HOSTING HON. MUNDUBILE & HON. MAKEBI ZULU PART II

LIVE NOW;WE HOST HON. BRIAN MUNDUBILE AND HON. MAKEBI ZULU PART II

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

From be translated in local languages, and most importantly, there must be some civic education. People must understand what the constitution is, they must understand the basic uh uh ingredients that will go in the constitution and how the constitution helps to shape society. Once the people have appreciated that, then they begin to contribute to how they want to be governed. Once we've come up with a good constitution, we'll ensure that that constitution is fully implemented. We know that uh uh one of the things to look at that have been of serious concern is, for instance, the area, the appointment of judges. Yes, we we we know that many Zambians have raised concerns. These concerns have not only been raised by ordinary citizens, but even within the profession. So once we implement the reforms, we expect that those brothers and sisters that will ascend to judge should be men and women of impeccable repute, people that will be able to discharge their functions with diligence, with excellence, so that even ordinary members of society can begin to be to rebuild confidence in our justice system, not as the case is today. So, those are some of the areas that uh we'll look at. And uh, as regards declaration of assets, this is an imperative, it's a must. You can't talk about fighting corruption when you're taking over levers of power and you don't declare assets, you don't want anybody to know your starting line. Between my brother and I, we are saying we'll demand that even the 14 that are filed in our declarations must be made public so that two, three years later, the Zambian people can audit. They can audit our assets, they can audit what we have acquired in that period. We cannot fight corruption when we don't come to the table with open hands, with clean hands. So, President Akainde Ichilem has found it very difficult to fight corruption because from the beginning he began by keeping his declaration secret. One wonders why he went ahead, he went after opposition leaders, arrested them, threw them in jail, accusing them of corruption, accusing them of theft, and yet he himself did not declare what he came in with. So it's very, very important that as leaders, not only but even those that to be appointed to positional ministers, should be able to declare the assets like they always do to parliament, and these declarations must be made public so that the Zambian people can participate, can bring information. If one underdeclares and some neighbor is aware of other assets that are not in to come and whisper. We have leaders in government today that were preaching about lifestyle audits not very long ago. The moment they got into government, they abandoned that topic, as it were. So we want to put up a genuine fight against corruption by reforming how the anti-corruption commission works, the reporting system at the anti-corruption commission, but at the same time ensuring that as leaders we maintain so that we can justify, we can justify our assets, we can justify what we own after our term of office or within within that period. That's the only way genuinely.

SPEAKER_35 3:52

Thank you very much. Honorable Makebizulum, you've heard the ruling party bust because there is a decision for an alternative government. But the ruling party has a standard argument that have resolved the crisis of the economy, that they've 6.5 billion dollars in foreign reserve, the inflation rate is single-digit, they've rescheduled the debt. Free education has brought up to 2.5 million people on board. And at CDF as is a resource that has been brought to the local area. And they ask, what opposition, what can you do, what are your alternative policies? Please speak to that.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

See, um it's a mockery to the people of Zambia when you're going to talk about we have 6.5 billion in foreign reserves, all that tall graphs and everything that is going there. And yet our debt has ballooned from about 13 to 14 million uh billion dollars to 26 billion dollars. So if you're going to have a debt of 26 billion dollars and it has ballooned from about 14, what have you done with that money that was there? Why do you have these monies in reserves when you are owing so much? Why, where is that money coming from? Uh, all those questions need to be to be asked. You are saying that uh the inflation rate has gone down. Why isn't it translating to food at household level? Why isn't it translating to the prosperity of Zambians? Why is it that all this talk about life being better in Zambia is only supposedly being felt by those that are in government? It means that there is something that is fundamentally wrong. We are saying can't we have this feeling of improvement in the economy beyond graphs, digits, and numbers, to bringing it down to the household level development is a need for determining the development of the household level. Do people afford three meals in a day today? You argue to say you brought in free education. Free education from what has it become free? People were paying a hundred and fifty quarter to two hundred quarter fees in food, then you say we have removed this hundred and uh fifty quarter or two hundred quarter from the fees, then you increase the price of minimum, you increase the price of cooking home, you increase the price of all these amenities such that all that saving of a hundred and fifty quarter is not helped accounts for them. The very children that you wish to go into school are going back home where there's no food. The very children who are supposed to go to school where uh donors were helping you to feed them, have pulled out, saying that we can no longer help you because you're not transparent in the manner that you you you deal with, you are not accountable in the way that you deal with our resources. At this time of UPND, we have seen how that those that help this country, those that have assisted us in different areas have pulled up of issues of transparency and accountability. The government of the President Hakai HMA has been found one thing. The Americans have pulled up, European Union have with uh withheld most of their funding that they used to help them because of issues of transparency and accountability, and accountability, even when approached and asked to account those that were supposed to be found working are only the slap on the wrist, and the people that were giving you this money, the Americans are saying, Why have you done this? Why haven't you been accountable enough? This money is for the people of Zambia, it's not for those that are governing, it's for the people of Zambia to enjoy, or at least to improve the living standards of the people of Zambia. Now, all these things have been happening because the systems of governance have been weakened. And you will recall, Ambassador, that the first thing that this government did was to weaken the judiciary. How did they weaken the judiciary of the security of Kenya, of all his orders, especially in the judiciary? You weaken them because they begin to be afraid of losing their job. It's for that reason that you have judgments such as the Mopani one, where the govern the judiciary say, Well, it's okay, you can uh uh you can dispose of assets without the approval of farmers. It is because you weakened the judiciary by making it too easy to fire judges that they could even uh refrench on their own judgment. After a four times uh ruling on the eligibility of ECL, they decide to change their mind on the on the eligibility of ECL. It is because you've weakened the judiciary that they can't even declare the Cybercrime Act unconstitutional, because you have this big brother who is watching over their shoulders and who has uh uh made it very easy to fire a judge, and the judiciary itself has not helped in this matter. Because when they were faced with the situation of the GPP and how the procedures that are to be followed were uh akin to those that were to be followed for getting rid of a jack, in their minds they were looking at an individual. But when they dealt with that individual, and that individual went away, the uh the the chickens came back home to root, and they were haunted by their own decisions that now uh someone can just wake up, uh sit uh in the morning, decide there's a prima fashion case, sit in the afternoons, and decide that you you should no longer be judged, and by evening the judge, the president says, Go home. We have to strengthen the institutions of government, we have to strengthen the judiciary, we have to secure the tenure in office of the judges. Then we'll have justice prevail. Then there will be a proper check on the on government on the government. Here they are, they've appointed 50 judges. What was the procedure for dealing with these 50 judges? You know how rigorous the system is supposed to be, you know how that they are supposed to appear before a committee and be interrogated, other stakeholders to come in and talk to them and uh also present themselves in a period of two weeks dealt with 50 judges and questioned, and they're going to sit and determine matters. We've not ascertained where they are coming from and whether they are deeply rooted. We've seen others coming in all the way from ourselves straight to the Supreme Court when there are files that are lying at uh anti-corruption commission to uh to deal with that. What was the rush of getting all these judges in? Unless there are ill intentions of wanting to this manipulation of the judiciary, there's no way you would rush through 50 judges just like that. It is it it wasn't really necessary. So, in view of all these, we are saying let us prioritize accountability, let us prioritize transparency, let us prioritize constitutionalism. This issue of the cyber crimes act, it is keeping most people out of the country. Not because they did anything wrong, but because they disagree with what the government said to put them on the website, they can't come in the country, then they can't get them at the airport and subject them to a system that is designed or rigged to convict them. There is uh Honorable Nagachenda who is facing such injustice at this particular point because even the judiciary is afraid to deal with his matters. It is time to set button. It is time for Zambians to wake up and say, this is not the Zambia we want, this is not the Zambia we subscribe to, this is not what we meant when we said Bali should fix it. Bali has to fix the system. Thank you, Honorable Makebizulu.

SPEAKER_35 13:10

Let me throw the same question to the president, and I know you are all busy doing a lot of things, and we have to release you as soon as possible. Uh, but let me bring in the president on the same question. When you hear the successes that uh the UPND parrot, although the food basket is at its highest, but I say we've resolved all these issues, we've even reopened the minds and we've ended political violence. Just uh answer to that, Mr. President. Hello, Honorable Mundubile. I think my technical team, yeah, can yes. Yeah, I don't know if you heard my question.

