HOSTING JOINTLY BRIAN MUNDUBILE & MAKEBI ZULU

LIVE; We host the ticket of Tonse-Pamodzi Alliance; Hon.Brian Mundubile and Hon. Makebi Zulu 

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SPEAKER_06 0:45

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SPEAKER_04 5:58

Lambi a battery, oops de macaï, pitch. Lambi ascending to bother lampai too. Namaiot à l'Ubut Bayoutambia du bouton Lambezanikato lambioubi l'emacaibi. You wouldn't be the buttons. You wouldn't be the buttons. You would have to put on you. I love independent, we bought that one people. We bought that one people. We bought that one people. We still try to disagree. No tax for the penny. To both have to left fire for me. This guy's bot is to a freedom fighter. They love each other. They moved in one unit. She is blood for us. We can't go back. No, no, no, this one. And we still love each other.

SPEAKER_07 14:27

Joint appearance. Of course, we'll be making joint appearances. You know, at the funeral of the late Archbishop, the Let's Bundwill so rest in the canoe pizza. They're today the king of Indilanda Township. And the Lima constituency in Matero. Where they prayed with the faithful Indi Landa. Um we got Brian Mundwile and Makerby Zulu. Presidential candidate. Brad Mundwile who is leading to the floodbury for the concept comes in a lion. And Makebi Zulu is running. Just the Rika on May 13th. There was that dramatic announcement in the evenings of May 13th. Five days before fighting of Lumination. That um that the Consuland and the Famous Alliance were to come together in an electoral pack. And we're going to field one presential candidate. And one running. And the closed with one. The following day, we had finally wedded. Opening of lumination. Opening. Oh FDD may not be ready. Because of the competition. Before the reprofied. We are reprofied. The office bear. Reflect. The company to play in February. In March 2026. But the candidate for 100 had already played the 100,000. I'd already now cleared the 1,000 support. That was significant conferred. Which is resolute party. Which we made you made 23rd. And for the first time we thought reviewed a new special preport vehicle. What if we did a new special preport vehicle? National reconstruction party for Unity and Post Parity. The conference around this was that. What did it mean? We thought it was if you choose a special vehicle. Oh, political party where you get new political from a new political party. You have to be clear afraid. And then this is at Fred. Our fencals are no longer available. Meaning the provincial fencers were no longer available because they are for everyone to clear between the periods of 14. And they said anyone wishes to find afraid. They have to put the 1000. The 900 from the provincial. The 100 from the four. Oh no, we're going to have the 1000. We have President Hill. What in all running match? We have President Harry. We have of course honorable brand and the Kibizulu under the National Reconciliation Party for Unity and fority. The special purpose vehicle for this Grand Alliance. We have Professor Daniel Poule for 5DP. And he revealed his running mate as the former PS Bec Mushala. And fan to the famous Mushala in the country. So you are revealed running mate to Dr. Daniel. Professor Daniel Chivali. The young man at Antonyobu. And I call him young man because running with your foul in Miriam Band. We have Ritual Fiamen under New Focus Party with Nicolas Banda. We have the former fight. Then we are Franklin Hugh under the Liberal Democratic Party. With his running with Dingifaio Gerald Dingify Zulu. Then we have Reverend Dr. Given Katuta, the only female candidate and independent candidate with running with John. We are the candidate of Dr. Brian Hill. And we have KBF. Like Randy Walker. We are Howard Cool and Challenger Finally. Was the running mate was Chipo Miyova, a young lady that attracted media attention. Dr. Fred Member was leading the People's Pact under Socialist Party fouled in with Dolika Banda as running mate. Then we had Dr. Richard Silumbe and Kamwenesha Kaele as running mate. And then we had given chance Harrison chairway. And uh uh given chance and his running mate, Harrison Chairway. Then we had that dramatic disqualification of the candidature of PPUZ Charles Chandas ticket, which was nullified on account of that he was declared bankrupt and that his his papers, uh the secretary general of the party was not the one listed from the registrar of societies. That was dramatic. Then there are fresh developments in this process. For the first time, all the ruling parties, uh former ruling parties are not on the ballot. You need there is a contest already at registraral society. Bishop uh Trevor Musonda uh Muamba could not file because he he is not represented at the registrar of societies. We have MMD. MMD, remember there was that dramatic change which has been contested by MMD members. And because Dr. Neves Mumba said he was changing the name and that government had changed and authorized the change to a new party as a new name. So MMD is not on the ticket. Then we have Patriotic Front. On this forum, you've been aware of the challenges of Patriotic Front. So in this election, there's an attempt to obliterate former ruling parties. They may not probably exist because an election forms renewal. And other than the banning of PPUZ, the matters could be both administrative and constitutional. There's an issue of Sean Kembo and Augustine Chandra Katoto, which has raised a lot of concern because they changed the status of an old political party into a change organization. And the two Sean Kembo and the presidential candidate Chandra Katoto, we could not file. Because all of a sudden, their political organization was changed illegally to a church organization. And church do not participate in politics. We want to aqual essa Welcome. We have the fundamental broadcast today. Wonderful program of the Alliance leaders, uh, Honorable Brian Munduwile and Makebizulu. Let me retreat to my studio and I see how far we are so that we begin the program. If you have any questions, just click on the questions and I'll be able to see on the tick on there on the on the comments. You can put in your questions. It can help me ask the the two leaders that we are hosting today. God bless you. Let's come back after this break.

