EFZ, CCZ STOP MEMBERS FROM COMMEMORATING ECL

LIVWE NOW; In a dramatic turn of events, both the Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia and the Christian Churches in Zambia have banned their members and their sanctuaries from participating in first anniversary memorial of Zambia's Sixth President, Edgar Chagwa Lungu

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SPEAKER_18 3:03

Chagua. Chagua, let him rest. Twelve months in the cold is enough. Soundgada. Remember this when you stand in line to vote? Edgar Chagua Lungo is still out in the cold, still waiting to sleep. This is not who we are. Over 365 days have gone by. No resting place. No final peace. Just petty, vindictive politics. My fellow Zambians. Look at what they are doing to our very own.

SPEAKER_19 3:50

This is not who we are. We gotta get our country back.

SPEAKER_20 4:10

Even the youth know about their pettiness. Over twelve months since the leader passed away. But that man is still blocking his burials. Twisted the lots instead of the low score. Keeping the helpless with crying at the door. You think you are flexing your power, lifting the box, but you've shown everybody how hateful you are. This is not We will take this to the next one.

SPEAKER_18 7:46

Chagwa. Chagwa, let him rest. 12 months in the cold is enough. Sound good out. Remember this when you stand in line to vote? Edgar Chagwa Lungu is still out in the cold, still waiting to sleep.

SPEAKER_32 8:08

We are aware that there are some unscrupulous people that are putting together an artificially intelligently made video purporting to show the late former president undergoing postmortem. This video is intended to invoke emotions among the people and just to play a role in the electoral process. We want to take the opportunity firstly to appeal to us the people that are making this video that they should also have feelings about the people that are closing to uh late for a president to be subjected to such kind of polish images and videos, but also to make it very clear to all of us in the country that anybody who will be found participating in sharing such a video will be held reliable and will be made to account in accordance with the law. Of course, there are people, and we keep hearing the sentiments of people complaining that the elections are boring, that there is no activity, there are no people being beaten, there is no money being thrown around. Usually, when people have stolen money, they always procure illicit activity.

SPEAKER_23 9:35

We are suddenly as our opposite from some named grouping who want to bring the confusion. Especially this time around when we are moon. There are people who are planning tomorrow. Friday. Because now we are going to see the the other side of the police. You cannot gain marriage out of glory. My office and I we are not sleeping. And this information is incredible, is valid, authentic. Because we are working with the our dear people, the community. We are not going to tolerate that. We have this information. My dear colleagues, I think you know day in, day out, we've been talking about these uh accidents pertaining to motorbike riders.

SPEAKER_27 11:52

Now, if somebody has the for example, for agree Thursday, Thursday, the 4th of June 2026. Today we hold a special uh broadcast to remember the late president, Dr. Edgar Chagualungu. Um members of the community, family, and many stakeholders felt that uh commemorating the first year since we lost the president, there should be memorials held because the government is not going to hold one. And um there is greater attempt to put this matter of the late president behind the curtains, behind the national agenda. Because the country is going to an election, and the biggest scandal we have is that we have not put to rest our late president. That the leadership of President Hakainde Hilema has failed to resolve this matter, and they keep on blaming the family when it's not the family. The issue is with the president. The family has had one single request that the president must stay away from the process. And he he issues statement through his surrogates that he'll stay away. But he doesn't. In fact, he pushes the court matter so hard in South Africa that it leaves the family with no choice but you know to let the standoff be. The standoff is as a result of President Haka in the H Lima. And something dramatic happened. An innocent commemoration of the passing of the late president that should take place tomorrow. We saw heightened activities from two church mother bodies, the EFZ and the CCZ, who have concurrently issued statements banning their members, banning their churches, banning their leaders from participating in the process. Something unheard of. You'd think that the church mother bodies will stand with a widow, will stand with the country in remembering the late president. No to their views, the the uh EFZ executive director even issued something totally unbiblical that you cannot remember a person who you have not buried. Whose purpose is a memorial service. It's for the living, it's not for the dead. The living who have memories of the dead must remember the dead, must honor the dead, must celebrate the dead. And I was just shocked at this unchristian behavior from the statement I'm told from the executive director of EFZ. I'll read both statements to demonstrate how we have lost bodies of conscience in our country. How we have lost the church. Who's supposed to be the sort of earth in this country? Let me just read what EFZ said. It's currently headed by uh uh Bishop Imakando and uh Bishop Joshua Banda. Uh let me just let me just look for this uh text. I read it to you, and probably you'll be as shocked as I was. The executive director issued this statement. Just give me a moment and look for it. Uh, a lot of things will happen in this as we go to elections, as President Haga Indech Lema exerts his pressure on all institutions, no one is spared, including the church. So there is uh the executive director, a reverend Alan Kasungami, a Reverend Alan Kasungami, who's currently the executive director, issued this statement that um following consultation with the EFZ leadership, that is your EFZ leadership, and recent engagement with the organizers of the proposed nationwide memorial activities, we wish to reaffirm the fellowship's position that no EFZ structures, no affiliate, no provincial fellowships or member churches should organize, endorse, facilitate, participate, or attend any such memorial event that has been organized. Our position is guided by the conviction that it is both morally inappropriate, it is morally inappropriate to remember the late president and premature to hold nationalwide memorial observance before the burial of the deceased has taken place. Now, this Reverend Alan Sasungami's executive director of the Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia is not aware that there have been various memorials that have been held. The first one, the day that was presided over by Archbishop uh Alic Banda, and there have been several memorials at every stage. There was the last one that was held last month at uh uh uh uh uh at uh Christian Press Center. He's not aware. So, was the late president buried already? How can I am personally shocked by the statement from EFZ? You would think it has come from maybe Stephen, you know, my dear brother Stephen Lungu, Evangelical Fellowship, Youth Fellowship. I didn't think that it can come from EFZ. There's another one that came from CCZ, similarly expressing the issue, but we know where it's coming from. And I'll tell you why. The president held a security meeting just the other day. This is the second high-level security meeting he's holding. The first one was with service chiefs. He's totally worried about the state of the country. He is smelling a loss in his face, but he's going to use the brutality of the police, the brutality of the defense forces to attempt to hold on to power. Mr. President, this will not work. Dr. Kenneth David Kaounda, who was far stronger than you, tried the trick, it didn't work. Shiluva, Dr. Frederick Jacob Titus, Chiluba, second president, during the third term when we attempted to pursue the overwhelming reaction from the Zambians stopped him. It didn't matter that he had the arsenal of the defense forces at his disposal. So was Rupiah Banda, so was Ed Galungu in 2021. Mr. President, you'll not be the first one to lose an election. If you're facing an election, face it like a man. Do not abuse or misuse institutions such as ZFZ and such as um uh uh uh you know, I can't say much. These are both my parents, you know, both have laid their hands on me. So I can't say much. There I declare interest. I'll not speak on the two leaders. I uh I don't know uh this Reverend Alan, you know, who's executive director, I have no idea who he is. I don't know to what extent he consulted in this statement, but it looks like a statement from state house. It doesn't look like a spiritual guidance statement, it's not even appear to be founded in law, in the Bible, in scriptures. But the president is afraid of what's coming ahead, he's totally, totally afraid. All reports are showing that he's not standing very well, and you saw him today. You saw him today. Just listen to him.

SPEAKER_12 19:43

Shortly after we're elected, we went to parliament to legislate against reckless borrowing. There's a law there. Speaker is here. Many people didn't pay attention to it because the debt was acquired through recklessness. A ministry could acquire debt, line ministry, ministry of finance is not away. How can you run a country like that? How so me, I'm listening. When people say no, they are coming back. I said to do what?