SPEAKER_05 13:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I yes, I did. I did. Thank you. So Ambassador Mwamba, uh as uh Ton said PF Pomose Alliance, uh, we believe that development should be felt before it's talked about. So what we have today is development that is just talked about, and that development is not felt by the Zambian people. So when when you look at uh when you look at where we are, uh uh I'm I'm sorry that uh we can't avoid to look at the performance of uh the UPND in the in the in the in in the in in the last five years. So so many things have happened, uh Ambassador Mamba. Let's assume that the UPND got into government and just sat there and did nothing. Where would we have been? If they had just gotten into government, do nothing but ensure that the state institutions are func are functioning, the economy would have actually been better. Because today, Comedy Manuel, you've seen that um the EPND are running a consumption economy because all their budgets are consumption budgets. If I remind you, if you look at the PF, for instance, the the highest budget under the Patriotic Fund was 120 billion. That was in 2020 the 2021 budget. The first budget under the UPND was 100 quachab, which was 50 billion over and above the highest budget under the under the PF. So when we did the numbers, we had done numbers after four years and established that the UPND had approved up to 900 billion quachab in budgets in year four compared to a certain period under the PF, we were around 470 billion. So you've got 900 billion in four years, there was 470 billion on the other side. So if you look at development, for instance, umba, let's let's start with, which is a flagship project for the UPND. Flagship uh the CDF was only 19 billion after four years, that only displaced up to 19 billion quachar. The question that begs 1920 billion from 900 billion, where did the 800 billion go? Where did they spend the 800 billion? Like you said earlier, development should be felt even before it's talked about. We challenged the vice president on the floor of the house to tell us just two projects they had done in the four years that have been in power, and uh the vice president could not answer that question. Why? Because the UPND has been running consumption budgets. Our solution will go for the production and growth-led strategies, will be focused more industrialization, which is enough money in this country to industrialize. So once we plug the leakages, you have leakage. If you look at the FIC reports, within four years, there were up to 10 billion dollars in illicit financial flows reported under the FIC. So let's book, let's book that amount, uh the ambassador. You had 2.5 billion dollars which was owed to ZCCMIH, Zambian government, which was illegally repatriated to some foreign company by a mining house. The matter was before the police, and before it could progress, Kobe Musokoane went and withdrew that matter. You had one billion liability to get there by one mining house, and uh we're told the decision was made, and that company only paid 23 billion. So, you actually just in this floor, even before we talk about corruption, this country lost over 13 billion dollars. So, Comrade Muhammad, let's say we looked at 13 billion this 13 billion dollars and employed it in the economy. Today, we would have been talking about free education not only when it comes to fees, we would have been talking about uniforms as part of free education, we would have been talking about books as free as part of free education, would have been talking about some basic transport, would have been talking about sports as part of free education. So, today the free education that we talk about is only to do with the 200 quads that was removed for fees. I want to put it clearly, we will maintain free education, but we are going to do more under the free education policy. Because, like I've demonstrated, just in the past five years, there's been enough money to do more under free education than the EPND has done. If, for instance, they had put up measures to stop these illicit flows, we would have been able to pay for books, for uniforms, and even transport in some cases under free education. We would have been able to pay even up to 1,200 quadra in social cash transfer per month, as opposed to 800 quacha in in two months. So when you look at the performance of the economy, it doesn't matter what uh the UPND can say today. The truth of the matter, uh Ambassador Mwamba, is that uh the UPND's performance, insofar as the economy is concerned, has been dismal. And Zambians have regretted uh in believing the UPND when they were promising heavens. They promised jobs, they promised lower prices of essential commodities. What is the position today? So Zambians cannot bask in the joy of single-digit inflation, they cannot continue to bask in 5 billion worth of reserves when the economy is performing uh poorly, as it were. So, well from where we from where we stand, uh Comrade Emmanuel Mwamba, we believe in putting Zambians first. The policies that to come up with will be those that will address the lived realities of the Zambian people. How did you expect to grow the economy, for instance, uh Comrade Mwamba, when we had three years of deficits in terms of load shedding? Because government had prioritized export of power as opposed to providing power to SMEs? How did we expect to create employment when our small and medium enterprises were folding every day? So when colleagues come up and they begin screaming figures on how the economy has grown, we ask questions. On what basis? If this economy has had no power for three years, what miracle have you performed to grow this economy? So we we are resolved. We want to embark on a program where we promote agriculture for job creation, and this is by creating agro processing zones. We are going to ensure that our mining sector takes a lead in the industrialization uh uh uh transformation. We'll ensure that uh tourism contributes meaningfully to the GDP. And of course, we all also ensure that we promote the digital economy so that our youths and many other people can begin to uh participate in this economy. And also, tapping on the talent that many of our youths have, we're talking about creative arts. We want to ensure that we transform creative arts into an economic sector where our young people participate meaningfully in these particular sectors. And of course, the so-called Jarabos, the small-scale miners, we are going to formalize that sector. And we know even from the evidence we have from Ghana that we can get meaningful contributions from these economies. So the economy has not performed under the EPND. There is no evidence to show that the economy has performed.

SPEAKER_35 22:48

Thank you very much. Your famous uh illustration.

SPEAKER_05 22:59

If we are going to give incentives to the mining sector and they are promising to ramp up production, it must have a direct impact on Nakumutinta Pamakasa. If we are going to talk about uh improving or creating value chains in the agriculture sector, it's because Kalungish Farming Block in Lunte will employ a number of people in that area, including Abish Kurakana Kulumutinta. So, like I said earlier, we are moving these vulnerable Zambians from the margins to the center of policy and economic transformation. So Nakumutinta is there through and through.

SPEAKER_35 23:40

Thank you very much. Please drink some water, Mr. President, and uh the running mate, Honorable Makebizulu. We'll take some some calls and also resolve some issues. But I think so far, so good. Um, we'll let you go, not make you stay for long, but we'll leave the program for people to call that will not manage to call in this short period. So we'll take a commercial break to allow our leaders to drink some water. When I come back from the other side, let's hear from you. Uh, let's just take just a minute. Let's take your calls quickly. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Uh, thank you, Ambassador Mwamba. This is Senior Nguediani on the line.

SPEAKER_35 26:54

Yes, please be fast.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Thank you very much. President Munduwile, now uh Vice President Makebizulu, to adult, I'm just asking you President Munduwile, Naba President Makebi Zulu, using social media to reach out to so many people, and I have some people that you need to work with, starting with my manuel mwamba. Then in this group, incorporate people like you need to put the family together because we are going to use social media. Incorporate people like incorporate people like Queen Pum, incorporate incorporate people like Tandio Kate Sakoma, incorporate people like Bliss Zambia, incorporate people like even our own sister, who is uh in England, the other one, because social media is what is going to leach out to many people now that we are a family. Let's work together. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_35 28:04

Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_13 28:09

Uh, my name is Alex. Uh good evening.

SPEAKER_35 28:13

Good evening, Alex.

SPEAKER_13 28:15

Yeah, first and foremost to greetings to the two bright men of the land. Uh, my contribution is very questioned, my contribution is direct to them, which are I think we are satisfied.

SPEAKER_14 28:29

We are uh taking the government and uh organization. But uh, there are so many government which has a lot of these on the five dollars.

SPEAKER_35 28:47

Okay, the issue of unity. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I would I'll take quick questions today. If if if you wish to speak more, you can speak after the presidents have left. Just ask the questions so that we can allow them to answer. So, one is on unity, one is on forming a team. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_18 29:10

Um, as usual. Yeah, good evening, Mr. President and the vice. Yeah, can you hear me?

SPEAKER_35 29:20

Please continue. Please continue asking questions.

SPEAKER_18 29:23

Thank you so much. Uh Ramwamba, uh, I don't have any uh question to uh both uh the president. Yeah, I'm just trying to say that I'm a very concerned citizen of Zambia, born and bred in Zambia. Today I find myself in a foreign country in search of a better life to sustain my family and the siblings. Yeah, here I'm listening to both of you who have come from a long way, I mean the two presidents, and you have seen the transformation of Zambia from what you may pronounce was better to worse. My plea to you is uh if you were to become the leaders of Zambia, may you please keep to your promises. Zambians are fed up with empty promises. The only person who is vulnerable is a common Zambian. So I beg you, whatever you are telling us, please keep to that. Thank you so much, Ramanda.

SPEAKER_35 30:40

Thank you very much. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_09 30:46

The only anchor to Zambia. Um my question uh uh goes to uh President Mundovile and uh President Makebizulu. What plans do you have to incorporate the informal sector into our economy? Because I know the women from Soweto contribute so much, you know, but we've not they've not been so much considered in our economy, including bus drivers, bus drivers. Then lastly, um, when do you start uh hitting the ground? You should be done, I believe. By this month, you should be done by you know going throughout Lusaka, begin to go to out, you know, to the outside of Lusaka in these other provinces uh to campaign. I thank you.

SPEAKER_35 31:43

Okay, thank you very much. Let me take two more last ones, and we ask the presidents to answer. Then we'll let the presidents answer and then they'll go. Then you can come and call. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_21 32:00

Thank you so much, Mamumba.

