HOSTING PEOPLE'S FORUM

LIVE NOW; We discuss the filing of nominations for presidential candidates beginning with submission of 1,000 supporters.

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SPEAKER_23 1:09

We want change, we want change, we want change, we want change, yes, we want the change all upon it, but we have money button.

SPEAKER_22 5:42

If we have food, be a fool, that's about to manga, we better be away, that you are to take to a job. If we want the changing, where the money falls fire, where I share my side, we have a send for Jackie Fu.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

We welcome Kitwe Mayor, Chipata Mayor, Lundazi Council Chairperson. We welcome the councillors and other civic leaders. We welcome MPs, MPUE for Ron, and everybody across the country. We are receiving members joining UPND every day in all the ten provinces of Zambia.

SPEAKER_05 6:44

Allah, Najidiva, Najidiva Zahl.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

One of the first laws we are going to revested is the media, is the is the cybersecurity bill. This is a modern technology which we want to use to deliver medicines in hospitals and consultants. A doctor is seated in Osaka is consulting to help a patient in Kaputa through social media, through the electronic media. How can we shut and restrict such beautiful services? One of the first laws we are going to revested is the media, is the cyber security bill. This is a modern technology which we want to use to deliver medicines in hospitals and consultants if a doctor is seated in Osaka is consulting to help a patient in Caputa through social media, through the electronic media. How can we shut and restrict such beautiful services?

SPEAKER_22 10:35

If we want the children, where the money follows the money fire, where I share my way over there.

SPEAKER_45 11:36

You know, it held its last sitting of the fifth session of the 13th National Assembly. So Parliament is expected to dissolve formally, but it held uh its last sitting. And for me, it's a sad day because this parliament has done things other parliaments have not done. They've taken back our democracy, they've taken it far back. Number one, they passed 77 bills in the last 10 days. 77 bills, among them the public gathering bill, which is um which has cemented dictatorship and tyranny in our country. I saw the defense by Sandech and I tried to put up a spirited um defense of the bad law, but it misses the whole point. The entire reason why the public gathering bill was that the PF came up with in 2018, 2019 was to amend the Public Order Act. The Public Order Act is a colonial law designed to stop Africans from meeting. They didn't want three of you to meet without the authority of either the council police, mine police, or state police. That was the purpose of that law. Kaunda promised to repeal it. He found it attractive to oppress his political opponent. Dr. Frederick Chiruba pledged to repeal it. It's one of the laws he said he would repeal, especially that we're moving to democracy. Before long, uh the he started using it against his political opponents. There was even a challenge by Christine Murundika, who was a unique lawyer. Her and Dr. Kaounda held um a meeting in uh Chongwe and they were arrested. So she took the matter to court and said this law should be expunged from our statutes because it was a very bad law. And what happened, the Supreme Court ruled that that law was inconsistent with our democratic tenants and our new position as a democratic state, and that it was fashioned to silence Africans, to stop Africans from associating, gathering, and talking, because um the colonial authorities were afraid of uh Africans coming together. And subsequent governments had used the law, they expanded it from the statutes. The vice president was uh uh uh General Meander, and before long the drafters had come up with a fresh law and it was resubmitted to Parliament, and we still have the Public Order Act where they only changed one thing that it will no longer be a notice, it will be a permit, and you needed to notify the police in seven days. But in practice, in practice, we noticed that uh uh uh let me just briefly come back to you. There's someone calling, is one of my technicians. Maybe there's something he wishes to tell me.

SPEAKER_22 15:11

If we have to be a fool, that's a longer down with that to our week, that you take to a job. If we want that green, where the money follows the money fire, where the way about it.

SPEAKER_45 15:45

Yeah, so the public order act, as I was explaining to you, was challenged in the Supreme Court, the famous Christian Mulundica case that expunged it from our statute. But government being what government is, General General Godfrey Meander tabled it as vice president and leader of the government leader of the house, quickly tabled a new public order bill, which essentially was the same. They amended only the part that talks about uh permit to notice. But in practice, from 1994, the police have dealt with what the law provides as a notice. They've still dealt with it as a permit. So that from 1994, there's been a sustained campaign to expand the Public Order Act or replace it with a progressive law. And uh the public uh gathering uh bill of 2019, then which wasn't enacted, uh was extremely progressive. It just reduced everything to a notice progressive, and that citizen can hold any gathering anytime. Come, President Hakainde Ichilema. And what did he do? Oh my god, President Hakainde Ichilema has made it worse, like he did with the cyber crimes and cybersecurity bill, where he has imported offenses of speech into a cyber law. The purpose of a cyber law is not for speech offenses, but uh it what forms both the cybersecurity and cyber crimes act are not cybercrimes or cybersecurity. They are speech offenses that have been imported into a law that is supposed to secure you in the cyberspace. And we have a worse cyber law. And then remember, he has re-enacted uh seditious practices. People were last charged in the 70s and 80s on the law of sedition, but now it has become common and fashionable, especially after the president repealed the presidential, the criminal defamation of the president. He found solace in other oppressive laws to still achieve the same goal of installing a dictatorship in our country. So Parliament this week has been very sad. The public gathering be not as envisioned by civil society, not as envisioned by progressive forces, not as envisioned by human rights defenders. It's worse. First is proscribing any gathering of three people. It requires you to get a permit, not a notice, a permit. And like I'm saying, uh, my dear brother Sandechander of Kanchvia is uh is totally mistaken with his defense. He's totally mistaken. Our people didn't want, in fact, a public order act cannot be a comparison. It cannot be. Because our people expected a new law, a new law that will guarantee freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of thought, and gatherings to be free. And any comparison to UK, US, come on, is totally mistaken. Here, I can ban the flag. Here, I can, you know, your own national flag, you can ban it. Here, you can hold any procession. And you cannot be stopped to hold a procession. Whether they are visiting heads of state, whether there is a president, you cannot be stopped. So don't even compare to the US or UK. You are totally mistaken. So I I looked at the spirited campaign by Sandichander again, like I'm saying, totally lost. Uh so this National Assembly, this 13th uh uh uh uh Assembly will be remembered for wrong things. That is a parliament that entrenched tyranny and dictatorship, is a parliament that acted on most times illegally. The speaker of the National Assembly, I can guarantee you, you and I can bet this speaker will be arrested one day. It may not be tomorrow, it may not be when President Akainde HLM, but she'll be arrested because she passed the constitutional amendments illegally. She allowed um strangers in the house, people that had crossed, that had uh denounced their previous political party and joined another political party. She allowed them in the house. There are many decisions she made that were not utterly illegal. Um for example, the the nullification, the declaration of seats like Petauke um seat by May absence. There is no law that provides that such a seat must be declared vacant. You need to provide for the law. The law is not available. But a speaker proceeded to declare Emmanuel JJ Banda's seat in Petauke. And she did that, I think, with another seat on account of absence. You cannot, you can only punish for 30 days. And the law doesn't provide for any other remedy. You keep on suspending them for 30 days for being absent. But uh, or and Tassila Lungu's seat was also nullified on account of absence. There is no single provision in the constitution that when you absent yourself from parliament, that your seat can be nullified. You can only be suspended for 30 days, or you can be fined, or there could be other disciplinary matters, but your seat can be declared uh uh vacant. Whether the law, whether that makes sense to you or not, whether you would say people are taking advantage, whatever the speaker did on J. Bandas Petao and Chawama, totally legal. So I can guarantee you nearly nearly will be prosecuted one day. You and I can. Can bet the grand offenses she has facilitated under this parliament. Even look at these 77 bills. The law requires that the Gazette notices are issued, widely publicized, before any law takes comes to parliament. Have you seen any Gazette for all the 77 laws? Didn't you see them for the first time when we published on our pages that they are trying to pass these laws in the next 10 days? So here you are passing legislation without authority, without provisions of the law. It's not enough that you are an independent organ. Look what has happened in South Africa. Parliament decided that there was no sufficient merit to take the impeachment of the president over the pala issue to an impeachment committee. That decision was challenged in court. And Parliament, I mean the judiciary ordered, the constitutional court ordered parliament to take that matter to impeachment. They had no powers to stop it. The impeachment must succeed or fail in the house. Similarly, uh Neri Mootti was also overruled several times by the courts of law. Remember when she suspended and expelled nine MPs who lost their seats at high court level because the seats were nullified, but they appealed to the constitutional court. And in fact, nearly all the seats other than Kwacha and Kabushi were nullified, were upheld. So she was wrong and she was overruled by the courts of law. The courts of law also overruled her on the issue of Bill 7, which now became constitutional amendments. She ignored flatly. I can tell you, Nelly Mutimack this day, one day, she'll be prosecuted for her offenses. Let's go to the electoral process that is underway. I've been warning, and I've been warning that government is engaged in high-level schemes to bar certain candidates. And I'm not saying this out of malice. And I was vindicated when the ECZ issued this notice. Now that has been backed by the electoral process bill, which has become law, which has been passed, and we know that President Dakainde Ichilema, as soon as he comes from um Nairobi signing all those 77 laws that have been passed into law, including the oppressive public gathering bill, electoral process bill, and these other laws that have been passed. Here is what ECZ said. The schedule above, the vision for pre-processing of presidential supporters in the provincial centers from Monday 11th to Friday, 15th May. So this process is going on up to Friday. They are receiving and will be discussing it shortly. But there's a notice which we briefly discussed on Friday when I let you. But because we had guests on Sunday, Makebizulu, we didn't have time to attend to this issue. And today I want to give you sufficient time for you to call and express your concern. The adoption certificate must be signed by both the president and the secretary general of the sponsoring political party as reflected in the records of registrar of societies. Any letter signed by an individual whose name doesn't match the official records will result in the invalidation of the nomination papers. Candidates standing for presidents who are not the official heads of their sponsoring party must produce a confirmation letter signed by both president and the secretary general and stating they've been sponsored by that party in addition to the adoption certificate. And someone asked me, Ambassador, why have you named certain political parties? Let's start with UNIP. I mentioned UNIP that UNIP is affected because you have President Trevor Mwamba and you have uh Kaneo Muba, and there's been internal and internal wrangling, and some documents have been tampered at a registrar of societies. Trevor Mwamba has won in the High Court, but uh Kane Omuyoba is sitting at a register, and I don't know if the registrar of society has complied. So you will have a problem. Either Trevor Mwamba, Bishop Trevor Mwamba, who stand as independent, not under UNIP, because it says the president and the secretary general who appear at a registrar of societies are the ones to sign the adoption certificate. I'd mentioned NDC. Saboy Imboila on one side is a leader of the NDC. There are strangers that have held a conference. Remember, those that were under Joseph's Akafumba, NDC used to belong to Shimba Kambuili and Joseph Akafumba's vice president. And since 2021, there's been a split. One split went to the UPND in an alliance. Joseph Akafumba even became PS and has since been appointed as ambassador. Is it to Nigeria or High Commissioner to Nigeria? That faction of his is the one taking advantage of Joseph Akafumba's presence at Ministry of Home Affairs. He ensured that he tampered with the records. Yet, uh Saboy Imboila, on one side, matters are in court and they are not supposed to tamper with the records. But I notice that in this case, Saboy Imboyla has supported the Orange Alliance by Harikalava. But imagine if Saboy Imboila was standing, so there was going to be an issue. The group led by Joseph Saka Fumba, they've now elected another person whose leader there. You can Google, you can tell me in the notice. And then you have Saboy Imboila. Again, they were going to be affected by this rule that is now law in the electoral process act. It has become an act President Hakaindechilema is expected to sign. I cited my own party, PF. So we have Patriotic Front being led by Makebizulu. But the records have been changed when Mao Sampa held that conference. And Mao Sampa and Robert Chabinga are the ones that were now, they replaced Edgar Lungu and others that were office bearers and replaced them with Robert Chabinga and Mao Sampa. So although Makebizulu is president of the Patriotic Front, that was left by Michael Sata, by Ed Galungu, acting president given Rubinda, now Makebizulu. Makebizulu can't sign the certificates under Patriotic Front. Why? This rule says the president and secretary general that appear at the Registrar of Societies are the ones to sign that document. It leaves me, we can Mal Sampa sign and the Secretary General Moganingona sign. And let's say two the two agree. But what we know is that they are also in separate campus. Moga Ningona is with Robert Chabinga, who is claiming that he has fired Mao Sampa. Mao Sampa is saying, I have won in court and I'm the president. And there's even an injunction in Kawe. So they have a candidate have sponsored in Dr. Chitaluchilufia, who today submitted the delegates of 1000. Can Mao Sampa and Moganingona sign an adoption certificate for Dr. Chitaluchilufia? Likely not, unless a miracle occurs. That Dr. Chitaluchilufia, who's now being sponsored by Mao Sampa's faction. Mao Sampa alone, remember earlier they had said the certificate must be signed by President and Secretary General or Secretary General. But now in the rules, they are saying the two, President and Secretary General must sign. So Dr. Chitaluchilufia will be affected by this rule. Let's come to the FDD. FDD, we understand that there are issues where the Registrar of Societies has refused to update the records that Chifumu Banda held a general conference and they've refused to amend the records to show that the leadership has moved from Edith Nawaki to Chifum Banda. So the records at Registral of Societies are showing Edith Nawaki and the previous Secretary General. While Chifumu Banda and Chifumu Banda and uh is it Nathan Mulonga who are Secretary General, the records have not been updated on the register to include them so that the two can sign for the Tonsei Alliance leader, uh Brian Munduwile. I saw a lot of insults, but we just need to state the facts as they are. They help you prepare. So what will the FDD do? Like the case of the PF, the the Tonse Alliance have must be lucky. There have a lot of members, political members, political parties that are in their alliance, and they can find a political party with a suitable president and secretary general that can sponsor their candidate, Brian Munduvile, you know, into elections. Someone was even asking me just before I came on air. They said, but Brian Munuwile has paid under FDD. And yesterday he processed the 1000 under FDD. But you are saying that books at the Registrar of Societies may not contain Shmu Banda and Nathan Mulonga as Secretary General and President. So can then Brian transfer the 1,000 supporter using another special purpose vehicle? I'm not a lawyer. So I will not answer that question. But I can just give you the information as it exists. When we warn that President Akainde Echilema is determined to exclude certain candidates, we are not speaking from without. He has ensured that the PF is disenfranchised. Unless a miracle happens, the PF will not be on the ballot. If Mao Sampa is juggling, will he stand in? He has left Munali. Will he stand in in Chawama or will he stand in Roma? In Lima. Lima, which is the other side of uh Matero. Lima. So he has said, will I stand in Lima or I'll stand in Chawama? Again, Mao Zampa will not stand under the PF, looking at the rules issued by ICZ and what contains the electoral process bill. He either has to stand as independent or unless a miracle happens, there's an injunction coming up that uh uh that um Moganingona obtained. It's coming up on the 13th, unless it goes in his favor. But we have seen the process that as soon as Moganingona loses and he's been losing, he still gets another injunction. So they put him in a cyclic commander. And remember, there's another injunction by Mogan Ngona in Kague that has not been discharged. I warned last Friday that what are we doing about this? I'm glad that Peter Sincamba, you know, uh of the Green Party has taken up the matter in the Constitutional Court to challenge these provisions. Because before Mwangala Zalomis, anyone could sign, whoever the party appointed could sign the adoption certificates. Whoever. Presidents are too busy, they never signed the adoption certificates. This rule only came in 2022, when the 2023, when they started targeting the patriotic front. We cried, people didn't pay attention to us. We warned, we we stated, I think we even went to court that Mwangala Zalomis' um actions were illegal. In the past sixty years, any member that the party had assigned could sign the adoption certificates. Imagine the hassle of let's take President Akainde Ichilema. His president is too busy. There are 1,875 adoption certificates he has to do for counselors. There are 226 parliamentary seats he has to sign. There are 116 district council elections, either mayor or council chairperson that he has to sign. Imagine 1,875 plus 226 plus 116, and then he has to sign his adoption certificate himself. Imagine the president signing over 2,300 certificates. That's what these presidential candidates have been put through. And all these schemes, when we challenge Mangala Zalome, that it was illegal, she has ensured that she puts this regulation in the law to validate what she was doing against a PF, but also to disenfranchise certain presidential candidates.