SPEAKER_27 20:25

To occasion more damage? So we've seen that rhetoric. Remember when he said Ed Galungesaikalapesa na di kalapo, and he moved the constitutional court, fired three senior judges who did nothing wrong, removed them and caused fear and paralysis on that bench. And for the first time, a matter the same court had ruled three times, overturned its own three rulings in the past that Edgar Lungu was not eligible. Edgar Lungu has been cancelled in life. He's been cancelled in death. They don't want him celebrated in life, neither do they want him celebrated in death. Ninja Michael Edgar Lungo, what has he done? All he wanted was to participate in the electoral process of our country. You moved the entire bench, you defiled the judiciary to ensure that that ruling was passed. From 2022, you denied him medical attention. He kept on pleading a matter, you know. He needed to see his doctors every six months, and you only you didn't even allow him to go by the time he was going to Africa in 2025. For three years, he had attempted to go to hospital two, three times. He had a special medical condition that the entire country knows about, and he needed to see specialist medical doctors, and like they did to Nawaki. Nawaki had uh extensive uh uh had had um uh uh an aggressive form of cancer, and she needed to be in. India several times and she was denied travel to India several times. And by the time they were attempting to, they didn't even allow her to be evacuated to India. She couldn't travel. But when she was lying at the orthopedic hospital on her last deathbed, that's when State House panicked because they realized what would happen. That if she dies in the country, while she had several appointments in India, you know, facing this aggressive cancer, that she will die and they will see that the blood is on the hand of the president. So now they quickly evacuated her and they evacuated her together with the former first lady, Mama Vera Tembochilova. But it was too late. She just stayed a few days in hospital and she died. He did the same to the late president. He didn't allow the president for three years to see his medical doctors, for three years to access specialized treatment, to see those doctors that used to see him for his condition. And today, the late president is one year in Mochari, unattended to. President Hichilema, all he has done is we should remember what he did. The first day when the president died, the second, third day he wanted to take the body, the family had to stop him. That was the first meeting. You know the catalogue of events. But the most shocking one was on 23rd April, when they went to Two Mountains, mortuary, stole the body without the consent of the family, without the knowledge of the family, without the authorization of the family, without the presence of the family. Took the body, like that of um uh, you know, unclaimed body, the way they took it. It had been lying in a mortuary in a fridge for 10 months. They picked that body. You can imagine a body that has been lying in the mortuary frozen for that long period. And the following day, they did an illegal postmortem without the knowledge of the family, without the consent of the family, without the presence of the family. Where still, the only people that were present is that Yui Maketo from the Zambian Embassy in South Africa, signing and representing the family and signing for the rights of the family to allow that uh uh you know that uh mutilation. For five hours, they mutilated the remains of the late president. And we understand they filmed, they recorded the entire postmortem. And that is why Tabu Kawana is worried that the video could be out there, the video could have leaked. Now he's preparing your mind that in the event that you see such a video, he claims it's AI. It had to take Makebizulu to travel the following day, look for the body everywhere, and remember they did this postmortem despite an active court order. Because in the night previously, as soon as they took the body, the lawyer, very proactive, immediately obtained a high court order, 20 hours, and saved it on attorney general uh uh um uh uh Mulilo Kabesha and saved it on the lawyers of Mulilo Kabesha, saved it on the Department of Foreign Affairs, Home Affairs, and saved it on the South African Police Service. But President Akainde Ichilema proceeded to conduct that illegal postportium despite an active court order. And today he's telling you through Tabokawano that in the event that you see such a video, which they themselves took with Zambian embassy officials and with the pathologist, now they are alerting you that is disrespect to the family. When they mutilated the body, there was no presence of the family and took body parts. And now they are telling you that in case you see that video, if you give it to me, I'll show it here. Because why is Tabu Kawana coming here on a matter that the family was is still trying to recover from? Why would he come up with such a statement? They know what they did, they know what they have done, they know that these issues will never go away. Someone will be held accountable, you cannot conduct a postmodem without the knowledge, consent, or wishes of the family. You cannot do. Worse still, there was no legal authority, they purported that it was the South African government and the South African police. We demonstrated that the action by their group, South African, uh, the South African uh civil society coalition that wanted a post mortem on the late president on allegation that he was poisoned, have never been given authority. In fact, the matter was pushed to 29th May. Uh uh even to follow up what happened on 29th May, because all of us, our minds were focused uh in free in free state, where in Blanfontein Free State, where that court hearing was taking place. Mabantuwa Kwalesa, those are the matters we are dealing with today. And as if that is not enough, family members organize and they've been enlisted by members across the country who want to have, because not everyone can travel to Lusaka for a memorial service. So an organization was put up that uh people could observe the uh the memory of the late president in their provinces. The state has come very viciously. I've just spoken to three chaplains from various provincial capitals, and they've all confirmed that the police commissioners have been have called them that if there is any such organization, it will be deemed as an illegal gathering, and the police will come very heavy on them. We thank God that the Catholic Church and Chawamma Catholic Church, Regina Passis Catholic Church, will host a memorial for the late president. Remember, Tasila Lungu goes to that church, and the church will honor the late president in a memorial. If you wish to participate and attend, please go to the memorial that will be held in Chawarma tomorrow. The other churches have been paralyzed as you saw a statement by EFZ. I wish we saw this aggression against Satanism, against the illegal postmortem, against a mistreatment of the late president. I wish we saw such an aggressive statement. Because the EFZ we remember in 1990-91 is an EFZ that rose against Satanism. It's an EFZ that says we are not going to have unknown gods in our country at a seat of power at State House. They rose and spoke unequivocally without fear that Zambia was a Christian state, a Christian nation. And they will not allow evil practices in our country. There was a David Universal Temple. People have forgotten. That was seated where Celteo, Ayateo used to be, at the corner when you're going to State House. And there's a list, maybe I should produce, you know, when we found, when they found a list of people that used to attend the David Universal Temple. Every judge, nearly every high-level judge, every top businessman that wanted business from Unip, we are going to that David Universal Temple. And some things were found. You should research about it. Because the catalogue, especially by a Canadian theologian, even catalogued things that were found in that David Universal Temple. It was demolished that Zambia is a Christian nation. We are back to that level. But unfortunately, you are seeing the participation of those voices that should speak for you, that should speak for Christ. What would they do? You know what for me, I always ask my question. Every time I face a controversial issue, what would Christ do? I guess he would upset the tables in those churches. I think Christ would come in those temples of theirs and upset the tables that you have departed from me. Because they are not speaking for Christians, they are not speaking for the widows, they are not speaking for the oppressed. They choose a side of power instead of siding with the weak. What kind of a church mother body do we have who can't speak for the weak, who can't speak for the widow? They want to purport, they want to purport that this process is politicized. You are the only one politicizing it. You are the only one politicizing it. And I know Zambians are on their knees. I know Zambians are praying. I know that Zambians usually do have such leaders. Leaders that don't represent the wishes of Christ on earth that don't speak. Christ on earth that to choose to side with the strong than with the poor. That choose to side not with what Christ's teachings are, but with what the king here on earth wants. We want to say it won't happen. Zambia will be saved, properly saved. And Zambia has seen evil reign. And Zambia has seen God has seen us through and rescued us from the clutches of evil. And this is the environment we are facing. The security meeting I tried to talk about. Number one, President Dakainde Echilema has directed that the defense forces must be combat ready. So you will not see any soldier, ZNS, Zambia Army, or anywhere without a combat uniform. He says they should be combat ready. They are saying there is peace. They are saying it's quiet, but this is what they are doing. They've deployed police officers to all districts and polling stations. You can tell me if you have seen the police patrolling your area. You can call when we open the phone lines or you can comment. So that's one of the things they've done here is directed that the entire defense forces must be combat ready and that the police must be deployed across the entire country. And you will confirm with me. And especially, you know, when President Dakainde Ichelema was making these appointments, and we were warning you of tribal appointments, you kept on saying, however, they are Zambians. No, they are qualified and they are Zambians. Now you have the entire police commissioners, all the ten provinces manned by everyone from one region, other than one or two isolated. And like we've seen in the diplomatic services, you know, every time you see a name from another region, then you you have to trace why such an appointment. You find that in marriage or in any other circumstances, they are together. And you know that on this platform I always discourage discussing tribalism, but you are seeing its fruits. Look at your police commissioners across the provinces and see what they are doing. Look at your defense chiefs and see what they are doing. The former service chiefs that were gathered, the president received high-level information. He's very paranoid. He thinks that something is about to happen. That especially with Xevia Chungu speaking, and he doesn't have a proper intelligence. Remember, he runs a small parallel intelligence at State House and just discarded the official intelligence service. So he eats and drinks on stories from the bar, stories from cadres, and processed and filtered information that is not properly intelligence, processed information. So he's a paranoid president. He's seeing a coup everywhere, he's seeing civil unrest anywhere. And you wouldn't blame him because all reports are saying the political tension in the country is so high that Zambia is sitting on a powder keg. So when they pretend that there is peace, when they pretend that it is well, they have all the reports. The US ambassador, the US Embassy has warned to its nationals worldwide not to travel to Zambia, that in the next three months the volatility, political volatility of the country is totally uncertain. They even fear civil unrest, civil insurrections. Those words were alien to us in Zambia because we are a bastion of peace. We are a bastion of patience. We never resort to violence. So to be described as a country that is sitting on a powder keg, that might explode anytime, that is observing. We are at the tether of civil unrest. These words are strange to you and me because we know a Zambia that's peaceful, that holds elections and changes power without any issue. We change power with Dr. Kaunda. We removed Rupia Banda, we removed President Ed Galungo. He feels that a decision by Zambians to remove him is like a coup. No, it's a vote, it's a democratic vote, Mr. President. You are running the worst cost of living crisis in modern history. 12,000 kwacha, you found it at 8,000 kwacha. And forget the artificial things they've done, that there are foreign reserves of $6.2 billion at that inflation rate is at uh uh a single digit, and that they've debt rescheduled. And let me come to the debt reschedule, just briefly, allow me, indulge me. Last week we heard from reports from Reuters and Bloomberg from London and New York that Zambia has gone to the market, they are trying to get a loan from Africa Development Bank or African Development Bank and other lenders to buy back the Euro bond. The very thing is celebrating that he has restructured. Do you know why he wants to do that? Because the debtor structure is one of the most expensive debt restructures in the world. We are paying an average of $1.2 billion a year until 2052. And remember how much we borrowed? $3 billion. We borrowed $3 billion. So 2024, when we started paying back the debt, 1.2 billion, $1.1 billion, $1.2 billion. This year, Felix Ingruksa said it's $900 million. But when you go through independent numbers, we are paying another $1 billion, $1.1 billion. In three years, you've already repaid your $3 billion debt. And we are going to be paying like that until 2052. It's one of the most expensive debt restructure in the world. Speak to independent economists. Don't speak to my dear brother Lubindawa Zoka. Or don't speak to the young man here, George N. Mutonga. He knows nothing. Ask what it will cost in debt service between now and 2052 when we finally finish that $3 billion debt and $5 billion debt with China. So do not be fooled. The debt restructure is not a success, it's a burden to you now and to our children who have to pay this debt up to 2052. That is why Namibia, who have patriotic economists, told their president, Madam President, what we owe Eurobond, if we debt restructure it, we'll pay more. Probably 10, 20 times more. Just pay it in one bullet point. And they made one bullet payment, $750 million. Their Minister of Finance will not be celebrated as the best minister of finance because the creditors hate that. That means they will not earn interest. Mozambique learning from Namibia has done the same. One bullet payment. Musokotuane here, he has money, he can make one bullet payment, but he will not. He would rather borrow from Africa Development Bank. He's exempted the mining companies from paying anything in their export of concentrate. And you know the copper concentrates. They have gold, they have silver, they have uh they've cobalt in them. But when they go as uh as as concentrates, the gold is not extracted, the cobalt is not extracted. The silver, manganese, and other uh byproducts are never processed. That is why mining companies, even with your capacity to smelt in the country, do not want to smelt in the country. Because then they are exposed, they have to separate the gold, they have to separate the copper to its purity, and they have to then account and pay taxes for the gold, cobalt, and other. But when they take it as concentrates, Fidavika Mumala Shamulamona, how those trucks go. That's diamond for them. On top of that, Musokotwani has given them the last act before he resigned. He signed a statutory instrument and gave the six companies export free because to discourage them from exporting raw materials, we put an export surcharge that there should be an export duty to anyone that wishes to export uh raw materials. Here, even when they are stealing our gold, Musokoton even says, no, no, no, it should be exempt free. They should not pay any export duty. And he issued that statutory instrument. That was his last act. If you see the debt of uh that statutory instrument is on 15th May 2026. So the debtory structure is a disaster. I can bet you it's a disaster. Do not, because now you are dealing with an educated lot, uneducated people. And sometimes I get surprised that it's the most educated people that are fooled or run the narrative. You tell me, you tell me how much it will cost us in debt service in paying for that Eurobond up to 2052. You tell me how much it will cost. Nakaloba Yawamapo. Nakaloba Yawamapo. That is why they celebrate uh Musokotuane, because he has given them such a sweet deal. And when he has announced that they want to buy back the debt, the creditors have issued a very strong statement to the markets. They've said, no, no, no, no, no, we will not allow Zambia to sell our debt. We are interested partners. Why are they worried? Because now they up to 2052, interest only, interest only. By the time you are paying the final amount, they well, they will have bought yachts, they will have bought uh, you know, they will have their luxury lives across the world. And that's why they are strongly objecting to Zambia buying back its uh its debt. And why? My question to the educated lot why is Zambia, after successful debt restructuring, why is it trying to buy back its own debt? Why would they do that? I thought you were celebrating that you've restructured the debt and you've eased out resources and that you are now paying to social services such as CDF and cash for work. Why then would you commit over three billion dollars to buying back your own loan that you claim you have restructured? I thought Dr. Kaunda sent you to school free of charge, that at a time like this you can give Zambians proper information and opinions. That at a time like this, when an educated president is trying to lie to you using words, that you call him out because Dr. Kaunda educated you free of charge, sent you to some of the best universities free of charge. It is your time to pay back to the country, especially when you have a president who's lying using economic numbers. What has caused the appreciation of the Quacha from 28 to 18? Have not seen any analysis. What has caused it? Tell me. How have you earned your foreign reserve to 6.5 billion dollars? Tell me who should demonstrate yet you. You have borrowed than any other government before you. You have borrowed, you found a debt of 11.9 billion dollars. This is foreign debt. I'm not talking about public debt. Before we go into arguing about the numbers, let's just argue about the specific numbers. You found foreign debt. You look at the statement by the Minister of Finance in 2021, October, when he reported the state of the debt to Parliament and an update he did in November. He tells you that the local debt was 178 billion quacha and the foreign debt was 11.9 billion dollars. The foreign debt is sitting at 16.7 billion dollars from 11.9 billion dollars. The local debt has ballooned from 178 billion quacha to 252 billion quacha. He has borrowed than any other president before. But educated ones, when the president is lying, they are quiet. In fact, he repeat his narrative that he has restructured the debt. Now we are sitting pretty. Are we with some of the worst debt services to be to take place up to 2052? Are we, when you have a president that has borrowed more than his predecessor? Come on, we want to Aquale. Um we'll be opening phone lines today. We are remembering the late president, um Dr. Edgar Chagualongu, there is a church service tomorrow at Chiawama Catholic Parish. It's called Regina Passes uh uh um uh parish, and it is hosting this memorial. The Catholic Church, something you praise and we thank God for them. Because even under UNIP, when all churches were shut, quiet, they couldn't speak. Now SD Walyan, that's why we don't discuss politics, but SDA unomcolo, but ever Tungidiri, politics, ukuchila any other churches, the Catholic Church spoke for Zambians. They ran a very vibrant, critical newspaper called Dichengelo. They even had an English version. If there is any place Dr. Chuba and the trade unions found voices, were at the Catholic Church. Even in this time, we applaud the church. That while the EFZ and CCZ have been silenced and would not speak for Christ, would not speak for the widow, would not speak for the weak. That when they've sided with the powerful, that the Catholic Church have stepped in and have authorized this church service. Mm-hmm. But the Catholic Church can't fight this battle alone. You have to help them. You attend that memorial tomorrow. That's the only thing you can do to remember President Edgar Chagua Lungu. What has President Lungu done to be dishonored in life and in death? To be cancelled, Tetuek Church. Tetue Mkutambabola, you can't do this. Now, even in death, he has been cancelled. You can't hold a memorial for the late president. And we should sit timid and quiet when this is happening. We thank God that the Catholic Church have allowed for this memorial to take place at Regina Passes Catholic Church in Chawama. Remember, this is where Tasila Lungu goes and the church has honored her. They hold a memorial. And uh I don't know what you think by the allegation by the churches that you cannot hold a memorial service or a church service for the deceased until they you've buried them. Are you sure? Are you sure? Are you sure? So, how do we remember the dead whose bodies have never been found? They are known. Opposite cabinet officers, what we call a cenotaph. That erection is for the soldiers we sent to World War I and World War II. Many of them never came back, many of them their bodies we've never seen them. Every year we hold a memorial for them. Without a body, we don't even know where they lie. So today the churches should say you can't hold a memorial service because there is no body. How do we remember the unknown? How do we remember the dead? Come on. Come on. Um the statement has been issued by that uh Reverend Alan uh Sungami. He says you cannot remember Edgar Lungu's memorial because he has not been put to rest. He says it's morally inappropriate. Those are the words he's used, his executive director, EFZ. And he says no church, no member, no sanctuary of theirs should be used. And they proceeded to call the provincial pastoral fellowships and directed them. And they've proceeded to report them to the police because now the police are calling our our our provincial fellowship committees that we've been told by Alan Sungami that you will not hold this conference. They've not sanctioned it as a church. And those that are affiliated with CCZ, they are also the police in these provinces are also citing them. That we've been told by CCZ that they've not sanctioned any memorial. So no church facility of theirs should be used. I wonder what I wonder what that barefoot prophet, that son of God, would do if he read these two statements. But you and I know what Christ would do. He would upset their tables and he would rebuke them that you've turned my temples, my church, into business premises. The phone lines are open, and uh let's uh uh speak to you. The phone lines are open, you can call now. Um caller, we have the first callers. Let's uh uh let's receive your calls. What are your views about this matter? Yeah, you can call now. You can call now as uh we opened the phone lines today. We saw um Kosiyama Kosi's body taken to taken to uh uh let me just speak to this. Uh let me just speak to this briefly. Uh Kola, just hold on, just hold on. Let me speak to this briefly. Now, I saw a lot of people concerned um about the remains of the learning from what has happened to President Lungu. I know I saw apprehension around the remains of the late president of the late king, his majesty um pezen, and that the warriors were camped at FSG to guard the body, that there should be no post-mortem, and we understand there were a lot of attempts to take the body from FSG to minor soccer, and the warriors are distractions not to allow it. So now but Tabeshiba to FSG, FSG field, who bought ideal and FSG? Who's the owner? Tell me in the comment. Who is a board chairperson, Pad Mleya, who's also can own a power company chairperson? Who is he? How is he related to the president? But this is how extensive things are. Okay, let's take the cause and uh please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_16 53:23