SPEAKER_35 32:05

Alocola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from Abraham Runy Kapia. Runy Kapia, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Yeah, thank you so much, Mamamba. Uh, definitely actually no pantashi. Uh I'm sure uh post upon a woman, I am a position, I'm uh adoptions I require. But won't be one sana. So that's what uh we mingled for an ugly, but it won't be a commercial panty forfect. So I will pay in a pain, I'm chibishing.

SPEAKER_35 33:05

Thank you very much. Allah called, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give your question. Please proceed. Thank you very much. Yeah. People are advising about teams. I think uh please reach out to the leadership and see how you can. I want good questions. Maybe let me take the last two and then we we we we we come on. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_19 35:30

Some Michael Pashima penis party about Kuriba Kuriba Minica.

SPEAKER_35 35:42

M quim your question now, Basuka. I'll come and explain. I'll come and explain. Thank you very much. Uh uh let me provide guidance. This is how we are going to go about it. This is how we're going to go about it. Um, let's allow the presidents to come on. Um, the presidents will answer the questions, then we'll release the presidents, and then you can call because the phones are jammed, and you know there are a lot of things that they are doing. They still have meetings before they they retire to bed. So, presidents, please speak those about five, six questions. And to all callers, please you come and have your say after the presidents have gone. Let's start with honorable Makebizulu, then we end with Honorable Brian Mundubile, and in your answers, you can give your last remarks. I can't there was no volume. You can speak now.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Yes, my brother and I uh agreed on this very fundamental issue. The unity that we wish to foster is not only between myself and himself, but is unity in the country, unity amongst those that feel um Makebizulu has got something to offer, and those that feel that Brand Mundi has something to offer. We need to bring or indeed bridge this gap and ensure that we make this campaign about Zambia. We make this campaign about unity. The cause for unity, we have continued to preach unity. We're still talking to our colleagues on the political scene to say how best can we work together. It is from that that we're saying let us bring together or at least have single candidates in almost all the constituencies to maximize on the number of governments that we're going to have for purposes of effecting the change that the Zambians really want. And uh my my mother did uh call to say we need to keep these very promises that are made uh that that are being made. Because there are people that are in foreign countries trying to earn a living, trying to make uh uh to make life better, not only for themselves but for their families as well. We want that every investment that you put back home as you are working there there is worth it. Not a situation where the exchange rate is not even supporting you. We have a duty to you, as Zambians in the diaspora, to ensure that your investment in Zambia is worth it. But not only do we want you to invest back home in Zambia, we want that when you return uh to Zambia, you will be able to find opportunities similar to what you went out to look for. We want an economy that will respond to the needs and aspirations of the Zambians. We want to protect every Zambian who has uh uh who has able to say what they have to say, uh to protect every Zambian who has a dream to be able to achieve and realize that dream in Zambia. How do we do that? We need your cooperation, we need you to be able to wake up on the 13th of August and uh and vote and vote correctly. Because this time around, we are saying let us let us have a holistic approach towards uh towards development. Let us not rely on good people taking over our government. Let us ensure that even the good or bad people are regulated in the manner they'll conduct themselves, and they'll conduct themselves in the best interest of the Zambians. You did ask uh what plans do you have to incorporate uh the informal sector into the economy? We these are discussions that we we have had with my brother here. And uh uh our line uh uh uh I'll let him tackle that particular point because we had extensive, extensive discussions around this. We had extensive discussions around observance of human rights. And uh my brother Roni Kapia and uh the one that called to say, let us work to have single candidates, we are working on those and we are committed to that. And uh commented on those issues. Uh rest assured that even as you go to bed tonight, we have your best interests at heart. Even as you go to bed tonight, rest assured that we will not deviate from the mission that you have given us. It is not our duty to come up with what we want for Zambia. It is for you, Zambians, to tell us what exactly you want, and you've made it abundantly clear that you need to be able to do it. You need a focused Zambia, we need a transparent Zambia, we need an accountable Zambia, Zambia where you need a Zambia where agriculture is prioritized and the dividends are seen in the economy. Mining uh dividends are seen in the economy and benefit the Zambians. We need a Zambia that is clean and sustainable, and that is what we're going to work at. I will I will I will let the president uh do uh sum up and respond uh uh on these issues that we we we have discussed, as these are things that we've discussed, and I think it's better placed to address you on that.

SPEAKER_05 42:08

Yes, thank you. Thank you, thank you very much. I the the the vice president has tackled um a number of issues, a number of questions that were raised. I'll start with uh our assistant who called from the diaspora. Uh she talked about um us keeping our promise. My dear sister, that is a starting point. The starting point is that uh we are going out the social contract with the Zambian people, we are putting out a manifesto that is a social contract. So, to give you comfort, our starting point you see from our manifesto is that we are moving Zambians, we are moving vulnerable citizens from the margins to the center of policy and economic transformation. What that means is that uh we are actually focused on you, we are focused on the Zambians. We contrasted that with what has been happening. They there could be good policies out there, but the question has been good for who? They may have been good for the investors and but certainly not good for the Zambian people. That is why you have um uh you have reports of a performing economy on one hand and a report of the suffering Zambians on the other. So we we we we looked at that gap and made it our starting point that Zambians will no longer be at the margins, they will no longer be in the margins, they'll be at the center of this transformation. Starting with Nakulumu Tinta. Now, Nakulumu Tinta is a poor Zambian. This is a typical Zambian, a Zambian faced with all the problems that you can think of. And this is the person we're putting at the center of this transformation. I just want to give you comfort, but we've gone further. Like my brother, the vice president said earlier, we've taken a lot of time to also listen. We've listened to a civil servant. For instance, we've been listening to the teachers. Today, you've got about 50,000 teachers. There's a backlog of about 50,000 teachers who require to be upgraded. The salaries they're earning may be at certificate level, yet some of them have gone up to master's level, others at PhD, and there's been no upgrades. These are serious anomalies because, in terms of human development, they've gone out of their way to improve themselves and they're offering a better service to our citizens, and yet they are not being compensated for it. So we'll be very specific. We'll move in in cases like this to make sure that uh we effect these upgrades so that people can be uh compensated uh uh uh correctly for what they're supposed to be. When you talk about civil servants again in general, you we've listened to them, they have talked about swap. They are saying government owes us money in allowances, arrears, leave days, and all that. And because there's been station in terms of wages and uh salaries, we are forced to borrow just to make ends meet. And when we borrow, the the people the our creditors have sometimes even foreclosed on a problem and yet government owes us money. Why can't we swap this debt? Because government should act as a big brother and uh make it easy. You see, what we believe in uh in our alliance, uh Ambassador Muamba, you don't kill you don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg. If you come up with good policies and your civil service is not motivated, how will they perform? You have servicemen, for instance, looking after the country, and then they have a notch adjustment system that does not work, like is the case for the teachers. They they are demotivated, so you don't expect them to provide a very good service as it were. So this is our starting point. And uh one we have debt swap, they've also talked to us about the lump sum payments uh with the pension with the pension schemes like NAPSA. We tried the partial uh partial withdrawal, they've come to realize that many of them actually were not able to use that money because of the quantum men, given the many challenges that they're they are faced with. And they've said we are better off with the lump sum payment so that we can do something out of that money. They are also demanding that there should be flexibility where they're able to switch between you know pension skill without any difficulties. Ambassador Mwamba, we have listened to the farmers. We understand the challenges the farmers are facing, and we're saying farmers have been unable to migrate from a FIC into the interval. We are talking about increasing the quantum of support, but we've gone further. We've gone further to say we are going to activate the 12 farming blocks that are dotted across the country, and these farming blocks we will attract investments, but at the same time, government will do its part in terms of um backbone infrastructure and these uh farming blocks so that they can provide primary employment to people around those areas. And after three years, we expect these farming blocks to be fully fledged agro processing industries, agro processing parks, they should be able to create an average of 30,000 per farming block in terms of in terms of jobs. So we have listened to the farmers. We know that some farmers who are getting support through FIC, others who get support from anchor farmers within the farming blocks through outgrower schemes, as it were. We have listened to the miners and the challenges that are facing. We are saying there is a lot of the it must these miners play a pivotal role in making these mines succeed. So mines are posting profits, yet there's been stagnation in terms of in terms of uh salaries for these miners. To be able to improve the living conditions of these miners, we are going to look at what we're called calling sectoral minimum wages. These are minimum wages specific to a sector. If a driver works for Mopani, another driver works for a subcontractor working within Mopani, their salary scales should be around the same. Because many mining houses have been escaping these uh uh responsibilities by you know outsourcing or subcontracting most of the activities, as it were. So to protect the miners, we set up this sectoral minimum wages. This will be across the sectors, it will even tackle for people like our drivers, the younger drivers, our taxi drivers, our truck drivers, because the minimum wages will be specific to a sector. That way we'll protect our workers. And further, for taxi drivers like somebody at asked, maybe we have set up these minimum wages as government will also come up with initiatives where our youths will be will come up with a scheme where uh we give incentives and employment programs like drive to own so that our youths do not age, do not grow old, just driving somebody's vehicle. They should be able to drive up to some point and the vehicle converts to them. These are some of the programs that we're going to embark on. Uh small-scale mining. This sector will be formalized. It will be a formal sector. Government will get involved, government will do studies where these youths have been mining, governments will take these youths into incubators and conduct some clinics where we'll train them on safe mining, we'll train them on environmental protection, and at the same time, you know, we'll train them on financial management as it were. So, in terms of uh incorporating the informal sector, yes, there are a number of uh initiatives that we'll take. You know that the mining sector is the biggest sector that provides um a major resource to the investors. So when we interrogate, the Zambians are not really getting a good deal, especially when it comes to uh contracts and mine supplies. So we will legislate a law that will compel mining houses to guarantee up to 50 percent business to the Zambians. So the moment we do that, uh the person was asked about um you know, like marketers, the moment we do that, for instance, on the Copper Belt, Copper Belt, Northwestern, and these other places where big mining houses, we'll see an immediate change. The complexion of the business environment will change. For instance, if you have 5 billion worth of business coming from the mining sector per year, 50% of that is a guaranteed $2.5 billion worth of business. Meaning, our people on the Copper Belt and Northwestern uh province, those businessmen now begin to industrialize. Some of them will go into manufacturing or boats and nuts, bow meals, and so on. So by growing the economy at that level, it will cascade down to even impact on the marketeers and other informal businesses. So for farmers maybe selling tomatoes or growing tomatoes through CEC and through uh uh uh IDC, we want to introduce aggregators. We have a number of people that are keeping chickens, for instance. Chickens are sometimes sold at a loss. So we must be able to have aggregators uh where as long as we've kept them well, when you take them to an aggregator, they must be able to pay you off and you go and continue keeping your chickens. The people growing tomatoes, most of the tomatoes go to waste and so market because there's no market. A box of tomatoes costing 200 quacha today, the following day is 50 quacha. We must guarantee some minimum price where the farmers can post a profit. So by introducing aggregators, people who can value add, so government has to play a role. Remember that government is there to help its people, so government can't sit back and see tomato farmers uh becoming bankrupt, people who are keeping livestock, uh, chickens, goats uh you know becoming bankrupt. So government will play a role through uh aggregation, the big brother role to ensure that once you've done your part, government will offtake what you have produced. But at the same time, will ensure that you would have been keeping your chickens uh being supervised by uh extension officers, as it were. So there is a role that government has to play in what in what you're doing. So clearly, I think these are some of the areas that um we are looking at. We are also looking at incorporating the disabled. Remember, even the disabled, the differently abort citizens are moving from the margins to the center of policy and economic transformation. The fact that we are looking at a digitally abort government, we will find our brothers who are differently abort getting into top positions in government because there's something they can do. We are interacting with most of them, and we discover that um we're underutilizing you know some of some of some of our youths. So, um, Ambassador Mwamba, you know, those are the few uh responses that we we we can give. We'll soon start passing sector by sector. We want to host, we want to be hosted on your various platforms where we pick the agriculture sector and we spend another 30 minutes talking about agriculture so that our people can properly understand what we have in store for them. If it's a mining sector, we want in Mr. Pela Kukikonge, Kukanyele, Rai Shivo Kuti, Shiva Tonton Kanyapo, if we planted it to the Fuera by investor wise uh investor fully sumba greenfield. If we invest greenfield, fiddle dump site, we have mr chesu, ish quite in chito. So we want to come and explain to fiennu, mwala to won if you are when we create employment, you migrate into that former sector and be able to look after your families. So that would be my response, Ambassador Mamba.

