REMEMBERING KING MPHEZENI PART I

WE REMEMBER KING MPHEZENI

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SPEAKER_43 1:34

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SPEAKER_30 1:48

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SPEAKER_19 22:00

To South Africa for his medicals, or when it is in Chuala, we are either organizing Zuma or any of these big people to come and grace the Enchuala ceremony. So it's such a great loss to all of us. And my personal condolences go to Justina, you know, Justina Jerry, the young lady whose is only daughter was with us at the embassy. She worked until you are told that this is Princess Justina. You would have no idea who she was. She would receive our guests. She was in the protocol department with the late Sam Tete Me so rest in eternal peace. And the two worked together over weekends, because you know the uh uh South Africa is um is the biggest hub for our government officials. Either they are in transit going to Washington, China, or wherever they are going, or they are coming to South Africa for those international meetings, or just because you know one of our biggest bilateral partners in Zambia than China is South Africa. So the guests are regular, and Justina distinguished herself very well. Um so my personal condolences, especially to especially all of us that worked with her at the embassy in South Africa. Sorry for the loss, and uh, you know, we commiserate with you. Your father was a great man and a great king. So we'll take time to remember the great king himself. If you have any calls around Chief Mpezani, please you call and pass your condolences. We are dedicating today's broadcast to uh Chief Mpezeni, Paramount Chief Mpezani. And I've always felt a knees to call kings as chiefs. This is uh colonial imposition on all of us. You know, the Litunga ran a nation, pezani reign a nation. Uh Gawaundi, they were running nations. The uh the Chtimukulu. These are nations. Okay? So what you have in Zambia is a group of nations forming one nation. Because these were individual nations and they were led by kings. The Bemba Kingdom, the Lozzi Kingdom, you know, the Ngoni kingdom. These are kingdoms. They are no different from what you have in Swaziland, Lesotho, Morocco. These are royalties, monarchs, and to call them chiefs sometimes is extremely demeaning. Even when we we say paramount chief, no, we know it's a colonial imposition because um the colonizers were very strict. They said we'll not allow any other king other than King George. That was King George reigning after after Queen Elizabeth, Queen Victoria after Queen Victoria, during that, especially that reign. So when they were colonizing Africa, they didn't want any king. They said there's only one king. So when we put you under subjugation, everyone becomes chiefs. Sorry, my computer is very sensitive. You have this um uh uh uh imposition of who a king is, kings were reduced to paramount chiefs, some kings were reduced to senior chiefs, to chiefs and sub-chiefs. Um if you look at the setup, for example, of um of uh uh the Bemba Kingdom, okay, those that are in custody of um of the chiefdom itself, the kingdom itself, when the chief dies or when there is a coronation or burial, the people that that really are in charge and uh you know uh they are led by someone we call now a sub-chief. Yet he's even sometimes close equal or higher than Bachtimokulu because the one in charge of all the royal rituals traditional, they have royalty when he dies, they get his son. Those are chiefs in their own line. But now the 72 of them have been put aside, and government only recognizes the other chiefs and forgets that these are royalties. You find the same thing with uh the Litunga, where you will have people that serve him as Indunas are also royalty, sometimes taken over by their own children. The same inheritance process. So, you know, when we have a demise of uh Mpezen uh uh King Mpezen, his majesty king pezen, that should be their titles. Is that um we hope that we can discuss these matters and put it to rest. I remember, you know, when I was aspiring for president, I declared that I will make them kings because that's what I saw in South Africa. They are kings that have been declared as such, then they are chiefs. And government recognizes them and gives them very high authorities on what we do, turning our chiefs into cadres. So the four major kings who reign nations before colonialism should be recognized as such. They are kings. It brings no division, it merely elevates and recognizes our uh that our unity and diversity also has ranking, you know, and the kingdoms must be respected under one nation that we are. Um so that's the first thing we are we are discussing, and um uh but I will discuss the issue on independent candidates, yeah. The updates on independent candidates, those uh matters that Isaac Mwanza wants, where over 100 candidates have to be nullified. Yeah, that is his plea to the constitutional court, and these that are resigning, what does it mean? Because there's a new law which now prevents especially independent candidates from withdrawing before nominations. So uh let me just play some um some intervening issues in between and then uh we come back to you. Citizen First President Honorable Hari Kalaba was in Mansa with Chimba Kambuili and Moses Mawere. They were going to flag off their first campaign rally, they had organized a mass rally. But Mawele, remember Moses Mawere from uh the Exodus Party, who's a running mate to uh uh uh Honorable Hari Kalaba. He was member of parliament for Chipata and is very, very close to them, to the Mpezeni. So to his majesty Mpezeni. So when he they learned of the demise of uh the king, just when they were supposed to go to the rally, so they were forced to cancel that rally. Uh Chimbakambuil is aspiring for as member of parliament for Citizen First in Ron, and uh Moses Mawere is a running mate, so they were in Mansa to flag off their national campaign, and then they were caught up by this uh death. So this is what Harikalaba and the group stated.

SPEAKER_06 29:17

Therefore, I um Bano saying Shiva Kuria Wantia, Waku venu and therefore I'm not sure I ticker who present Nava for Chiffin present Nava for land that you will go for you. But she made children go to Chilo Lemo, Conga got a meeting Kudia, venue, Hello Nishwamivali. She chicken. So I forven refer to send the Molu Valley Moon for Samancoseni Western province. Falanda Timu took an fumo, tatuka, fumu, woofumapa chimese, woofum pezen, ufumbuava shit mum wini shall away, it rally.

SPEAKER_44 30:36

What's come a wambede, mameneva kambear president Bahari Karava, in and in Moses Mawere, Nameneva Kambeda Guti in Amavuto, Queas and Province, Paramount Chief in Pezeni, Kosiamangos in Pezeni, but this year, Mawa, Miziva Guti, that you get a ma presence Yosiana Sienna, Monga in Nava Harikarawa, Navakamburi, that's a Husaka. Momena Kameldawa President, Gati Bashika Mariro Pamunzi, Megamaka Maliro Yamun Tumkule, Nemonga Mpezeni, uh Shing and Karechin to Sapa Fuku say Mbokain. So my moon holding to a wisden provincy, I'm also engoni, where our Paramount is a Paramount there mpezeni, uh Nini Mpam Vuzuguti Nikambe, Zambiri, Nakutin Sniang Vzoti Nambuchitalari Kunoya Punoku Uwapula. So mychi munikuru Gireco, Gatikuriwa mene was a kumu apangani, munikuru gireko kamboti in a maliraim. Niz out a maliro in malirocharucho onse, and in how your campaign bati chingaspendic campe, campaign. So my chi is come bini, makurobanga zumbi the yamadana scan minimum, or ninva kuchi in hani site banji, it's a piti line. So Zikumakambi ban for Murungo, Murungu, I'm daddy saying is come.

SPEAKER_39 32:20

My waminan eh, my wam ny nan eh. It's when bachilla. Oh, she would come here. No, I'm sorry, yeah, oh papa. It's a chica, chinchichka lambasa. Where am I very close now? Present. I'm presenting a lice of a language. If I will chile, some of you cabo. So then it was a particular minute of silence. A while that we observe, yeah, I'm present.