Yeah, good evening.

SPEAKER_27 53:26

Good evening. Yes, Alex.

SPEAKER_16 53:32

Um I'm trying to be more sober, but very, very disappointed and upset with the happening. Ambassador, uh, if I lose my myself, please bear with me. I'm a bit emotional, but I yeah, please, I'll try to manage myself. Ambassador, to discuss the issue of a former president today, one year from the time that he passed on, and we have the other hand, which is the government saying we have to buy the former president in the respective manner, he was a commander-in-chief. This is the man they imbalanced in living, they called him all kinds of names, they insulted publicly, and none of those people were called to report themselves to police or any arrest. In his death, we have seen how the attorney general has changed Godposts in his statement. Even HH Winet, he has said that uh we want to respect him and all those kind of things, and yet they have their agenda on how we want to um present that God before sacrifice, before the devil himself, ambassador. The church today, yeah. I'm sorry, I am a Christian, but allow me to say this the church, and more specially Bishop of Makando, Bishop Banda, Bishop Banda, they are such an embarrassment. These were the people who were once calling about no issues to do with the uh like you mentioned earlier on, no satanism, no everything. But today they are the people who are winning with HH. I'll be I'll try to be, let me just tell you how Imakando became a pastor. Imakando, I wonder if he has a calling. Together with former minister Iato, they were used to me in Baptist and the Travel of the United States of America, where they were funded to build those. If you remember those times, people were breaking away within UCV, the Roman Catholic, making some Pentecostal movements. And that's how Bread of Life became. That's all we have to find himself if we have to is hearing or Imakando hearing to this, he knows that these are facts. That's how he had to step down and became a politician. He goes on and becomes a preacher, fake preacher. He has never been a truth preacher.

SPEAKER_27 56:27

I don't know. I'm I'm I'm uncomfortable with that line. I'm uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_16 56:30

No, no, no, no, no. Please, please, please. In 2014, Makando in front of his congregation, he denounced SEL that almost break the church. The church were in 2014 when Israel becoming a president, he he he denounced is yeah. He said, I'm um I would rather go for UPND publicly, and the church divided. Ambassador, this is a man not long ago that is in Fumbe got issues. People are arrested and they open it in public domain. They say that this man who has been employed from Tanzania, forever, we have been employed and we are on the payroll of Imakando. Is he an arrest? The answer is no. And today, this is a man who's saying, look, his back is asserted himself to the government. Wearing, as the Bible says, we're putting on a garment of a sheep and yet he's a wolf. Where Bishop Banda then keep. He went to Statehouse and asked HHG to support him so that he can return um the presidency. The favorable was Reverend, I think Reverend Jerry. Statehouse machinery came in and manipulated everything. And Bishop Banda pledged that I never supported you in opposition, but I'll support you. And I'll use every time I'm I'm ordaining some bishops across the country, I'll call provincial ministers. And that's what he did. And right now, Banda is beheading no any other agenda but his baby agenda. It's such a disgrace. And these are the people he was he should tell the nation how the money was raised for the church. The one which was being built.

SPEAKER_27 58:43

Okay, my brother. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Today is going to be an emotive, is going to be an emotive debate, especially of what's happening. Uh, where please tell us your name and all your calling us from. Yes, caller.

SPEAKER_14 59:00

Thank you very much. Today, I will opt not to disclose my my name.

SPEAKER_27 59:07

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_14 59:08

Um, thank you very much. Uh there are two issues I want to discuss. One, the the issue of ECL, and secondly, the issues of the church. Which one should I start with?

SPEAKER_27 59:29

Just know that there are so many calls. Be brief in both cases.

SPEAKER_14 59:33

Okay, thank you. Uh let me start with the issue of ECL. Bambasada Emmanuel Mamba. The issue of ECL is tragic, it's depressing, it's shocking. And it's very sad, to say the least. You have to hold your emotions when you're commenting on this issue. You have to hold your emotions. If there is any one reason why any single Zambians should not vote for President Again Bay, it is because of failing to body is simply requested for one thing. When you are body make sure this man is, I don't want him anywhere near my body, and any normal person, if you have said that we should say this person should not be anywhere near my body. And what happened between ECM, between ECM and when he treated him, he stopped him, took him out of the plane, when he was going for reason, going for treatment. All of you was treated. What did that man do? Yes, sir today was watching the president at the Mono Bush, Ambassador Banama. He said this body body. What does he have to show? What does he have to show? But the man has bothered. So what we what I'm saying is that if there's any other reason why any third person should not vote for this person, it is for one simple reason of failing to buy Israel. He wants to go and show himself, then he showed himself at the film of Idis Lamak. Without any sense of shame. She clearly have my drugs that I need to get from India. He was blocked from traveling. He had the cancer, aggressive cancer like he wanted to observe. He was blocked from going there. And as a head of state, he has broken into his house. And he went there, even at the female, he was to show up there. He was showing up for what? See what we are saying about the church must. And please allow people to discuss these issues. The Pentecostal pastors have been a great embarrassment and a disgression behaving like wolves in sheep's skin. They have turned the Bible into an enterprise. He has no problem with money. That is the money maybe that is being given now. That's why you are hearing.