SPEAKER_35 55:01

Thank you very much. Yeah, in fact, I'll be inviting you know, all of you who have successfully found, we want to hear your solutions. I think the country knows what the problem is. The country is looking for leadership and for a technical assessment. I hope that you will find time in your tight campaign schedule to come back. We'll just come and speak to the solutions. Some of them, I think you've given hints and summaries to what you wish to do. Let's um close this segment of the program. The next one is for just cause, so you Zambians can breathe. So I'll invite Honorable Makebizulu to give his last remarks, and then President Honorable Bran Mundubile also to give his last remarks. Then we will revert to you the callers and will release our leaders. Let's start with Honorable uh Makebizulu for his last remarks.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

My last remarks, I would like to speak to the Zambia. This is a very important year for us as Zambia when we are at crossroads and we have to make a decision. This decision is beyond politics or the usual things that we're that we do on a day-to-day basis. This decision is for the heart and soul of the country. I'm very certain that none of you given a chance would want to live or relive the last four or five years that we have lived for the next five years. These are whispers at your kitchen tables where you are not even able to express yourself publicly. But we say to you there is hope, and that hope should not be lost at this point. Our coming together has been to restore that hope. Where you're going to have a leadership that listens to you, a leadership that focuses on you, a leadership that focuses on what is in the best interest of the country. We have to move from a place where we worship politicians as though we are not the ones who put them in that place to do what we require them to do. And hold them accountable to their word, hold them accountable to the law that we put in place to govern their conduct, hold them accountable even to the very life uh that is said to be the lowest amongst ourselves. As my brother says, Yes. We have to hold them accountable to that extent, uh, and we are willing and open to be held accountable to that extent. Let's not make this decision based on partisan life. Let us let it be about Zambia. It should be about Zambia because after we are done and after we are long gone, Zambia will still be there. The freedom that we are experiencing today, tomorrow is Africa Freedom Day, will be a point of reflection as to whether we have gained much more from the freedom that our forefathers fought for, or we are regressing. The next part of our lives is how do we make life better for that youth out there? How do we connect that youth to industry so that they are able to find a livelihood without necessarily having to look for a job? How do we empower women so that they are able to have a livelihood that responds to their needs? This can only be done if we make the right decision. There are many things that we've talked about on this program, and many other things that will unfold as we go on, and those are just about the heart and soul of the country, and we're gaining it from what the UK we are calling on you to make the right decision, and the decision that you're going to make is to vote Pelam, to vote Pachola, so that we together with you can make a difference that we'll be proud to look at and say there was a time when we thought we would go under, but we worked for ourselves and we rescued ourselves. That is our clarion call to the Zambians, and for all out there, let us respect the issue of the opposition coming together. Let all teams now join as one and speak one voice. Let us put aside our differences and see the greater picture, and that greater picture being Zambia. My brother, we have this responsibility. We have this responsibility to deliver the needs of the Zambian people. We uh that's a symbol of hope to most of them. The excitement that we've experienced today, we were in Ontario when we went to church. Uh, the other day, we were at church at uh the Catholic Church, uh, celebrating the life of Archbishop Ali Panda, and the Zambians have spoken in more words than can be further clarified that they like the union, but beyond the union, they want us to work and respond to their to their call. I will hold you accountable. You will have to hold me accountable. Yes, indeed for the for the Zambian people.

SPEAKER_25 1:00:55

Yes, that's the social contract that we have. Uh, you know, uh yes, yes, I'm back.

SPEAKER_35 1:01:02

I can see the vice president has already done my work. Uh, you can just give us closing remarks, especially on the issue of HOP. Our people fear uh that we may not have free and fair elections, that we have over 12,400 polling stations, and you colleagues may not you know hold government accountable to ensure that the will of the people delivered at the ballot is protected. They fear that you may not be in the 226 constituencies. They fear that although they deposit this hope in you that it may be squandered, please give hope and the measures that you could be doing to ensure that that vote will be protected.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:51