SPEAKER_19 37:59

Okay, thank you very much. That were the young men, Kaka, Warren, and others that wanted me to play their song. They are debuting it here, and you heard it first from here. Let's go to the main issues. There have been developments from uh the independent broadcasting authority, Webster Malido, the CEO, who we have been making a subject here. We are glad that he has backpedaled on two major issues. The opinion poll. Remember, the guidelines is issued that on opinion polls they they need to know who the sponsors are, the sources that they will have gotten, and things like marginal error, a lot of things that bear that actually makes it impossible for an opinion poll to be done. He says, no, no, no, these are mayor guidelines. We have no authority to implement, but he's an authority. The police can follow up on his directives. So the electoral guidelines he has issued for the media, he can't say they are just mayor guidelines. But he has backpedaled. Number two, on the issue of the song that he banned, he claimed that the song was tribal promoting hate speech and making allegations of selling of state assets and selling of uh uh and and practice of satanism. He says those allegations can be proven. Are you sure, Webster, those things can be proven? Are you sure those things can be proven? How did you sell Mopani? How did you sell the shareholding in um uh in uh first quantum in Kansan? Did you go to parliament as required by the law? How did you sell Mopani? KCM, how did you give it back to KCM? So when an artist makes the allegations that you sold it to your friends, how is that an allegation when the facts are glaring? The issue of satanism, if it's a mlech, uh uh uh uh postmotium without the authority of the family, without the authority of his lawyers or anyone, you do a postmotium, even without the authority of the law. What do you expect people to think? And isn't that a reason that, for example, my dear brother JJ's coverage is is quite big? You know why? Because he's detailing the allegations of Satanism. He says, You took me to China, he says to China, you initiated me in a process. When I came back, you I went to share the matters with the late president and Dr. Dr. You know Edgar Chagualungu told me to leave the circle. And in he makes it very clear, as soon as he left the circle, the harassment started against him, both in parliament and outside. You ended up now even abducting him, and he says you took him to a shrine. So if Zambians are listening to what JJ is, you think the allegation of Satanism should be ignored? That is why we had asked you that JJ has named his abductors. Arrest them. You've never arrested JJ's abductors. So when he makes the allegations he makes, what do we make of it? So the song was on point and the decision to ban it was totally unfair because it's a it's actually promoting tribalism, I mean it's promoting unity in the nation and speaks against tribalism. It says this government has taken us to divisions. We should never be losses, tonga's members, we should be one Zambia, one nation. That's what the song says. So, how can you ban such a song? We are glad you've backpedaled, but to hide in the issue that uh these are mayor guidelines, your guidelines, your authority, your statutory body can be implemented not by you, you can, because you can revoke licenses of radio stations. But the police, as we saw, how they arrested the colleagues from Z podcast, can do that and move in and arrest even journalists. So um, we should put special focus on people like Webster Malido who are abusing their positions. He issues guidelines that are totally unconstitutional, totally against freedoms, you know, and rights of our people and the media. And we should keep quiet. No, Webster, you are a dear friend of mine. You and I have waged this battle for free media in Zambia for a long time. When you are given an opportunity, you cannot then use this um opportunity to take away and erode freedom of the press and freedom of expression. You know, when I was given an opportunity as a journalist to be permanent secretary for Ministry of Information and Broadcasting Services, what did I do? I gave total 30 32 or 36 licenses. For the first time, I gave four nationwide uh uh radio licenses, and I gave uh four brand new TV stations, including the Catholic and uh uh uh uh uh uh QFM TV. I gave four brand new TV licenses. I can say I opened the gates, floodgates, because there were many community radio stations, but there were no TV stations. And as a journalist, I believe and after working in in rural areas, I know the power of community radio stations. I wanna talk about payment affairs, even things like the weather, especially about the weather, or musebona wonaikoku, or kwachbaxident. Community radio stations are so powerful. So to See many licenses not given for one reason or another. I said no. In one lot, I gave 10 licenses, second sitting, another. I think I gave 30, 32 or 36 licenses in the brief period I was at Minister of Information. I told Zanis that they should be on TV. And I immediately opened a slot for Zanis TV, where we now have Zanese News. And I told Zanis to set up a TV station because they are an archive of our history of our country. A institution that will be funded very well by government, is Zanese. So I made strides. Even when I have walked away, I can point at things I did. So Webster should learn that you will be judged, your future will be judged over the work where wherever you've been. So I'm hard on a dear friend of mine, but he's doing things that are contrary to what all of us Zambians fight for. When Mr. Sata fired me, that had given licenses, including Radio Phoenix, which he accused me that I should have known that it belongs to Hakainde Echilema, whether it did or not, but that's the reason I was fired. I said, Mr. President, here in your own manifesto, you said you would issue licenses, a PF manifesto. I just followed the PF manifesto because it used to be a cry by localized radio station. They would tell you, we want to be on the Copper Belt, we want to be in Carwe, we want to be in Livingstone. And you used to promise them that uh that uh you give them licenses when you come in office. Tell us all I have done. I have followed your manifesto. So I didn't do anything extraordinary or to undermine the president. I just felt that the media needed to be more free. And especially for me who had worked for many years in rural areas, I knew that each district should have a community radio station. So, Webster, we are on you, Mwana. Sorry, sorry, we are on you. We are on you. Um let's go to the other matter on um on independence. First, Mal Sampa has withdrawn from the race and uh he says he wants to concentrate on the PF. On the other side, his presidential candidate, Dr. Chitaru Chulufia, has resigned from the patriotic front. He says he wants to be um independent, or we don't know where the two are going, but uh clearly this was a major announcement. Dr. Chitaru Chulufia resigning from the patriotic front and Mausampa withdrawing from uh the rest. But section 312 of the Electoral Process Act is extremely instructive. You can only withdraw when you file in nominations and before the end of nomination period, the nomination period is over. It ended, I think, on the 30th. When anyone could have petitioned you, that nomination process is over. Anyone resigning after 30th, that no that resignation is not valid. Um because section 312 says you can only resign, especially for independent, if you write a written notice and before the expiry of nomination period. And I think nomination period is when you file in your nominations, and the seven days that where your nomination can be challenged lapses. That is the only time your nomination will be valid. So to be uh to resign after the nomination period, sorry, Buana, you will be on the ballot. Um and this argument has been advanced by Isaac Mwanza. He issued a comprehensive statement about it yesterday. Isaac Mwanza is the one that has even taken the 100 MPs. And on the on this issue, remember, uh, it was an issue that was associated with Article 52, sub article 6 of the Constitution of Zambia, where every time there was a withdrawal, you had to conduct fresh nominations. So what I did was to amend the law in a manner that independents who they felt were abusing the process could not be allowed, even if they withdrew, they remained on the ballot. And if you remember the Kwacha Kabuchi contest, this was during the period and uh Giers um uh Chapenz, McDonald Chapenz uh organization uh took this matter to court, and the constitutional court also gave views of when someone can cause the renomination. But now we know there is no renomination process, and that's a process that is being uh abused. Um, the case of a hundred MPs, uh hundred independent candidates. Uh uh Isaac Mwanza is claiming that their position should be nullified because for one big reason is that most of them didn't resign from their political parties two months before elections, as required by the constitution. So he has targeted Mal Sampa, Garin Kombo, and other independent candidates. And he says, for example, Garin Kombo has never resigned from the UPND. But the constitution says for any independent candidate, they need to have resigned from their political parties two months before. We'll see what the law says, and we'll see what the constitutional court will rule. We know that these matters have been scheduled before the constitutional court because they have to be heard and determined in the next 21 days. President Hakainde Hilema has also been sued by Charles Longwa, who says he didn't have um a valid uh general conference, and he has sued both the ECZ for accepting nominations from one person, one candidate who hasn't had a regular conference. He says the UPND had its conference in 2006, the next one was in 20 uh is it 2018? The 2021 and 2026, in his view, do not qualify to be general conference because we need to start from the grassroots, and each party structure should hold those uh conferences, then they send people to the who become the electoral college at the presidential level that elect the national management committee and the president. And uh in this case, uh Longwa is saying President Hakainde H Lema has not gone to a general conference and is therefore not a validly nominated candidate? It's a tall order for the constitutional court, even if the even if um Longwa is right and his arguments are founded in both our Republican constitution and in the constitution of the UPND. Do you think that the constitutional court can nullify the candidature of President Akainde Hilema? Do we have a bench that can do that and disqualify because he's illegally on the ballot, according to Charles Long? Do you think that you we we have a court that can do that, that has a spine, that has uh spine really to nullify this illegal candidate? We will be opening the phone lines, but then we are remembering um we are remembering Chief Mpezani. Um today is Sunday. Um congratulations to Arsenal, although they didn't win the bigger one, but they won the locally. Congratulations to them. Um let's let's let's open the phone lines and uh let's hear you on the issues. Let's not stay very long. Uh the broadcast is is for you. I want you to pass your condolences to and the updates I've given about independent candidates. Um someone says uh what's happening in uh PF uh Tones Pamosi Alliance. Oh, I see, I see the list, the list. No, gentlemen, these are internal matters, and um I think they are being handled. Um there'll be communication and miscommunication sometimes. But let's not make a crisis that's not a crisis. I think that uh the two presidents, vice president, the two presidents, President Makebizulu from Pamozi and Brian Munduwile, who's a presidential candidate for Tonse and for the Jew Alliance, uh will sit and resolve this issue. But I saw communication from our able lawyer, George Sala, who stated that uh that list that was released early is from the Tonse side. They expect a list from Pamozi Alliance and then they are going to form a joint team. The party is already dealing, the alliance is already dealing with the crisis around double nominations. When Honorable Mundo Willia and Honorable Makebezul were on this forum last Sunday, they pledged that they will resolve this matter, and they had directed their Secretary Generals, Celestina Mukandila and Zuman Zimba, to sit and resolve the issue of double candidates. The double candidates we have in Indola, double candidates we have in Kasama, Kitwe, and some places in Eastern Province or Chiawama, that the approved list of candidates by both alliances is what should reign. So I think again, that's a crisis that the party has been dealing with. It's part of coming together. So there are these issues. So for you asking about what's happening in the alliance, I think that is a matter that is not insurmountable. And we saw the communication from George Sangha, who has said it the process the process is uh um is uh provisional, it's a provisional list. The main list is coming when uh Pamosi Alliance and other stakeholders submit their names, then a consolidated list will be announced later. Of course, the enemies will be very excited to see this confusion. Okay, the lines are open. Uh uh TIZ has demanded that the withdrawal of candidates is a corruption issue, and the anti-corruption commission must investigate this. And there have been other voices that have joined this call. And as usual, the UPND Gibson saying, to pay any evidence, to pay any evidence, here is the evidence. The lines are open.