SPEAKER_27 1:05:17

Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. It's time to flip the tables like Jesus Christ did. Time to flip the tables. Because Christ, you know, when the only people Christ condemned many times in the passage of Christ were those religious leaders. He said they were like white wash tombs. They looked clean with their robes outside, but they were rotten inside. And it was very clear. Probably it's time to flip the tables like Christ. Didalo caller, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:05:56

Good evening. My dear sister, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

Yes, Ambassador. Firstly I would like to say happy birthday to the the is it the expert for body viewing. Uh President Chilem. The expert for body viewing. Okay, so away from that, Ambassador, I just want to say I've my heart really bleeds to see that those uh church mother bodies issued those uh statements. I would call them hypocrites. I don't mean to disrespect them, but I w please allow me to call them hypocrites. If those church mother bodies really mean well, I think they could have advised President Againde Chilema correctly. Why have they failed to tell President Haga in the Echilema to respect the wishes of the dead? Why have because they seem like they are driving the agenda of President Againde Chulema the wishes of the dead uh were very, very simple. In an event that I died, my successor, President Aragon De Chilema, should not be anywhere near my remains, nor should he preside over my funeral. It's as simple as that. They don't need to question why, everybody knows why. So, why have they found it very, very okay that Aragonde Chilema should just impose himself on the funeral where he is not wanted? Why have they failed to tell him the truth? Why have they failed to confront him? Bishop Joshua uh Joaima Kando. Why can't you tell President Aragende Chilema to respect the wishes of the dead? Why instead you've decided to side with the powerful, you've left the widow, you've left the family. Why Bishop uh uh Joshua Banda from Northwood Assemblies, why have you decided to side with the powerful? Where have you left the widow? Where have you left the orphans? What does the Bible say? Now today, when the family is seeking for refuge, seeking for you as a church just to hold them by their hand and hold a memorial service, and you say you'd rather first they bury before they could do this. How could they bury when HS does not want to respect the wishes of the dead? Why can't you advise the president to do the correct thing? You are hypocrites. You are hypocrites. Which Bible do you read that you fail to tell H is the truth? Everybody's able to see if you are courageous enough, if you are men of God with your thoughts, do the right thing. What you've done really, even publishing that letter, is such disgraceful. You call yourselves men of God. Where's your integrity? Where's your integrity? Having a church service for the former head of state. Ah, in Jacoma Church here no way can't be a good one. I'm not inciting people to stop, but I mean they should question your integrity. They have to question your integrity. You are hypocrites. I don't mean to be judgmental, but things are straightforward here. You are supposed to stand with say the oppressed. Madame Esther Lungu is oppressed now. One year, one year, one year. The husband is still in the mug. Why? Because President Awande Chilema has to preside over that funeral. And you decide to be quiet? Even just for holding a simple church service, you are hypocrites. I move away from there, Ambassador. I come to Tavukawana. What Tavokawana? You come to address the media, telling us that there's an AI uh video which is being uh created somewhere. The question that I may want to ask you, how did you know about that? How did you know about that? You go as far as saying whoever is creating this, and you are giving warnings that the law will follow them and it's not good for the family, blah, blah, blah. But when you decided as a government to go and do what you did to the body of the former head of state, what were you thinking about the family? You thought that was a good thing to do, and now if people see the gruesome mutilation that you did to the body of the former head of state, you want to say the the it would be bad for the family? When you were doing that, what were you thinking? You even have the audacity to address the press, to address the people of Zambia, and tell us no, when that video comes out, just be rest assured it is an AI. In this time and era, you think you can tell us that it is an AI without us knowing if we think you think we cannot tell which which one is an AI and which one is not. Whatever you did to the former head of state. I'll still say it as it is. You go and get the body of the former head of state against the court orders, huh? And on top of that, on top of that, you go and mitigate it. Family Tairiko, we also heard that there was a traditional leader there. Everything was done in a way which is questionable. You have to behave like somebody wafumakuvantu. You can't come and just in the name of trying to drive the agenda, the evil agenda of HH, you had the audacity to tell us, no, this is evil and this is not good for the family. When you decided, when your government decided to take the grieving family to court, what do you call that? What do you call that? That is evil. As if that is not enough. You go and steal the body, not to go, you stole the body of the former head of state, and you went and mutilated it, and now that now information is coming out, and you want to say whoever will be found with the the video will be will be held accountable. You have no shame. You have no what a disgrace you are together with H H himself. As I conclude, uh Ambassador Mwamba. Tomorrow will mark exactly one year. One year since your predecessor died. If you have a consciousness, please let the family find closure, stay away. Respect the wishes of the deceased. It's as simple as that. What do you want from that body? What is it that you want from that body that you cannot let the family find closure? One year, not only in Africa, but in the entire world. We've never heard of such a story. What a legacy are going to leave behind. As we vote you out, come 13th August. We are going to vote you out. Thank you, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:15:07

Thank you very much. There are so many calls. Let's try to be brief. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:17

Thank you, Ambassador Mamba. My name is Uncle Jay.

SPEAKER_27 1:15:20

Uncle Jay, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:23

Thank you. Um, let me just begin with um uh the church uh issue on this memorial service. Um, it's so unfortunate that uh the church has been compromised uh by this regime. Unfortunately, most of these uh so-called men of God have been bought you know at a fee and they are seeing crisis. I was shocked to see Bishopper Joshua Banda actually attending a service at the Euro Stadium with the president a few days after they mutilated the body of ECL. I was shocked to see people who are supposed to speak for justice, because that's what the body of Christ does. The body of Christ is made up of believers who have been justified by faith in Christ Jesus and they stand for righteousness and justice. But unfortunately, what we are seeing right now by these so-called men of God who are just enriching themselves, whilst we have street kids, people, even in their churches, going without food, but they are celebrating with the corridors of power. They've been given a lot of money, you know. They have to find a way to cleanse this man because of who he is, and he has to stand with people that can speak, like Bishop uh, you know, uh former former former pastor Mumba, and uh now we have Bishop Band and others that have uh come back and come uh through to stand for this man, which is very sad. So to see the church leaders behave the way they've behaved over the service of ECAO is a disgrace to the nation, and they should know it that what they are doing, they should check their cautious. John the Baptist was behaving, he was speaking the truth. He spoke to authority, but these want to be with authority because they are there not for God, but specifically for their bellies. That is what they are for. Secondly, uh, let me just quickly conclude by speaking on what um Tawokawana said. You know, this is how UPB has always operated. Every time they are about to do something, they will preempt it. You know, when it comes, uh you know, people have already heard what they say, but hey, we are not fools, we understand what is taking place, we know what happened. We are able to differentiate an AI material and an original material. So this one, we'll wait and see. But there will be a day for reckoning, I've always said a day for reckoning will surely come for these people. I thank you, Ambassador Mwamba.

SPEAKER_27 1:18:13

Thank you very much. Yeah, we have so many people waiting. Uh allocola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Good evening, Ambassador uh good evening.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:27

My name is Terenza from from SX.

SPEAKER_27 1:18:30

Yes, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:32

Thank you. Thank you so much for this opportunity again. Um the four and the famous Zambians, a period of time to see. But a period of time to rest, especially the widow. Uh, support to the widow, especially they faced a lot of uh problems, and a year of mourning like this is not an easy thing. I respect Joshua Banda Sanasa respect Joe Imakando, Bishop Joe Imakanda. I respect these men of God, they are legends and they've helped us so much. But my prayer, or rather, my plea, voice note, please stand with the widow and the family. If there's a time that the widow and the family need support, it is this time, and not from anywhere, but from the believers, from the Christians themselves. So, when a men of God, please stand with the family and support them. Now, coming to other people that it can be to say, please. Supposing it was me. Because it's not an easy thing. Supposing it was me. So please, please, my plea is let us support this family during this period of time. Uh Edua Filiba, Edukachangwa, Chadwang.

SPEAKER_27 1:21:13

Thank you, my dear sister. There are so many calls. Let me take the other calls. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:18

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_28 1:21:28

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:21:30

Good evening.

SPEAKER_28 1:22:15

Ba bishop Joshua Banda Ba Joshua Mutumamakwatati Usuma Mbassad. Idium Marungu kwali male sale in tungush mtabasadwa. Kwa you kuru ishanya ku la kwa li kwa mupate baduk mapali laine ishita. I puna ishviri bale, joshua banda. I shivili ya atiku mama tiku malem bere mposti noktina na fwana na sha nisa ngela timbe shive. Ba gilan dile fin twisa na paliwa rungu kubebat ma ni mafia bama mafians nobale kiro kwisa take charoshwonokat mwa bere charo.

SPEAKER_27 1:22:59

Waba ba bamungkonge Bamungkonge lawe kenin mapon dan di leko ba bishop Joshua banda. But Bishop Joshua Banda nawa Father Chilinda. They're the ones that helped uh Mouse and Pagai Scott on one side and uh on the other side Edgar Lungu and the group to be put together. So Apopenana Lava Landilako, but Joshua Banda was very instrumental in bringing peace between the two.

SPEAKER_28 1:23:36

Group as a mafia and group.

SPEAKER_27 1:23:44

But that's that's that is what I wanted to just clarify. I think on that particular party played the key role in bringing the two factions together in 2014. I was part of that process, and I know what I'm talking about. Landen po landenpo, I just wanted to correct things, yes.

SPEAKER_28 1:24:00

Okay, now for now for ambassador, but you could say, so nulumka, the roaching soon and shuba, of bantansi. But some deba empatoma tapa channel, pashuma mushiro. Press conference, no kuanda machi weakwebatium. So fiat video tapangile pamuku. Umakwia ibich tumbi na idea video tapangile yum mapsi. Mamma pasta zamannu. Mwemaki conteni mu pashuma mushilo. Makwan soko murina mwama mikanya chichi. Ya kwatriamtu. Mkatu mpashufu miema. Mukambelakumaba rumbu. Umurumapita, panta kwa mama to kurusha, umakumutuntupa no pe sunde. Twali ngoku marumbelako.

unknown 1:26:32

Bakuba ki fi fintu.

SPEAKER_28 1:26:34

Fiamunda musire isu mana pe ambassad. Thank you, thank you.

unknown 1:26:38

Papa Temuka Besu Marungu. Tina Rufianya rote tinti mu Krufiania.

SPEAKER_28 1:26:43

You know to the polish time, I can karasar ambassadana berako, ambassad mukese, no kuisa shikawa rungu mutende in Bene Sofia Foya. Now penera papenemuka.

SPEAKER_27 1:26:55

Thank you very much, thank you. Today we've learned that CCZ and DFZ have um have collaborated with the police to stop the provincial co provincial memorials for the late president, and the police commissioners who are calling the organizers in the province are citing them as authorities that they've been told by both CCZ and DFZ that they've not sanctioned any memorial. And the police have been directed to enforce. Alo collar, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Sorry, there's another caller waiting. Alo collar, just a minute, just a minute, caller, just a minute. Let me just a minute, caller, just a minute, let me bring you on. Sorry, there are so many calls. There are so many calls.

SPEAKER_26 1:28:39

Uyanga Muayakuya Mwarasanga Eva Topua Puri Pamu top wap traffic walk south and province no comedi Pomana Pachi Walk South and Province. The rota to the random government, whoa, Radi, one Zambia, one nation. Number Ava is a retoon much to number, it is near and ever mumbaisu, Nabambiaba. Topuninani, no conjungi, farasango. Ukwisa is uh Purika Abama Abaporisi Ama Soldja. Uchingura Sem kuchingura. Pala paka sompe para kasumpetano faliwa paraki pari. Mara sangueba chadama kampu, abasoja, nama commando varisa parya yi a ka chero kura bad very vare mechila, wo to canabe suma misevo. So won't severavan dwari taushemuya kuching gora putieron atanda, shakuinko kuchin gor. So joinsapa whichatu to kuebati, it's like a van dwari plant e isa my re chedi, but epu abada wandu, mating guy chakovati baka won shula jinya wantu shivavene a pove mini nenga defence. No befu duala chipango. Channel tepatio. Baka fumakaros defense bakaloshiba, battua machiku chinggurafu, ninch to shaku chekura, chinggura ku in kongi ambasad defin to vengi. So chichim samu chise kumpera. Baba chimlefa muka chinishababa chim my reaction wino. If it taki a cabombera mpano. A total ambassad. Weban chakukurasana gashika onava name fallanda.

SPEAKER_27 1:30:32

Thank you, thank you. M Timoin, em timoe win um caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_30 1:30:44

Good evening, Mr. Mwamba. This is Mumba Innocent calling to you from Kitwe.

SPEAKER_27 1:30:49

Thank you, Mumba. Please make your contribution.

SPEAKER_31 1:30:54

Uh uh, Mr. Mwamba, I really happy that you now consider that Munduvire have got a lot of followers that MZHT, but they are all friends, and you have to take one oozini front of all. Then for the funeral of the reoam back on the Zambia.

