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Emmanuel Mwamba Verified
HOLDING ECL CHURCH SERVICES PART II
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LIVE NOW; WE RECOGNISE CHURCH SERVICES THAT HELD REMEMBRANCE SERVICES FOR ZAMBIA'S SIXTH PRESIDENT, EDGAR CHAGWA LUNGU
June 5th, 2025. That's the date he took his last breath. And over three hundred and sixty-five days have gone by. No resting place, no final peace. Just petty, vindictive politics. My fellow Zambians, look at what they're doing to our very own.
SPEAKER_20This is not who we are. We gotta get our country back.
SPEAKER_21Even the youth know about the petty nest.
SPEAKER_22Over twelve months, Mr. Leader passed away, but the man is still blacking the buried. Twisted the dot. You were flexing your power, but you've told everybody how hateful you are. Stop up.
SPEAKER_1512 months in the cold is enough. Remember this when you stand in line to vote. Edgar Chagua Lungo is still out in the cold. Still waiting to sleep.
SPEAKER_03In this, it is true that those who stand for right and justice, they may suffer just for a moment. But posterity remembers. Indeed, as the great teacher of the church at Tatulia does say that it is on the blood of Martha that they change the Lord. It is on the blood of Martha that they change. We in Zambia today we remember the luminary of our partner. Oh memory. Today we have one year and he occupied a huge political and social space in our country. If you ever remember Long as a Republic, it is what we did regarding the constitutionality at the risk of losing power in the constitution of the requirement. So as we gather together this afternoon, together with some members of the Google family, we say thank you for the update that we will contribute to our republic as we are going forward. There's a reason why God gifted us with the two. It's not supposed to be used to divide the people. We are not supposed to politicize and weaponise the tribes in Zambia. That is wrong.
SPEAKER_37I'll be opening the phone lines for you to join in any of your tributes to the late president. Despite the boycott from the leadership of CCZ and DFZ, we saw various memorials held across the country. Today in Lusaka, there were two uh major memorials that were held. One at Regina Pass is Chawama Parish in Chawama, and the one that was held by the Lusaka Archdiocese. You have just seen Father Simbasa speak on behalf of the Archbishop of Lusaka, Dr. Alec Banda, and he gave a very powerful eulogy to the late president. However, where the incident in Chawama didn't end well because the convoy of Brian Munduwili, Tonse Pamosi, a presidential aspirant, accompanied by Makebizulu, the vice president running it. You saw that it was disturbed by an ambush by the UPND uh cadres. There is an attempt to portray, they picked some video somewhere else because when the cadres ran away, the PF cadres followed them and they found them at the campaign center for uh Nandu, my dear brother, Ebon Nandu's campaign center um in Shawama, where the asylums, the attackers had gone to hide, and the PF carders followed them to try to take them to the police. So they are using that video to show that the PF were the asylans or the provocators, when in fact it was UP and U mobilized because they were watching the church program in Chawama. They were watching, so they decided then to ambush the convoy of President uh uh Munduwile Bran Mundumile and Makebizulu. Those ugly scenes I think have been strongly condemned. Let me pick the video for uh Bran Munwile condemning those particular uh uh videos. But let's listen to Father Simpathy Indeed.
SPEAKER_03It is true that those who stand for right adjust, they may suffer just for a moment, but posterity remember. Indeed, as the great teacher of the church, Tatullia does say that it is on the blood of Martha that they change. It is on the blood of Martha that they change. We in Zambia today we remember the preliminary of our republic of happy memory today in my occupied a new political and social strength in our country. Credit for that. That is leadership. Not putting your personal interest into the laws of the republic. But looking at the greater picture of the republic. Looking at posterity and the future of the country. He signed a constitution that had the 50% plus one. A complete change from a simple majority past the post. So we thank him for that aspect that God gave him to look at the bigger picture of the third republic. Also, he was quite a sociable person, simple and ordinary, and yet president of the republic. It is not in dispute that he was a man of many gifts. At one point, he held three portfolios even before he became president. There was a time when he was acting president, minister of defense, and secretary general of the party. It is a gift. Three portfolios. One person. And so we are grateful to God for the gift of Edgar Chagwarungu and his contribution to our republic as we have come to know it. He loved citizens irrespective of ethnic growthings. He had friends across the vast span of our republic, never using people to his own personal ends. So as we gather together this afternoon, together with some members of the Lungo family here present, we say thank you for the aspect that Lungo contributed to our republic as we have come to know it. Be that as it may, going forward, let us pray for this country. You see, my dear sisters and brothers, there's a reason why God gifted us with 72 tribes in Zambia. If you want, you can even make them 73, you add the Chinese. There's a reason. All these ethnic groups, they are meant to praise God in their language, in their cultures. Language is for purposes of praising God.