SPEAKER_04 37:57

The cyber security view. One of the best laws we are going to revisit is the media, is the cybersecurity view. This is a modern technology which we want to use to deliver medicines in hospitals and consultants. A doctor is seated in Osaka is consulting to help a patient in Caputa through social media, through the electronic media. How can we shut and respect such beautiful services?

SPEAKER_45 39:23

Um remember about 44 candidates appeared at presidential candidates appeared at the uh stakeholders meeting called by the Electoral Commission of Zambia. Of the 44 that appeared, 26 paid. And we expect that people will be falling out. Sorry, the phone was off. You can call. I'm switching it on now. So here is the calendar. Yesterday on Monday, the ECZ gave Howard Kunda of the Zambia Wake Up Party Zawapa nine hours to file in to bring the hundred the 1,000 supporters, and Charles Chanda of the United Prosperous and Peaceful Zambia. Kelvin Fubewalia was also given Zambia Must Prosper. Brian Muntaya Wamunduwile Forum for Democracy and Development FDD. Mr. Given Mwenya Chansa, Movement for Economic Emancipation, and Professor Daniel Chivalepule. Of these from yesterday, we understand Zambia Waker Party, Mr. Howard Kunda did not succeed. Charles Chanda succeeded. Remember, uh, I saw news reports which are showing that if you have filed in Lusaka, therefore you filed successfully. No, the number ECZ is looking for is 1,000. So you file in Lusaka 100. You file in Indola 100, you file in Mansa 100, you filed in Kasama 100, you file in Chinsali 100, you file in Chipata 100, you file in Solwesi 100, you file in Mongu 100, you file file in Kabwe 100, you filed in Choma 100, then you will have filed in successfully. You will have presented the 1,000 supporters successfully. The law is very clear. It wants political parties to have a provincial presence. Remember, we've been condemning that political parties are regional, are tribally inclined. Some political parties are only strong in one area. The purpose of the constitution was to force political parties to have a nationwide character. So it does not mean that if you have successfully brought hundred people in Lusaka, therefore you have presented the 1,000 supporters successfully. The process has to be simultaneous. At the same time, when you bring your 100 in Lusaka, you have to present the other 100 in the other nine provinces, 100 in the other provincial centers. So I cannot here at this stage say these have fouled in successfully because we saw that they succeeded in Lusaka. Did they succeed in Choma? Did they succeed in Mongo? Did they succeed in Soloese? Did they succeed in Chpata? Did they succeed in Shinzari? Did they succeed in Kasama? Did they succeed in Kawe? That's a question to ask. But I saw news reports were even saying I have successfully filed. Ah, you are misleading Awantu base. Let us wait for ECZ or from the candidates themselves. That should tell us that of the 1,000, I have filed across the country. But for Lusaka, I'll speak for Lusaka because this is where the media was focused. But I'm just putting context to the misreporting of issues. So Charles Chanda managed to bring to Lusaka. Like I'm saying, I don't know about other provinces. Brian Munduwile succeeded. Given Mwenya Chansa movement for economic emancipation, it didn't succeed in Lusaka. And Daniel Chivalepule, Christian Democratic Party, didn't succeed. So from yesterday's program, we may speculate until ECZ gives us the official information is that Howard Kunda um uh given Muenachansa and Professor Daniel Ochivalepule may have fallen out. And I'm using the word may. For accuracy. Today, on Tuesday, Harry Kalawa presented the 100 citizens first. Enoch Roosevelt Tonga, I think he didn't. Sebastian Copland, he was coming as an independent. He's not filing. Remember what I told you about People's Party that has two candidates, where there was a faction that rose amended at the conference and amended the records against Dr. Sebastian Copland. So Dr. Sebastian Copland here was coming like an independent. And Francis Mandona Mwape from People's Party, he didn't turn up. Both Dr. Sebastian Copland and Francis Mandona Mwape are from the same institution, but are affected by what is happening at Registra of Societies. And the same wenda, we hope that ECZ will slaughter him because he's been detained in the last 10 days and the police are not releasing him. They whisked him to Chinsadi. The family even raised the alarm because they didn't know where he was. And then Dr. Chitalo Chilufia, he presented the hundred. We saw Charity Katongo announce and Edwin Lifukello announce that the faction of this patriotic front had presented the hundred supporters for Dr. Chitalo Chalufia. And like I'm saying, this is only from Lusaka. The law requires that you present 1,100 in each dist in each province. Tomorrow, Wednesday, 13th, May 2026, we are going to have Chandaka Totowe, who's being sponsored by the Patriots for Economic Progress, Sean Tembo's political party, they'll be going at 9 hours. We have Kafla Muwanga from Development People's Party, DPP, is coming in at 10 hours. We have Dr. Richard Silumbe, who's coming in for Leadership Movement Party at 11 hours. We have Dr. Fred Membe, Socialist Party, who's coming in at 13 hours. And then we have Moses Mawere, Exodus Party for Peace and Prosperity at 15 hours. But remember, Moses was on our program on Friday and he announced to the country on Saturday. He announced to the country that he had withdrawn. And himself, his political party, Exodus Party for Peace and Prosperity, and his alliance will join Hari Kalawa and will support Hari Kalawa. So this Moses Mawele will likely fall out. Then on Thursday, 14th May, or this is for tomorrow Wednesday. On Thursday, 14th May, we are going to have Makebizolu from the Resolute Party. When there were issues around NCP following the demise of the late president, and Pastor Chanda began to issue irregular statements, the party decided, as an alliance, as Tonsei Alliance at the time, to pick another special purpose vehicle. So it picked FDD to stand in Kasama and Chawama. Then there have been issues between Tonse and the PF, because Tonse purported to have expelled the Patriotic Front. So the Patriotic Front under Given Lubinda then said they got a faction of the PF that the alliance that was in that differed with the Tonse Alliance and they formed PF Pamozi Alliance, now headed by Makebezulu. That alliance has picked Resolute Party as its special purpose vehicle, the way they did with FDD and the way they did with NCP. So Makeb Zulu will come at 11 hours. Independent candidate, Reverend Dr. Given Katuta. She's standing as an independent and she's MP for Chiengi. She'll come at 13 hours. Xavier Franklin Chkonko Chungu, this is a former spy chief. You remember when we discussed last time? I'm looking for his number. I used to have his number and I don't have it. I want to him to come to this program and explain to you why he's standing. But Xavier Franklin Chkonkolo Chungu, former Director General of the Intelligence under the elector for 10 years, is standing under Liberal Democratic Party and is expected to take his supporters at 10 hours on Thursday. Will uh Joseph Mudolo, remember, he's been trying to stand under the PF when the PF held his uh conference. Uh he lost that election or withdrew at the last minute that he would not participate in a non-name conference, but it was in the ballot. So he lost. He went to the Mao Sampa faction that appointed him as member of the Central Committee. But we saw that he has paid the hundred thousand quachar. He has issues with the courts in South Africa that continues to hold his passport. Unless there is a breakthrough there. Joseph Willam Dolo is expected to file on Thursday. Um yes, yes, someone is saying what case does Willam Dolo has. Remember, it's an odd case, him and his wife were charged with money laundering issues. They were like financial advisors to uh uh to Prophet Shepard Bushiri. So there'd be those two cases. Shepard Bushiri fled to Malawi, then they confiscated the passport of his co-accused, who is Joseph Willam Dolo. And he had breakthrough last week the the High Court ordered that uh public prosecutor must proceed with charging him and prosecuting him for those charges. But this passport since 2020. So unless it's something dramatic and Joseph Willam Dolo is given the passport, and if he has, he usually listens to this program. My brother, if the court has given you a passport, you can call me and confirm so that we can confirm to your supporters because you are filing, it looks like you're filing in you haven't named the political party to be advised. That's what ICZ has put here. Then we have Dr. Brian Mushimba, former Minister of Works and Supply, former Minister of Energy, is former uh Kankoyo MP, is standing under organized people's party. So he's supposed to present the hundred at 15 hours. The 1,000, we should be very clear, because people think it's just bringing the 100 to Lusaka. You have to present the 1,000 across the country. Then on 15th May, which will be the last day, Dr. Ritual Siamnende, former defense minister and former um former MP, uh has a new party called New Focus Party and is expected to file on Friday at 9 hours. Then we have Pastor Peter Chanda of NCP is expected to file at um 11 hours. We have Bishop Mr. Trevor Musonda Mwamba. I told you the story of Unip. Even here, UNIP is not appearing. Then President Akain Techema will close the submission of the 1,000 people at 15 hours. The lines are open. Uh today is People's Forum. We've been discussing dissolution of parliament and the terrible laws that have been passed and the legacy. What is the legacy of Nelly Moti and this past parliament? You can give us a view. The electoral process and the rules by ECZ and the Electoral Process Act that is targeting political parties using registrar societies in an attempt to disenfranchise certain candidates. And the last matter I've just discussed, those that are filing and have not filed. There were 44 presidential candidates that appeared at uh the meeting, stakeholders' meeting. Then of the 44, 26 paid of the 26 number people have fallen out already from here. Those are the three items we are discussing. You can call and we will hear from you.