SPEAKER_04 30:32

It moved in one unit.

SPEAKER_07 35:03

Share the broadcast. Today we are hosting Honorable Brian Mundwile and Makebizulu. The ticket on the Chance Pamozi Alliance. The presidential candidate is Honorable Brian Mundwili, former cosso MP, former leader of the opposition in parliament and former uh former Northern Province Minister is running it, is uh uh uh Lusaka lawyer Makebizul, former MP, also former uh minister for Eastern Province. They've come together as a joint force. So once an alliance with various political parties and various uh uh NGOs similar uh PF Famosi Alliance, similar, many political parties and alliances, and together they are forming one joint ticket of Bran Munuwine and Makebizulu as running mate. We'll be discussing everything and everything around the issue. This is an introductory program, so we may not go deep into various issues, but I think as introductory, we'll try to catch as as many things as possible. Uh the leaders are just getting ready in the studio and we are going live very shortly. I was just reading to you that we out of 27, 28 political parties that had paid uh the 100,000 and click uh intended to clear the 1,000, 14 have filed successfully so far. And I read the 14 political parties and their running met. Um in relation to this alliance, just five days before we could commence the uh uh nominations, and a day before presenting the 1000, there was that dramatic announcement that Honorable Bran Munduwile leading Tonsey Alliance and Honorable Makebizulu leading PFOS Alliance would come together. There was that evening night announcement that was now that was made, and that this electoral pact will feature one presidential candidate and one running mate, and that they'll share between their special purpose vehicles um seats uh across the provinces, and like any any alliance, any marriage, there are issues, and we want to understand from among we what could be the issues, and the leaders are here to clarify the issues, and I think the leaders are in the studio. Let me just come and introduce them. Good evening and welcome to today's program. Honorable Brian Munduvile and Honorable Makebizulu, congratulations on your successful filing of this nomination. There were apprehensions, there were prayers. The people were fasting, but the ticket was successful. So, congratulations. Let me start with Honorable Brian Munduvile. Good day and give us your introductory remarks.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Thank you. Thank you very much, Ambassador Mwamba. It's indeed uh a very good evening to all the viewers, gentlemen and women.

unknown 38:48

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

We are happy to be proceed. Yes, we we we are excited to feature on your program this evening with uh Vice President Makebizul. We've had a very uh uh hectic week, and of course today we went to worship in Landa. We received the tender as welcome from the residents of Mateo and Landa. So it's been uh it's been a very good day indeed.