SPEAKER_46 56:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

Okay. Okay, we should have a lot of people. So one of the days, the folks on a point with party in it, she's a friend twenty thousand now never farm last year.

SPEAKER_37 1:00:56

The great tree of the Abangoni has fallen from the loins of Swankendava across the rivers of time.

SPEAKER_33 1:01:31

You carry the name of your father with pride.

SPEAKER_30 1:01:38

You stood alike the great tree that never fell down everywhere at the twilight.

SPEAKER_33 1:01:49

We gathered to see the lies.

SPEAKER_19 1:06:42

Thank you. Someone has just sent me that song. Thank you, David. He sent me that song. He's done a tribute to you know to our king peasant. The song is Hambachale. And good tribute. I think it's a very, very good song. Paying great tribute to the king himself. Okay, now the lines are open. Let's begin if you wish to call. Please call the lines are open. I didn't realize this particular phone was off. So let's uh let's take your calls and uh let's uh have if you have any contribution to make. Okay, we have our first caller. Yes, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. I'm crying.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:57

Uh um I think that mona cardinavalish uh campaign kurusaka na kukitu.

SPEAKER_18 1:08:11

I think Bale Vumfia Lampo, but Namamona Amasekita Balanda Chivakala Vumfiachola, which means Balashta confuse your wand. You know Bambi, Vambema cardinati, they are campaign, they are using the bag. So you say that this issue is going to be dissolved, but now the days are going and the days are running, and one and direction. If they are going to say we are going to listen, because I think it's going to be a convenience to be to be honest. Uh Panchta kuvota. Chikwonga mwane murusaka. There are two categories Bambalebon via Chola, Bamba Light. Please. So for me, what I'm just requesting to you, Mafia Shwa Mwamba, Abapenga nimaristi, bonsiva se kita, abakupa mozi, nawakunani, nabakutonse. Please, it's very urgent because not going to bring confusion. Venadium kavote kuku. So, nimi panapukasangama at fwa to kalabata twice, to kalavote na pari presenti, nakun nakuma, nakuma counsellors, nakumana, nama masangati, ama co amma counsellors, nama mpazangati mumuan muda uyumbu uyumbia kote solumbi akote light. Sanan de kumaka kumakan kunaku kunba presda kuave. But one nkumakanam kasangati ama mp's namakanen ebaka fla nbama nan. Baxam fla baba baba hama so inne inga umba kofichwanda monati, nevenkasan amma matos abba umanana, bazuman babafi amat cause Facebook is just lighting the art cause. It's um it's not everyone who's leading the art cause, please. A patra my action, it's not everything that they should just light. Everything just cause. So initially, if i really put cause or what and what of the elected what and what but until now, people that just they are just campaign using the right, the right, others they're just using the bug. And this is not going to help us, please. If you can't, you can't do it. It's going to speak a word. We are going to listen. So to no phone. Two interview bala. Vice president, in a couple of presidents. Nabino Salanda Patiashi, Balad Sovina. But no Manganatina, got to pen them Amadez Happy Tapu. In that Tampa Sanaka Prabama Pesbuco, Mazanga to Boz Amber and Monsamakadembi. They are just using the light and the back. The light and the bag, each and every day. The light and the bug. But you got to pend Amatez upon to penetrams upon by say we are going to we are going to announce and we are going to resolve this issue. Nothing's going, nothing is happening.