SPEAKER_29 53:17

Hello, I'll remain anonymous.

SPEAKER_45 53:19

Anonymous make your contributions.

SPEAKER_29 53:23

Well, we can only pray for Zambia. I think quite a lot of things are happening that have never happened, even in places like Congo or whatever. I don't know what we're becoming. I think we're really becoming a banana republic. These laws that are being passed are just to disadvantage the uh the opposition, really. People not being able to express themselves. We can only pray, uh, Ambassador Emmanuel Mamba. We really need to pray. And hopefully, there'll be no chance to rig because obviously the ruling party is afraid because they know that they've got no stand, no place. And uh just hoping that it all goes well, no rigging, because really, uh, 13th August, we need to kick the UPND out of power. In Jesus Christ's name. Amen.

SPEAKER_45 54:22

Amen. Amen. Amen. The lines are open. Let's hear from you. Begin to call, begin to call. Let's hear from you. The lines are open. We are discussing those uh issues, and uh, I want to hear your views. Call on the line and uh let's begin the debate. Hello, my dear sister. Uh, good day and welcome to today's program. Queen Pumi. Queen Pumi, thank you very much. Are you following the debate?

SPEAKER_32 55:46

Yes, I am.

SPEAKER_45 55:48

Let's hear from you, my dear sister.

SPEAKER_32 55:50

Oh my god. You know, I am just like, I don't even know what to I'm like in dreaming. Like trimuchi loto. It's like really.

SPEAKER_31 56:04

It's unfortunate, but all I can say is um we are bringing back slave laws. America, that laws here in the slave days where the three people have to get a permit. We used to laugh because I meet in corporate America over 20 years here. Like we would meet at the coffee station in the command for black, three black people then would always make this joke. Like, hey, we have to dispense. It's three black people here. That we are planning something evil. So it's it's it's a money joke. But this is the reality of how people lived here in the United States for so many years. And in Zambia, I think now in 2026, we have this law into law, it's like but anyway, there's always a good side of something with the social media. So let's take advantage of social media. So with this law, I don't even think there will be any public rallies for these um political parties to campaign. They will make it very difficult. Uh, there have been no campaigns in the country in the last four years, five years. So this is just actually cementing any hopes of us meeting um background in form of rallies. The other option people can do is door-to-do. It will be safe. You uh group. So to do campaigns, use the maximum number you can. We can still take advantage of whatever we're allowed to do. But it's just and then obviously, basically, um, we have to intensify our campaigns online. They have no jurisdiction there, they don't own the internet, they don't buy our phones, they don't buy our gadgets, they don't buy us top time. So let us maximize the internet, especially TikTok, because I know Facebook could manipulate, but TikTok is a site where they cannot interfere with the network. So we have to ask Zambia to all go on TikTok. Yes, but it's just like a sad state of affairs. And finally, I just want to say that you know what they can make laws, but they cannot make laws. So are they going to change the Bible? These are only human laws they are making to they are making human laws to oppress Zambians, but Zambians we are free because they are we are Christians. We believe in Christ our Savior and believe that Christ will fight this battle for us, even if they are using these laws. God is above every law. Are they going to heaven and change the laws to oppress us? No. You know, we don't know what tomorrow may bring. So they can make these laws, but let us hope let us have hope as Christians to say God is with us, even by Nelly Moti, the Zambia police. Tomorrow is never known. My we've been to Kutisia changer. Thank you.

SPEAKER_45 59:33

Thank you very much. Thank you, Queen Pumi. Um, hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_14 59:40

Uh, good evening, Emmanuel Mamba. Good evening. Uh, this is Anonymous.

SPEAKER_45 59:45

Anonymous, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_14 59:48

Thank you very much. Um, first of all, I want to give credit to this program and uh this year's election. I think they live in the province are really helping us, and a lot of people are helping to say social media is not making any impact. I can assure you ambassador and the people, even in the villages, they can take any time to move around here. People like Canada to listen to these programs, and the good part of these programs is that even if you miss them at your own time, you are able to follow through. So decide how people get the information it is the social media, even if there is no gallery, I can actually people I just because of these laws that have been passed again Zambian people. In 2021, people attention sometimes what allows things to happen in this manner so that you could see the kind of music, you would have made it as a country. We have made it our country as now that's the problem. What do we need to do? We have been trying for the opposition to unite. I know it has been very difficult even for them to come together because there is imagination that is happening, there's a lot of things that are to happen. So even them, they are confused. They are political leaders, they are political parties, but they are also afraid. Just like Zambia is afraid. It's very difficult. But the thing is, if we allow just one or two opposition parties to go through, I don't think the ruling party will fight that individual. So appeal to the opposition, is that do some sort of ingredient. We need somewhere to come together, agree on one person, agree. Because what we have here is to fight for the country. It's not the person of ambition. This is the country that we are fighting for. So we need one fight to go in, and that is the person that is available. But if we go as many as we can, you find that some will be disqualified, and only weaker opponents will be around. But we need one person, two people that are strong. And when they go through, those are the people that we should go before. I can assure you, things happen like this, and sometimes it may look that I believe in the God that I serve. Our living God is not here. He makes a way where there seems to be nowhere. So, Zambia, we do not need to fight each other. We need to be united, including those that are in the UPNT. Sit down, find out what people are complaining about. Verify the facts. If the facts are genuine, please make a decision for the betterment of our country, Zambia. We have our children that will come and also live in this world. We have this also our own children. We need to build a Zambia that will benefit everyone. My appeal to all the Zambian people is be listening to these programs. Be alert, get the facts, do not just be praisers. No, no, no. Sit down and reflect, get the facts and make the right decision at the right time. The time is not with us. You opposition, we send you to help us as a country. Forget about positions. Now it's about the entire Zambia. Help us, and indeed, Zambia shall be restored.

SPEAKER_45 1:04:26

Thank you.

SPEAKER_14 1:04:29

Thank you so much, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_45 1:04:32

Thank you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:37

Um, good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_45 1:04:40

Good evening. Alex, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:45

Yeah, it's a very sad day for the country. Um, the country that has enjoyed a lot of uh freedom on airspace, on the freedom to gather, and all those things, it's it's indeed a very sad moment for the country, but uh God always has his own way. Right now, there are all these things which we know very well that uh the opposition is being given the right or the permission to gather. So, speaking to all the oppositions, this is uh this is a time that they should uh make sure that they have gadgets. I don't know how they'll do it, but they have to invest into this system so that people can recover. Like what the previous callers just mentioned. People are listening to these programs. The opposition should intensify, invest, that people should make sure hearing. In my view, if these things work, they will even cut a one program, cutters everybody. I know people are used of one to one, but trust me, this can also be against another. Coming to these rules, and if you remember very well. The law of press the procedure of crime and so rest in peace. The vice president Judge Kunda won the PF about this uh uh bill, and today this bill has been haunted the PF. For those who don't know, George Kunda one of the vice president will come and eat you, and today these bills have eaten those that voted for them, and these bills will come and eat the UPL, trust me, unless God is not there. So, as much as it may be a better uh better pill to follow, but we believe in God and God one day will shall save us, and this time is now, but also Ambassador to you directly. Um, because you are speaking to the masses. Trust me, you are here in the evening as you go right now. Five people gathering back my shop hearing to you uh uh paying attention. Yeah, watching you watching this program. I was over maybe going forward because even you you have lost the bimba that you used to know.

SPEAKER_45 1:07:14

May you please start speaking bimba so that you can cut uh but you have a point. Yeah, you have a point. Yeah, thank you, Alex. Thank you. Um expressed sadness, not shock, but sadness at this terrible law that has just passed. My dear brother Father uh Father Pombo has also expressed concern around this bill. Let's just listen to it.

SPEAKER_43 1:08:03

Hello, colleagues. Uh also uh reading on uh the proposal listening also to Parliament, the proposed uh uh bill, which the public order uh uh act uh bill which now restricts the government to the maximum three people at a time and more than three people need the permission of the police officers. Um I was doing some research and I went back uh in the United States especially in New York in the year 1600. You get information uh in the year 1600, or you go up to 170 or 1730s. Uh that time, 1600, 1702, or 1730s, there was a a law called the Black Um the Slave Act or the Black Act law, which restricted the gathering of slaves. Slaves, their affiliated, but uh the war was specifically to contact the gathering of black slaves. Uh so their meetings could not exceed three people at a time. Um, unless they had the presence of a white person, or unless they had the permission from the police officers that was killing the slaves, the black slaves in the United States, specifically in New York. Now, if this is going to be a bill gentleman, this is 2026. Years and years and past countries have learned from the evil act of slavery. Recently Ghana Ghana has won a case where they have said that slavery was the worst action act of human humanity ever happened in history. Slavery. The country of Ghana, the responsibility the authorities are in Ghana have won an international case where slavery has been acknowledged as the worst act of crime in the history of humanity. And now, if Ghana's won this case, our country, how can our country really enact a bill which takes us back to the years 1600 or the years 1702 or 1730? I ask you to reflect on this bill, colleagues, and our leadership. We are asking our leadership to refuse this bill.

