai chance immediately this trans passes. I have to say honest truth others will go to prison why because they failed to hecken to what the Zambians were saying it would be a suicide the other thing that I would love to say what you have seen why when KBF was trying to educate other presidents of what would be the ECZ position they insulted him they caught him jealous they said all kinds of things because maybe KBF is also a presidential candidate. But I think there is time that they can listen to some of us who are standing at a neutral position when we say come together let's have a united front let's put Zambia at the center and let the opposition be seen to represent the Zambian people not only to be seen but to represent themselves or their personal ambitions and lastly Ambassador I would love to state that please opposition let's remove selfishness and let's remove the arrogance a wise man knows when to stoop and he allows the bullet to pass over his head but if that's where I will end thank you thank you

SPEAKER_13 1:50:00

Um, my dear brother Bishop Emmanuel Dr. Ukoma uh he issued a very, very good um statement yesterday. Let me see if I can even play it, if I can process it quickly so that uh people can hear. You are telling the opposition just unite, just unite. And honorable Mawele has shown today that it's important to unite. Um the core, the core uh for unity cannot be underestimated. We are waiting for some form of you know, yeah. Mawele has shown the way he has gone to an alliance, his alliance has joined another alliance led by Honorable Harry Kalaba. This is probably what we hope to see with other people so that we can narrow down the candidates. And um uh let me see if I can pray Emmanuel Emmanuel Mkoma's uh Dr. Emmanuel Nkoma's video where he just like he was saying himself that someone says, Why are you shouting? He says, sometimes you need to shout at these people so that they can listen. Uh, we have been speaking, maybe in polite terms, they are not listening. This is what this is what he said. Just just let me see if I can play the video.

SPEAKER_22 1:51:26

Sit down, start discussing real issues, drop your egos. You cannot be comparing yourselves. No, uh me, I am more popular. Me, I'm more popular. Who is popular? You are all in opposition. It's like slaves comparing themselves among slaves, saying, Me, I am a better slave than you. But the bottom line is that you are all slaves, you are all in opposition. We cannot be proud to see you standing up saying no. It's me, it's me. Okay, mining in a wake and not quite a forty of it. What did you achieve? You will stand alone, no quite a vote of it. Because Nava Kashima forte. Now for telling Mukka I forty Mamuava and Java in Mammukuka. I want the four one be church, and I told some many church, Navakashivenu, Nava and Kali someways, Navakashiven, but I'm the Catholic and the Catholic. So it is very important we put Zambia at the center. Zambia Filakeni 50 Timulani, Timulani, Timulani, Timulani, Filakeni. Let's have Tim Zambia, let's put Zambia at the center, let's change the country, let's have Zambia here.

SPEAKER_13 1:53:22

That was a call by Bishop Nkoma, who has just called um and was appealing to the opposition leaders to come together. But let's abandon all our teams and let's have Team Zambia. And today I was hosting Moses Mawera, former minister of uh sports, who has said, look, Zambia is bigger than me. Yes, I'm capable, yes, I have followers, yes, I can present my credentials across all the 10 provinces. But I think that I need to join forces with my other colleagues who I think the prospects are better. And he made a decision to go to Horebuhari Kalawa's alliance at his age in other political parties, other political leaders to make similar decisions and you know support uh to collapse your personal interests, and you know, let's narrow down the list. Uh I think this was an emergence broadcast, and to leave it here. Thank you for your participation. We needed just to deal with the issues. Let's watch Is it and their plots and tricks to attempts to back candidates. We bring this not to disparage anyone, not to disadvantage anyone, to bring a warning to you. Be like John Samwa. He saw the hurdles and he took racial societies to court. And there's a very fundamental ruling that was made against Isis, it is going to shape our politics. Okay, let's take maybe I didn't warn. Let's take the last five calls. Good evening.

SPEAKER_23 1:55:11

Yeah, this is Mwero calling from Osaka.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:14

Mr. Mwero, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_23 1:55:18

Thank you, Ambassador. Uh Ambassador, what uh Mr. Mower has done is a good thing. He has made a very good move. Now, to be honest with you, Ambassador Mwamba, there is a time of war between the Mundu Red Group and the Matebu Zulu Red Group. So to be honest with you, Nainawine, I think if we are to support a leader, I think to be fair, it's better to support our member. Because I have a group. To be honest with you, I'm gonna have to generally look at what you are straight up. Otherwise, Ambassador, me I submit a pay. Because of the more presidents, we agreed.

SPEAKER_13 1:57:12

Thank you, my brother. Thank you. Thank you very much. Let me take the last call. Zalo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_17 1:57:21

Thank you, Bamwamba. Uh Seniang on the line. What we need to understand, what is unity? Unity is when people with a common goal come together to work together. What is the common goal on the ground for Zambian today? It is the way that our government is governing Zambia. We have no freedom of expression, we have got no freedom of rights. We've seen political opponents being cascaded and arrested. So now, the common goal, when you look at it, I know people have talked about unity and everything. Mamwamba, you're a person like if I look at you, I see a lot of good quality leadership. You know, if you are like a person like if people can measure themselves and compare themselves to you, is leadership is not just being a leader, it's a service to the country. But what we have among our opposition parties today, Bamwamba, we have bosses, not leaders. A leader is one that humbles himself before others to save the nation. And for me, this is one thing that I've liked and loved about my candidate. You know, my candidate, and I'm not trying to say this to despise others, but if you look at ourselves, we know who's a boss and who is a leader. It's never too late to unite as a country. Time is there, but who is your candidate? My candidate is Makebi Zulu.