SPEAKER_19 1:11:52

So but my bodywa at uh ilamp in party wa president conse. But we alusaka's name counsellors, but we are president in pay lamp conse.

SPEAKER_18 1:12:15

Yes, yes, I understand that, but if if you have my issues, yeah, they can milon direct.

SPEAKER_19 1:12:33

The secretariat is supposed to resolve and issue communication. Then the rest of the country, the pay lampion, both MPs and uh and the president. But you are right that this requires education. I want to swap it over some bidisha.

SPEAKER_18 1:12:54

Yes, yes, yes. So that the reason why I'm trying to say this that please, if you go, please, Papa, if you can just try to call uh Baba Zumani Navananyawa Nava Twanani Baba.

SPEAKER_19 1:13:08

But Celeste Mukanda program yes, yes.

SPEAKER_18 1:13:19

We need full information. We can able to share to everyone.

SPEAKER_19 1:13:29

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_18 1:13:39

So I've been gonna smile, and then they are going to explain a lot to our to us. We are going to abort on the Andy, we can only try to share to our friends or families.

SPEAKER_19 1:13:50

Thank you. Thank you. You're now unfor I'll see. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_18 1:14:09

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_19 1:14:12

Okay, the particular matter of um of uh the the the alliance, the concept promotion alliance, and uh the caller wanted to understand what is happening and is proposing that I should host Celestino Candila and and um Zimba. I'll reach out to them, let's see how their calendar is, then we can consider uh hosting them. Alo Kola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_21 1:14:50

I'm calling you from Copapiel.

SPEAKER_19 1:14:53

Okay, my brother, make your country your name and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:14:58

Uh allow me to be anonymous.

SPEAKER_19 1:15:00

That is okay. Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_21 1:15:04

Uh my contribution is very, very simple. Uh, honorable uh ambassador, sir. As you understand, as you know, I have tried to move in the marketplaces, in the bus, in the taxi, deliberately just to get information from people, ask them questions, what they are observing and what's happening on the ground in our nation, Zambia. People are complaining, and everyone has asked they are saying no one can vote for Againde Hilema. Againde Hilema has lost this year's election. There is no way about it. Because the kind of death that are happening in the country is so amazing. Even how the parliament chief has died is so amazing. This has never happened in the east of Zambia, whereby just a few months ago we lost the wife of the Paramount chief Tichimukulu and the son died in the same month. Chiefs are dying. In Northwestern province, chiefs are dying. Now, everywhere you go, chiefs are dying. This is a silly signal that the country is in a serious danger and in a serious darkness. This country has entered a very bad direction, spiritually and physically. Me, what I'm heading the Zambians and what I'm heading you, our senior leaders of this nation, Zambia, is that you give us a proper direction. It is not, it is obviously clear that people in this country they are looking for Blan Mundubile and Makebizulu. But the problem is they are not giving direction. They are not giving us the election. If you look at the issue of adoptions, there's a lot of you know question marks. We don't know which one is to vote for as a as an MP, as a counselor, as a mayor who is standing on this um uh part. We don't know. We're having a very big challenge. So we would really need for them to come on the podcast live, not to be writing articles like the way Dr. Azuman is doing. Dr. Azman of the easy articles, he thinks like everyone is in in this country, they they read articles. Zambians are not good leaders. Zambians don't love reading actually. So if you are going to read to Zambians, we should be able to speak, not to be writing articles. This kind of politics, it will make us lose again. And if you lose, we are going to risk this country. We can't afford to give this UPN government another five years. We can't afford. We can't. And what they are doing, we don't like it. They should do things that are going to make everyone in the village, everyone, everyone to get the information by doing the live podcast. They must come on the program, your program. So we are able, we are able to send to everybody information. We want to send to everybody information. Our target is we don't care what happened, but we must change the government. Because this government we have now, it's a government of facts, it's a government of criminals, the government of wicked people, the government of people who don't even care for anybody. We need to change the government, and we can't change the government if we are going to continue doing the same thing you are doing in the time of ECO, lighting articles, lighting articles. No.

unknown 1:18:43

Dr.

SPEAKER_21 1:18:44

Zuman must change his behavior. Even in the time of ECO, he did the same thing. Again, do the same thing.

unknown 1:18:51

This is Zambia.

SPEAKER_21 1:18:52

He must understand how Zambian politics is played, not the way doing it. I thank you, sir. I submit.

SPEAKER_19 1:18:59

Thank you very much. The lines are open, make your contribution. Let's uh um make your contribution. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. I'll make your contribution. Oh when you call switch off your feedback, it's easier that way. Uh, so that we you are not listening through the feedback. The feedback is usually delayed. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. We have three topics we are discussing. You can make your contribution.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:17

My name is Anonymous in the Gulusaka. What I want to contribute is this, if we have number if we need encouragement. For example, the information of the some MPs and some other members they are withdrawing, it cannot help us because it's still much amount. So if we so if we just need our directions from our leaders, they must bring it out. Then also, all that we need, we just need to know how many constituencies do we have the MPs and how many. If we get to know our constituencies, how many are there, then we work if that knowing that okay, uh, if our constituents, maybe if we are out of two, maybe they are 220. So we know that we are on the winning side, then we encourage one another to go and vote. Because we know it will depend. So with us, we need that information. We don't care how many, how many, how many are going to be bought. What we care is that we must vote for the president and for our MPs. Remember, I'm MPs. That's what we need to know. And this this thing is it's going to encourage us. We don't care because even we cannot control that. Now we the voters, we need the information. How many constituencies do we have all over Zambia? So that wamku vota. We know that wanikama votes to allow wina. Then also, I was requesting that uh you encourage him so that he can also join with us and we work together. Thank you so much. You are doing a great job. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_19 1:22:38

Thank you very much. Thank you. Yes, Casonde Mwenda has been on this program probably to be good to host him yesterday to discuss what has happened where you know he was locked up and kept away from the ballot. He couldn't um he couldn't uh uh file in his nominal complete his nomination process. He had paid the hundred thousand quacha, but he couldn't allow him to finish the process because they had locked him up.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:23

Thank you so much, Ambassador. This is you so far from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_19 1:23:29

Thank you, Ansofa. Make your contributions, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_14 1:23:33

No, no, constitution yes we are Zambia. I made it go offload of uh the topics we are we we are discussing tonight. Uh uh my question is say for instance uh uh uh party yes we remote 50 plus one, and then we try to get say party awaanga iquet percentage, and then we add them together, and then we have we form one government. Is there such a thing in Zambia, Ambassador? I request for your explanation.

SPEAKER_19 1:24:19

Thank you very much. We we don't have room for a government of national unity, but it can be created because cabinet arises from parliament, and now the uh the president can appoint up to twelve people. So if he goes in any alliance and he wants any of them to be uh in government, uh then he has to nominate them as members of parliament. It is possible to form a government of national unity, but we don't have it properly prescribed in the constitution, but it can work as a mechanism. Hello, caller please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:00

Yes, yes, good evening, Ambassador Mamba.