SPEAKER_07 39:22

Thank you very much, Honorable Makebizulu. I saw you already working as a team. I saw you at uh the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, and today you were in church. How are you? And uh just give us your introductory remarks.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

Uh thank you for having us, uh Ambassador. Uh congratulations to my fellow Arsenal fans for the great win. For the great win uh good thing to be alive as an Astral fan. And uh coming to what we are here for, it is uh a good relationship that we have forged together for purposes of making sure that we put a united friend in this fight for Zambia, fight for the long loss of independence, at least during these four periods, uh people have lost their rights uh to express themselves. We have uh seen how that governance systems are broken down, broken down to interval uh levels. The judiciary is down uh on its knees, the legislature has down on its knees, the civil service is so compromised uh and politicized, and we thought together we can uh press the research button and do what the Zambians really want us to do. Uh of course you know I was uh coming from the Patriotic Party. Um my colleague had gone uh uh a different way, I had gone a different way, or at least we had gone different ways as here. But we thought it wise that we come together, not putting selfish ambitions out, but in this case being selfless in our push to say, what exactly do we want? And we decided what is important to other Zambian people, and something has to be, and it's for that reason that we said, let's work together, let's have a common goal, and this goal is to serve the Zangian people. I will be a check on my uh my brother, he will be a check on me so that we do what we promised that the Zambians uh we are going to do, and it is in that vein that we said, let's not just talk about unity, let's leave that unity that we've been talking about all this while. And uh, we are here today. Of course, there are uh there are these healing issues that we're experiencing, and we are committed to ensuring that we resolve them, resolve them in an amicable manner that is going to motivate people to get out of their homes to go and vote because the message that we have for the Zambian people is that of liberation, is that of uh making sure that we restore hope uh back to the Zambian people. I was just telling my my my brother to say the the lamp is one of the things that I've gotten out of the bag. Out of the bag. And out of this bag, there's a lot of things that we can't everything that's so we just uh showcasing the bag and we stand around. We're standing on the lamp uh together for the presidential vote. Then the soccer copper, it's the bag, the rest of the country, it's uh it's it's it's the land.

SPEAKER_07 42:36

And all in fact, in fact, Honorable Makebizulum, let me invite the president especially on that matter before we delve into the details. Mr. President, I noticed the crisis already because of course we have state attack. When Tonsey Alliance picked FDD, even when FDD had a genuine conference, they couldn't confirm the material of society. Even at the last minute before your filing, we saw the issues. The crisis that has beset Pep, Sean Temple's political party, is even being attributed to you because they think that probably it was your other special purpose vehicle in the bag. So two political parties suffered because of this. How are you ensuring that uh the teething problems that might come in this alliance do not um in any way derail this ticket and you march towards uh 13th August 2026?

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Yes, Ambassador Momba. The the first thing to know or to note is that um this alliance is beyond myself. It's beyond a constant member. Of this particular alliance is now in the hands of the Zambian people. This alliance has given hope to the people. Now believe a national restoration, a rest of the country. The Zambian people now believe it is possible. So clearly the teething that we are having, we are having are not unusual. Like you rightly pointed out in your opening remarks, Ambassador Mwamba, like any marriage, even at Hassel, you will have challenges. So if you ask me whether or not we expect to have teething problems, the answer is yes. So there is nothing unusual with uh the teething problems that we we are having. But what is important is that uh the two of us at the top have resolved and we are ready to provide leadership to the rest of the members who should respect and understand that this union is backed by the Zambian people. And it is there to restore unity, to restore uh democratic governance, to restore constitutional order. We have embarked on a journey, uh Ambassador Mwamba, of national restoration, national reset so that our people can live a good life again. We have decided that we will not only change government, but we'll also change how government works. Police reform is not enough without um state reform. So if you look at um the number of reforms we are proposing in our manifestos, they point to the fact that we'll start by changing how government works. And this will start with first of all depoliticizing the civil service, it will go to professionalizing the civil service and also having a merit-based recruitment process in the civil service. So, because of what we're offering, it's not expected that every member of this alliance will work towards unity and not division. We know that um the in particular the president would only want to go unopposed. He had demo he has demonstrated this at party level, and unfortunately, he would want to do that even at national level. If you look at the battles that we fought in the past two, three, four, five months. This is something that never happened to President Laka Indechelema once he was in opposition. FDD was our initial special purpose vehicle. They went on to frustrate every effort to change the list of um office bearers. And as if to mock members of the FDD, members of the alliance, and indeed the Zambian people, they only released the changes the day after we had filed our nominations under NRPUP. So clearly, we know up to now, we have information up to now, they are all over trying to find ways through which they can uh disturb what we have created. But like I've always said, the will of the Zambian people will prevail. The Zambian people have hope. The Zambian people are looking forward to having Honorable Bran Mundumile on the ballot together with uh Makebizulu. This ticket, Ambassador Mamba, is unstoppable. It is unstoppable because it's highly supported by the Zambian people.