SPEAKER_34Today we had um the change service service. And uh after twelve, soon after the service ended, we were driving through Chawan, waving and showing support to all our orders. When a group of European defenders advanced from the front and began throwing stones. For what reason? I do not know. So to start with, I want to call upon the leadership of the UPND to immediately condemn the violence that has happened in Java. We want to warn the leadership of the UPND, that the Zambian people not watch uh the UPND go to this level, to this peaceful profession. The Zambian people would want to see the leadership of the UPND against Vers UPND is in power now until uh this year. What is expected of them is to lead by example. If at all they would want to lead a peaceful campaign period, they should start by condemning the value. Remain calm as um the land as a member will continue to promote peaceful love and unity even during during this uh very difficult period. That the incident in Chuan is indeed regrettable, and that uh the political parties behind that violence should refrain from causing mayhem.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. That's uh leader presidential candidate for the Tonse Pamzi Alliance, Bran Mundubilim. Uh speaking, you know, he's also National Reconciliation Party for Unity and Prosperity Presidential Candidate. That's the official ticket of the two alliances for the president. He was condemning the violence that occurred in Chawama. Civil Society groupings have also issued a very strong warning uh in light of the incidences of violence that have escalated their Action Aid Zambia, Alliance for Community Action Zambia, Bloggers of Zambia, Caritas Zambia, Chapter 1 Foundation, Jesuit Center for Theological Reflection, LCK Freedom Foundation, Transparency International, Panos Institute of Southern Africa, and the Zambia Council for Social Development. These organizations have expressed alarm and they've called on the president. President Hakainde HLM is the one that is in charge of the parameters of peace and the instrument of violence. He's the one at the center's Republican president, and they've called him to halt this escalating violence. It has been going on for the last three into four weeks now. And the ugly scenes we saw in Chawamma were, as President Bran Munwili has reported, they were injuries. And as usual, they targeted those that they deemed came from the opposition, and the police arrested those from the opposition. We know where the police stand in this. President Hakinde Echrema has appointed loyalists and many from his tribe or from the region as police commissioners, and they are in full gear. The reason they were appointed, the entire reason, is this season. And they are not bringing peace, but instead promoting oppression. He'll be buried on Tuesday, but the bar, you know, the funeral is in full swing. And he's already issuing intimidatory statements, uh condemning. I don't know, in the same province, people use bikes, both motorcycles and bikes. And they don't come with trucks or or minibuses to welcome you when you come to the airport. He sees it as a problem that uh uh uh people are organizing that when leaders of the opposition come, that motorbikes will be at the airport. How is that a problem? You know, it's like he doesn't even know how eastern province works.
SPEAKER_36Groupings who want to bring confusion, especially this time around when we are mourning uh. There are people who are planning tomorrow, Friday, as they arrive at our uh airport Chipata, they have mobilized motorbike riders for them to gain marriage from the airport probably up to Ipenduke, which is a head-off. If those plans are there, can they stop? Because now they are going to see the the other side of the police. You cannot gain marriage out of lawlessness, Ipenduke, which is a head-off. If those plans are there, can they stop? Because now they are going to see the the other side of Ipenduke, which is a head-off. If those plans are there, can they stop? Because now they are going to see the the other side of the police.
SPEAKER_37You can and we know the other side of the police, we know what they are doing to Xavier Franklin Chungu. The Lusaka High Court has granted him bail. And there were instructions from State House, we understand, that Xavier Chungu should not be released at all. And Zambia Xevia Chungu, despite getting a high court order for his bail and meeting no bail conditions, there was even an attempt to harass uh the bail condition required that two civil servants. A matter that in itself is totally illegal. Courts now are demanding that civil servants should be the sureties. No, it should just be anyone who's credible, who can attest. Someone who fixed a border can be traced. But the courts are making it difficult for members of the opposition to get bail. I remember the entire four, five, six times that I was arrested, we were only saved by the civil servants who were members of parliament. That is the only reason we got those bail or police bonds, because they demanded that it should be a civil servant. And which civil servant will stand for an opposition leader? They will suffer victimization at the office. So despite all that, Xavier Chung managed to get bail. And the police frustrated him. They didn't release him yesterday. They kept on saying they needed to verify the sureties. But we knew where they were going because we already had information that he should not be released. Xavier Chung has been slapped with 11 counts already and is facing multiple punishment if convicted of in excess of 25 years. Because the State Securities Act that they are accusing him of flouting and discussing matters when he was Director General between 1991 and 2002, they say he's divulging secrets. That is a very extremely punitive law. And you can go in minimum 25 years. So if he's got 11 offenses for the interviews he gave on Z Podcast, on Millennium TV, and on Capital FM, and you've watched those interviews, they are totally innocent. If there is anything that Xavier Chungu could have spoken that uh could alarm the country, he spoke in it, in his almost six-hour testimony in the High Court in a matter uh between uh uh Anderson uh Kambela Mazoka, you know, with Brigadier General Godfrey Miander and Christian Tembo versus Levi Mwanawasa. The electoral petition that was raised against the election of