SPEAKER_22 1:25:03

Good evening, yes, yes, yes. Um this is the dictatorship. God has not given us the spirit of fear, but the spirit of love, self-discipline, and sound mind. And therefore, it's our responsibility, we take care of it. You never you never took care of your your your nation that I gave you. I want to thank you. Let me tell us at least information, because uh UPND won uh the election in 2021 because they were using propaganda. The machinery is that they were using is just propaganda, then they won the election. Not only that, even himself, the leader himself, president, he just came in by lying, lying, lying, even up to today. Exactly. Within two or three days, exactly if you have stick. It's like information, at least the bad quarter information when we soon achieve emphasize the government. More specially having a candidate, whether independent, other candidates. You should take care of yourselves. Because they are able even to eliminate. Because there's no way a leader can come out public, you know, shan shan. I call them Judas MP, those build seven. Then he, at last, they am balast after they voted against the after being given, I don't know. Those are allegations. Then he party judge a band that will underposa and a party like money in a PF4 for Basakuriwa. Mow some Pamadia Nabadia Kumani and Quite Bakumani no Moon Janet Cason Pia No Babika Mobana Baloving Danavadia Kun Badi Bakon Kushum Mash. PF from the beginning. I think even the the late the founder of the same party, uh PF, uh Michael Julius Atame so less in perfect peace. I think his spirit might be turning in the grave, looking at what his nephew has done to the party. Perfect as if it was not enough. After Poca PFU, he was bought, then he came back. Then again, he came back before uh died. He came back to reconcile, despite the party was in the paper, the documentation was in the hand of uh Chavinga. You can even see even Chavinga, the way people they are just against, most special these people are who are free from bewitchment from from this kind of uh leadership. They have they are they we are just against these people. And the JJ has been clear on that topic to say that these people we we were with them in China. They are in a dark kingdom. These things are real things. These things are it's not like uh uh influence most of the nations and their governments are being influenced by some dark powers from uh from uh uh high places, from dark kingdom. These guys they are not there, they are not joking, they are not jokers. They know what they are saying. Unless you are saying there is no God. If there is God, there is also if there is a light, there is also darkness. So in nature, Kulanda Pofenox emphasize candidates now. You should take care of you should do, in fact, you should be preaching to them to say that they should be very careful. Because these people are able to do anything. And for that, this shouldn't be by just like power or mighty, but by the spirit. They should be prayerful, they should be so prayerful. Because we are fighting not only the physical realm, we are fighting also the spiritual realm. Where even maybe some sacrifices have been have been made. Even in the Bible, when you read the Bible properly, there was a there was a war. Another nation was fighting another nation. When they were fighting amidst the war, amidst the battle, and the other nation was about to lose. After having sacrificed the man, then they started winning. The Bible, the same Bible that people read. So even this is sacrificing for influence alone, these things can be conquered by by by prayers and fasting in the name of Jesus Christ. And by by speaking the things that by calling things that we want, we want peace, by banishing all those things that are powers, not by begging God. No, God has given us power. Therefore, we have to speak, we have to speak things that we want. Not really like begging God to do something. No, he has given us power. Jesus was even telling some disciples when they were coming, before they were coming, they saw a tree which was the which was very nice to say that there was not any fruit. Then he kissed that tree. When they were coming back, one of the disciples noticed that ah, the very tree that uh you case previously when we were passing, look at the way. Then he told them, you know, I've given you power. You should you shall you shall you shall you shall speak to the mountain. If you had little faith, like a the size of the master seat, you can speak to not you can pray to your God, you can speak to the mountain. H has been a mountain for Zambia. HH and this group is a mountain, therefore, we should speak to the same mountain. We should banish this mountain, we should tie this mountain. We should make let the confusion be in this mountain so that they can fight themselves. As a Nawaki, the late Nawak may also rest in peace to say that the ditches that you are digging for other people, they are the same ditches that you fall into. These things, this is how we should be calling the the mountain. It's by this this physical life that we see, it's it's it is it comes from spiritual. Anyway, the other one is the uh warning on the the same candidates. Please, please, please heat what J.J. Panda said. Heed and can you go back and uh for your for your for God's sake and hear what JJ Panda is saying. This you are fighting, you are not fighting uh physical, you are fighting spiritual, and spiritual has lost. Because if you have because even in the higher realms, those kingdoms that have uh that have dominated nations and the uh fought nations not to talk about Christ, they are dead. Look at what Israel has done. It's an indication for all Christians to say that you are on the winning side, these are on the losing side. Even the demons, even the demons, when they they're about to come out of a human being, they uh they resist. There's a uh the kick of the last horse, and UPND is likely to do those things.

SPEAKER_19 1:33:42

Thank you, my dear brother. Let me take some other calls for that. Thank you for your contribution and continue to pray. Thank you, continue to pray.

SPEAKER_22 1:33:49

Thank you, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_19 1:33:51

Thank you. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:57

Hello, Mr. Ambassador. Good evening. Good morning, my sir.

SPEAKER_19 1:34:01

My name let's make your contribution.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:03

Good evening. Yeah, good evening to you. Yeah, I've just uh actually uh listened to the previous caller who actually mentioned about not us mentioning our names, which is very, very sad. Yeah, because the name is very important, yes, wherever you go. Anyway, but Mama, I would like also to pass my condolences, yeah, to the uh chiefdom of um. I put everybody together, yeah. It's a great loss, yeah. It's a great loss, he has left a very good legacy to the easterners and to the Zambians, I should say. Yeah, uh, what I would like to emphasize on Wamwanda is about uh what people are complaining uh uh uh about what's his name now I've forgotten. Uh I don't know uh his name, I've just forgotten. Sorry about that. The one who is writing articles, could you remind me the name Zimba? Yeah, yes, yes, thank you so much. It's just um Zumani, please. You should address the nation openly because you are confusing people, and it's very true that it's not everyone who loves reading, and it's not many people who are who have got the access to Facebook, and you know, Zambia is also a problem when it comes to network. Please address people so that people can know what's happening, and it's very much true that here we are looking at the 12 things, yeah. The lamp and also the bag, people should know exactly where to face Tony Papata, yeah. They should be aware of what's happening. You know, that you're not gonna stand it into the always all what everyone has to. We are going to lose these elections, and you know it is just our negligence. We are going to lose these elections, Ramwanda. Please tell me you were there, not just to sit and talk to people. People can say anything saying that Ramwanda makes a lot of money. You don't make money with all your heart, but Ramwanda, please talk to your people. Talk to your people, do I?

SPEAKER_19 1:36:46

Thank you very much. Thank you.

SPEAKER_15 1:37:31

Good evening, Mr.

SPEAKER_22 1:37:32

Mamba.

SPEAKER_19 1:37:33

Good evening. Uh let me remain anonymous before we must make your contribution.