SPEAKER_45 1:11:31

That bill is now law. Um caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Good evening.

SPEAKER_41 1:11:43

Uh mkwai can feel cabinet. I mean a Zambia Bala quasha banon. Uh therefore opposition opposition we should, if we have vota, if we have a Zambia forever for it. So, if forever can vote and chapam, wepangeala Inbi mutuwe, I'm a political party, yeah. Apa, epo tuala mwana numba untu mean well for the people of this nation. Gachakwa fiovati nemwevo abantova mu opposition murin tungurufishfu a putungura bantu wino kurubula Zambia Mfu Kuria kuabantu. Bantu bambi mkashala mufilamba, ido mukapona, elobakambo mikonka kubu winabu teki mukabole la mufi fungo. So, Ivena Zambia nga bari la tuonga nimuvecha, bamfu ni mui pangirumba. Bantu mungamu kwate chirumba mutma, mukapona, ero winu tekokawekela. Kanshina imungamufu muten ninga chatchinam mona difinita fili, chteni unite fueba ka vota nifu te imwe muka votani fuevo. Ero nobatwa miwa tichten you night mwambioko la tari kanokanemino. Shifwa nan de fing, but them itashu weba teachinwe chalongatu I care fini to no kuku pokele fintu shukaba wes Lani ifio to re kwa to kupita mukan shinishta weba tabena zambia babuke. Ayama fundemu nerefunde vareshta pia muna nineteen fifty-five, iro abasungu wale steka. Nomba ukatushi ba tu wekasha muna nin two. I don't have a sumutavala isokula tu wekashakuno. So, na tuim fwebena zambia newelanda nenevo youtu. Chanzo ni san Erio Tule Lumbafino wenewa youtufe twachi tile kuri mumwa fiashi. Nga mwamona population yea Zambia forya baba fula, my youth ero naba mayofova na myo women. So, bala taking advantage, kurifova youth. Bakutira tuba influenceduka vote. Nombalekeni miyevech mukole kresho kutira. Ba yusi waliaba vote le last time, na bayusi wala vota ino shitanaba pusana. Ichababa pusanya fintubaba pishamo. We overexpected. We overrated the big man. Nomba panatuimwena. Ukusushe lungu kwenda mo nerilungu na tuendela mo. 13th August. Wala befiya la chinja mrichinocharo. Ba opposition is anyfe chapamo. No kwekatana. Nato traba mwamba.

SPEAKER_45 1:15:40

Thank you very much. Alokola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contributions.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:49

Uh, thank you, Ambassador Mwamba. Senior on the line.

SPEAKER_45 1:15:52

Yes, first and foremost.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:54

First and foremost, Mamwamba, we want to thank you. Because Mamwamba imweila mwana tu Zambia. Ya riamapalo ya kwalesa. Bamwamba, your program is a voice for Zambians. Without you, Bamwamba, I don't know what Zambians would have been doing. Bamwamba, you are a blessing. Bamwamba tule sa lesale m pela maka ayakulanda na bantu. Bamwamba nimwe, tuakala isa. Jefino febba kwin tumi wachila landa. Social media numba, it is our tool. We need to governize ourselves, we need to energize ourselves. Because Bamwamba, without you and many other people that are going to have this time, and that those that are listening, we will not have a Zambia if we vote these people back into power. Bamwamba, if you look at Kawunda Baland, we are now seeing it. Bamwamba, the five years of this MP that we have incoming, it's a claim. It's a claim to the people that elected this kind of MPs. And this is this election is not about electing MPs, it's about electing all making Zambia a better Zambia for all. Not because me, if I vote for the seven, me and my family. For me, I'll come out openly. If you look at all the candidates that we are voting for, in the wandizolu, a Joshua and the David of Zambia. Let's now see. Because above five years, they have failed to deliver on anything good for Zambia, but they have come to destroy.

SPEAKER_45 1:18:08

Thank you. Thank you for your kind words, my brother. Thank you. Alo Kola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:18

Good evening, Alfred calling from my brother.

SPEAKER_45 1:18:21

Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:24

Thank you so much. You know, uh, Gamuana, you want to chingula. So no kuchapio kurivena to change anything, that man can't change. Can't change. And if it's parliament, it's so sad. It's so sad for Zambia. And this shows us that in 2021, we sent a bunch of useless people to parliament. And right now, uh nominations are ongoing in different political parties. Let's choose people who cancel this country over a bow of soup. The best right of this country, they have sold it over a bow of soup. Let's choose people with integrity. Okay? Parliament is serious business. You know, everything that happens in this country depends on the legislature. They resist the law, which regulates how the executive is going to govern this country, and which goes now to the judiciary for interpretation and passing judgments and laws. So parliament is a serious business. Nowadays, even a German judge wants to go to parliament because of gratuity and$120,000 for a vehicle, T VX. And this time around, let's look at the people we are sending to parliament. Parliament, that's not a circus. We have turned parliament into a security, and now they're just passing laws without thinking twice. Thank you, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_45 1:20:13

Thank you very much. Allo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_47 1:20:19

Thank you very much, Ambassador Mwamba. My name is Uncle Jay.

SPEAKER_45 1:20:23

Uncle Jay, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_47 1:20:26

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:27

Um, to start with, we want to put it on record that for the very first time in the history of Zambia, it should be recorded that since 2021 to 2026, we've had the most useless parliament, the most unreasonable, biased, politically inclined speaker of the National Assembly. These people that thought that power can be monopolized and be abused for personal gain. One day they'll start to respond to the questions of the Zambian people. These people have let the country down. They have participated in the destruction of democracy in Zambia without shame. They have sought this country for the highest bidder, without shame, without thinking of what will happen in the future. They have behaved like people that do not care. Since when, since when, you know, in our country, did we ever have bills, 75 bills for God's sake, being passed? Didn't they were they just just reading? Oh, we have this bill, let us pass it, and they vote without scrutinizing anything. What a shame, what a shame. UPND will be recorded as a party that destroyed the country, and there'll be nothing good to remember about them. Whatever you do today, be less assured that tomorrow there'll be a response. Zambians, in conclusion, we are not we are not foolish as Zambians. We are alert. We are alert. The youths are alert, the old women and men are alert. They understand you you may push your agenda using your power, but it will never work. I thank you, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_45 1:22:48

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Today we are hosting People's Forum. Please call. We are discussing three issues. The electoral process, parliament comes to an end, and um the presentation, you know, the schedule that has been released by ECZ to pre-process presidential supporters in the provincial centers. Anonymous, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:42

So that you know, Tata Maputa Kuchipata, Western province, and province now, southern province. But again to what I'm nineteen ninety one to talk with my phone. I want to campaign in area wire. Number transport area in Paris.

SPEAKER_45 1:25:35

Thank you very much. Please call, please call. Let's see your your voice. I've got another caller already waiting here. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:47

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_45 1:25:49

Good evening.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:51

Uh this is Dr. K calling you from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_45 1:25:54

Dr. K, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:57

Yeah, Ambassador, I think the issues that you have brought out today are quite um important, and you have been warning us uh time and time again um to make sure that we we put things in place because when it comes to rigging, rigging does not happen on the actual day when you have voted, but it starts as a process. Um, remember the bill that has been passed in average 74 bills passing through parliament. Um, as citizens, we have not been consulted. We have not participated, you not review those bills, at least to give us a chance to say one or two things on the West of it. It is that one which has replaced the public object. I think we expect it better than what is being placed in parliament. This parliament will grow in history as the most, you know, as the most embarrassing, the most um, I don't know what way I can use my thing to see the things that have been. MPs have not represented the sending people. We think represented not to you know reasons is very, very important. I'm expecting the second independent to the people. So that we can do away with these rules and bills that have been which are getting consumed people. you know, um uh just the bumper, you know, the the politicians. We need bills that will be able to safeguard the lives of the Zambian people. Thank you so much, Ambassador, and good night.

SPEAKER_45 1:28:12

Thank you very much. Alo colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_27 1:28:22

Good evening, uh Ambassador. This is Mamma T.

SPEAKER_45 1:28:25

Mamma T, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_27 1:28:28

Yes, Mamamba. Ah, we program Marita is masana. Greetings to all the callers. Seventy four bills been passed in eight days. What was the right? So I don't have a question for Menaz and why you push up. We saw what was happening in the parliament, the the speaker of parliament uh was always bias. But we saw what happened with the Bill Seven, even against our wishes as the citizens of this nation, they never listened. They passed the Bill 7 in embarrassment or more without even consulting for Fever. Still they were still, you know, voting, passing bills together with the UP MPs abrogating the law, the constitution of Zambia. They don't care as long as it suits them. Meaning that if you took as long as they remain in power, by all means they will do anything. So no mana to mona fascia in the power from the PF government. If you ask them, they will tell you to say no, we brought free education. Free education, and then uh teachers do not even have the materials. And if you check the books of Waba and Arabia free education, you will find that meaning that education and then ababan tubamobene aba to move for four years we were in the dark, we had no power. Suddenly the power comes back. No one is even asking questions to say why were we being low shaded for four years? Why is it that we were in the dark for four years? We should ask ourselves those questions. So if we are background, the background, I have low shibika wino. Your three people should not gather they should have a permit. And then if they have a meeting, they should go and get a permit in three days before even meeting as a family. What kind of nonsense is that? If if you're fiddling, these people are desperate for power. Why are they desperate for power?

SPEAKER_45 1:32:30

Thank you, thank you, my dear sister.

SPEAKER_27 1:32:53

It is wrong. Let us stand up for this country. Let us vote this uh this government out of power so that to lubuki rights are to arishiba lipitana takulifire moneka. But you containers sixty one containers. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_45 1:33:29

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hello, colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_26 1:33:36