SPEAKER_07 47:48

Thank you very much. We we clear the concerns that I've seen from both your members, you know, like when the alliances come together, there are still challenges, still various powers of centers, and that's I think what we are trying to put together. So there's a respect for your authority. The candidates that are filed, uh, in many cases, mayors, MPs, counselors, uh, resolute party, and and NRAPUP. I think this has provided concern. Is there a policy direction of what you are going to do about this? And this can be answered by either of you.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

Yes, indeed, Ambassador. There is a policy direction. We were waiting for the end of the nomination uh period so that we look at who has filed where, and against the lists that we had um initially approved, we are going to provide direction so that uh our voters are not confused. We our our secretary generals are sitting with provincial chairmen right across the country uh to assemble reports that we are going to use to make decisions. So by tomorrow we expect that uh this these lists will be with us and to provide direction to our members and indeed to the Zambian people.

SPEAKER_07 49:12

Oh, wonderful. I think that is very good news. Honorable Makebi Zulu, uh, let's go to issues of uh the country. What purposed you, what drove you to join hands with Honorable Makebi, with Honorable Brian Mundubile? Because I think this has been a call on Honorable Brian Mundubile, on yourself and on all the leaders in the opposition, whether it's Honorable Harikalawa, Dr. Fred Membe, you know, KBF, and others, there is pressure on all of you to come together. And this union provided some hope, but others are saying this is a PF alliance. Just answer that question and are there measures to go out to the rest of the opposition so that you can hold a hand.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

I think we're coming from a backdrop where every one of us was talking about the issue of unity. But I think very few were willing to live up to that call for unity because every one of us knows we have something to offer to our country, we know what we've prepared for all this world, we know that we have uh people that believe in us, trust us, and we know that they would rather you take up the top position. That is that is a fact that uh that almost everyone would stand by. However, if we are going to be people that are going to keep our word, to the Zambian people, the ones we seek to serve, to say we are capable of coming together, it must be demonstrated. I don't believe that politics should be without morality or without ethics. I think we all have to live up to our word because a man is only as good as his word. So, in that particular case, if we are going to tell the Zambian people that we will come together and they embrace the coming together, and they have endorsed the coming together, then we do them good to come together. It is no wonder that upon the announcement of our union, you notice how that most of the Zambians, there uh most of the Zambians' hope was restored. Those that said they would not vote in this particular election came back and said, we are going to vote because you have come together. At that particular point, it was not known as to who was going to be uh first and who was going to be second. And in this particular case, we agreed to say, listen, what we are fighting for is bigger than who is holding what position. We have to agree that we are going to have be of one mind. You do recall in the Bible when the the children of Israel were building the Tower of Babel, the Bible says that God saw that they spoke one language and they were one. And he said, if they continue like this, nothing will stop them. So motivated by the idea of being one and uh the slogan of saying together we can, we decided let's sit down, let's save the Zambian people, let's agree on what we're going to do for the Zambian people. And we seem to be of one mind that we need to restore the rule of law, we need to restore uh uh we need to restore the the dignity or integrity of our of our system, the separation of powers. We need to rule that all that. Before all that, Brian and I, friends, we were both provincial ministers appointed by President Edgar Gualungu. We used to sit next to each other, and we uh we did our masters in constitutional and administrative law together. So we are we are that close. We we we know each other in and out, and we know what bothers the other and what doesn't. We know how to how to talk to each other. So in this particular case, we had a candid discussion to say, listen, let us make this about Zambia. If we can agree on these fundamentals that we are about Zambia, I'm willing even to take up the second position so that we can together motivate the Zambians towards a change Zambia. But this relationship is only going to work if it is about Zambia. And my brother gave me his word, my word, and we we are giving you our word as Zambians that this is about you. This is not only a response to a call for unity, it is also a patriotic response to the the the way that our country is to say we need to fix this, and we can only fix this together. I don't have to be on top to fix this. Uh but if we are going to sit and agree to say these are the fundamentals, then we can we can still work together and uh come up with something. That's that is what informed that decision. And uh so far we're doing very well. We agreed, of course, that we're going to field candidates in different places. Uh for Copper Belt and uh Luxaka, we've agreed between ourselves that within this week we are going to harmonize and ensure that in every constituency there is one candidate because we don't want our candidates to be competing amongst each other. We want uh the candidates that we agreed were going to stand to be the ones uh to stand. The ticket that we agreed was going to be used to be the one to be used. Uh, of course, there will be there'll be issues that will have to be dealt with uh where persons uh uh uh refuse so so to comply. And we are we've agreed on a modus of Arangi as to how best we can compel them to ensure that we come together, collectively win this election for Zambia. People that uh are looking forward to a change of government, and they are looking forward to us demonstrating that we are able to agree and can be trusted uh with uh with uh with responsibility to take care of the country, and we'll start by demonstrating this responsibility to unite ourselves before we can unite the country, which is so much divided.