Yes, the the the starting point, Ambassador. I saw one gentleman celebrating the seats that went um unopposed. Uh there were some seats in some region in one of the provinces that um went unopposed. That should have been a source of concern. The UPND attempted five times to stand. Uh President Akainde Hilem attempted five times, and in all those five times, his candidates were allowed to file whatever they wanted to file. Why has it become difficult now? I would like to remind President Akainde Hilema that um we are one Zambia, one nation. If my brother in Wengua wants to stand independent, give him the freedom. The gentleman is uh is on the run because they are looking for him, they want him to withdraw. What kind of democracy is that? Many of our brothers in some of these areas that are traditionally strongholds of the UPND were intimidated, they could not file. Those that managed, we asked them to file as independent candidates. Now that should be a source of concern, and it's indeed regrettable that um the government that we have today could take this democracy to its lowest eb. It should not be the case. Let's be fit to compete, let candidates file, let candidates compete, and let the best man win. Yes, look at what happened to our dear brother Garin Combo. Garin Kombo, uh, when I served as uh government chief whip, he was the pillar for the UPND on the other side. They called him Mazembe. This is the gentleman that would um fight battles on the floor of the house. He contributed greatly, and everybody knows that. President Again De Shema knows that. We all know we respected him as an opposition leader. We were equal to the task, we allowed them to do what they could do. We did not expect that a day would come for a comrade in combo to be treated like that. A comrade Muamba, whether Gary Nkombo is UPND, he is a Zambian, he remains my brother. I have the right to speak on his behalf. And many other brothers that were hacked, beaten, all because they wanted to participate in elections. And this is the reason why Zambians are now concerned whether you know these elections will be free and fair. Of course, the elections will not be free and fair, Imano. That I can tell you. But what I can say also is that the will of the Zambian people will prevail. Zambians have decided, and their decision is that if in 2026 they can beat up their own members who are merely trying to compete, imagine Zambian people directly. If you give the EPND another five years, what sort of a country are we going to have? If their own members, it's in is during um the uh internal elections, you saw how many fights erupted within their structures. You've seen how many fights have erupted during the nomination process. In our case, uh Ambassador Mwamba, there have been issues as we came up as an alliance, but there's no way we are going to get reports of uh people uh you know welding pangas and uh hacking themselves, uh like the case is with the UPND. So the UPND must understand that this is about the Zambian people, including the members of the UPND. So the very fact that been scaring away candidates, they've been intimidating candidates wanting to stand, has made a number of Zambians insecure. But I want to assure the Zambian people that your will will certainly prevail. You have to stand firm, you have to fight on and ensure that you go and cast your vote and defend that vote. Together, we will provide. Leadership. My brother and I, being in the front, will provide the leadership to see to it that we send people to those constituencies and will of course appeal to the international community to ensure that there's presence at every polling station so that uh you know they don't uh they don't get away with an election that is uh mad with violence, as it were. Soamba, it's a fact that President Akainde Chilema firstly did not want any of us to follow. It's also true that uh he does not want any parliamentary candidates to compete with his candidates. So that is constructive admission of failure. Because if his people had performed, like they were saying Quenu and Sotsana, they should have allowed other people to compete. Why are they jittery when they've been reporting to uh delivery of up to 95 percent? You can't deliver up to 95 percent, and you you begin to you you you begin to parry off other candidates from from from standing. When you have delivered up to 95 percent, you should be you you you should be the most comfortable candidate sitting. Your parliamentarians should be the most most comfortable now because president knows that his government has failed, he knows that these the people from their strongholds are now coming up, they are ready to change their representatives, they're actually ready to change government, they are supporting an alternative government, they have come to realize the promises the president was making were mayor promises that did not deliver it. So, to the Zambian people, you asked my brother and I to come together. We did just that now. Is your time to deliver your part of the bargain, and your part of the bargain is to make sure you prepare your voters' cards, begin to speak to your neighbors. Spread the good news, tell them what we have in store for you as youths. Talk to them, farmers, miners, small-scale miners, civil servants, spread the good news, prepare to go and vote, turn out in your numbers, there can only be distortions if you don't turn out in your numbers. If you give chance for some people to do their bingalato, but if you turn out your numbers to go and cast your vote, there will be no chance, and our belief is that yes, in some cases it will be difficult because of the areas where this will be, but the overall vote will definitely go against the UPND. So, lastly, I just want to leave you with four letters uh uh H O P E. That's what we stand for, H for hard work, O for open government, P for a people-centered government, and E for economic transformation. That's what we stand on as an alliance. We look forward to meeting you in the battlefield, we'll bring the message in person to your areas, we'll spread my brother and I will be in different directions very soon. I'll be in Mugobodu, he goes to Kalumwange, also I'll be in which all over the country, we'll be in Luampa, we'll be in Kalumwange, we'll have to come and speak to you in person. This would use so we're very grateful for this opportunity, Ambassador Mamba.

SPEAKER_35 1:09:25

Oh, wonderful. Those are the leaders I was um hosting today. Uh, thank you very much for the opportunity. I'll release the leaders and I'll begin to take your question. They'll be listening to you, but they will not be on the platform. So let's take a commercial break and then we come back. I take your cause. We were hosting Honorable Makebi Zulu from the PF Pomose Alliance and Honorable Bran Mundwile from the Tonsei Alliance. Together, they have the Tonsei Pomose Alliance and one ticket. Leader Honorable Bran Munwile and his running mate, Honorable Makebizulu. If you have to contribute, this is your time now. And let's get the program started. The lines are open. Let's hear from you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_24 1:11:20

Yeah, Baba Mwamba, uh not which now leaders deliver this message to them. What orders are they going to put deliberate to compare, especially with transport sector?

SPEAKER_35 1:11:45

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_24 1:11:50

Yes, yes, yes, okay. Can you deliver this message to the to our leaders? Which are they going are they ready to come and uh put a policy delivery to come and compare these uh some some transporter? Others are doing fine, but the others.

SPEAKER_35 1:12:10

Thank you, thank you. Let's try to quickly take as many calls as possible. Alocala, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Yes, hi Ambassador Mamba.

unknown 1:12:22

Um, my name is Katumbi.

SPEAKER_35 1:12:25

Katumbi, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:12:28

Thank you. Uh, with the coming of MZ8 and M uh Beer Maid, the future of our country is now clear. Because what we've seen in this um uh during this nomination, we've seen that the UPND used to accuse the opposition being violent. But now the opposition is not there because from them, from their thoughts, opposition is not there. So the people are doing that. It's a UPND. Look at what happened, what happened to Gary Ngombo. Garin Kombo was attacked by their own the nephew to the president. The president has failed to come up and condemn that. The only thing is Vadabambi. Who is Vagyabambi? Vadia Bambi is the president and his sequels. These people are doing it to disrupt the elections of Zambia to make sure that they continue. Look at us what has happened to Trevor Mwinde. Trevor Burn has made sure that the people who are standing again against him are not standing. Why? Because they are cowards. These people are cowards. Hakainde Ichilema is a coward. And I urge the people of Zambia. Let's stand up to this dictator. We take him back to 1960. 1960, 1950. Because Hakainde Ichilema is a dictator. We have to make sure Hakainde Ichilema goes back to 1950. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_35 1:14:17

Thank you very much. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Just a minute, I put you on speaker. You're not on speaker. Just a minute, mama. Yes, Mama. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_20 1:14:59

And I'm sure they are they are listening wherever they are. I will thank him and I want to tell him to say his future is very bright as a leader of this country. We shall surely tell his story to the people, to the young ones, so that they know what kind of a leader that Makebizulu is. He's a leader who is very humble. He's a leader who thinks of other people rather than of himself. And then coming to the alliance, I just want to urge our president, uh President Mundubile, to say an alliance is an alliance. Let's work together to liberate this country from the hands of Hakaimde Ichilema. Our goal is to liberate the Zambian people. It's not a joking matter. People are suffering. When you ask this country, when you ask the leadership of this country, they will tell you to say we are lazy. Some of us we've never been in markets, we've never collected money from markets. But that is the answer that they will give you. That's what we want. Let's work together in unity, let's separate this country, let's restore the dignity of the Zambian people. If a few more Zambians, if you are scoring me, then it doesn't benefit any Zambian. Those are the questions that we need to ask ourselves. I am a right to wine for six months. Once we make a mistake that was made in 2021, we are new.

SPEAKER_35 1:18:45

Thank you, Mamathi. Thank you, Mamati. There are so many calls, Mamati.

SPEAKER_20 1:18:52

Thank you so much, Raman.

SPEAKER_35 1:18:53

Alokola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_25 1:18:58

I'm calling from the Cooper Belch Ambassador.

SPEAKER_35 1:19:02

Yes, make your contribution, yes, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_25 1:19:07

Uh, when it comes to trading, business in trading, we have seen that uh the cross-border traders have been robbed of their business. How can you give trading business to people uh from other countries selling uh secondhand shoes retailing? So all retail traders, those that used to go uh outside Zambia to import goods, have been uh swallowed by these people from other countries. We can't name them. Where are we going? It's just that the president, we have seen that all the cross-border traders, don't have what to do, they are they've become destited. So we should ensure that the incoming governments bring in manufacturers. The production sector in Zambia instead of foreign people to come and invest in manufacturing, they've invested in trading and they've taken away jobs for us uh local people like that.

SPEAKER_35 1:20:24

Thank you, my brother. I think we we get you about local jobs that should be retained for local uh local people, especially in the trading sector, uh ambassador.

SPEAKER_25 1:20:35

Yes, okay, okay, and not only that, if even bank loans, the interest rates for local uh uh business people are high. What is President Munduri and President Makebu do to reduce the interest rate so that we Zambians borrow from our only banks? We can't benefit loans, we are able to borrow Kalova.