SPEAKER_13 1:58:50

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_17 1:58:51

Is a person that is good, is not pompous, is a person that knows how to save others. And then within others as well, I've seen one person that I've been looking at, and I'm looking at it to say, you know what, if this person worked with Macebe, they can make a very good solid team. And for me, the person that I'm leaning forward, if a Mackey and team can start working together with these three people, then victory on the 13th of August belongs to all Zambians. And this person, I've been looking at Ali Kalaba in his way of addressing people, he's willing to work with others, not because of pompacity, but because he has got that love to save Zambia. Then I was looking and listening to uh Freddie Membe the time you hosted him with Badolita. There's one thing that I loved about him, and this is the way he was being honest with the kind of people that he's been surrounded with. And when he said, like, look, people are talking about unity, but I've met so many leaders. Trust me, most of them want to be leaders, but they don't want to save under anyone. For me, time is not let. I understand that there's so much confusion, and everyone wants to be a leader, but not everyone wants to be saved to save others. There is more time for Zambians to look for a solid leader in who can take Zambia out of the misery that we are going through as a nation. And for me, if Team Kalawa, Team Makebizulu, and even my friend, trust me, Immanuel Mamba, we are going to have a solid election, and it will be for Zambians. God bless Zambian, God bless you, Immanuel Mamba.

SPEAKER_13 2:00:37

Thank you very much. Uh, when I say N day Salah, then we begin to come over. So if you have something burning, I'm going to take the last two calls. I'm going to take the last two calls. Yeah, I can see. Please call, please call before we we close. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_26 2:01:11

Hello.

SPEAKER_13 2:01:13

Yes, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_26 2:01:16

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_13 2:01:20

Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:25

Senior citizen.

SPEAKER_13 2:01:26

Senior citizen, please make your contribution.

SPEAKER_26 2:01:30

Yes. Um I would like to state that uh the fact that we just speak in to a quarter.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:54

So unity for the Avani, if we want to opposition.

SPEAKER_23 2:02:09

Maybe it is by their own design. We have been hearing development for another idea. I'm a politics who quite come by.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:27

Elimination process for your register craft by UPND, led by H H is so complex.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:35

Such that before the campaign period, there could be a lot of people or candidates who could be eliminated. Time is still with us. Wait until parliament is dissolved. You will see bad people coming out.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:53

That is the time you can be speaking about this or that candidate, and so on and so on. For now, let us unite. We have said there should be no saying we don't want experimenting like what Mr. Maware said. He has subtracted what he submitted 100%. There should be no one to be condemned or seen to be unpopular or what and so on for now. Let's forger it and remove this cunning government. I submit.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:33

Thank you very much. Uh, I'm taking the last uh cause. Uh, I've got a caller here. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Umbamkwai San Maio Shannon Landenipo name when we were nimuletwina kisa uh east London and South Africa.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:54

Um you're speaking to Kamai.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:56

Yes, Caroline.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:57

Yeah, Mai Kazan Bam Mambam Kwai. Um palume.

SPEAKER_13 2:04:01

Mkayole salet sungalandenipo. Hello, Landenipo, you are on. Oh, we lost her. We lost her. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Good evening, good evening, good evening.

unknown 2:04:24

Thank you. Uh Mr. Mwamba, this uh evening, I only want also to uh thank you and congratulate you.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:33

And uh I want to understand you, Mr. Mwamba. The way I feel or the way other people feel about the issue of unity, our feeling to unite. How do you feel?

unknown 2:04:50

Mr.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:51

Mwamba might have been God blessing. Good may God continue blessing you, our brother. You are true. No one cannot compare you to anyone. Why speciality is a presidential candidate for someone else?

SPEAKER_02 2:05:26

We have we have my non citizens who are safe for this candidate. We are there.

unknown 2:05:45

I don't know what I can say. Thank you so much. Uh thank you so much, Mr. Mann.

SPEAKER_13 2:05:49

Thank you very much. Uh I think Carolyn from South Africa is back. We lost you there. My dear sister, make your contribution. Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. Dear viewers, thank you for your contribution. Today we are done emergence broadcast and thank you for turning up. We were discussing uh Vamong Kong. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. I thought I had closed, but you you keep on calling, but let's hear you.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:26

And Musa Lonse, the bullion my elections, bala fuller minabu, minab presential candidates. If you never change a kuva pose, wino for sane in the parliament to file katana to left my chimwela.