SPEAKER_07 56:07

Thank you very much. Let me turn to the president. Um Mr. President, the burden on you is is is extremely uh heavy. You are the flag bearer, you are carrying this vision for both alliances. How are you dealing with this? Because Zambians are looking for a solution. The state of our country is is pitiful. The state of our economy, the abuse of human rights, the isolation we are suffering in worldwide, the country is in dire strait, and the people of Zambia are looking up to strong leadership. Are you able to provide that leadership? Are you able to form a team to consult with one another? Just give us some insights.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

Yes, thank you, Ambassador. Maybe before I tackle that question, I just want to add to what my my brother earlier said. Your your question was that uh because we are both from PF, and others may feel it's just the a reunion or PF coming together. If you look at um, if you look at um the Donse Pf Pamosi Alliance, we have a number of um presidents that uh did not necessarily come from the PF. I have in mind uh state council Chifomu Banda, who's a president for FDD, he's been uh vice president until the demise of President Nawaki. You have uh President Sakuiba Scota, you have President Naswal Musom Musoni, you have President Nawa Represent Nawa, you have President Bright Musoma, you have President Copuland de Sebastian, you have President Kapembo Simbao, you have President Sinkamba, President Mwenyamusenge, among others. So clearly, this alliance has other people that um came from other political parties. But if you look at um the history of Zambian politics, at one time, uh Ambassador, we were all unique, and then we all later became MMD, at least for those that went into politics early, majority were actually MMD. From MMD, you know, uh people went into FDD, others went into National Party, PF came, and many other political parties. So when you look at the background, you will note that um we we we have a common background as to which political parties we belong to previously. So that may not be the issue. And again, like my brother said, we had to agree on the fundamentals. We looked at what was agent for the country, we realized that um addressing the issues of poverty were agent to this country, addressing the issues of corruption were agent to this uh country. So we sat down to agree on how we're going to fight poverty. We sat down to agree on how we're going to reduce vulnerability for our citizens to make every Zambian count. We began to look at issues to do industrialization to champion uh job creation. You know, we looked at how citizens have been treated uh previously. So we agreed to move the Zambians from the margins to the center of policy and economic transformation, making the youths the drivers of this transformation. So once we agreed on those fundamentals, we said, my brother, let's do this for Zambia. And that's exactly how we found ourselves where we are. So as regards the team, if you look at um the people that we have in the alliance put together, and those that we are talking to outside have what it takes to uh uh deliver for and on behalf of the Zambian people. My job as president is to assemble a competent team, a team that will be able to respond to the many aspirations of the Zambian people. And uh, so far, from the meetings that we've had between my and other people, uh we we we we have we have capacity locally, we have capacity within the alliance and beyond to uh uh assemble a team that would deliver for in on behalf of the the Zambian people. So, what was important uh uh Immanu was to agree on whether we're going to take the country, like I said, uh police reform without state reform has previously failed the Zambian people. So we're going to look at the basic structure of government so that uh even as we come up with new policies, the foundation would have been uh would have been uh worked on. You also note that in what we have put a Zambian at the center, and this Zambian that we have put at the center is not any other Zambian. We have picked on the most vulnerable when we talk about Nakulumutinta Nemise Pelapamakasa, we are looking at uh the most vulnerable member of society so that our policy formulation is informed by the circumstances surrounding uh the this particular Zambian. Imano, you note that uh even our friends in the APND, they they've talked about policies which at the face of it look like good policies. The question that you should ask: why is it that on the other hand, an ordinary person is complaining every day? The cost of milli meal, the cost of basics, youth still remain unemployed. So if at all the policies that they have are working, who are they working for? And that is our starting point. We are putting our people, removing them from the margins, and put placing them at the center of policy and economic transformation so that the policies are not in a vacuum, they're not in the air. They should address the challenges that our people are facing. We are looking at lived realities, so the policies must immediately impact on the people on the street, not policies that um appraised by people outside this jurisdiction. Yes, we've got businessmen, we have nothing against investors. They must invest and get their profits. But what we are saying is that as the investors are posting their profits, it's also good to see Zambians smiling as they would have benefited from these good policies. So, in sum, all we are saying is that our policies will respond to the lived realities. There will not be policies in the air. Whether we are talking about the fight against corruption, we are going to talk about practical steps on how we're going to address it. If we are talking about unemployment, we have come out in the open to say one, we're going to focus on industrialization. This industrialization will start with the mining sector to lead the you know value value, as it were. There will be value chain uh centers within the agriculture sector, tourism sector, and many other sectors. And we know that from these reforms and these policies, we are going to create employment. Immanuel, you know that to fight poverty, you must create employment. And to create employment, you must industrialize. And to industrialize, you must invest. So that's these are practical steps that we are taking for and on behalf of the Zambian people, taking into account the most vulnerable member of the society.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:14