SPEAKER_27 1:31:35

No fire makuland then.

SPEAKER_31 1:31:38

She don't got back to the Isabel. She did not chubbing Kavari, that was so for you one year, shall to pop push.

SPEAKER_27 1:32:36

Please, when I've answered you, just continue to speak. I don't have to agree with you or urge you on to speak. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

unknown 1:32:48

Good evening, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:32:50

Good evening, James.

unknown 1:32:51

Uh yes, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:54

Quite disappointed with uh our fathers in the face, the people we call, we look up to. If uh uh servants of God can behave like that, who is going to save us from the brutality of our earthly leaders? You know, um, of all people, Bishop Joshua Banda being part of the team that has rejected the service for the late president is very unfortunate. For Bishop Wimakando, it's understood, it's very, very understood. That man has not been on the side of the the the pres the former president, president Lungu. But Bishop Joshua Banda, of all men of God to be part of the government, wow, I don't know where we are going to run to. You know, um in the olden days, uh, I remember God used to open the earth and swallow people. Um, see, this thing can happen even today because when you look at the how the family of the former president has really suffered, one year, you know, Jesus died, he was killed on Friday, and Joseph of Almatia came to the king and asked for the body. Of all those people that were close to President Lung, who are now close to President Islema, there is no one who can convince the man just like Joseph of Almatia did on the uh to get the body of Jesus and burn. Surely. We are being betrayed, and um, like someone said, we we we have left with no option but to to say this thing that man said, which I don't want to say. I'm quite disappointed. I don't know where we are going to run to. Uh, but of course, pastors, their duty is for the vulnerable, the oppressed. If they cannot stand for us and stand with the power, I don't think God is going to be happy with these our spiritual leaders. I'm quite disappointed. That's my comment, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_27 1:35:10

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:22

Good evening, Mamuamba Bomben.

SPEAKER_27 1:35:24

And Sam Kwaimabomben.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:28

This is Mama T.

SPEAKER_27 1:35:29

Mama T, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:48

If we get a family deser while others believe in some other things, our trust is in God. And we know that God is God. Nothing surprises God. It shall be well. Did you hear any church rising up and talking against that? Nothing. We saw when we were told to say no, um, until moving forever. Without any family member, without even consulting the family, um for church in your shir. This is uh a campaign period. Constitution here Zambia Ilando Kwebatian. Which is three months up to day vota. This is not an election yeah. Abba police your recruitment here without even telling the people. We've heard that there are some cuddles there who are older, who are not even supposed to be recruited. We were told, you know, they got from the database. Which database did they get those abakuru, ababaku yakuri police? Because we see them in uniforms. Now fist them. We understand there are some uh renowned cudders there. Aba and ababakuru, abasa ngokoku in a kumana ngani, umas death house, overtuaru kwa bari among the four hundred that they've taken Kumar, I am the side. Think about Zambia and Demba. Takuru Randa, or somebody feel quiet in a church. Whatever is happening, you hear that our maneva's mumba will come and support. You know, this our president you are talking about. He doesn't even need backward. That's that's coming from men of God. We can't expect anything from these men of God who are depending on brown envelopes. Those brave men of God, Baba Tafia. We had that man of God from Seventh-day Adventist, that one who resigned. We don't know how he resigned. Where have you had a man of God resigning from a church? It has never happened. It is only happening in a regime. Mm-hmm for Bahamasakaban, for opposition to message. I was training someone to say, Yo Maranda debt restructuring. Running away from responsibilities and paying out the debts. There are two different things. But restructuring doesn't mean that you are paying your date. You are just running away from the responsibility of paying that debt. And how much money have you borrowed, you people? Malanda fear your free education to add free education. Free education, Malanda po you over. If you go there, you will find that children now, now be fiko. Free education where you can't even take your own children. You say that we've brought free education. When Ike was doing free education, even his own children were going to the same schools that the Zambian people were going to. And you come here, you start bragging to say we've brought free education. What free education are you talking about? Ukuawa na noboku wa fiama janki. Kapalifi tikaba mwambawi. Ten years back towards. Without even telling the people. Nga campaign a pesa. Eh? I am material. And all about too. Maforya van to Baleva Pipa. Umbare so kuava, stay ne fio stopo mwala pera, but it's a tino gas to get a munana. With or without police above. You have taught us for five years. We've endured because we knew to say a day will come when we parate ourselves. Neo in a paquebati to easy baretay for kubi kapoe me gala. More shan cash murivan to a sango shan. Abane nungabare sta mole stangamware campaign. Gamale pitano kuya bloka presidential mosta keti, gamadia bloka. Telling Gabadi Mikaka. Fimo fin to mule pusha. If you fin a few mures, kessa miarukida. To the landarion so bad number simuled. Ya kasa miaruki la imi. Bamwamba, may God bless Zambia. We need the protection from God. Kariavantuna to feedwo. They can to be careful.

SPEAKER_27 1:43:08

Thank you very much. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. My dear sister, my dear mother, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:57

But mumfumozo, waminachita kuti apa no allianza a kauza chape allianza kamuza kuti apana kuza and vaso no no. Kuribe ku shoes, kutia vasosivinga wami a nikuyopa. Mighty zankala banje. Deva mungachita vi, bamanu of goat minim chita wonsebasi. Pukape ni mungara ti eh ti preaching upabis down tikondana. Love your neighbours, love yourself as eh, love your neighbours, you love yourself. De ya miningangare so. Shoo or serious. Ah, uman chinawa me, chinawa mechaminiwachita mu see. China wamin point so nichin show dun down. Um, ataguanji, aripos, value can so watch the rejected mapimpe says this is a peze cago, bad bekanto bat murungu aripa fupina family yabandanyava chavwa. San nawa se vile, mamini bana fila wachavwa kwanza, my lobakwansa one ye murungwa alipa fupina family yavachavwa. Ma chumza tusza chanisi, at one zambia one missing. Batimu to tinkka tia vabu, achta vababu, band wai mulis so suwa, wai mu diso wai. Nay mwama ch is mwampusta ivi, wa banda name mwambo konka bamibachtavanzan, name ofamine makonkere, andi mwabanda ni mumete zona kuti mulinam tima wabu, batia pamanji, nayemu mambo konka chapu timu kwa kuza ndi apamsachte ivi, or si apusta ivi msachte ivi bas nayemo man veli. Nikunkana kwa branch pamiva chamini vanala kwa lungu kuantu, nchich chan. Montu timuzonde paumoyu na painfa ponsa muntu amuzonde so chapi juwa. Why vatita so ramdala so na dala, baswat tunguatutia by chepino vintuenda chepwin de kwenda qua vintu moshu kushua muan. The mwentizan bongariam charo so chappy. Utumutungatakamba shabi each ni sikwasia. Manju watumu kutiva pita, but isakan cala branja, and the murunguni murungu. Elo na kupita swasapita. Swazapita ni pm eight na mz eight. Swaza pita because baminiva chita mungusakonguye, gatibachita vapu inokantu, sembe murungwa konduye. Manja mdana wasakasia riga siapranja pwino familie kwa npacharupanu and wasaka, chaminwa zakatan. Wam mutufuka usita vapu no sa twa kumbuki. Baisi utiva kumbuki. M tusanga ipe vonsanga wame vonsi bativa kumbuki, ba isiu pazamini vinsu chita, tikumbuka maniningu ktuka kumbuka kuti zona, batati zonaida. Ba isiu is inamtima chipunavantu, wam tu zinka na mtima wachi fundo navantu zika in zida vanzarko. Chapita pamza comachi pali. Ba ba ambasa da ba mwamba, kuli be muminisana depo riceumba. Chaminina kambiason chaputi muntu ali yes andia infa. Si pita chabu a capena wamine naw nela bamma estarum wizaperea parya mama estaru pamini pajano. Mumfuamina kamba kutines na kuepo rice nimba mwanda. Nde wamina zakamba kutia inena infasis a canni fe. Shifuchamini machita ba mdara wasit inu chabuin. Cut se na mach eight on kutin no, butinawa mach eight bam very. Kani ma brownya minima pasama browny in the loop sika and e chani kai couldbena kutiba canneva kuti eye bamineb chitika spapu moshua wonsyoka mushu shani mutwampu watch. Una cala pwanyu wonce was yok ticaba show and shava money. Tisangalapu comamu wasati youngana BMH M Z D Bapura Patient Patienth August. Bamuamba can be van Bungara quin sends a being.

SPEAKER_27 1:48:01

Thank you very much. Hello caller, please tell us your name and why you're calling us from another contribution. Uh uh good evening, Amanda. Good evening, good evening.

SPEAKER_16 1:48:11

Uh this is Ab calling you from uh Monday. Yes, my brother, but uh let me also be part of the person of this program. Amanda, um the first of all very, very disappointed for our president. We thought when we voted for this man, we thought that we are going to change, you know, as a tongue, we forgot to go. But to be honest, what we have seen, what we have heard, it is totally a disappointment, it's an embarrassment. I know I did not like Longo, but now I don't think that uh Lungo has even had the time so much better than this evil man. Bam Wamba as a tonga, even today to stand and pronounce myself to other people, is an embarrassment. That's a division that he has caused, that's a division that he has brought on us. Yes, we don't agree with the previous government in the way things and things were happening. Perhaps it was on tribal point of view. To the church today, to the church today, where we we we as people, we at one point went to church. Even the Bible tells us that when you have a problem, come to me, and these bishops they are such a letter. But Magrando, we know that he has been a candle for UK. But even though we know there's even that man, what's his name? Bishop Musosu will come out very strong and the distance himself. But when we expect the deal to give guidance, because as a as a church, you should give guidance, guidance to the best of your ability and best of Bible. But if they have turned your back, just like the previous callers mentioned that they have embraced the brown embedded. This is disrespecting and an embarrassment. He was a youth of our pastor. And I agree that indeed he did not move away in the right way. And whatever happens, I see him as a businessman, not as a church, as a plage. When people thought Banda maybe can do better, even him is in the same pledge. He's doing contrary. And indeed, the Bible says that the judgment shall stand in the house of God. Indeed, these people, they have betrayed you. They are embarrassing to this country. In my ending remarks, Ambassador Mamba, I want you at one time on this program, my head is speaking how this country was formed. Even the name and how it was put about. It's nothing but a country that itself has an orden. Maybe we are forgotten. Please, we are we are we are lost as a country because of this evil brother of mine. Um seventh and above. He is an evil president we have never seen. Thank you.