Thank you. Good evening, Ambassador Mwamba. Good evening. Money. If you wu te wonwale landa, paw landa, pana pandu pamisa wasa in bi. Kosu kokumri mama opposition leaders, ba membe, ba ke bifu, ba kalawa, wa chalakateka, wa mwamakebizulu, nawampi ko nabampi kona papata, nanomba musi fum Yesu Christu. Ifisi wse kwebina zambia tule landa, wina zambia wasang, bidilawe gibale landa, isiama funde mchalo ba mwana na kuchyalo kumbiu kobaya, teha chingi chwom sanguyu. Nangfedi funde yamu musi, pakti la infumu, ire pela wantu kya kumulavasa kumulasa, kumulavasa, kumulasa, u kwema twaye womba kuibala yangfu. Infumuka ishibu kase ayewa ba kabiro, awantu bay mukundimine valele leno. No, nfumu ive kuchava kabilo. Buche awantubeke rishani mumushi. Kuti baya wumbaku ku ibalakumwandu, mulunguna wu yamulungu, awantwati, bakabilo, bewe infumatika tuwe ba shivi tente, the village headmen. Tubewepuchyama village headman, wakumana chimule munashani, abatiyona twayo yamulung two weeks in between. Bana mayo, na ba shivantu, bachte donate, ify akoya, na kwa sawina kumula sawanfu. Pach tente pash tente we pike. I grew up in a village, I used to see that. A chief consulting his headmen on how other fellow villagers will go and work in his field. Temi ake nygi a pitiya akwiva taniawi, na liku mika wonga, nalikumu emwemdi nti kwa na mw na mwumwa ememdina pawa potuni. So, te kwa ba tisha muna po ych kunadimwona. So now back to the meaning of that. Ba president haka inde amafunde seventy fo yo sevena baita ba chilo bawa ba mpivawu. Kungku shenifimu payam twangu wangu paktu tu kwati sambu shakuela. Uewa ntu meve kala chalo muweva sambina na fuguwa, woko tuwa na kweva shangu na pochotuwa mwapu. Usipa mle yuko kweva ti, ba baantu naba ishi nina, ukupa chungga mchima progress na wima development na wiimu, benga kwachi la po. Aba le chinja na machina yachi musewo kachinga musewo kachiwa sa bigode wishina. Imiya kanemia kapuba zandya national football atimba mide muna yun till three ninety two. Uen Isa m kuchinja at yoni andersoni mazoka. Anderson mazoka ashile. He started UPN D. Well and good. So, kanchi mwa u pnd. Oh no yumuntu. Let them ko project ya uPnd yandeki, babin sevo, utulange. Nga fiva, utulangi, ngama schulu, utulangi, mwitulange schulu free education. Uban tailasta produce by graduates nangamo, nangba certificate or diploma hode nangwamo, iti ni sofinesku curriculum na i chinja, batay kwete produce yet. So chimu tu langi ku lambu. Zen, ifonga mwachta, elumukambio kwinika andason bazo, elumkambio kwinika li mut, elumkambio kwinika. Noti i mwumu na zamku ukupwa umukamp kwa bantu. Tma kwite mumu kamf, twa kwete moko, umukon kele low, idewa neti na sot sana, woji pingo sotiva ilangati eye tabukuwama. Ba mwambampele nwa kasana kambi. U sotile fisuma, ba chivena sotwa de lunga nipafiya lubana. Imu, umaninga tautampi de wino wisom kubika pomuchile pampi la ta filon doloka. Ueneni, ubaya chingyom sewachu umusewani h h lumumba. Imawena zambia. Nam se kumitu nduko mwafuma. Tokwinikuwa na machina vidin mukuchina bambiawa lumebatonga bambiwa kashi bakin sali. Ema mwainika mwwa na nimbiny hatembo wwadia. But here we want to have a road called H H. Lumumba. Lumumumba mukongoli se na if we H H Mutonga wispano Pazambia. So, what's the correlation we went to batsu chalapangika pani e chh and di lumumumba? Tabakwe produce ba kwetinangui muya ktuba yilangemu lumba. O kwela if we put to teni ifalai nikilo yum sebo or chichikunwa or to get to feature you must be kuya kala pa zambia. E tava shia kwatina no mti shuan nani alignment ya chalo ja zambia from ifyaro ne fialo. E paku ya join anen kond weshinesh pantwenatawa shwana where they belong. They have no identity. When if you have fwa disha. Aw we naba firwa. No, mana gunawa firwa. It's also it's also a calling on imwa opposition leader was nachalungula machin. Wanen, nafuwe kala chalona chwona, uku no kwa bando. Butimwe, akato venga mi ingisha, yule fwana zanda tuka chudishok chilamo, kakwe ba tamoikate. But showali, na kumushkumwe suko na fuma. Taku if itang vale fwala, bala mybalilanda ku fala nich tenga t shit. Gavinba kaindevaledika bo mumbe kolo suvale tokanda bono cele fwani chtenge or yu pokina pwa batu nikofine no no no no. Bale fwalef tenga smila, batwale papa, u kuti lachi, then gofet liza ba bala ilemiaka nemyaka, at yikaba two fifty, the pawala baby ya two fifty. If anything, the kwa no ku kwatisa ked yakumanina, wakana patu beseni. Wa twa kwa nanangumuana ui ne mwa ufia. I donomwa le ufyomana wenuwa niosumga malaya tatatu. I donomale ufio mana wenu ali fwala kanabas. Elo mwafia kuita fiala, umwa noyo, naka kwembe kamula, umwa noyo na kanaba siapwa, nomba tampa tropico, ukuya redi, ukuya yelo, amu timu adiofia. Baxba you p and di ukusa yba twa le mite kayu mise playa fidokuba woda. Ba sima no kusina boka tengi akali kyuwa kaku. Baswa kusheka kanaba saka regi na waka blad, uh, da mayo kanaba siapwa, nomba lafwala tropiku ya reju kuya yelo, atina yubwa. Uu, tefio, tefio, ba si woku wambechu ava la kusushek chenksuasu pantua vena zande, wwa sana wa panda mananda pashi rubu natsu mina. Bati imwwa opposition, die to self, ichefeni, wwe sha nyeni, u kamilambula wa mwe mwe ni le sa, u kamilambula imwaba miya kalambula mwwana beno. Pe bafia twansa kana nwte kalatwa. Papa tapantu mfu ni s kach tika. Technology iba pangati chi si balo. Bale fwa isen u kuchima ma shuye swakapute wale tfuya kuno wwakaputa uleputa. A twa lwana mayo no la nkiswa na kwakaputa. Eye eko tuwa wa pantuwe zambi fuma citizen naval e social kada yesu na kwakaputa. So nomba tule tina, ngupita na kwakaputa kumwesu. Munusaka kasu ndewenda na muse thatfioko mu tweta tumushi yu di the sam thing to jeje banda. Nomba jeje bande fintu a lewanda mle kana noksumina. No at shimba k mwibari landide atukaba tue kwalifisoka. It sounded like bachimba uruka. Uh-uh, na jenje banda lenda tukuwa mtu kwalifisoka. So fish mle kanatu free mason yikel eko wwa. Free masonoshi wai sungu. No mba mchina afrika mulosh. Songa itwale wombete mwala zante wasemwaitwa mukupe pomba inuna winu pleading the blood of Jesu klo muml bangwa yesu. Pash pandone pandefia chano jazambia. Nakavale minina, wish nan fum Yesu Chris. Namilomba ni mwa opposition ni wonse. Mwomkatulu la polichi. Otherwise, bala won sewa kakuapa wule milandu ine bakaka kwaf in the full river. Elo naba won seva kun seva lelandago, wakala milunga, kumifu shati shani na shani. Waka putatuany kanya tam kese kuba yupi and diva kwa kaputa mwino. Nakuku inamusari point wino. Ama funda umle kana kuliku kumana watukano na tu panga arrangement. Uga tule ofkiwa no manakoma me to na kumana a family and friends more than three. Eto kale mkufaila uhmy tia kukumana. Ngatu le pangama change gatherings to nakumana more than three. Na by boy yen I let suja we are two or three uh gathered more than that. Elochiva wino. Elo nesa asukuwa ukubapu. Elo yumwa eba swe poking samwa kenaku ba study. It change mwelo ifumga yina conference ya kwa yawa sandisun nyangaku. But wa wa wa freemasony institute yawa i lepang wa cleavingstone, tapalule kata. President ya ka indewa solution we. Na mpamp wave passing I am abuse. It's like mungan then a pilota kwa. Tamle na look ton tonga nyukulala wlehwa b we are going to pass that bill. Mula chingama laws like that. Mla chinja mwe. Now totalamka.

SPEAKER_45 1:43:04

Thank you, my dear sister. There have a lot of calls, but uh our uh our sister from Caputa sometimes I give her time because she you know hello colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_24 1:43:19

Uh hello, Mr. Mwamba.

SPEAKER_45 1:43:23

Yes, yes, please proceed to make your contribution.

SPEAKER_24 1:43:28

Okay, this is Didi Ndola.

SPEAKER_45 1:43:31

Did you make your contribution?

SPEAKER_24 1:43:34

Nice to Papucha could eight bills. Yo ya quiso mafia umads. I to go a lot of finifini. Avantu wata to money to wit. You sa you get fair mapula by sister. Time to pull up, dava. You couldn't sastura nutwan pom sungutavipa. At last minute so is dangerous. Last minute sowas dangerous. Well, quite a son ever, you want sexual, the tries of nachipambucha, a law is solo way or two to you like another salad to sugar, in which kind of sang at one papa. Macanaba in cabinet. Now, if you sell a coffee, must have must have a dead bill. Eh? Avan to Tabakon, Baka Yen Coco, Bakadienama, Chulataka. A galanda, and one lady, you can touch that to you. Fifth plus one temperature temperature plus the eight neo. Uh it's not a bad to now soon, mama. Number one position affecting to pass a desiango nation. If we're toca conga, it's a toca congo. Pantuama CD Lavan. No, you can't put some idea CDF, you know, I didn't put it, you know, I did it. Pull up yourself with the population and my community. Like any cooking for Mambo and Fuku. I put that to hold up. You want some minimum fifty depending on the colour? I want to woman. Oh pay a new moon to report and for to a land of you. But to pay no mutual to refer what you get in to chemo. What you for today, like all the channel. Now we have mini mom sevati.

SPEAKER_45 1:48:59

Thank you, my dear sister. Thank you, thank you, my dear sister. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:11

This is Rusaka, the voice of Mandevo.

SPEAKER_45 1:49:14

Mandevo, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:18

Yeah, um, as usanefi, I've been a Zambia, this we are menzo. If you want to piss, uh Zambia, Tamon Fua. So Mga Chapter Mudwa Tamuna Menzo, but then we move there is no opposition. So my opposition, we should pose my opposition.

SPEAKER_45 1:51:27

Thank you, Mandevo. I seem to have uh I think I seem to have um another caller. Thank you very much. I think I have Honorable Chimba Kambwili. Let's see if he's the one calling. Um hello, caller.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:39