SPEAKER_13 2:09:49

Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh uh let me give me an opportunity to conclude. I know you still want to call others join the broadcast because there are various broadcasts every day. So some join you know this broadcast. Kula, you know, we search for information. In the past, I used to be a radio dial. Because they could have been away. Um and uh they just come and uh then make the contribution. But let me make my my I'm just looking at a note that has been issued by my young brother, Simon Blenga Muela. He has said the note issued by ECZ is not a joke, it's very serious, and political parties must take it very seriously. I agree with you, my brother. I have seen the alarm in that note, and many people, Simon, may not see the trap that is in there. ECZ is aware of who is at the registrar of societies. ECZ is aware of the sponsoring parties and the status at registrar of societies. This note they've issued is not in vain. And uh Simon, you know, Simon Mulenga Muila has also joined in my alarm and he has said take this as serious warning, it's not a joke. Um and he says ECZ has clearly warned that adoption certificates must not only be signed by officials recognized by the registrar of societies, not by factions, not by parallel leaders, not by people recognized only on Facebook by cadres. That is very important. And he has elaborated on what he has understood. You should go to his article, I'll post it on my page that you can. um uh make your contributions but here are my remarks like my opening remarks just for purposes of emphasis so who paid the hundred thousand quachatu eccz Howard Kunda I have hosted him here Zambia Wake Up Party Charles Chanda UPPP UPPZ Kelvin Fuwewari have hosted him here from Zambia Must Prosper Party Brian Muntayalu Amundubile Forum for Democracy and Development have hosted him here several times given Mwenya Chansa movement for economic emancipation professor Dr. Daniel Pule Christian Democratic Party Harry Karawa have hosted him here citizen first Enoch Roosevelt Third Liberation Movement Dr. Sebastian Kopland no name he hasn't put any political party there he could be independent but it's not stated but from his political party there's another presidential candidate Francis Mandona Mwape People's Party we have Casonde C Mwenda from Economic Freedom Party we have Dr. Chitaluchlufia Patriotic Front we have Chanda E Bika Totou Patriots for Economic and Progress we have Kafulamu Wanga Kafulamu Wanga is this economic is this energy expert the one that was I think uh had joined uh which political party was that but I'm surprised Kafulamu Wanga I think it must be the one in the comments if you are uh watching you can indicate if he's the one so he has come under development people's party but Kafulamuwanga recently had been issuing statements I think under under Antonio Mwanza's political party but I can see that he has come here under GPP oh it could be the one actually Kafula Muwanga so it could be the the candidate for Antonio Mwanza's political party I will need to verify but it says development people's party Kafula Muwanga the energy expert I think is appearing under Antonio Mwanza's political party Dr. Richard Silumbe leadership movement party he has been on this forum Dr. Fred Membe he has been on this forum Socialist Party Mr Moses Maweri who was our guest of honor today who has done a noble thing he has withdrawn despite paying the hundred thousand quacha and is urging others to do the same so that we can narrow the focus and he expect the leadership of Hari Kalawa to you know to support his alliance has gone to the Orange Alliance led by Hari Kalawa. We have Makebi Zulu have hosted him here and he's supposed to come here on Sunday because Resolute Party is supposed to launch as a special purpose vehicle for PF Pamosi alliance and Makebizulu is supposed to come here um given katuta independent candidate our dear sister Reverend Given Katuta who's uh uh an independent MP Xavier Franklin Chungu I said this was a shock to me it was a surprise the man has been in the shadows is former director of intelligence and is coming here under liberal democratic party wheeler Joseph Mudolo from South Africa Dr. Brian Mushimba from Organized People's Party Dr. Richard Siamnene former Defense Minister New Focus Party uh Pastor Peter Chanda for New Congress Party Bishop Trevor Musonda Muamba uh Mkalambawandi bishop you know he was bishop in the Anglican and is a very renowned name in Botswana because you know he headed various um uh various uh congregations as a leader uh of the anglican church and then he also practiced in London and his his his his spouse is uh former president um masire's daughter that is his spouse but he here he's he's not coming under UNIP he hasn't indicated as UNIP he just paid the 100 000 then we have president hakainde ichilema have i forgotten anyone let's see let's see yeah then president hakainde ichilema those are the 26 that have paid and is it has um released a list and someone says but read the consent from is it yes this is my consent from is it and I titled it that ECZ is trying to bar certain non-candidates and we should not allow this this is what they have stated ECZ wrote as a footnote to this important announcement please note that during nominations all aspiring candidates must present an adoption certificate to the returning officer the adoption certificates must be signed by both the president and the secretary general of the sponsoring political party as reflected in the records of Registrar of societies. Any letter signed by an individual whose name doesn't match with the official records will result in the invalidation of the nomination papers. Candidates standing for the president who are not the official heads of the sponsoring political party must produce a confirmation letter signed by both the president and secretary general stating that they've been sponsored by political party in addition to the signed adoption certificate my challenge to ECE the law that gives you powers to make these regulations. Cite the law Zambia is not having this these elections for the first time we've been having elections in the last 62 years so give us authority that is giving you these sweeping powers we want to God bless you until next time we will uh uh meet you maybe tomorrow nanjalam komo dalamazon se mutumbalano chulu papa mutupatoin not enough time bluff time up quite not enough time is a bluff and up in the cool mission one to go to get the pocket and open you can too loud and you can see