SPEAKER_35 1:21:00

Why thank you, thank you, thank you very much. It's very clear. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_16 1:21:10

Good evening, Mr. Mwamba. Good evening, nanima Anonymous, make your contribution, tell you unit. What's mwava kwaiko, sha niba mwamba showa showa? Well president apovakalo keshe po kuzeko pa andu zesko, ei wumba, kuma saloni, kuma baba shofu, kuti tones i tomle pangas cream machine na mwana fingre business inikova mwamba. Numba umsango waku chutidi a zeskofu ya nina. Zesko na inina ba mwamba te to tem. E no ba mwambana isakuri ba makebi. De breasty, ukuiche fiamji nkusma mumu aliba fiambo from the weddigo. I love the heart for makebi zulu. Katunga kwa chabantu benga ba nanggu twenty. Aba banga makebi mcharo mutima. A u tichawa masa na mwesa. The breast you are Joshua, Moses and Joshua. Bamundubide, esam peda yenamanu mukwete. Mutwadi yoku bomba mtua di yoku ikata. Fama ekatana pama wukobabidi. Efu mule enda. Tampulo. Murifavu. Ba mundu ra mutite. Mfunde, ifuba mwamba bafunde nomba fwama followa. Ya ba mundubide naba makebi. A ba ba mwaba baku dayasku la fiaba ba vina diz. Ifwa tu mine paku titewa ta twini nepakula landa landa wwa landa kualanda. Tatuimini ne pakulanda landa. Ukulanda landa tukule katurasov me chintu chimu. Ukulanda landa tawa tu sovuimu wala tife wwam pokula pange u koku tali wani shurife wino. Ah, wow, wow, tefu to titafia kampe. If autu chita mute katima, ifekate nefu toale fwa twaale foku san, et chatika. Echo tu pokele na putilasana to tortila. Uti lesa, twam totila, twa kula twa di jokamina in mumueleza, and two electionika piti. Uri um tima bakuete. Eona isa kuri violensi mutaruwa mwam. Bama bama angel zia kayekale sa prophesai. Ye kayekafeta pati na umbu ka kutiba puma noko badiku postrong orja w ba no baba luleta na mutawu. Baaluleta kuchita siba pangwa sani wele sawko abramwa baba intu. Awe, the sangale so kola putimuala leta nafe to remina kristu, abumina krystu sano lettefakuti tfia wumisol, the sale samkuleta fichaba fena pofida tu letila so kuti andisana tuila. Siava so kolokilaveka. Nende romboko kuri mwa nandi bosa le kwa tomu tima wonse forba tumapa forwa ikatano sutua i katane fine tushwa no kupusanto kulande chin to chimu. Alone to twali yokulande chin to chimu. Alone to twadivenokufukama. Ama kufi kaya firuapo. Ama kufiataya firuapu fessinadia kwa. Yes, please to miractowa wana shu sefia kakakana. Thank you, mwam.

SPEAKER_35 1:24:45

Thank you very much. I've got so many callers waiting. Let's get this call. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_23 1:25:13

Landento in your chimbu sech kalamba Zambia Nwa isan sech kalamba san Pantwa government yava imitofole United Party for National Development. Kuya Bebe. Avant Chula. I want to ware yulika day and night. Mula duakalova. I'm a lending institution. All corners of Zambia. Teachers where Ikuika, I'm a nurses, but Ikulika, Pamela Dunga Congo and the Rama Mona. I always ban. I want to follow my zero zero pessim. Government feel a few.

SPEAKER_35 1:26:09

Thank you, Mario. Thank you very much. Thank you. Mama Chica Monica there. I'll call her please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_17 1:26:17

This is precious Enumenta from Livingstone.

SPEAKER_35 1:26:20

My dear sister, make your contributions.

unknown 1:26:24

I'm happy to hear from both of them.

SPEAKER_32 1:26:27

And uh I've heard them very well at also Branundouin. So, me, what I want to encourage them right now, like the way they've explained, and we have seen the support from the people. So honorable President Branundou. Me, what I want to say is as we have seen all of that, both of you are being supported by the India. And we don't want to see that in Tawa. Because if we just see them that they power, then you know that uh you would be able to see the wiki. That's why we support it. I'm going to support you. And I will support you what I say. But I don't want my vote to say that after I vote I vote for you, I see again by UP and D in power. I just know that easy else which is is going to deal with you too. Thank you very much. God bless you.

SPEAKER_35 1:27:48

Thank you very much. There are so many calls. Let's uh be brief to allow as many people to to to say what they wish to say. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution. And stamma benny.

SPEAKER_19 1:28:06

Babumbafe to cast a chlom for finachalandia. Mko finiana. Bamakebabidi. Chakwebati fina manda. Filef filef mapash pamtima pame, that to lefwa pantashi ukupusana, uh uh pantu ababa yu pendi. Basenda pepa na bap the miti mayufwebebantu, tabasenda. If wala misapota, no kuvota tuala voda. Nokwina mala wina. Tulele koba twa pokenabanem manu mamba palea poti de la kuisa. Batena tulenumban chimcha kwebati. Efina mlela na banto. Ama promis mle pena. Eba mka bombelepo. Eta to defona bou lefinaban bale pomfuka tama kato mungga fifte quacha, batuleto bunga pa fifte qua. So please to papama promis mle to penale, ema mukatu bombele. Ifina fuma paniba blanduvile. Twelfumbalumba in sele. I'm ale sapama blanim munduvile. Bale co kulatan sele macabisu please to papata. Ban papapa na mwigata nowomon tuomo. So bombele chavach Zambia, ukola chikatani, bombele chapa mutu muntumo. Bamba mumbe no labu no. Voice and night um.

SPEAKER_35 1:29:35

Thank you very much. I'll call a please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. M Kwimwabombeni.

SPEAKER_17 1:29:44

Mamma ke Mamma Ke calling dinu saka.

SPEAKER_35 1:29:47

Mamma ke make your contribution.

SPEAKER_17 1:29:50

Yes, Ambassador and Okonduela Kona wa BMW MZambaba. Miniwakambawa BMW MZ, De Bamikachi. Not Mameti Putikiwa Ambassador that Mabutu Oceana siana to come twenty twenty one pick up in Hariso, Mamungwatiya design at zero three. And a kupita was a bit of branchabita. Ah, Makebizuba PM eight in Gatiwa President. Mukativo. Notify Banacita Bis Bakuza, the price at two fifty. Uh backup vice president at the machine. But yeah, I have a priza. Mukachita vivo kupia maka baba. And the mukachita evo, zakunduisa mari, azaka kumbuela, nipo seni zapangu azaku dagisani puna manja pacisani kudala. Isapiti rapomu. Bali pose familiam kala, bali pose familiam muenda, mungwasakuizani, mukakuela moto kamkawela mob drive mkuru in murungu. Bali posa mina mwenda. Bangel bazin kara so guluba ziva bari mwe, ba MZ eighty, no BMW. Nipotoseting Kari Sabu Guizana. Tika Gwizana was even designed abuino. Satanas as a bizar chance Yabuti Angi nibu. Give me Nikamba Ambassadas home.

SPEAKER_35 1:31:43

Thank you very much. Thank you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from. Yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:51

Thank you. Um a quick contribution. Uh, by the way, we am very excited to see these great leaders, the sons of the soil, uh, you know, articulate issues and explain, you know, the things that we Zambian people have really been yearning for. This is the leadership that we are dreaming for, and this is the leadership that God has responded to us to. Uh, my call basically is on all those that are still outside. I mean, things show where people's hearts are. Let them quickly join this team. The opposition, those that still, you know, are still outside, join this uh this team so that together we can uh progress. In conclusion, Ambassador Mwamba, I have a proposal. Uh, the president did touch the issue of uh expanding free education. Um proposing that let this free education be also expanded, especially when it comes to tertiary, uh, and just have a threshold. For example, those that score eight points, let them go directly, you know, to these institutions. There should be a policy that is going to guide and provide that free education to those uh, you know, blends that we have. Let us harness them. There is no country that can develop without an educated community. So there are those that score very high. Let it be automatic for those government provide everything away from the usual bazali that is full of corruption and other things. But let it be an automatic pathway. If you get eight to six points straight to the university or even private institutions, let there be a policy that is going to guide this. And together I believe we can make progress. I thank you.