Hello uh Ambassador Mwambe. Good evening, and thanks for this continued program where you are you see within the borders of Zambia, you know, if Tabalino, you've come out to be one of the platforms where Zambians are expressing themselves. And I want to say this to the Zambians. If there's been a year from 1964 when God has spoken to us, has given us all the signs to say the current government is not a government that we should not trust. Is this year? God has given us all the signs. One, when UPND was in opposition, they objected to the situation where the police must be the ones to give permits. They made it very clear in accordance with the Mulundika case that you only need to do uh a notification to the police. Today, they've turned 360 degrees and says no, you have to get permission from the police. They've even gone further to say where three people have met on the street or on a on a public place, it is uh unlawful assembly. There will be no democracy. Let's let para fear all the signs to show us that this is not the right government to go with. I want to appeal to our friends and our brothers in the southern province, northwestern and western. Ukebas you are just being used for personal gain. What have you gained as southern province? What have you gained as northwestern province? What have you gained as southern province? You people are enjoying and they want to continue enjoying. Northern and Southern province, please stay this for what it is. Yes, there was some kind of uh tribalism favoring the people from northern, eastern, and leaving out the people of southern province. But what was wrong under PF cannot be right under the UPND. Let us all, as Zambians, our tribe is Zambians. We are not Bembas, we are not Tongas, we are not loses, we are not Kawanders, we are all Zambians. And let us rise to the occasions as Zambians to unite the country. There's no way you can allow somebody going to a southern province and be saying, Nanafuma poem southern province, mukachula. Let us love one another, let us be truthful to one another. So that when a member of parliament, even in parliament, says there is corruption in this government, they will arrest them at give us the evidence. All this is trying to take away the rights and freedoms of expression from the people of Zambia so that they cannot take governments to account. And I'm so disappointed with the members of parliament who are in parliament today. If I had my way, I would advise all the people in all the provinces once parliament right now. I'm very happy that those who have defected to UPND when they are carrying out their uh uh internal uh selections have been rejected primaries have been rejected. The UPND, what you have done is correct because umga tukawiso atukawish in Bachavinga, Babu to Kamba Mwaichawa and Dimumba Kumufurila, you on Silena wafuba on the side of the ruling party. And the reason is very simple. So that they make money for themselves and their families. And what they give you is what is known as bread crumps. The big portion of what they earn goes to their own families and their pockets. From PF to your PND, mwapelama adoption certificates. If you must televa up and well done, demito tela. Muiba pelama adoption certificates. Let's have a balanced parliament that will have the uh the people of Zambia at heart. No tukulakonka advice, you pnd ambu losing a popularity. Now mm Papa Tamwena Zambia, let's make a decision and uh uh you opposition less unite towards one candidate. It's better to gain uh to to gain uh uh your life, lose your life through wrong things. And mwe won't say mobile mweach wino. Mwale konde ma public order act, www. Elongamfu arrogance, valelandati. If you are not happy, go to court. They are telling you that go to court because they know that kukoti nawa stabo staff wabantubabo. Awakulat nangumwaya, they rule in their favor. Lesa Kape la muminwe, apala mika fie, the onus in all is on us, the Zambians and the voters. Because ngamwasenda ma rights ya wantu rights of assembly, rights of speech democracy, yagila ya fwa. Lesampali ukon dinde vila to see what you p nd has done. Fion saf your badia guest, upi and by that waisa, or repeal the cyber security law. But waisa it's time, hence, times for teeth. Are you safe? Nay mwenbaka laxavenga upsana nwe upi endu absana nabo, nyefi wa stile guarin combo, because kwena kutima mona kutila, garin kombo, kutiumamunakutila mutima, kutiwa munakutila muwanga, awa lessapote and defend you pnde kuchwa sa ba sdefa wa stile lelo. U shutukelam tembo wamuviye, no wakwe wine, upokwa, ukwa lin soke, takwafuilevantu, uwa kwe akwa noko mutan. Our appeal is that let's do the right thing. Umwine watisushi tatila nunka tonfoku numke tisushi. Those who are in UPND cannot see these mistakes. But the people outside, just like the people in PF never saw the wrongs, but people outside saw the wrongs. Is a deciding day whether we agree that we should be a democratic country or we should allow one man, one single man, to be calling the shots and everybody dance to their to their uh uh music. Ichwembachtila, takwa womuntu, uli shengoma yakwe, no kshana le sana takwa. Bambi wa fri the baledi shengoma, elobambi valeshana. No manga muledi shengoma iyove wemu leshana chibembachtila ukakase ngoma siwembachtila ukamina nkon konko ukasila nopfisa. Yesam pali.

SPEAKER_45 2:01:53

Thank you. One shimbakambueli, former minister, you know, and um senior political leader in our country, and he has given very apt, very apt uh advice. Thank you, Honorable Shimbakamwili, for your continuous interaction with this program. We are very grateful. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from name.

SPEAKER_28 2:02:15

My name is Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_45 2:02:17

Mkwaiwa Mayo, London Kwai.

SPEAKER_28 2:02:20

Mkwai, thank you, Bamwamba. Even when you think of not uh participating, but because of uh you know such issues, you just say no, I have to. Anyway, first and foremost, I would like to thank you, Makamwili. This is the voice that we really wanted. And he has come out, he has spoken to everybody, and this is the voice we were waiting for. So I think you're saying that never channel. It's not example we knew. It's not example we knew. We don't know what's happening. Tuami papata tualala pansi tuami anga malova katisa fortuingalanda mashuyad. A pandelanda inenechi wen pum chaisa. Eh. No klega na lekarabapeneva mwamba. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_45 2:05:22

Thank you, my dear sister. Alokola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from, and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_13 2:05:38

Nah, Pawchambila Chakosa be pan to Nature Bobu Pilubia kuch kuchi piribula. Chile piribula shiny. Ich a kwambawa mwamba in animbako very disappointed with the the law uh the law society in our country, which called the law association of Zambia. I first where are these noble men and women who are supposed to safeguard our laws and constitution and all the provision and governance systems in the Chingirila we are and Tashua Chalo Chesuchazambia? Bon summer lawyers Muzambia that fails the Zambian people. Pantu Idobach Mwene Chagu Parliament. What was the law of the law of the lawyers or the society? Fish by no kuchita, which guard dichalo. No beta lenga wa mwambapa, bonsama lawyers Mzambia. Newa tuli mo Tavale Fwa kutiwa poko lawena Zambia. Navale for pokulavena Zambia. Navali ima baita even an emergence meeting, a kokas meeting, no kulande fresh companymenti. Ba mwamba there is no way ba neli mutu twa eve chalo kwewa twakwe te evidence. Ya kwivat amaem piwarista defect ukuyaku you pnd. That was the biggest insult. Numba tatwishive. Nango wale panisha nango ubale statis. Shishive because chemeta fecha icha echa na fecha pawelu. Nomba na twa likuata avantu awa sambinila kwa wanakafu kabungikawa inwa ino recognized as the law association of Zambia. Which supposed to safeguard the institution or the law of this country. Ba itara zi Pantu ba mbi salwa ukuba mumitundu kuku la sapota because inina fmao kuchitunku chakuti inina abamo mu sapota a political party akuti, inemana wa kuti ba mwambechi. It's a very something which is it's a very sad moment. Mule muna to extanastan gulanda because chakulisha. We expect our lawyers to protect this. Butama lawyers that read down the Zamian people. No ba. Eforcha, it wasendame in shaya kava, ule kila atna lamwe kila, yela iname insi, yana se mbukila, ya isa kocha. If isha chti kampariament, iri ve kali la kuntas, chikesa wocha, nomba, kuringa langefialanda wa chimba kambueli, kuringa nawantwa kule kupa belt, tatua ishiomutundu, tatwa ishi womukowa, twa ishio shokutemuanu kuikano kupana, twaikalapamu. It'sa tusambidisha, chaleta, wulanda, ukulamunukweba twa aneli mutti, nana mwamunuwa neli mute fode munika, nava wwangala salomis, nava h they are giving a sign for a certain grouping forwale statis mzambia. Sometimzi, te kwewati, uku kaku kanafiye, kukuwa ba shui, nemichitile inalanga twa likufuya. Noku pocha mutunga ku po shatafuya. File festi compaya me kuwa wantuamo, ku certain regionu kuwa twa mi chita. Uale mlawatu mwali changina noba tuamichita, tamukue tia manka twa wumbu trefogu chita, twa stevo trefogusta balesomuri. Nomb Tabena Zamdewe Shive Mubai Bukwari Mode Kai. Nanisuwa kwesta, ali mwe la tufumuliomu. Tawi saf Iicha pitapa, na wenishka kukonka, awambi wonsawale muna watpantwa mu p di fifio wino. Tabe shive efio desa pekenye kuntaishi. Umu shiku wabo, umu shiku wesu wale, uwa mailo, wwakwa lesa. Nanguson so won so fumutrefu aywobu. Uwishwefu to kana wukuntaishi ni lesa. Bamwamba, it's a very sad day for the Zambian. See, it's even very difficult to describe because it's chichawna ule chalo, khawona urubusuma watovu to aikala, fwambi to afuma ku northern tua uupa, awanagashwaku northwestern, awa tonga wa western province, and we're very happy. If you come into our families, there is no tribe because every tribe in our families there. But to look what Nelly Muti has done, urioma na kashuria Nessa Mupali. I thank you, Amon.

SPEAKER_45 2:11:09

Thank you very much. A lot of people are celebrating the news from Mafinga where medical doctor Dr. John Vuarika has beaten Robert Chavinga. There's another news from um Kabwe where Sidney Mushanga has also been beaten in um in uh uh uh Wacha. So it's um very, very interesting. Like what Shalanda at uh the UPND must punish this defector. So uh so there's news that Dr. John Varika, a long time UPND member in Mafinga, has beaten has beaten uh Robert Chavinga hands down. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_15 2:12:03

Thank you very much, my brother. This is Montumusuko. I'm calling you from Lusaka, Zambia.

SPEAKER_45 2:12:09

Montumusukwa, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_15 2:12:12

Thank you very much. Um, it's very good that the Twitters are being told the last one. Their judgment has come early. I've heard the news from my finger. Very interesting. Well, special salutations to Honorabamburi and for the wisdom he has shared. And I think that this is a man that we need to pay attention to when he speaks. Well, um, we are at a crossroads in this country, but people of Zambia must realize that this is not the first time we are here. Zambian leaders had fought a more terrible regime like than this one that we are fighting now. President Haga in the hit lema President Haga in the hit lema he has scored zero on anything that any government is elected to do. President Haga Inde Ichilema has scored zero on what he himself promised the people of this country. The only thing he has succeeded hundred percent is to destroy all democratic presidentials we fought for with our blood from colonial times. Everything without any shame, without any sense of shame. And what is making him to do all these things is that the man is desperate, the man he knows the crimes he has committed together with his co-host, and he knows that once he leaves that office, he's going to prison because of the crimes that he has committed everywhere. Right now, he is busy Ambassador Emmanuel Mwamba, politicking all over. The man was employed to sort out the Ministry of Health. Ambassador Emmanuel Mwamba, UTH is in a coma. UTH is a is in a coma. If there's anyone who's at UTH, you can call them to confirm. There is nothing. And at the end of the must, you can laugh, my brother. This government has been boasting all over. We have employed the 4,000 teachers, 4,000 hospitals. Go to UTH now. You will find that UTH now is more understaffed than it was under PF. The entire UTH is dependent on student nurses. Student nursing. Who are cruelers? They know nothing. Most of them are from the neighboring countries. They are completely cruel. These are the people who are working. So are we asking ourselves to say now? Where are the nurses these people are saying they are employed? So these are the issues. Management is almost non-existent. These are the issues President Akawing was elected to be addressing. Not for him to be busy to be doing. Why is he so scared if he feels that he has performed? Governance President Daka Inde Ichilema Mdala is never taken like that in Dala. Governance is never taken like that. Because no matter how much you hold on, time will turn to life. You don't take these people have not taken governance in the right manner. So what we are appealing to you, the opposition political leaders, is to think beyond the box. I am telling you that president uh our first president was fighting our colonial masters. He devised ways and means of defeating them. He conducted meeting understand meetings everywhere until we succeeded to get independence. So what is playing, the ball is still in your hands, you as opposed to political leaders. We as a people of this country are resolved. People of this country, including you PND members themselves, they are resolved that President Windows to go. We are just waiting for the whistle to say this is the person that we should rally behind. So, Ambassador Emmanuel Mwamba, they are scarred these people because they know the crimes that they have committed, the criminal activities they have committed, that's why they are scarred. We are using all sorts of underhand. But we are please putting our hopes on the opposition. Our hopes are still in the opposite in the hands of the opposition. You must be able to find means and ways of defeating this because AK fought a much more brutal regime of Mingalato than what we are seeing today. Now, Mikala Wambidi, my brother, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_45 2:17:41

Thank you, thank you, my dear brother. We have so many people waiting. This picture cause. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and give us your contribution. Thank you for waiting.

SPEAKER_42 2:17:56

Make your contribution, Mama Nilenda and let me not suve general of Mapuava.

SPEAKER_45 2:18:04

M Kwai. Thank you.