SPEAKER_22 1:37:43

Yes, uh, Mr. Mamba, I I think he also I want to come back to my brother, the previous uh before the previous scholar, the one who was uh emphasizing especially about the security, uh the safety of our our candidates. I think this guy is just to be serious. I think security should be serious now. Um they should not be living any room because we don't know what can happen to them. So uh serious then the campaigns they are four paid campaigns. Let our let our leaders from there are my candidates, my constituences, our counselors, they need to wrap up the game. These issues uh should be resolved right away, not after one week, and we can see as Nama Road shows. This is the time we have my shows. This is the time we have to do campaign. We want to make sure that things are moving smoothly so that at the end of the day, we don't want Amatity uh winning Capitol, maybe anything can affect like some bread. We want candidates in our win, at least with big margin. So, please, security and battery, guys. Most of the adoptions that you guys did, it was perfect because most of them that you adopted never been above. Therefore, almost anyone or all the voters knows the market is everybody, except his carriage cross. And even the Zemoban, we need to bring the Vanguaba provider. We need to go and uh uh preach against those who have ended against our our funding. We need to show them so Mr. Mamba in a sample land. This is what the issue of platform. We might also platform because not BM AT because there is another platform there, we want a G we want we we have also been in and others, we have also these platforms. We want these guys also to be going in this other platform so that at least we don't want to be clear because others they come afternoons, others in the evenings like you, but we know that this is the big uh program that we are challenging that we are hearing from. So, Mr. Mambuki, we continue praying for you and also our leaders, but also our efforts. We need also to put more effort so that at the end of the day we win. Thank you so much, Mr. Mambu.

SPEAKER_19 1:41:13

Thank you very much. Thank you. Alo colour, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_23 1:41:25

Uh mwamba, this is the okay to allow the call anonymous. Okay, mistake pangika, but mistaking upangika in a five solution. Mistake ya pangi a privati was a wurati o kunbi qua mini mini number members of parliament, quiet be mistaking. Uku the popular keeping to move. But then mistake party. And then president. Because you mean go so now so you because if I won my younger driver, if like you have a penny so by the program you be carrier to your passenger, but then you change a common manner. So my president, my president, my gibbons, and your own crisis of your moon to mammu in your paradigm, a man to one money of your so the meeting was a move to the party. My truth meaning a PF Munju. Now he's straightforward in the top that qualifica problem we have been at your two Mambuka introduced a man to Paman political party. Nah, because away in a couple vote of vote, the vote the number covering a chance. So trail mbakova, but then my mumba we got him. Better to Alan Feeling the Mantifinga Mabakov free.

SPEAKER_19 1:44:23

Oh, okay, okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:41

Okay. Mr. Zulu. Calling from Lusaka.

SPEAKER_19 1:44:45

Ms. Azulu, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:48

Yeah, first and foremost, I would like to pass my condolences to the people of Eastern Province of the Demites of Paramount here from Brazil. And uh secondly, I just want to talk to our leaders, like the previous scholars have said, you know, uh, there has to be a proper chain of communication. Uh a lot of conflict between the two things, and uh, people are getting confused, especially on the coming together of the toys and we need clarity on that one. So that even as people are going out there, there'll be the messengers to carry that message. Then, too, my plea to our leaders, Honorable Brian Mondovide and Honorable Market Bizoro, is that can they get out of the urban areas? Here, people don't need convincing. They are already convinced that all this is what uh they need to do and just to vote out the UPAP and the choices there is uh uh honorable uh Brian Mondovide and Market Isol that you can let them go into rural areas.

unknown 1:45:58

There's a lot of work to be done out there. People need to be educated, people need to be sensitized.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:04

So, can our leaders leave Lusaka and go to the rural areas there? I submit.

SPEAKER_19 1:46:10

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_16 1:46:57

Oh see, um pizza lap was daughter's cut tea is ambiguity is a baby, but we're a corner is um a daughter not kiddy, I be sabined now corner wabana, sabing corner ema lao, umabi la makosi um bello, wasamala, na yeah we see lap we like was twenty twenty twenty-two it's by seal summer bags with some as a mini jelly's long leader sees with corner caller corner because I was egg one as a bono to build some bala in the moon to eight is with power.

SPEAKER_17 1:49:55

They promised us a lot of they said that you are going to keep up. The president is on record to have said that what was lacking then was leadership, leadership. In Dubai, Kuriberetu Kamfula Malayti N Kalako. Maezi na maez. But Maliti Kuribero shedding. What is happening in Zambia? Kulibo D shedin. What is he saying? Even yesterday when he was in parliament, I for one, I expected him to tackle critical issues. The issue of hunger. Wato Kudya, when I got you family water ten, five, five for Zadia Sap. Vintu Vafika poipa makomboni. And yet the president went to that side instead of addressing important issues Vaminiwantuffon Veda Vama Light. Umaket Mambi 3 quarters of Jawana Mabucha wana tainya masiwa gurisa. Ulova fika po hipa because of electricity. Instead of the president because it's toting on electricity nanjalaventi nayo, you was talking about motoka. Ya winena in the gula busha. Sidian evo pandaws in u tibana funanchito. Chamentifunchau to and rosa oka makombo ni wazidia. Waantu tizing kalana maliti. Stiga kwani sevenzo kondema, tikafunsa futiwa ti wikha. Nishitina wa chani na naya tichani sedu sedu. Na mino yolo man disatifutisa. Ukafunza chabe a present why fio? Because the president went from radio station to radio station, telling the nation to say no, the reason why fio is expensive because the PFati ya papa yakawala yaka diamwa diamatiamo kutifika kumwamba. That's why it bo diapo no mid domain. Why do la so? Who is the middomain? Are we going to be wrong to suspect that the samu is the form? Huh? Because you see, sometimes let's be honest. In whatever we are doing, tones at wrong decisions affect us. There's nothing like no, because you you support the government in power, no. But another thing. They've come up with an idea of at food for work. That's donor aid. Inabu raja edgewanaw na kuti Zambia leadership imunotibe maningi scopo in jala tingera, takuni sevantezana, watile teraku. Want wasawka maningi kazi tenga konu yung. But the problem that I'm seeing is that that good idea has been politicized. Kuma kombo ni tizivana, uino to say uuin wachpanish, uinwachpanish, uin wachpanich. Wa kaziwa chindu waku chipani chavini su pota bomba, kambirija food for wiki super, pa paristi paja. Suza sevenzako. Is it supposed to be like that? Nishiwa jama ewana canona fika uja unga uzufunga sembuwa nafu secretari atikwa. So that aziva tu wapwirachipani. They need to differentiate between government and politics. When those donors donate, they donate to the Republic of Zambia, in which all of us we are stakeholders. Don't send famous Zambia Soma combat. Now we now we watch Panya Wandia Zamba Kudia Kuribe. So every Friday Tisareme Denaio.