Wonderful, wonderful. I like that last line. It's a good sound bite. Um, Honorable Makebizulum, I think the country is fractured. The divisions um are truly worrying. We are divided by ethnic line on ethnic lines. We are divided other than the ordinary classes that were divided the poor and the rich. But now the divisions have gone to families, to tribes, and many people are afraid of where this country is. What would you, your team, with the leader Honorable Bran Mundwili, do to bring back the unity that this country was renowned for?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:58

We we agreed on the the the bottom line, and we know that even all these policies that we want to bring across will not count for anything, even the transformation that we desire will not count for anything if we do not change the governance structure of this country. It is not proper for us to continue with the kind of government system that we have and expect different results. We do not need to have a system that relies on good people for work and flourish or respond to the needs of the people. What we are agreed on is that we need to work on the fundamental document that we have, that is the constitution. We need a new constitution altogether so that we may have systems that work for the Zambian people, not systems that work for the incumbent. In the event that you have another hacker in the Ichilema. You want him to be governed by a document to say there are certain things that can be done, there are certain things that should be done without necessarily exploiting what the law necessarily is or what the law was necessarily intended to achieve. In this particular case, we do not want a governance system that changes laws to fit a particular situation. For example, Bill 7. Bill 7 was never about the people of Zambia. Bill 7 is a bill that belongs to the UPND. It was intended to serve the needs of the UPND, and so far as it related to dissimilation of constituencies, just so that those that are there and they reduce on the competition that they would face in those constituencies. Has it worked? Maybe not, because we're seeing the cracks that that are there now. But we're saying let's have a governance system where there's police reforms, there's judicial reforms that are going to respond to the needs of the people. You reactivate the office of the public uh protector to be able to do their job and be a check on uh on the systems or at least on officers and government. Reforms in the civil service that are not going to be discriminatory in they have been. Bring back professionalism that ought to be there. That is something that uh we have been looking to do. That is what something that we're going to bring because these divisions that we have occurred in this country have not occurred organically, they've occurred because of politics. They've occurred because uh politicians have sought to politicize uh the civil service. They've thought the the the sought to politicize even our way of life. I never uh had to ask uh my brother what tribe he was because the first thing I saw was a friend. I don't care what tribe is wrong, and I'm sure that's the same issue when it comes to everyone else. But this time around, uh you have to ask or get favors by reason of your name. Why should it be like that? Why should we continue like that? Why don't we spread these opportunities to everyone across the board without necessarily looking at who they are or where they come from? That is very unnecessary. And that can only be done if we are going to change our governance system. And I'm sure everyone out there agrees that we need to have institutions that are strong, institutions that respond to the aspirations of the Zambians, institutions that respect the concept of one Zambia and one nation and not a funny database that exists only amongst a few. And no one knows how names got or found themselves onto that database, and how that database only produces names for people from a particular region. Nobody knows how that uh that that is happening. What we want is transparency, what we want is accountability, what we want is responding to the needs and aspirations of the people. Because after all is said and done, power is temporary. We are going to leave, someone else is going to take up these positions. And that person who takes up these positions should not be the one to determine the course that this country is going to take. We should fashion that in the document in the founding documents that we have so that everyone is just following through what the founding documents desire that we uh that we should take. And that way we're going to deal with this issue of divisions.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:38