SPEAKER_42 2:18:16

Umbrandueba T Ava Kate Kaba. Tabate kelebuchalo mundua pie for Alufiana kuya mukumukaka. Naba by example in a chasmini show to ka iselo inselashibi san Why me? Badet to Kushana Chico. Why me that was in my busy? I was a defect to Nanakani. But I can festing upon the body by Javinga Shanghai Bakumacana Babantu. And if I say I was joined a UPNT Babacana. No badquizer. Please opposition. Uh bloke, motto president, former president by Kashabashobala Chiboti. Gataba to the Bamfogus Baba Fu Batima Lunguba Tum Timo Chuku. Pakaba president by Hibatek. Now Bamaluza by Pisha Babishama's party amint for Evanto. True and a Pachava Chalasu. Ever to a few zambium to sh rock and caca. Please left your bate chalu. Ever to refuel president to Cassala Pasetinifi. I come chalo. Not to put upon cabant to Avanto Gabananda Chinchasokula Conca. Please channel take you. I want to get my calamate challenges. But in colourful and upad myself. Please do a papa to a calachalo to lay milba. Then to chance it to epia. But one bag of a chance. But if I lose what you got to share, a banduna fulwa. Even up and de capita to pena po chance empingo by UPND. No in a catek we left my number. So ten to eat to land the Pasar sent to campaign to move for Massulandi. And offerland and I'm going to be a man to Bando Mangamakes and Kupita Bama voice to come up with Santa Mamba Madame Caputa. A pamal but sheasso, she landed fiaso. To cast a manga by sapita. To left my manual. Please go about Mamba.

SPEAKER_45 2:23:08

We are thank you, thank you very much. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_16 2:23:21

But this is from Livingstone.

SPEAKER_45 2:23:25

Make your contribution, my brother.

SPEAKER_16 2:23:28

Uh um well first of all, um, you know, I'm very saddened with the how we have been betrayed by our own members of parliament. Because uh we cannot go we cannot condemn entirely uh present again. Present is the initiating, and then the guys who are scoring are the members of parliament. So now uh one to watch three handu am adoptions 2021 members of parliament. Uh I'm members of parliament, especially from the part of the PF, those that were adopted in 2021. Instead I'm a constituents officials uh never constituents. And that is a time when it's one. After we adopted wrong candidates. These are the dangers of Utungurishwaquista. Uhungushuwa Kwista, the Kudoko winga charokurikonse. Pantwapet I TMP. Abama members of Parliament Balemunakwana Kermungangram Parliament, Mama Millionaires. But the Bogoti Parliament by the Mkupangama Fundax to improve each other. But Pantu ten Tungrushi, Bale Konka Kwadnak, Mukka protect my business, so I would they went to Parliament ignorantly. And this is why now someone is just driving them to do what he wants, not for them to think on their own. Because if members of parliament before Tabarambok, if you have an voting parliament, this is why Ubu Tungrushi, Teru Piayo, Ubu Tungrushi Mutima. And as we adopt members of parliament uh this August, this year, um bako fekuwe karachalo. That is what we must use to do at to adopt our candidates. That was the adopter my candidates have planning up. All those that will be adopted on the on the on from the part of the opposition, they will buy them off. That is their plan. So trefatum to adopt. Now it's time the bambi sorry.

SPEAKER_45 2:27:26

Yes, yes, push and conclude, conclude so that we can take as many calls as possible.

SPEAKER_16 2:27:32

So there's my adoption to send the wanto. Send the want to move. So members of parliament, adoption to put up Sadaman. Then can but you are four thousand police officers. Those four thousand police officers. They are paid using taxpayers' money. And most of them, their gratuities are due. Coming from taxpayers. So for police 4,000. They will be paid from taxpayers' money. So you must we must know that if tax to ready to panisha. So it is a pama adoption. Because it's only on the 11th of August. I mean, 13th of August. It's when we are going to we are going to correct all these wrongs. And it depends on the candidates that we are going to adopt. Whichever opposition is adopting, please.

SPEAKER_45 2:30:25

Hello, Kola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_19 2:30:54

I am so uh touched and I'm not happy with what is happening. You know, I've been following you and I've been following what people have been saying. And I just want also makamwili. You know, I remember the PFU by the last book in government and tami Amasada. What I've seen from what he has said, the past two meetings have had him coming in. He was even, you know, uh slapped by uh you know the words of other people, but he still came back and he you know calmly and explained things. That is the chimbakambhiri we know. The chimbakambili that was there was a very proud man and very arrogant. And you know, he would even you know uh shut you up in front of TV, you know, uh interviews. But this Shimbakamburi I've seen, this is the man we need. And we thank God that the man has grown, you know, in uh maturity, in uh wisdom, and uh also in uh in uh you know patience. We thank God and thank you very much, my Shimbakamburi, for the words that you have spoken. Those words are very encouraging and very, you know, uh educative and full of wisdom. Thank you very much. Now I come to uh what has happened, the 74 bills that have been passed in Zambia. This is not right at all. You know, I remember one time here in South Africa, especially here in Kauten province, what happened was uh they introduced, they passed a law. They introduced what is called Ito. Ito is more like uh tokens. So now Ito was uh, you know, uh added to the tokens in Kauten without you know uh consulting the people of Africa. What the people did, you know, like the government went and bought all the things that still even there now. They bought and everything the cameras are, whereby if the car just passes there, it is captured. At the end of the month, when you go to pay, you know, your disco something, they'll tell you you need to pay the teto. So the people demonstrated, not the government, not the opposition, the people of South Africa. They walked to the uh uh union building where the president's office is, and they said, we are not going to tolerate this, we are not going to be paying this, and we want these things out. And indeed, eventually the government had to do that. Why? It is because of the people. Now, what I'm seeing is, and what I know and understand is you know, president and the member of parliament, they work for the people of Zambia. Not the people of Zambia working for them and not oppressing the people of Zambia. I remember also, you know, uh when Kahounda and his group they were fighting for freedom. For us to get independence, they sacrificed. They said, we are not going to allow this, we are not going to sit and look at these people oppressing us. So it is my appeal to uh to my fellow Zambian people that we should not agree. If these bills are passed, we should stand as a nation. These bills are passed against us. These bills are passed for us. So we need to stand as Zambians and refuse that we don't want these bills. You know, we have been betrayed by members of parliament. Because the way it's supposed to happen, when members of parliaments were told that this is what is going to happen, they are supposed to go back to their constituency and tell the people, explain to the people, oh, these are the bills that are about to come and we need to go and vote. So let the people tell the member of parliament that we want them or we don't want them. But I believe there was nothing like that. Because these members of parliament are working for the people who are in their constituency. And in their constituency, if they cannot reach the people, they are what they call counselors, and they are what they call you, you know, you chairmen. They can go to them, and then these people need to go to the people at the ground and they speak to the people. Then the people who decide, then what the people will say is what the member of parliament now will bring into the uh the parliament to say no or to say yes. But what has happened is wrong. No one was informed in their constituencies, but they went and passed this bill on. Now we need to stand and refuse it. Whether, you know, uh remember in the times of Kaunda and other people, they fought and they were sacrifices, people were killed to get freedom, to get independence. Now it's like we are now going to fight for another independence, for democracy, because these people, what they are doing is destroying the country and taking us back to uh to slavery, which is not right. We don't want that. We don't want Mamamba.

SPEAKER_45 2:36:23

Thank you. Thank you, my brother.

SPEAKER_19 2:36:26

Thank you for this. Another thing, you know, I'm sorry, Mamwambawesu. I just appeal also to uh to to the opposition. The opposition, we need you need to come together. Let one person stand, that we can all stand for that person and vote that person in and vote these people out. This is not right, this is unacceptable.

unknown 2:36:49

This is unacceptable.

SPEAKER_45 2:36:51

Thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you, my dear brother. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_47 2:37:14

Because uh you other things you need action, other things you need action. So I don't want to say many things here. If you have time, please let me uh have a conversation with you.

SPEAKER_45 2:37:30

Okay, Wakalamba. I'll call you. I'll look at your number, I'll call you back.

SPEAKER_47 2:37:34

Thank you.

SPEAKER_45 2:37:35

Thank you. Um, hello caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_25 2:37:46

Yes, my name is Agnes Tonga.

SPEAKER_45 2:37:48

My dear sister, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_25 2:37:51

Yes, please. Umapolen mguaika mwa wombini.

SPEAKER_45 2:37:57

Andakalade mudishani.

SPEAKER_25 2:38:00

I went with um therefore could the previous two callers, especially the one from South Africa, Abachala and members of parliament, you could have betrayed. Because my members of parliament, whoever parliament, in forever for mama constituencies. So tabaku e tensambo, isha kuchita vote for any bill or against any bill, ewa tavala wedakulifwe. For feedback, we presented, to a chita contribute. I seventy four, no, no. They are so broad. Muni education, health what have you, what have you, they needed a broader consultation. No bangi, abandoned, I'm a members of parliament, parliament. So uno moko. I'm a parties won't say. Basale, I'm a member, especially by opposition. Basale, I'm Avantu, Ava de Fuya Chalu, Abalefok Mumbai Avantu. Not if you have parliament, um tonka for the kugishana mukash tekuka. Awe, buti, you know what I'm parliament, my representative, bawantu. Dewusha akade mu md, na lipa constituency kuusaka, central constituency actually. Wa member of parliament at that time bajipak pateo baile vote in the funde, ukufu ukufu mapafu twa mfueni. Nafuebanto. Utuali kalipe. Twali sa ya ku ku kuku TV, no kuba, no kukali pe chinekin. Echakuba twa twe tatuakata na meetingi, ba chana wisitu e voto. Because efor chifuyu kuba, tatufu yoko mutu kila chiyo, erunakabi tu leweku. Abama opposition ni please ikatan deni. Bombe ni chapamo. Ifufueva yuma structures natuikatana, fweba yumu se wuna tu ikatana, kwonsoko tu yumangandama communiti is natuikatana, numba tu efu mun tu mo tu peri voti. Weakanama vote yo tumfu and de pali topani tu e chin tuba mwamba. Bantu gefi avantu valeranda to tebe sri taka mwjuch. Mamu na you member of parliament wakuan chivia. Nala de sint twin sana ifiv. Bantu avantuakulandava wanakwa, wantuna kwa manona mutava verenga, tetu quote ifunde iakuke, kunu te kuuke. That's why tetu o shemoto kakuuke, we could zambia, nanguiza yako zambia tivombe. Tetu, ifundga utakuba tiny womba kuuke, takovati munuzambia kuti ya bomba yoga. We must also think of future leaders who can abuse something. Ival cyber law, you have yeah. But they did not abuse that. Nobamuna UPNG for bachata. That law is being abused of that's why people are running away from this country. No bangachwebangama found the ayah to kova for freedom of assembly freedom of speech. Democracy to a because it's not democracy to weaker wino. But ground the ground is uh papia. I want to reforch in your foyer, quick atana.

SPEAKER_45 2:42:12

Thank you, Maya. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for for for for those words. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_34 2:42:22

Uh, good evening, uh Ambassador. I'm anonymous.

SPEAKER_45 2:42:25

Anonymous, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_34 2:42:28

Yes, Ambassador, if one meant to oppress the opposition. Because I'm not sure, no, they campaign due to security concern. But I can tell you the current president is not a promoter of democracy. He pretends to promote democracy, but he doesn't. And look at what he's doing. Most of the things they should think. You know, we are the good presidents who promoted democracy. May you so rest in peace. If it's the capucharung, and it's a shame. And Zambians elected a dictator. Now it's good that all of us are members of parliamentary point that we shall feel because most of them because they have betrayed the Zambians. So move a Zambia, isn't it Pamu? Because the ball is in our hands.