SPEAKER_19 1:53:30

It's good to remind people what they said just um you know, just last year or the other year. So when they flip, we use their own words because their words, what they said remains valid. We are remembering Gwenyamaking peas and the fourth. Um, if you have any contribution to him, uh make that contribution today. We're discussing the issues of uh independent MPs. Uh we have Dr. Chlufia who has resigned from the PF, and we have Mao Sampa who was withdrawn. I don't know if that withdrawal is valid in light of uh in light of Electoral Process Act, Section 31 uh Subarticle 2 uh of 2016 or Section 31.4 in the Electoral Process Act of 2026. It has given guidelines on people that are withdrawing. I don't know if it has ramifications to the candidates between RP and NRP UP in light of these provisions, whether they are affected. But I know for the independents it is very clearly stated when they can resign and when they cannot. For those that belong to political parties, they have to resign from their political parties, if I remember what the law says. So it might have an effect, it requires that uh we we we we delve into this matter more. Um we'll be closing the broadcast Sunday. Um Chakuno is just around 12, just after lunch, and uh uh uh I'll uh I'll take some calls quickly then close the broadcast.

SPEAKER_37 1:56:03

The great tree of the Abangoni has fallen from the lines of Swankendava across the rivers of time.

SPEAKER_33 1:56:14

He was the shield of the beast, he was our king you carry the name for your father to like the gray tree and never held out we gather to see the light. We watched you walk among us held held high.

SPEAKER_30 1:57:08

Now the time has come for us to say goodbye, go ahead and go see our kingdom will remember everything we will carry on there, we will speak up, um bad, but from the Luangwar to every corner of Zambia You spoke for the people through the laughter and the tears, the great tree has fallen at moon temple led, but the roots go deep and the leg lives on the line was drawn from the warrior king before now heaven calls and you are going to the kingdom will remember, the kingdom will remember everything we will carry on there we will see you, battery, battery, battery, battery We did not think this day you would come so soon, but God had all the plans he called you to his room. Sleep now in peace, your battles have been won. The work you did on earth will never be undone.

SPEAKER_19 2:00:40

Thank you very much. I'll be taking the last phone calls. We'll have um a hectic week soon. We'll be starting the opinion pause. Let's see who can win this year's elections, and uh uh we'll let you know when we'll start it. We want it to be as transparent as possible. Hello Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Hello Cola. Hello Cola Hello Cola Hello Cola, please tell us from and make a contribution from Zambia Condorcy from the Zen on the issue, yeah.

SPEAKER_38 2:02:09

Why they can just do I should cut the OECD should be cut in a woman. So branchy, to be bad. Then these will be distributed by the by the branches, door to dough. So paper with a paper, capachilite. These are those papers, then even examples of how they can vote those crosses up. So my blanket sort of your issue. They should just up their gimmick by tones and computer. It's just don't look at you, sort of your issue. Don't talk about over any finished. You know there are people in those areas.

SPEAKER_19 2:04:09

Okay, okay, thank you. I think we are um for we can let's see if we can take some more calls. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Hello? Hello, caller.

unknown 2:04:31

Hello?

SPEAKER_19 2:04:32

Hello, yes, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:38

This is the manual sannyway contribution unnecessary issues in Aquavati. This time and then later on you say we sort out when actually that thing would have been avoided. The reason that came out whereby they don't choose the people, does it mean they didn't consult another group? Because we expect them first of all, before they come up with something, you consult each other, you know, so that tomorrow you don't have this and this to my issues to mean which you could sort out one side for you make it to my mistake that you say sorting out. That's my that's not good. Then another thing that I want to contribute on is uh over the you know the banning of the songs you know, then these people in the opposition, they were allowed to play any kind of songs. I don't know why it comes becomes a problem when it is now. Some of the musicians are singing for them. Why can't they just also use a musician to sing for them? Instead of stopping others from you know, from playing some such from playing songs, this is a company period. Remember the other there was another song that was produced. They said that one is not a good song, it was bad, and this one again. I think this is not necessary. Then they also had the list of campaigns. I also saw some names immediately after they went to the company. Some of these things people must be very consistent about it or not, you know. I was very, very disappointed with that. You know, we are supporters when we have got people like the people who are expecting so much to do for them, you know, to to to to to to to be together for us so that they can take us out of this problem. Whenever they make a mistake, we must always try to control them. But the problem we have is that when you try to control them, others will think maybe that no, that is not the issue, you know. When you like somebody and then they make a mistake, you tell them here you are making a mistake. I remember at one time with the issue of Make. Is it Mr. Chanda? I remember at one time telling my friends this person is it cannot be there, cannot be trusted. Is it Mr. Chanda or is it as a special people's vehicle? Okay. What happened? The question I'm saying, I'm trying to bring up that can be this you know that they want to be sent. Who have equal experience who can help you? They want to come back again, and they adopt the master company, part of the company. We have not going to send the information to them. The position of protecting the vote, people to protect the votes. I think let us be serious on some of these issues. So many people because anyway, it's one and the same group. Some of this announcement thing to be coming up because we're supposed to sit up together. If all of these enemies, first of all, they agree. This is the people that we are going to have a campaign from Twin Pamos and Twins Alan. I am going to produce this group so that you move together.

SPEAKER_19 2:09:22

Thank you very much for that.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:29

Where they have got two people. I don't think this is necessary. Anyway, that's the point I wanted to bring across my.

SPEAKER_19 2:09:36

Okay, thank you.

unknown 2:09:37

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_22 2:09:43

Good evening, uh Ambassador. This is Mikali.

SPEAKER_19 2:09:45

Yes, Mikali, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_22 2:09:48

Yeah, I think let me also start from where my other colleagues uh ended from. I think first of all, I would love to I would love to pass my word of condolences to the Ngoli speaking people for the loss of the uh of the of their chief, who I personally had an interaction with, and uh when I expected him to act, I did not, even uh I mean he did not act. And the search has remained uh as uh he has gone on the ground, me as as a person not happy with because I when I expected him to or to speak on the issues of uh late president Edgar Chagwarung, uh I was on this follower. I even mentioned that I don't expect one-speaking people to have to have the telemone in February, because one of the owners was still lying in a in a mortuary, but that the chief did not do such acts. I think even in his days, I could name his behavior but to the one-speaking people, my condolences. Um, to the party and the leadership. The the Zambians were trying and hoping that the two, and not only just the two, but all the political parties should come together, more especially uh Honorable Makebi Zuru and Lindubi and Honorable Brannouvi, they have emerged and they become one. But the people who are making uh confusion are those who were positioning themselves. Because you can imagine in a house you have in a house of five of you in the house. So when the share is there's a 20,000 or there's uh 25,000, you know that there's a share of the five, five, five, five. But now the other people have come on board. You have to divide, maybe now you are eight, you have to divide. So that's why the problem is. There are other people who have been who are born into this issue or these politics, with position it uh position in their mind in their mind. They have already given themselves all me. I'm the minister of every city. We all know, sir, and this is very heartbreaking. This guy, this man was a prince of color, just listen to say. There are people who are left. There are people who are actually selling information against their own. Today they are sitting on the front floor. And the question is can we still trust these people? Telling the leaders today and telling them this person, yes, but we are certain people can put them at the back. And that's why this man is saying, and I'm emphasizing on that point, Ambassador. Our leaders, if indeed we are going to want to form something strong, we have to make sure let's use people according to their strengths and according to the loyalty. We have a lot of numbers, people are there who can do the works. But when we see other people taking a front row, and these are the people who were actually insulting ECL, the one of the one of the central committee meetings, the ECO's booed, and or rather not just good, but people brought the tags at Indozo Laws, wanting to beat ECL. And today they are singing the slogan of ECL. And leadership has embraced them. Sir, I stand to condemn that act. And such people should be treated, not because we are trying to push uh confusion, but let's treat them accordingly. There are people who have been loyal, you have been loyal, you have been you have been approached by the opposition, wanting that you can join these guys uh the the the the the the UTND. But you have you have stood your ground, and there are people who are who left and coming and now are taking so people are watching, and that's why the confusion will be. Unless the leadership starts working and working according to the people uh people have been there with them. Thank you.