SPEAKER_35 1:33:40

Thank you very much. I've got a caller waiting here. Just uh hold on just a minute. So please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Hello M Kwai Baba Ambasa Mwamba, when I chakwera, tuakwatawa. Mkwai, Mkai, you are very clear.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:22

Okay, Paso Twakatawa Kate Kawasa brandu vide and our vice president to make Zulu. But let's on Inga Lomba, Kokun Tungu, Niban to Avade Konkawa Makebi, then Navadonkawa Munduvide. Tumonokoati, Twa Bombe Pamo, Twaikatana, Pakati Findu Fi Twendelawino. Then it's a kuri mob because you were very instrumental, to Ambukuta kuwa opposition ne wa tampu zapamo. Uwine, em to botufiwa na wena. Then you koncern fibe onkwete, nashafu ku shako, nangu ku kuishba, ifo chingaba. Tene conse ni reakuribo, emako party utu kwete, e inga resolute party piana, then tu akwata na rabi, yea ra mundu. No mba konceni onku te ako chaku wati party, let's ma tari minem kopa belt vari patola. Then tualanda twa presdenti valipa pe raiti. They pushokowa tu seta chambi kwata complication because anala kidero, to a shingaku campaign because my empty's once abacancerazi. My mini nafebapa, then sa parish to a lapita. Bambi Abu Badishara Pwa is a quatabu t see when Baba ambassadors nefia sharp. Because as we speak ambassador, campaign to shoop. Not quata emp and patchola. Then to pata president, but I paddya pay right. Awakalam, but awakala channel stand, fika shooper. Because I want a party, then be right repository, Matanga Tempi Mamu vote. So I call Seni and Yomua Fiyashi, Kutumwai Dole Kesha, because the wakalam baby Navakala shoopa. Navanti value no baku right nature to vote ashan.

SPEAKER_35 1:36:35

Yeah, I think the president's answered that the secretariat are harmonizing and will be issuing both the announcement and also the guidelines to what happens in that case. Alo colour, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:55

Ambassador Dande Konumba M Kassad Umbagofi in a quick atana Why in the Quick Atana Ambassador callava from a papa. Ama cancer by MP, Sata, Matawla, Numba Venako structure, by chin javi cape right. If you have shakes, one bookungurushi, perfect to re random. Awava quatamas food space on your vengeatung to share and danichish. Before in Tungu station of prevention, initiative, but step a step down. Uh, my instructions, but you feel that step down, in Shwa for a very zombie. No bangaba, one book, tour on our voice. So next step of encouraged, but once you are ambassador, I won't forget to run.

SPEAKER_35 1:38:46

Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution. Yes, Oscar.

SPEAKER_31 1:39:01

Yeah. Uh this is um good Nesovo having a country which is democratic. It gives rights to people to speak out. Okay, and what our brothers and uh um dividendabamakebo is just from doing it is just that it is just confirming that people are voicing out. So, what we are surprised is that there's some people who are calling our president a dictator. I'm talking about the president of all Zambians today. Do they even understand the way the dictator, someone who is a dictator? So for me, my brother, um the two comrades that are just from you are just from interviewing, they are just they are just pushing the doors that are already open. If this is the message that they would take to the people, or the message that they will preach to the people, uh kind of for foods using the message American Velap, they are going to lose terribly. Because Zamians are very much aware the foundation which has been raised uh by this government and the president.

SPEAKER_35 1:40:26

Thank you, my brother. Thank you. Oscar supports President Akainde H Lemon. We let him speak, he says his views. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:45

Uh Mr. President, good evening. Uh um, my short contribution is Mr. President, we are very happy uh as your supporters uh that you too you found it okay to come together and work as brothers. Uh this is not about one individual, this is about the nation. Your unity means a lot to us because the time you were in different angles uh and the varies up. So with now this coming of you together as one, we are assured and we are surely knew that uh we are headed for victory campaigns twenty-six because as Zambians, as youths, myself and my youth, we have suffered at the hands of this government. We have seen they are negotiating what it has uh landed us into. We have seen whatever they are they were promising us as youths, what they have felt, and we have seen that there is nothing that they are going to do even uh even if we can give them another five years. That is why it was the nation, the national core that you two people can work together. And I'm only urging my fellow youths across the nation that has blind the candidate of President Blanumdubi and his vice president uh honorable makemizou. This is Mumbum Zasuna. Thank you very much, Ambassador Momba.

SPEAKER_35 1:42:28

Thank you. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_29 1:42:34

Ambassador, thank you for the opportunity. This is a Zambian diaspora. My dear brother, make your contribution yes, uh, thank you for the opportunity. Listening to the two honorables, uh, they give uh a breath of fresh air, like uh every election in Zambia. My advice uh to them is to focus more on what they will do for Zambians and how they will do it. If they talk about uh reforming the civil service, what are they going to do about those appointments made by them, right, in the civil service in order to actualize the reforms? They will be responsible for appointing law enforcement agencies. What are they going to do to ensure that the DEC is objective, the ACC, the police are objective? I want them to focus more on their message than on the failures of the UPND. We know that the UPND has failed. The Zambian people know that the UPND has failed. But what is it that they are going to do different to uplift the lives of our people? We are endowed with natural resources. What are they going to do about uniting the Zambians who have been polarized for the last five years because of regional appointments? We also need a foreign service that is professional. They must be brave enough to ensure that whoever is appointed has the right qualifications, has the right uh integrity and the right knowledge to ensure that Zambia is sold and Zambia is played on the map in the world that this is a country that can actually actualize its uh growth ideas and growth agenda.

SPEAKER_35 1:44:45

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_29 1:44:46

The people who are resolved, and BMH MZ8 will be in state house. Thank you.

SPEAKER_35 1:44:53

Alokola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_22 1:45:08

Uh Loma Wadi Wadi 22.

SPEAKER_35 1:45:12

Wonderful, my dear sister. Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_22 1:45:16

Yes. Now you know Pamene Matita ni aba president wa plantuvire. Naba Makebi Daiko Nkavon sepame bakam. Ababa fantunza bo kutipumura ma problemsame tapita mwamuli five years. Uru no rubu to zona kwati, tichokemu film kiti bore mutu. Ewa china mababa mwamba. I mwatabu, kutitin kale clarify dipamena papanemu mwamenum accordingi, ma candidate by mira babi babiz. At rest basebenzene bot wone batipasa ma candidate very popular background than vinach tikka last time. So, in a nambenabunukuliba running metabadu ba bamba makebizulu na ba president Bamunduvire, ifetiri kumbuyo kwanu, ground ye kupiakudala bosa berera mumbuyo, bavo de bewonekelapi hundred percentu forming a government so that mbumti sungebu, I am vutu aneta pitamuria babantu, uh stifuna kubera ma vuta mori four years, five years vanita pitamu. So ba president Bambibire, bab vice president Bamakebizulu, pitirizan is so chabi. Naposhakona wamaya mumbipiroko pitirizan kuti pushing love into so golo. Ndeo kamba ko kwanga ziku.

SPEAKER_35 1:46:36

Thank you very much, thank you very much. Hello, colo, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_30 1:46:44

Hello, good evening, Mr. Mwamba.

SPEAKER_35 1:46:46

Good evening.

SPEAKER_30 1:46:48

Yes, Mr. Mamba. Uh, this is from from Zambia.

SPEAKER_35 1:46:55

Francis, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_30 1:47:35

It's like Rombako president in Gavai Sava Bran, Papa Tangale for Fun Grande. But to pair the color for my uncle drive for Bakatiwa. So that's a reasonable three step benefit which do I need to find a wambia president of a brand mundovile, Makeb is over vice president. But message very for Kumfu. I think by the kumfoufi message, but uh brand mundovile by the Romba. And I am a driver, Nabapa President, but for Movistic, especially before we taxi driver, Mamma. I ratchula, not to chula mumfa. So to a papa to remember president, but perma tua, so that by young of the pata. But conditions valid, Tamanina Chula. Natchula. So trembacoa president, but perma, but to have to my angle driver. So that to quite hope. Because a power and number to catch station because to Arida governments have to afraid. Number to catch station, so Narumba, please.

SPEAKER_35 1:49:13

Thank you. Thank you. It appears, thank you very much, my brother. There is an issue with truck drivers and an issue with younger drivers. Uh, here I know the leaders are listening, and there are various sectoral leaders are listening. They should provide an answer to that issue. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_24 1:49:34

Hey, Ramwamba. I just wanted to also disagree with the previous gentleman. If we do a limine, to a limit zero four. I mean, I mean image the uh Yama cardava in PF. That's why. That is uh that day last election. We wake up to 04. They may solely skip this.