SPEAKER_27 1:51:53

Thank you very much. People are reprimanding me in my comments. In the comments, I was reading the comments. They said I'm not allowing people to speak. No, sometimes I have to give guidance. And sometimes when uh an untruth has been spoken and I know it is not true, I do make the correction. It's not that I want to hinder. Remember, the whole purpose of this program is to let our people speak. That is the purpose of this program. It's not to hinder you. So I thought I could make that um clarification. Okay, let's call, let's call so that we I've put on the screen. If you can see on the screen, um there is a CCZ uh Secretary General, General Secretary, Reverend Canon James Peary. He has also issued a statement. This is a council of churches in Zambia, uh Secretary General, General Secretary, as they call them. This is what he has said. Literally, like I stated, like it looks like a script. You know, it looks like a script was written from statehouse, then distributed to people to say the same things. So this is what uh Reverend Colonel James Peary has uh has issued. Uh he says the Council of Churches in Zambia has taken note of the proposed national memorial activities being organized in honor of the late Sixth Republican president, Dr. Edgar Chagalungu. CCZ wishes to clarify that it is neither participating nor endorsing the proposed national memorial activities. This position is informed by the fact that late former president has not been laid to rest. The council's considered view is that the nation's immediate priority should be to facilitate a dignified, honorable, and mutually agreeable solution to the outstanding matter surrounding the burial of the former head of state. Sure. We should prioritize now. Where have you been the last one year? Why haven't you been as vocal as stopping a memorial service? Why haven't we seen your vibrancy when it comes to condemning or even publicly telling the president to stay away? At least the the previous general secretary told the president, I have a video here and I'll play it. He was very clear. He said, Mr. President, if the family wishes that you stay away, please stay away. Your predecessor at least spoke for the people and for the family. But Reverend Canon James Peary here, he says, uh, let me quote what is important here. They are saying that I want to why they are saying that a memorial cannot take place before burial. In our understanding, memorial activities are more appropriately held after burial has taken place. In Iran, there was a special church service praying for his safe return. That's what you do. They didn't know whether he was alive or dead, but the church immediately gathered in Washington and prayed for the safe return of that pilot. The late president, we still don't have his body. The matters are locked up in court. President Akainde Hlema has failed to provide leadership on this. It's been one year. People cannot gather and remember the late president. And to whose benefit is a memorial? Is this even biblical? Maybe make your contribution and tell us the verse that these two churches with this with the with a you with a uniform script, which the vishued is saying. That's Reverend Canon James Peary. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:11

But now the churches have turned to be politicians. That's why, Ambassador, we have got no direction. The church was supposed to bring unity and harmony between the family and the government, but which is not the case. The church is aligned with the government, they are not there to help the relative family of Israel. If they claimed in the court of law to say, we want to give a dignified value, they were supposed in the first place to be sure to be seen by their fruits. But what we are seeing out is not good. We are very far away from reality, and the churches nowadays are scared of the government of the day. We don't know where they stand, they cannot speak for the people. I give a thumb to the Catholic Church how they have been standing up to say no to the justice, the ongoing uh confusion in the country, the Catholic is there to stand up for the people. But all these churches, I don't know if it envelopes. I don't know. I don't know where we are going. The church has become corrupt to an extent of when they see money, they cannot stand and tell the government. Can you hear me, Ambassador?

SPEAKER_27 1:59:12

Yes, yes, you are alive, my brother. Continue.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:15

Yes, yes. So the God sent Prophet Nathan to give rebuke and to tell off the king. Why? They served the living God. Prophet Nathan was not on the side of the of the king just because this is the king, he has got power, he has got what? No, he stood on the ground. You have murdered, and God shall punish you. And the child that you shall have out of this child, this woman shall not leave. Prophets, men of God, are there to give answer to the leaders according to what God is saying. If churches are scared to confront the leaders, they are not in the right state. And I can assure you, the church in Zambia is crippled. They are scared. What is happening is because the plant goes to the church. When a maleti president wanted to incite some blues, the Catholic at Bishop, he stood up and said, Mr. President, this is you. And I'm so surprised the STS are why which God do they say if men of God are kidding my voice? I'm here to challenge you bring order, bring order in our nation, bring order in our nation. We don't want what is happening, we don't want all we need to confront the head of state, advise it with the wise counsel, endeavored uh Prophet Samuel to guide him. Which God are you serving as men of God in our nation? Are you giving guidance to the head of state? Are you giving counsel to him? Ambassador, thank you so much. I may have many things to say. Let me give platform to other people. God bless you.

SPEAKER_27 2:01:34

Thank you very much. Family will be concluding the program. Um, I'll take maybe another five or so set of calls. Tomorrow at the Regina Passes Catholic Church in Chawama, there is a memorial service that is being held in honor of the late president. Provinces are expected to hold similar memorials. But we, as we've seen in frantic efforts by both CCZ and DFZ, they've banned their members, they banned their followers, they burned their sanctuaries, they have banned their places of worship to be used, and they've threatened to punish any of their leaders, clergy who will participate in this process. Last month, look, answering what uh CCZ and EFZ are saying, last month, a solemn prayer, a memorial service for the late president was held at Prince Christian Center. Was there a body there when a memorial was held at Prince Christian Center last month? How can they say we cannot allow the memorial to take place because there's no body that and the late president hasn't been put to rest? Is that is that biblical? You know, like uh like Jesus Christ said, you know, maybe it's time to flip the tables. So we'll be uh concluding. I'll invite the last callers to come on, and uh, there have been other developments that we we usually discuss current affairs here. The major issue is Garin Kombo has resigned from the UPND. You are aware that the law requires that uh an independent MP must resign from their party two months before elections. Two months before elections will be 13th um June. Uh so you either be disqualified by ECZ if you have not resigned, or you have to offer a resignation and Garin Kombo has opted to resign from UPND and he has um uh uh uh uh will continue to stand as an independent MP. There have been a court ruling on independent MPs uh where Isaac Mwanza wanted the 103 MPs uh candidature to be nullified. The court has thrown out that application. It didn't meet it on procedure, it didn't meet any of the procedural requirements. So the court has not even attended to the argument they've just thrown. But ECZ issued guidance and stated that uh those candidates who belong to the other parties but are standing as independent, they have up to 13th June to resign. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution. Yes, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give your contribution, others are national body, but as a nation we have only you will be our time when we do not know what next is going to happen in this nation.

SPEAKER_29 2:05:50

Our emotions are high, we feel not but Lord we remember that we have a covenant, and we pray that the best of that covenant we remember this nation, that put to shame all the plans of heaven, that those that gather in sacred places, Lord, to determine evil over this nation shall be brought back to shame. That Lord, you expose all wickedness, you expose all evil plans of people over this nation. That indeed, oh God, just like you deliver this nation from its beginning, you deliver this nation where we are going. We thank you because you are faithful and you've been faithful over this nation. In Jesus' name we pray.

unknown 2:06:44

Amen.

SPEAKER_27 2:06:45

Amen. Amen. Thank you very much. I'm grateful. Someone just called from Johannesburg and felt a need to pray for our nation. He says, That country has uh a covenant with our Lord Jesus Christ, and he says, is literally invoking on Christ Himself to rise because his his prophets, his men of God have betrayed that cause. And uh, what a powerful prayer. Um after this, let me just play the tribute to the late president, and then I invite the last five callers.

SPEAKER_18 2:07:25

June 5th, 2025. That's the day he took his last breath. Over 365 days have gone by. No resting place, no final peace, just petty, vindictive politics. My fellow Zambians, look at what they are doing to our very own.

SPEAKER_19 2:07:52

This is not who we are. We gotta get our country back.

SPEAKER_27 2:10:20

I'll pre I'll play that tribute towards the end. I can see my phone is buzzing, people still want to speak. But someone asked me that can you just briefly recount the life of our country and this covenant with our Lord Jesus Christ? Um, you will remember the famous David Livingstone. You know, the Victoria Force is the one that named it, and he was the first white man to see it. And he had two uh loyalists who he was moving with. Uh, you remember Chuma and Susi. Many people think that they are either Ilas or Tongas. I can't remember what the history says. But on May 1st, you know, it's been 153 years. On May 1st, 1873, at the age of 60, David Livingstone was going back to the coast. Because I used to walk all the way up to Darislam, where then he would catch a ship to Europe to back to uh to England. He was a Scottish explorer commissioned by by the king. But on that fetish day on May 1st, 1873, plagued by malaria and dysentery, and you are so weakened. So he asked uh Chief Chtambo there in Serenje. Chtambo now is a new district, and he asked if uh uh they could give him a place to rest. And you know, our our people are very hospitable. He was with uh Chumi and Susi and other helpers.

unknown 2:11:59

Um

SPEAKER_27 2:12:00

And he lay on his knees and died. But he recorded a prayer about where he was. And this is what he said. He said, Lord, on this land where I rest my bended knees, let it become a mighty Christian nation. A beacon of hope to the African continent and a light to the rest of the world. There was no northern province. I mean no northern Rhodesia at the time. This is 1873. Remember, the first time there is any agreement about this land is in 1890 with King Lewanika. So this is many years before. But David Livingstone's prayer was that Lord, on this land where I rest my bended knees, let it become a mighty Christian nation, a beacon of hope to the African continent, and a light to the rest of the world. It cannot be what it has become. Where is darkness to the rest of the world? Where we are now being ridiculed. Where you have men of God speaking for evil instead of speaking for Christ, where you have men of God who are not speaking for the widow and the orphan and the weak, but are speaking and standing for the powerful, justifying the narrative of the powerful. And uh let me take your last call. And how did Zambia become a Christian nation? Another asked. It's from this foundation 153 years ago. So when you see Dr. Kaunda in 1964, a day before independence, dedicates a new flag and takes it to the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, at the Anglican Cathedral of the Holy Cross, and deposits it. Back to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. He's walking in the path and prophecy of David Livingstone. That prophecy said on his bended knees in Stambu, in Serengia. When you see Dr. Kaunda come the following year and writes that uh emotional story that Zambia will be dedicated to God. Look at that letter. I published it in 1965 letter commemorating Zambia's first-year anniversary. Of course, then Dr. Kaunda, you know, begins to seek other gods. He explores other gods, invites other gurus, and you saw what happened in the later 80s. And God himself rose to restore our country back to God. Raise Dr. Frederick Chilova. When you see, before that, let me speak to the ministry of Dr. Never Smoomba. He might be disregarded and disregarded now, but the Lord played the key role on Never Smumba in the 80s, where he gave him a mission that Zambia should be saved. And he became a rallying and crying voice, you know, especially for the evangelicals and for the growth of the evangelicals. We saw those big, big uh we used to call them crusades, where Reverend Bonke and others began to come to our country. They are all walking in the light of that prophecy. And you see that a new president that emerges from that spiritual movement is Frederick Chulua. And what does Frederick Chuba do? Immediately on 29th December, a few days after he won that election, he declared Zambia a Christian nation. A thing that David Livingstone had prophesied many, many a hundred years before. Dr. Chuluwa, many of us attribute Dr. Chuba's um declaration, you know, uh, that is the one that declared Zambia a Christian nation. But if you remember the words of David Livingstone a hundred years before, you can even credit David Livingstone as the one that literally declared our nation as a Christian nation. And when you see Mwanawasa come in, and there was a force to remove the Christian declaration in our constitution, Mwanawasa, who they expected would remove it, he didn't remove it, he strengthened it and even became a Baptist. Remember, it was Jehovah's Witness, even converted and became a Baptist and affirmed Zambia's declaration of a Christian nation. Then remember when um uh uh Rupiah Banda didn't do much in relation to the spiritual standing of our country, but he also affirmed in the uh constitutional process that was going on that he would return Zambia as a Christian nation. You saw in 2011 when uh uh uh uh President Michael Sataroz said I would rule on the basis of the Ten Commandments. Edgar Lungo. Wow, what a spiritual leader! He says we build a temple for the church, who build a church, a national church, non-interdenominational, where people pray. He declared October 18th as a day for fasting, reconciliation, and just a national day of prayer. He restored God back to the front of the politics. 2021, we have seen even President Akainde Echilema, whatever we accuse him of, he has said we will uphold Zambia as a Christian nation. The funders and sponsors expected him to uh accept you know the alphabet, as we call that community of the alphabet, and to allow those gay rights. President Hakainde Echilema, whatever his thoughts in this, he has said it will not happen. And the declaration of Zambia as a Christian will go, he has proceeded to declare even 29th uh December, the day that uh President Frederick Chihuahua declared as a day of uh national prayer. I mean, Zambia as a Christian nation, a public holiday to remember that Zambia is a Christian nation. Evil that is currently reigning will be swept away. This is God's own apple. You know, the apple of his eye is Zambia in Africa, and it's not my word. You should look at what David Livingstone said about our land, shall be a beacon of hope, and a light to the world, will be a beacon of hope for Africa and a light to the world. So those are not um small words. Let me go back to the cause. I know there are people are calling because I said I'll be closing. Hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_15 2:19:22

Good evening, Ambassador Momba.