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:39

Maybe maybe I can add something there, but yes, please. Yes, like like my brother, uh my brother said, the Zambia is divided, our our country is divided. So we are going to go straight to look at what brings about this division. So if you look at um employment opportunities, when there's no equitable distribution of employment opportunities across the regions, this brings about this this causes division. If you look at um the less the selective application of the law, this also brings about division. So what we have decided, like like we mentioned earlier, to address division and bring about uh unity, number one, we'll be focused on um depoliticizing the civil service, professionalizing the civil service. Once we implement a merit-based recruitment approach within the civil service, we begin to reduce divisions. Once we look at um reforming our justice system, to ensure that we depoliticize the law enforcement system, we depoliticize the justice system and ensure that we have an independent judiciary, we begin to reduce division because the actions of these organs of the state are fueled uh uh you know this uh this division, as it were. At the same time, ambassador, we are going to look at um reforms coming up with uh measures that will ensure that even between me and my brother, we follow the constitution. It's not enough to have a good constitution. The provisions of the constitution must be implemented. How do we make sure that these provisions are implemented? Currently, we have certain safeguards and watchdogs which have not been um uh uh actualized. He talked about the office of the public protector. We also, like in other jurisdictions, will come up with something like the Constitution Implementation Commission. It's a commission that looks at the implementation of the constitution. If at all we had such an institution, for instance, and you look at the provisions of Article 259, Article 259 mandates an appointment authority to make appointments taking into account reversity, age, among others. So clearly, there must be a body that ensures that ensures that all those who should make appointments are making these appointments in accordance with uh the constitution. So we are looking at reforms that will force whoever is in office to be able to follow uh the law. And I'm sure that once we embark on a merit-based recruitment approach, once we depoliticize the civil service, once we professionalize the civil service and uh put in certain reforms that protect constitutionalism, we should be able to narrow the widening gap in so far as uh these divisions uh are concerned. So we uh we are determined and we're very sure that uh we will achieve. Many Zambians, even those that may benefit from these divisions at the moment, have realized that this country cannot go forward if we continue to be divided. So these are some of the areas that uh we'd want to look at.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:36

Yes, indeed, Mr. President, my question to you uh one of them came from civil society because I'd asked people to send questions in advance. They are worried first about transparency and accountability, and they feared that President Hakaine H. Leman didn't declare his assets. Of course, the law does give loopholes in which these assets that are declared to ECZ are never made public. Are you willing or are you going to demand that the assets for all the 14 of you that have and your running mates that have been filed in successfully should be made public? The second item is a fear of our people that we have onset tyranny and a dictatorship, the passing of Bill 7, cybercrimes laws that have literally shut our people, the appointments of up to 50 judges without a proper process and sale of state assets. There are all these concerns, and our people fear that we could have gone so far away to restore our country. Does your alliance recognize the depth to which our country has sunk? I think those two questions they can be complemented by both of you.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:57

Yes, Ambassador. My brother and I sit in a very unique um position. Like he said in his introductory remarks, we we actually sat in the same class as we were studying uh constitutional and administrative law at master's level. So we strongly believe in constitutional fidelity. Ambassador Mamba, it is said the greatness of a nation is judged from its fidelity to the constitution. So for me and my brother, that's our starting point. Unfortunately, it's something that we cannot escape, it's something that we hold very dear. So it's expected that um in so far as um uh uh maintaining and and and and uh maintaining the constitutional order is is non debatable. If we're going to make this country great.