SPEAKER_45 2:43:44

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Uh, let's begin to wind up. Today we are we were holding people's forum. I notice that every time I have guests, uh, people have so much to say. And you know, when we open the phone lines, people want to express themselves, and that's why I usually hold um the people's forum so that people then can speak freely and they can speak what is in their heart. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution and some kwaima umbad shanifia and make your contribution, my sister.

SPEAKER_33 2:44:31

Who's calling Bambasa Danio nam sonda mina kuchimu?

SPEAKER_45 2:44:37

Andita, when I'm sondamic.

SPEAKER_33 2:44:42

Twachwapa central hospital kukitu. Ido tufumi nemu central hospito, tamach won't tua kunkuluka, batu ebata mwieye pe shizia. Opposite na per central hospito, abare for the bonsemuzambia. Bakae. Bakasanga, ka kemest ku left ku right. Ba shopping more complex yeah new so bakasanga shop butchery. Ya ma Chinese. Uh no di on so lay piti la kutiamuna. But yeah machue visa visa entry. Chile meaning okay mudia mu mo mous mo shop mudia. Death wingokoabula visa wem wine zambia by manual.

SPEAKER_45 2:45:44

Uh my dear sister, make something make something very clear. You are saying there is a Chinese shop which requires or it's a butchery, and they require that you should have a visa to go in.

SPEAKER_33 2:46:01

Nabale mbanaba bikanechi pampa pa chibi bakwate fibi fibi pafibi fionse fibi. Nanchi them beko kwebati, umina zambia, teti engide, ukawabula visa. Nayadama shop, yabo siamukwai, mpia shaku china.

SPEAKER_45 2:46:18

Oh, so they've opened the Chinese shop for Chinese. Where is this shop?

SPEAKER_33 2:46:24

Idi Pantage pa centro, pa centro opposite kitwe centro hospitals. Kitwe teaching on kuto. E mukwai. Udi on saka epo, akasange finde landa. Thank you. Baka mess baba china, naba pele ma bao katushingga nya weneva map kubaka poko na ba nyuba pele miotokanga ni shingale, yachba pa breaking news. Ba mwambe shi winde landa, nangubale sha ba ntuku kampena kampeni kadiobe ba chai deba yupi ndi. Kutu bika mwunfinfi. Kula tu kapisha meshi. Chimwwe mwe kwacha kose kudia tulifi puba ifwe tuli finama. Aba nanangabana kuma skulu kula isanga mumafi. E kampenik kadiba chtileba yupi ndi. Ni kampeni ya kutu tekange finama. Kampeni yon so ybachtileba yu pndi kadi. Yaku tuwi kali kange finama ba imanueo. Kampeni kadibachtileba yupi ndi. Yakuwa naule myeo, yaku njonga abantu ama maini, e ya kun yonga abana, ama maini gabala mukku kuala nama chovero. Bena kuba nionga. Bena kuba tubi nabaka pokokola. Aba sungwa balez nyonge chumacha charo na madam trak naba exkaveta benabantu. Awe twa tote na ba yupi ndi. Twa to tela pami tekere yenu. Twa mwana ba yeshile mofio twa nikanine miku six, mwa twibu k shemiku six. Mwini five yez, tua mwana na makala zienu. Alata mwakachimone chpando chidia. Alata mwa plekare. Ta mwa plekare na mmuch techi shen kuchitumbi chabab mungu. Alabatuche muchibotu. Alata fiya bombe. Mwene zambe sentuika tane. Elo ninte mwa wonza baletu ma papafon, badele sounding abantwama manosana. Kwale batiyota mwa leadership muzambia, alba leadership moyaba. Elo ifwakaunda ba tulenge twa kwa ta opportunity ya kzambila, bene zambetoa de sambirira, abene zambete fobene tanzanetefomene malao. Ifwa fobene zambeto ba yminina. Batuana kumba la to tasha, atli zambia di kwata odda. Kwisaba mwamba iwamika kuchiama ko. Mwali mwana pama funde seventetu baya pasa mubushkubumo, nanfiana de five mubu sh kubumo, ta kuwa bata chatwole ta chalambile kuno, le keli mach tofu bonse, et swa ta tuasumini shekutu kato la. Na batela exam pwikuno palibachabinga, ebach chabinga roba bayamba, bachalingo no ba namboksum bola tabalamati. Glenanda nati zabete yamuntu mote kampany yanakwe. Amana monokobatwebene zameta trifu batula monena. Iini pat one, part two, ta chatanaj tikapo, echa kwebati, amam members of parliament bafuma bafumam parliament bakanokudu shanyabuinu. Yoko e na tuate kwa. Yi shu indeno le lagen, theakwebati, lesani lesa, le sani madio tona embassad, elo tapadi wa shobaga chalabinika. Fwebene zam game sona yesuka pali chalobach tishebek. Tapadi wabape zam. Elo pakakube kwa kuntambo egaline pape kenye fwebe chikalachalo kwa tukala yikala muntambo shobatuko byfuba ba e chirema ta yach tikke. Twa kana mwish navi na kwa yesu Christu. Twa to tera emanyo bamuli momule bomba, ero make bingole umfo. Aubamake bi lesami pale, erele samimi miena kaliri, erele samichiri, elo ifwe, katuri fipuba, amen sopamo, amen sopamo zambi amen sopamo. Nato tera.

SPEAKER_45 2:50:08

Thank you, thank you very much, and uh I'll declare us our last caller. The phone keeps on buzzing. I understand people want to talk, but at least we've spoken for over two hours. Um today was Tuesday, ninth. Uh Tuesday, uh uh uh Tuesday, 12th May 2026, and we were uh tackling various issues. Uh let me close, let me close. Maybe this will be our last caller. Hello, caller. You are last caller, make your contribution.

unknown 2:50:45

Thank you.

SPEAKER_18 2:50:46

Um I just called myself your sister back home.

SPEAKER_45 2:50:49

My dear sister, make your contribution.

unknown 2:50:52

MQI, MC Mba.

SPEAKER_45 2:50:55

MQI.

SPEAKER_18 2:51:01

They must be not they must not be adopted. Once I am opposition leaders, ever catch up live my MPs, they must not be adopted. They must be rejected forthwith. Thank you, and good night.

SPEAKER_45 2:51:22

Thank you very much. God bless you, and thank you for all your contribution today. We had the wonderful program and those people's forum, and I wanted you to breathe to speak. We were discussing the uh the pre-processing process for the presidential supporters, provincial uh pre-processing. They were they were submitting these uh supporters to provincial centers. The program started yesterday. Yesterday, there was Howard Kunda, Charles Chanda, Kelvin Fubewalia, Bran Muntayalu, Munduwile, Given Mwenya Chansa, and Professor Daniel Pole. Of these from yesterday, KBF and Bran Mundubile succeeded and Charles Chanda later clarified. But like I was saying, we may not know whether they also succeeded at other provincial centers. We saw they succeeded in Lusaka, but they must succeed in bringing hundred supporters in all the provincial centers, including Lusaka. The report I've been giving concerns Lusaka only is it to verify whether these candidates submitted in all the provincial centers. Today, there were citizen first president Hari Kalawa, Eloch Roosevelt Tonga, Dr. Sebastian Copland, and Francis Mandona Mwape and Kaswontesi Mwenda. We know that of these, I think only Hari Kalawa submitted. Uh Sebastian Kopland, Francis Mandona Mwape, and Kaswundesi Mwenda for various for obvious reasons didn't submit because he's still in jail for over 10 days, he's been detained. Tomorrow Wednesday, we expect uh Chanda Augustin Katotowe, who's being sponsored by Sean Temple's party patriots for uh economic progress, Kafulamu Wanga from the Development People's Party, Richard Silombe from Leadership Movement Party, and Dr. Fred Membe from Socialist Party. Moses Mawere withdrew. So Moses Mauere will not be able to. And then on Thursday, we expect Makebizulu from the regional party, Dr. Reverend Given Katuta. She's an independent candidate. Xavier Franklin Chonkolo Chungu, former spy chief, um from Liberal Democratic Party, Wheeler Joseph Mdolo, uh independent Dr. Brian Mushimba. Then lastly, the last to submit will be on Friday, Dr. Ritual Siamnene from New Focus Party, Pastor Peter Chanda, New Congress Party, uh Bishop Trevor Muson, uh Selwin Muamba, uh standing as independent, and President Hakainde Ichilema. This will conclude the submission of the pre-processing of presidential supporters in the provincial centers. A process that will withdraw down. Remember, 44 candidates attended the conference, the stakeholders' conference. 26 paid of this 26. We can see the numbers are still falling. And uh, for all of you, you kept on saying that opposition must come together. You still hope that opposition must come together. My dear sister Annie Matipa, we have closed, but you can speak.

SPEAKER_30 2:55:04

Yes, I want to speak in Nanja. I'll remain anonymous.

SPEAKER_45 2:55:08

Anonymous, make your contribution. I'm sorry, uh I could have identified you by the number. I saw that here. Sorry.

SPEAKER_30 2:55:18

Um can I go on yet?

SPEAKER_45 2:55:21

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_30 2:55:24

Okay, Ramuamba in Zakamba, I don't can go animal. In a errone as my onse, my use won't say Nazimbo. Tiene Tikayme, but in so gas, Mungain swa. Tika chose. Dima Tikay, I'm a problem.

SPEAKER_45 2:57:06

Thank you, thank you, Anonymous, thank you, Anonymous. Thank you. Thank you. Indeed, uh, we'll be allocating more time for you callers that you can speak, especially with the restriction in Zambia. I noticed that uh uh senior leader, Honorable Shimba Kambu, is back. Honorable Shimbakambu, did you wish to participate again?

SPEAKER_07 2:57:27

No, I'm mentioning they are they are now understanding who UPND government is and who aca India Hilemma is. We are not careful, and we don't want that. We want to maintain our democracy. And I'll never stop because I care for the people of Zambia. I care for the people of Ron constituents, I care for everybody. When I was minister, even when a PF made mistake, I sat and spoke for the people of Rome constituents. People of southern province don't be used. People of North Western province don't be used. People of Western province don't be used. Um patawali mute moa, to be pi sangu. About one thousand promise because I ran the chinka. Yes, we can long live Zambia. Long live the people of Zambia, long live democracy. Thank you.

SPEAKER_45 3:00:16

Thank you, Akalamba. And that marks the end of our program. Um Chibagamburi has closed our programs with that uh with those wise words. Until tomorrow, God bless you, and we'll speak to you later.

SPEAKER_23 3:00:32

We want change! We want change, we want change, hey, we want to change to the mulilia body.

SPEAKER_17 3:00:50

Why on the big boy, the dawah bomb? The white on the bottom that was on the pot, the dawah bomb, one to like the mouse, to bang it up with this one, why the boy that's the one guest to bank up with this, you want to watch the move that you put out, you want to watch the book of the way, what it doesn't, you miss the whole at the ball up, I buy the pity up, you see the book I don't buy up in the book, but the wall of the pillow, you don't put the chat because it got a little bumpy like we put, being that one, the box, that one, the white one, that one, the white one, that one, one better boy, that's what we're putting away, too, that's what I'm putting, I got the couple, kawaii, couple, kawaia, a baby, the battery, I got pizza, by the box, a bike, by the way, but the wheel, by the chicken, so that's why we do the bottom, no bad way, put it on the pot, that one, but you want the pot, that one, the white, one, team, put on what the first time.