SPEAKER_19 2:13:45

Thank you very much, thank you. Let's hear from you before we close. Thank you very much. Yeah, we are remembering our chief, our paramount chief king, his majesty king. Is the one we are remembering today? Let me just uh hello colour. Please tell us your name and where you are calling us from.

SPEAKER_20 2:14:23

Good evening, Mr. Mob.

SPEAKER_19 2:14:24

Good evening.

SPEAKER_20 2:14:26

How are you, sir?

SPEAKER_19 2:14:27

Very well, thank you, Kola. Make your contribution your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_20 2:14:33

Already, my fellow Zambian, I've said it's very difficult to release your identity. I'm just going straight to my contribution.

SPEAKER_19 2:14:44

Thank you.

SPEAKER_20 2:14:51

It's a very dark crowd for our country. Ukulusa infumungati David Jerry, known as Nkosiyama Kosin Jengemba as we Zambia will be never be the same without the Nkosiama Kos Mpezeni. It was a bland, a big blend for our country, promoting unity. I think is one of the chiefs who has attended most of the ceremony in this country. Kabale Sala. This man was special for Zambia, and it is a very sad moment that Tualusa inform wing. We are just hoping all this process. He had leadership quarry, and to some of us who have lived in within his corridor, we are very close. We know how chief was. He had no barriers, he had to accommodate every person. You can go to his palace at Ferni, who invite you on the table, you are full together, you can jump in the vehicle, seats together. I think some of the chiefs of some bilako leadership style, let me carile. That is the first thing. The second thing, politics. So those leaders who have been called to come and explain, it is very important you reach them that this year's election is not about the tones and the pamous. 2026 election is for the Zambian people. The Zambian people have been never tangles, associate between the two camps to a lawantu, because structures to win an election. I've been saying this, the Zamian people decided to change the government. And it's the same Zamian people who have decided to say the walevafu. So in Tunguru Sichuanse Shivili, we ki le panchi, best of the election. It is very important. But media, just as the riskalanda poetoma campaigning committee, president and other things, all that just unnecessary. But I think to find public before Ishiva. That's what I'm trying to kumilomba kuima mbokwewa to mika in a bo punish mulande navena. I will repeat again, these things were happening. Yes, many people have reformed. We knew what went wrong in the PF. People have discussed about it, people have discussed about it, and people have understood that the tones and promozi are the better option. But couldombitum vitum kofium kofioto ba bale is the festival. It is very important for that. The second one Zambia and Welashta election. Yes, it is very important to have a members of parliament, mayor and counsellor. But also to Mazambian White. When you are in alliance with other political parties, there are two things you agree. Either we are going to use one identity. I will just give you an example like wa UPND. But I won't say na muta kiwa milupiwa nani, because all the MPs. So it means all of those are members of UPND. Ida Walanda Alliance Ubantu, Fiawufi, Tapava Alliance. All of them they are members of UPND. But what I'm trying to understand, me, like they were supposed to share constituencies, but the president was supposed to be one symbol. Which other constituencies were supposed to stand palobuto, other constituencies, pay light. No mba kwastica mistake. Futamay MP from the same camp whereas. So your problem with yo ba file, baika la payche winuwino. Even those people are standing those constituencies where you find there is the Rusarut Kwa na elite. This election is for the Zambian people. As you have said, because the process does not allow somebody to withdraw when the nomination has been closed. But the administrative candidate between the Mundwilez camp bikuma constraints was.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:13

That is very, very unfortunate. You remember Mamampa used to follow you, and I was to follow even before you went out. Because the list of the letter that you wrote about the C47s, our triple employment of C47. When they refuse that you challenge them, can you produce the names of those? If you are saying what I'm saying is not right, that is when they started following you up. They came up with so a lot of accusations and then you are you went up to be out there. Although they are forgetting that probably when you are out there, they will shut you up. No, not that that's the way God prepared things. It provided even a very big platform for you and for others for wisdom to expose them even more. I think that is just the observation I wanted to make. Remember when you come with the reason why you went to do God was because they said he was talking about Naibutoku. For exposing tripodism for them, that's what it becomes Naipotoku. In fact, even this type of laws and all that, the one essence is that when you expose such things, then you say you are you are dividing the nation, you are putting to do this and that, and then they start following you up. And that is very, quite, quite unfortunate. And for me, this is one thing which is very, very annoying for this type of this government. When you expose something which is not good for them, that is against it's quite unfortunate. Very, very unfortunate indeed. Then it's nice that because I speak and other people want to call the last point again. I will still go back to the issue of loyalty. Now, the reason why people are being bored is because of the issue of loyalty. For me, that is what is very, very important. Such things should be looked at. If these people, why do you continue to talk about the same people again? That is very, very, quite important. It's quite important when I when I leave the chapter what you are doing. And yet, a platform they are going to have even been given to other people are very, very low to be here. But let's present my uh uh present room. Let us give judgment to women, but they are the one unfortunately we shouldn't even do Lord. So it is these things of Lord that is causing people to be bored. Because some people don't have principles, even they may have got money to make it easier for campaigns, but it's very, very important to talk to people who are very loyal. Okay, as long as they are for their vibrant in order for the expression for them to win the election. I think that's let me end and give chance to others, but thank you so much.

SPEAKER_19 2:32:58

Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, so I think that was our last caller. Uh we will have the broadcast, I think, tomorrow. We have uh an analysis that is coming up from our dear brother Aaron Nambi runs his own podcast. He'll be coming, and maybe in the second week or so, when campaigns take off, we will do an opinion poll, very open, transparent opinion poll. So God bless you. We'll see you tomorrow.

SPEAKER_37 2:33:58

From the loins of smoking.

SPEAKER_33 2:34:46

We gather to see the lie. We watched you walk among us held high.

SPEAKER_30 2:34:59

Now the time has come for us to say goodbye. Go away. The kingdom will remember everything. Go away, go away. We will carry your name. We will see you through Hambagas. Your name will die. Hmm. Person in person. The lion peace. The legacy will never cease. From the Luan Warrior to every corner of Zambia. You spoke for the people through the laughter and the tears. But the roots go deep, and the leg lives on the line was strong from the warrior king before. Now heaven calls, and you are going to see.