SPEAKER_18 1:50:15

He did even send the soldiers to man the the the the the the the the the polling stations so we mutunga left disagree with that gentleman putness transport mutual send a kofia mutu kayakwe just because those are the policies the the my the the our president was talking about when you come I'm going to change when you vote for me I'm going to change this narrative that's what he was telling us but what's happened former transport minister is there uh doing nothing so three H Tangumbena on thank you very much thank you hello caller please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution but I would love to go anonymous anonymous make your contribution my contribution is simple like this uh ambassador how are you I'm very well I'm very well please switch off your other device I'll switch off there yes make your contribution my contribution is this uh to President Makebe and as well as President uh Mundubile one of our two leaders in the country that we simply admire to this my request is this please uh we've got issues around here not only on the proper belt or uh in other things we have a challenge we have our court more than more than three or two people contest in one position look like in Kitra or you are able to see a councillor contest in this position representing uh uh resolution party and as well as uh national consultation party please I'm requesting from these leaders would you find a situation where you are able to be to to to to come up with one uh candidate so that we can be able to consider because has and when parliament starts you need to have majority and arrangement so it is not too late you can tell these candidates one to withdraw so that we can be able to support another it is it is not too late so that was my contribution I'm just requesting from them so that things can be able to move in a better way we we are not too late thank you thank you very much thank you I'll be taking the last calls allocola please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution yes I'm calling from Chingola Chingola please make your contribution anonymous yes ambassador sometimes me I wonder the people support U B and D if they are really under witchcraft like Omanibujusi Banda said how can somebody just come and say like it's not a a man full of uh kind of administration that man is a very bad leader he's the most most failed leader ever seen in the history of this country he has failed to leave this country he has failed to talk about the lies even on the move is a man you can even talk about to vote about any normal human being on earth even if it's his own wife cannot vote for you that man has failed to let to to to to to to let this country since since we got independence have you ever seen Zambians potential Zambians officials men of caliber living outside the country like it's happening now all of you supposed to contribute in the country governance you are living outside the country even if you are under opposition we need you and we need you to provide advice to provide to provide help for him to run this country effectively he just go and pick us who are now going to beat their own people on public like the other beating Daring Gompu look at the fragrances in Chavul look at the fragrances in the in the Karmbilla go to Kitwe go to Kameluchi go to everywhere there is confusion be that the government we can bring back again in the power no no no no no we are so happy that uh honorable Makebizuru and honorable blandubiridi have come together the wind is straightforward we are voting for these two people come 2026 13 August the government must stand we need freedom of doing business freedom of speech freedom of doing everything don't ever living now we're living like you were claiming in your own country our brothers are being killed in the Congo there the president is quiet is saying nothing people are being killed every day with young uh taxis if nothing is quiet then you are saying like you are going to vote for a kind of when I hear people talking about that kind of me I feel like I can I I can beat someone thank you sir vote if you don't beat someone hello color please tell us your name and where you are calling us from mwamba you know nameless I was not supposed to come back nameless I will come back because I'm yes I've been so much pushed by the gentleman who came to talk about the you know sort of like defending themselves yeah anyway sensitive I want to educate this mister I hope is hearing is there is listening the mister just go and Google and find out who is a dictator I'm going to read out for you a dictator is a rural or political leader who holds absolute power over a country typically and constrained by laws constitutions or elections they usually maintain control through the use of force intimidation and suppression of civil liberties now what are the key characteristics absolutely authority total control over the government military and legal system suppression of oppositions elimination or head restriction of rival political parties the free speech and the protests have your head thank you thank you shako thank you some of us we suffer twice because of our problems people can't just be come out and start talking about the things which they don't even know we know what we are talking about go back to school you've got a free education thank you please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions call about the young development of your number called mother much the campaign but so let to show good for muletula not to show some letter number two she's gone out of my way this government has to go we can ask not to tell them quite thank you my thank you thank you very much for your contribution hello cola please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution good evening um mine is just mine is just a question um and the honorable um president basu but where how many seats have they managed to fill in my constituencies for MPs and also I'm a council chairman I'm a mayor because what we are reading on the media is very worrisome statement hello my dear sister there is a statement that was issued by from the secretariat I think by by Mr Zuman Zimba he has said the allegation that they they they missed 75 seats you must have seen that there's a clarification of the number of seats they filed in they filed in in almost all the seats almost almost not all but almost all so look for that um clarification I also look for it maybe I can read it before we go to before we close but uh there was a clarification a statement that came from uh uh Zuman Zimba okay please please find it because it's very very worrisome very very worrisome and the number was so alarming yes no I think that was a clarification thank you thank you my sister okay thank you okay thank you please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution good evening uh good evening good evening ambassador good evening my name is the anonymous anonymous make your contributions yes calling you from dollar uh I want just to contribute on two things on the adoptions of members of parliament which you I know they have already responded but uh I want to talk of once one seat in Nimba North you find that Nimba North the candidate who were adopted who was adopted by the NRRPOP was engineered by the chief who is a supporter of UPND so the idea we did the Ningalato so that the UPND they can have a weaker candidate on the opposition of the our concept so leaving the person who is popular with Ruben Chombozulu so later on I know Chombozul has fouled now under RP but I don't know when they are doing that if they will remove Ruben mark my words and when it comes August 13 we are going to lose the person who is popular let them send people I called even the young brother to Mulovide in Bolocoso I talked to him over the same I know I've got his number but that's a number which I think the police got it's not going through the number which is using does I don't know he knows me and I know him personally I want information about this.

SPEAKER_35 2:03:06

So what happened is I got someone in go and find out on the ground and they found out let's see if we have volume we lost volume temporarily I'm taking the last five phone calls and then we close thank you thank you uh please tell us your name and where you're calling us from yeah I can mention menu yes anonymous make your contribution yeah yeah yeah please by stage could be very cheat but you put it mirrand to wonder about some coverage what must you want a manumba tengo good be an um the time the time was a ticket yes colour please tell us your name and where you're calling us from I'm taking the last five calls no thank you my name is I'm calling you from Dallas Texas uh sorry I came in in the conversation I just wanted to ask a question to our president and the vice president how well are they going to protect the votes if we we are fighting these people who are so cruel and with a lot of cutters who are injuring people do we have people who are going to protect the votes that's my question because if they can do that to Mr Gary in combo I don't know what will happen to the opposition in all polling stations in the rural areas and in everywhere in town everywhere thank you thank you thank you alocola please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution make your contribution yes yes my my question goes I I think it's the same question with the lady who's just coming from Katoombi here again.

SPEAKER_21 2:10:02

Yes Katumbi we can hear you just switch off the other device because you'll be hearing feedback like the lady who's just from asking how are we going to protect our vote number one then number two I know Hakainde Ichilema is listening to this yes uh I know Haka Ichilema is listening to this yeah Hakainda Ichilema is listening to this I'm just I'm I'm just gonna tell him one thing your time is up your tricks we've known them and you're not going anywhere if I was you the best time for you is just to say Zambians have failed and I hand over power to the right people because look at what you've done to the people in Zambia there's nothing which you have done and the only thing you are hoping that your Mingalato will continue until thy kingdom comes it won't your time is up step down thank you thank you hello please tell us your name and where you're calling us from hello tuawomba London poemanwhwa where are you calling us from uh i'm calling i'm calling you from uh from southern province mwape make your contributions yeah my contribution uh is going toward the these two parties that we are going to use uh uh kuma more especially kuma mpc rp and the other one equity right uh since it's the first time to use um this strategy in Zambia

SPEAKER_33 2:12:00

We have never used the Aqua T uh president T Amina Pel IT and then MPs like uh Koba Bewood and Rusaka. I'm sure this one is going to confuse um the voters. My humble request, I think you can develop this issue uh private with the the two presidents so that at least like the way it is president with MP, like that suit. Then Yakuba voted an MP Pagachura President delight. It's going to confuse us because this is the first time we have never done this before in Zambia. That is my contribution, sir.

SPEAKER_35 2:12:43

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_20 2:12:52

Good evening, Ambassador Muhammad.

SPEAKER_35 2:12:54

Good evening. Yes.

SPEAKER_20 2:13:31

So you might be able to do it. I want to buy some. As a money, I think. Why can't you wear you? What is three, five years? My girlfriend. Even when I took a four UPND. But you want to fian a battery. That's a beloved of your family. Of his family. The next government require a massive. We have a Zanders kept a lot of refugees. They are living in Zambia. I didn't know we had Kenyan refugees until recently. We had Uganda refugees. So is that the reputation? Please, you can't get a wolf. They are blood and you cry on the heads of your children and children's children.

SPEAKER_35 2:19:07

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We have had a wonderful program. We were hosting Honorable Brian Munuwile, who's leading the Alliance of Tonse and Pamozi Alliance, and is running with Honorable Makebi Zulu. Thank you for joining us. Look for more programs in the week. We've lined up a lot of programs in the week, a lot of leaders that will come to your program. Um you are lucky, I've answered you. You are my last caller. Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 2:19:40

Thank you so much, Mr. Mamba. I've been trying, I think, almost two hours.

SPEAKER_35 2:19:45

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, but I'm glad you've you've gone through. Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 2:19:55

My first contribution is uh I just wanted to appeal to our president and the vice president. Uh we are looking at in this pair of challenges. Thank you. You know, twenty-six August eighteenth, a la se tivency, naipalama, yeah, not total.

SPEAKER_35 2:23:26

Good night, and God bless you until uh tomorrow when we have another special guest. God bless you.