SPEAKER_27 2:19:24

Good evening.

SPEAKER_15 2:19:35

At this crucial moment, you will each alo chance to learn if I umba yeah, we killabant was a pombo m pezeni. Another thing also, it is important on the evo of one of the great son of this well, who atekelechalo, seven, let the president, ilutuleve wokisha, utu lave wukishama ilu wakwanya umwakaumo. No mbachimu a mwambesu na la landako. Info wile wakwalesa, kabinilesa, ewa ishiva chila muntuna umo, ishita atatuita pesambaliya chalo. Nelyo twaika la pesa balaya chalo, atupela ishita, no utuungulushi. Tufetwa ishivu kwebati, u ishiku wwesu wwele. Uwa mailo, wwa kwa lesa, echa lingasana, ilu twes tefish on setunetun tongkanya. Bamwamba, it's a very disgrace and very disappointing. Today, twa la kwa utubungwe, utu lunisha pamashuya kua lesa. Utubungu tuwa palanga wa Zambia evangelical evangelical fellowship of Zambia na CCZ. Awaman tuba file ba iminina pa chishinka no kuleta umutende. Just as the salemone on the mountain, you know yes walan that only peacemakers shall be called children of God. Bamwamba liti pone shamu no mchalo. First, I want to ask when the evangelical fellowship came up with a decision, instruct all the member churches that we kwata memorial service. Where did they go to consensus? Because all the uh palismatic or pentecost churches, members church, bali we push it to fumineshop, na bishop uimakando, na joshua banda. Because awantu ever pang every and whatever they can sit, three of them and think musewa konka. Muchenge nawa la vikama bokupami twe yenu. Vengi awa la itua awala itung tungulushi na wachima pepo. But mpa timuago, mwa ba fimbi. This isemu, aplike botumini, siseti. Wa mwamba tuwali kwetewa jafeti njovo, twa likuetewa levrandi, susin matali. The stoot for the people, they stood for vulnerable people. No tia watu kwetiava wa tuli mo. Etu wale twu kweba titu la tetekelasana, muwantu awe minina kuntash. Kwaantwavantu. Kutwa tu wishadekin disappoint you. Gefinifi a chitika. Putumkanye ukuwu kishu muntu of mape samba ya chalo, umulanduwa kuva tiva political affiliation. Gefinu mulangreba mwamba. Yeah, in a statement. It was draft from state house, no kuba pila. Emachimbechu nai wushakwa wena Zambia. Wa bisho po musoso, ba patasana leadership he from the northern region. Wa mulaye wukisha even during 20 zero one, he was in the forefront uh pushing the the oasis for them. But after Chuba's the third term, he came so very close and supporting Manawasa. When Manawasa died, Baru Pia Banda wawa president, wa pomusus draw. When Wasata became president, it even became West. So you awa ntu, tube shime nintampulo shabo, nemi mone kelebo. Batuakuna wakum patu pawafienabo. Ii tika mzambia, to letwa mzambia mono, kapali fini shukotuala kwata, to loma mbala neufwa yominelosa, a sala, alisala po chamuntu, alimu pangiro sikuba fuma pesambali chano. Uba chemna watinbi, a presentwanu fintu, ifo tu walu fing besambala chalo. Uta kua tabino zamba fatu kapo. Twaf shoka tibutu. Ava mutupo orisamo. Tinimoneko lindi. But kun tam shoko tukawa nosakesa chu akelkesa yu ilula. If itulta mumisao. Twila shete kalesa, ukulai te chichawa tesamas a christian nation. It's just a christian nation about by paper, but imageu, evi, no muntusha u chi, awamapo. Thank you, Awamba.

SPEAKER_27 2:25:31

Thank you very much, thank you. Alo cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_16 2:25:41

Nenevo, nenevo, nenewo chanda pa not me diapand baku. I'm asking that if you may uh allow us that this discussion can go on tomorrow because the fact that we are discussing the clergy, who many of us belong to. And maybe this could be a platform to express ourselves, because we cannot express ourselves in church. Uh and the we know things, but we cannot come out in church. But we find this platform to be very useful that we can speak. But may you please uh give us more time that we can discuss it further. If it means tomorrow, if it means even bringing those fools on this program, let it be so that we speak to their face that they should hear on a hot seat. Thank you.

SPEAKER_27 2:26:32

I think we will have a discussion tomorrow. We'll see how the Lord blesses us with time. We will uh we will uh uh uh uh uh discuss this matter tomorrow. Uh now let me go to the phone lines and take the cause.

SPEAKER_08 2:26:54

Good evening, Ambassador Maramba.

SPEAKER_27 2:26:56

Good evening as Kwakaputa Kunkai. Mkwai Maya Kwa Kaputa Landenipo.

SPEAKER_10 2:27:07

Um Ina Zambia, it's in teacher to Ponya M Fayaba Lungo Charlie Umkaliwa Sana Kumiti. Napano akawa e counta panchua e kunta panji, umukali umbiu piace. Napalature in the chun to send waku, mwa case, meaning in a lighter way erodia cossesha, a young memorial service java never. Now it's a good one Christianity. It's a chapter chicko Genesis, Revelation, question New Testament. Memorial service, um. Twelve my denominations are Catholic, Maoichtawa, Ma Sti, Ma Lutheran, Ba Baptist, Number, Memorial Service, Yesu Christian Fuire, because we are Christians. Followers of so and so, followers of so and so. I mean, we are followers of Christ. So Aba Le Konka Yesu Abasambiba. Nabala won't say aba abasambala twelve. Nabaturika Pobala, like mana may abalipela, ubi pingo akwa yesu Christo, like my Joana choza to fight bagibakashibaba kangala. Ba Mary Magdalene Ambaf Micha Mishander seven. Ba Priscilla, Naba meba, twenty two, but my tent makers quite fair fire poor. Number Aba to Iro Yesuwa Fire. Umaka umapindurukire. Abasia Ama apostles, out of the disciples, taquari, aba is paquibish. Bible is a record to correct me, batuma papine pamblavas. Lenu, Yesu Christu, Ari Shile, Ukulai Shenfiya kwe. Ukali shen fire kupantu a to woka, adi to be a kufa. Numba munku tamku to kupa tulukana. How we interpret the Bible differently in different denominations. Emualinga, to suminesana muli memorial service, yamu temuekawa s ufu. Tula chate muma chya psana psana muze pana mundu panama families. Babino babana dikana tenth memoria kwashkulu or twentieth or twentieth ago apashkular filire. Ubalamantu. Tubali ki fila fina treva sansa. Now, coming backika weshima egaluku Apapali u kupakaswa. Uku pakasua, kuyu kukulu sana ba batila landa formerally before in the batilanda kupanopali kukulu tibonkuba Zambia Christian nation no babichitri yesu tie planyfu so we should not be calling ourselves Christians. Uh-uh. Uh uesho wishila abina Christu. After the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation, mokama kaba chiruba. Wali shirio wesho naba Zambia nation team bari fui. It's kuru for the whole nation. Napelafio example aktia. Uhina Chris to Maribayengi. Lelo tu ali tua kukti na kua twa ishua that file ukube empoka. Back to memorial service. Aba sandiba yesu Christ Balama apostosama for the four gospels first. A baby shabedi. It's Paul who came to teach in first Corinthians eleven, Holy Communion, each in Tampa. Yes, when he was about to be arrested, money. Ah, quite each in Tampa Navina, my disciples. Judas is carried. But Paul was persecuting Abina Christo. But when Jesus appeared to him, when the poor baby foundile fiance, including quite a holy communion, but the baby Jesus Christ actually participated in the deaths of others. But Lazarus have to get by no need for memorial service. Memorial service, yeah, some denominations to biblical. If I such a weekend, memorial is a bad that's where we best our Christianity. If Christ didn't resurrect, no question to Ishuma, but to a push. The Prince of Peace. Now Tila Kubashima Peppa Pend and Demonama posting Zamia Landati. So I mean a Christian persecuted Christian women. We have popular songs of it's the same thing in family so much. Nobody but don't worship. That's a beautiful thing to look at. But if anything, Joshua no cool shaky. But we manage each a lack of a lion with a feeling to have to work at another. Let's go back to campaign. Campaign and remove who would take. We can't see ourselves to ever live under this government another five years. No, in Jesus' name. I don't even want to pronounce it that way. Nalomba kunaimosoktila. In Jesus' name. Tawa kapite. We need a David in Jesus' name. I am sure Tamwitimuya we sh inga um Herod Achili Alietina. Herod Ali, Pusha Kulinfu na inbi fiarwene winga fialawa na chukana tuwa ku Skololo. Na no inga fiala, pusha in no inefumo. Some people see themselves as the first and the last of presidents in this country of Zambia.

unknown 2:34:49

No.

SPEAKER_10 2:34:49

Unless Jesus comes today, then we shall have the last ruling party and president as President Hagainde and UPND. But if Jesus tarries, we still have to have more presidents and different political parties. It's now a church. So he can't apply for presidential candidature in or under that party. So she a measure question. Oh my lord and my god, doing it wambisam with a tubua. So then ever so the past to do a wantu. Every time to go meeting locked. Away. We are the same voters that voted, okay, nutoma vota. But then I voted twice in the kawanda time. So you tula vota to a change of teko. But wachinchy wakaka won the ine to ka chincha. But it's the same thing mu parliament was emwa. If the opposition in twenty in the twenty years that you pnd has been in opposition was as you know hard as the UPND Warmuja Parliament. But it's a block everywhere. There's a wukokumayro. Internet is full of things that when you hear Namunda wa kuma, na appetiteapua, where you feel embedded for your nation, quite embedded in Yamu Senge, but Chalokuru kupe. So you mumwe want to take a party if you find us. We have to go back to God. They don't have confidence in themselves. Now Langripo once Panuk Nati, it's a lesson tape of Wa Wumpa. Okay.

SPEAKER_27 2:38:06

So Myos Natasha, thank you, Mwena Kaputa. Thank you, Mwena Kaputa, Natasha Sana. Thank you. Hello, Cola. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. My nameless, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_09 2:38:24

Thank you so much. Well, Bamwamba, before I could say anything, I would like to extend my support to Mama Esther Lungu and her family. Yeah, we need to support them so much. You know, being a woman, I know what she's been going through. You know, it's so shocking. There are so many issues in Zambia that uh you don't even know which one to pick on to talk about. If I have I think it's just the part of it. So if you fill it, to file to kate pe to quate patience, pantunga tua kwata patiency, e alafu. Umland wakuwa tbale shasana fintwifingi ifia kufuga nyafi. Ehloba mwamba, ukubu kisha umuntu wafwa, it's part of our our life, it's part of our living. If you have issue, afwa. Bamwamba, I'm taking you back to the 70s. I can't remember the time it happened because I was very young by then. I'm one of those people who lost an uncle in Mufrira disaster. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, Bamwamba. I can't remember. Yeah, Mkwai. I'm one of them who left, I mean, who lost my uncle. Yeah, and that was my first uncle. Bamwamba, we were our neighbors in Mufrira, because I was born in Mufrira. We were our neighbors. But since then, Bamwamba, we have never seen not even a born. But to this day, we still remember when it happened. We still remember my uncle. We just imagined him the way he was, and he was very young. He was only 20 years old.

SPEAKER_27 2:41:03

Because I remember disaster actually came off disaster. Uh it happened in September 1970.

SPEAKER_09 2:41:28

Kansai Techiro. To this day, Takwa Nangu Boni Nanguimweaf Male Tulebukisha, Tulebukisha, Tuladi Langa, Tua Ibukisha, Takwa Ukukana yukisha Vantuwa. This is the only thing I wanted to remind Awava Lelando Kwebati, Teti Mupange Memorial, Ukwa Lokika. Ngabadiabantubestu atala tubamonapo, that waterabatuba monapo to this tatuamonapu nagui boni nagufi mo. Eh, so ifuna chilafuanda. So can she fitan fichira mo to fitua to awava kosa pantu insteo to fikilepo e very sensitive, very sensitive pantuku fulunga fulunga and your sala pocket abantuba fulu. If we thank you very much.

SPEAKER_27 2:42:21

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, caller, pressela your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 2:42:31

This is precious and only for me, still.

SPEAKER_27 2:42:35

Precious, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 2:42:38

First and foremost, I want to encourage the family to our former president, Mr. Chukalungu, to continue being strong and just put your trust in God. Coming to this uh bishop or bishop, I don't know if it's Namakando or whatever that one from the bed of life. I'm disappointed with that man because if it was other people, they were not even supposed to come out in that manner. They know that Marung he died a painful day, and now they can say that there is no need of remembering him. What was the meaning of that? And why do they even call themselves pastors? This is not right, you know. This is the reason why most of the people these days they don't believe in these men of God, they're just there, just to fall the nation. It's not right. Some of us were hurt because a very good man, and he was a man who never used to choose who you should love or who you should not have. He interacted with each and everyone, including them when they were stuck.

SPEAKER_27 2:44:08

Thank you very much. Thank you. It's very, very painful. Uh family, we is there anyone who's wishes to call? I saw I missed a lot of calls. I'm so sorry. We can only take so many calls, but uh sometimes you the callers stay on the line far longer. And you know, then I have so many missed calls. I'm so sorry, but uh we have to close. We may hold a special broadcast tomorrow.

SPEAKER_23 2:44:39

Um we are sad as have a statement from some named groupings who want to bring confusion, especially this time around when we are mourning. There are people who are planning tomorrow, Friday, as they arrive at our airport Chapata, they have mobilized motorbike riders for them to gain marriage from the airport, probably up to Ipenduki, which is a head off, if those plans are there, can they stop? Because now they are going to see the the other side of the police, you cannot gain marriage, probably up to Ipenduki, which is a head of if those plans are there, can they stop? Because now they are going to see the the other side of the police. You cannot gain marriage out of lawlessness. My officers and I we're not sleeping, and this information is credible, is valid, authentic because we are working with the our dear uh uh people.

SPEAKER_17 2:46:30

So I am alus, don't somehow be fire, so I am a luxe, don't somehow be fire, so I'm a malut, don't some beat, where my fifth twenty twenty-five.

SPEAKER_18 2:46:55

That's the day he took his last breath. Over three hundred and sixty-five days have gone by. No resting place, no fighting place. Look at what they're doing to our very old.

SPEAKER_19 2:47:21

We gotta get up.

SPEAKER_27 2:48:29

Thank you very much. We'll be closing the program tomorrow. There's a memorial service for the late president. It will be held at Regina Passis, uh, St. Regina Passis Catholic Church in Chawama. When you have a moment, please go and be with um uh Tasila Lungu and members of the family that will be remembering the late president in Chawama. Hello, Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from. Hello, Cola. Hello, yes, Cola, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_02 2:49:04

Yes, this is Emmanuel.

SPEAKER_27 2:49:07

Emmanuel, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_02 2:49:10

Yes, Mr. Mwamba, your excellencies, we thank you for the good work that you are doing. Uh when you see what is happening in this country, when you see the people who are supposed to stand on behalf of the voices choose to side with where Anna is leaking, then you have a problem.

SPEAKER_03 2:49:34

At one time, when I heard people like Bishop Joshua Banda who are sent to South Africa to negotiate, I said this is just a joke and it's a mocker to the family. Because the person who sent them is somebody who does not have a speed of give and take. For him, once he sends people to negotiate, it's a question of making sure that those people they are negotiating with power to what he wants. That is it about what the hit that about the heat that we have to take. For him, if he makes a step and he stands on this point, that's it. There's nothing like that. This is the other side sacrifice one step. To him, it is you to just back back to back pay to the and the and the you know, just give in to what he is demanding for what he wants. That is what that's what all about. This is the reason why we have people are giving him the former president for Malay Bakeri Murusa to withdraw. Because they knew that for you what the whatever stand the government made, it was final they are not going to change their mind, and they will never change their mind on that one. Okay, it's quite unfortunate that we can have the former head of setup to be for the year now grocking, and we have noted parody, simply because of one individual. On the pretext that because it's the government, uh, and the government have heard to preside over that. That is just uh you know, just a very dilemma excuse. The government does not be mean the president himself. He could have even sent some people there to like for the vice president. Since the family made it very clear that we were very late to bury the the former president in the country, provided this with the the the president is not there. Just in case some people may not remember, it was agreed that the first the president would when the board arrives in this country, he has to the borders to go through to to Copa Beauty, then to but when they sat together they agree that okay, fine, as long as the uh the president won't be around there, we agree that they won't make that this thing. Or then that was a sacrifice which the family made. If that was the government changed their mind, and it's quite important that some people can still even today blame the family as if they are the one who problem is. I just wonder what people are just people to understand how some business that they can be so much cheated, even up to the up to the this time. Somebody cheated you five years ago, and they still want to want you to cheat you. That you should also bring it one way. That I always get surprised at when they talk about the the day, the date, that they keep on always repeating that they left a lot of coconut. For instance, my mom, by the way, if you borrowed the five thousand, in for instance, in in ten years, you have you buy bread, you buy this and that, everything. I think that most of the things that people needed. Me, I come and come and borrow ten thousand just in two years' time. I don't see anything, I don't buy anything. Nobody sees you and sees anything that I've used that money for, and I still come and start even teasing you and telling the people that this Mr. Mamba borrowed regularly. Who is recruiting between you and I? You borrow five thousand in ten years. People are able to see what you have done in that money. I come and pay and borrow 10,000, and I don't do anything out of that within a short period of time. I can even still have a have a have that audacity to say you borrowed regression. Sometimes I wonder what they take us to Zambians. I don't know whether it is now self-hof to be allowed in such a money. Somebody says they destroyed, and yet for them they found the minimum at 150, it's now 200. If you were at 17, what is now almost 30,000? Somebody said this, they destroyed it anyway.

SPEAKER_27 2:53:30

Thank you. You know, it's very nothing. You know, for the last point is when somebody said hello, colour. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_15 2:53:44

You're still alive.

SPEAKER_27 2:53:46

Yes, I am. I'm just about to close. Do you want to speak to me privately?

SPEAKER_29 2:53:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_27 2:53:53

Okay, I'll call you. I'm just closing. Okay, family. So tomorrow join the broadcast and um, and um tomorrow join the broadcast and uh we'll be grateful if you attend the memorial. It's in honor of the late president. It is to his honor. There are great attempts by status to stop this process. We are lucky that some churches across the country will host this memorial despite the threats that are coming from CCZ and EFZ. And today, the chairpersons of provincial uh pastors' fellowship were being called by the provincial police commissioners that have a word from both CCZ and from EFZ not to allow the memorial services in the provinces to take place. So this is not just an action of the police collaborating with CCZ and EFZ, and we had to call them. Looks like my dear sister from Caputa. My dear sister, do you still wish to contribute?

SPEAKER_10 2:55:04

Okay, now to Tasan. Uh back on for a shakunachi lafa oklanda, popal one for memorial. But I don't like this read. We banda. That's one year after infayonse. Ya ba shubantuwa fianguana kulubantushimuana ngunamwana. A ba lupa bale kulungana, bachana seni ku senga bamobala lila mobambi yawi. Ava kuri la to kumushi bambuti mwalanda you we've witnessed this or you've heard of this. So it's a memorium church of the first year. We're not good kumbachi chokebale chita. Nama fam desarchita. Kutilimuwa, it's a pain in the heart. Kumushi balachitay ceremony. Kutilina Kushika, Abachikuwara wanfu. That's a year after Muntafida fifth June.

SPEAKER_18 2:57:55

June fifth, twenty twenty-five. That's the date he took his last breath. Over three hundred and sixty-five days have gone by. No resting place, no final peace. Just petty vindictive politics. My fellow Zambians. Look at what they are doing to our very own.

SPEAKER_19 2:58:22

This is not who we are. We gotta get our country back. Whoa, whoa. We think we don't see their bitterness.

SPEAKER_20 2:58:42

Even the youth know about their pettiness. Over twelve months since the leader passed away. But that man is still blocking his burial today. Twisted the lots and settled an old score. Keeping the helpless widow, crying at the door. You think you are flexing your power, lifting the bar. But you've shown everybody how hateful you are. Shabalu, they won't let you sleep. The grudges they keep. This is not who we are. This is not our way. We will change this story on election day. We are not going. We are tired of the coaches, take your people. This is not who we are. Go to John, go anywhere in the land. When a man dies, we shake each other's hand. You drop the argument, you show some respect. That's the basic decency that we expect. But one angry man wants to play a wicked game. Trying to erase the former president's name. If they can treat a statesman with this much hate, don't even think they'll care about your fame. The project they keep. This is not who we are. This is not our way. We will change the story on election day. From number 13, your poet has the power to kick out the H and heal our land. This is not who we are This is not our way We will change the story on legendary We are not going to let them go Chagua Chagua Let the man We are tired of the brudes Take your people away Chagua, Chagwa, let the man rest who we are Few days to go before we get our country back Chagwa, Chagua, let him rest.

SPEAKER_18 3:02:22

Twelve months in the cold is enough. Soundgada. Remember this when you stand in line to vote. Edgar Chagua Lungu is still out in the cold, still waiting to sleep.