President Levi Mwanawasa in 2001. He Zebia Chung was a star witness. He revealed everything. And that government, which was testifying against, he even disclosed how much Levi Mwanawasa got through the intelligence and how he was he, Zebia Chungu, witnessed, himself witnessed President uh Levi Mwanawasa collecting a bag of money and he couldn't even open the door, and it had to be opened by the director of intelligence. Uh you know, he spoke in Lamba that Muisho, those that know uh Lamba can say it in the comments. So that was a hilarious statement, and the media picked it because you could picture this levy, heavy, hefty man, Levi Mwanawasa, with the with with so much money that he had he had it in both hands and couldn't open the door, and the director general is the one that opened for him. If there's anything serious or breaching of national security said, he said it 20 years ago when Levi Mwanawasa was president. He devoured very sensitivity. He discussed what you are watching is nothing to what he discussed. And he wasn't charged with offenses of official secrets acts. In this discussion, all he did is, from his knowledge, he predicted a loss for President Hakainde Ichilema. That's a major statement is made. Another major statement he made is that the reason they fought Frederick Chiluba was his decision to unbundle the mines because the promoters and representatives of Anglo-American wanted the entire mine into one lot. They wanted the way ZCCM was to be offloaded to the private sector as a private monopoly. President Frederick Churuba refused. He said we cannot run away from a public monopoly and then we create a private monopoly. He refused. So he dismantled and unbundled the mines. That is why you have Chambishi owned by another company, mining fame. You have Luansha owned by another company, KCM, another company, Mopani by another company, and other mines, Kansashi by another company. It was a deliberate policy decision against what was then called the Kafue Consortium, led by Anglo-American. And Anglo-American were promoting Western interest. The Zebia Chungu reviews that all the drama you saw about Chilwa is a thief, that his thousand did what he says. There was no offense. The only crime Chilua did was to unbundle the minds. That policy decision, you know, they they wanted to hold him as an example, embarrass him. If you are a head of state and you think you have political power and you leave power, we will sort you out. And that's all he said. I don't see anything sensitive other than predicting that President Nagainde Chilema will lose the 2026 elections. And that the reason Chuluwa was persecuted and those that are associated with him was his single decision to unbundle the mines. And you know who he invested in the task force on corruption. 40 million pounds was investment done by the British on the task force on corruption. They spent 40 million pounds. And what did they recover? Nothing. Chiluwa's shoes, what did they recover? Chuluwa's shirts, what did they recover? So you can see that that's all Xavier Chungu is speaking about. And such information is beneficial to our people now, to our leaders now. That they should know the hidden hands behind the elections. They should recognize that there is a hidden hand you don't see in elections. You'll be seeing President Hakainde Helema, Brian Munduwile. You'll be seeing Hari Kalaba, but you will not see the forces behind them. And that's what Xavier Chungw is warning. He was empowering citizens and voters. Be aware who is sponsoring these people. We've seen the regalia. We've seen that there's a mining firm that is being associated with President Hakainde Hilema. We've seen, they don't want you to discuss that. Xavier Chungu was peeling the scales for you to see behind the headlines. If you see that a UPND, a Mount Million Dollar Regalia, they are flooding it across the country. Who has bought money from where? That's all Xavier Chung was saying. They want him silent. So they've locked him up. He obtained bail, they still didn't give him bail. And uh uh that's a matter that uh uh uh uh uh uh caused Xeviachung. And today they fooled him like they were releasing him and slapped him with two new artificial charges so that he can remain in prison. So Mwantwa Kwalesa, uh that's a matter on Xevier Chungu. Let's go to Mal Sampa. Mal Sampa has joined Charles Chanda of UPPZ, he has he has joined Peter Chanda of uh uh NCP. Mal Sampa today says is is him and his uh so-called PF, you know, he leads a faction of the PF, says he is joining the is endorsing the UPND. And he held this press conference and let's hear what he said.
SPEAKER_04Bonafide members, there are many Bonha members on behalf of the current bona fide members of the PF, on the current bonafide emphasis on the PF law. I do hear in Lord President. As the best candidate in the August presidential elections. We ended by doing those president H of the best candidate in the August 26 elections to take Zambia for the next five years. After we've looked at all the candidates that were there, who is the best candidate for Zambia? It's worth understanding that the PF and National have not joined the UPND. We have not joined the UPND. But we have simply picked the candidate, president candidate options as the best of all of them suited to steal Zambia to Grota House until 2012. Therefore, we shall need to go flat out. These people are strong. These are strong campaigns. We don't need to pay all of all these people. When we deliver the cause, money or no money, food or no food, campaign. And make no mistake, Mbappe has not lost a campaign ever. And we win again where we are putting our heart for campaign. Therefore, we shall immediately go flat out to campaign for President H countrywide and ensure that he gets his second term and carry on to push the massive macro.
SPEAKER_37Well, it was long expected that uh the faction of PF led by Mal Sampa with his loyalist, you saw them. When he formed a political party, they followed him. When he came back to the PF, they've been with him. When he held that uh press conference, other than charity banda, uh you know, he with his loyalists, they've gone to support President Hakainde H Lima, and they say they will support President Hakkainde H Lima. Let's go back to the big issue, the church service today. Many people are asking how, despite the attempts by CCZ and EFZ, who demonstrated cowardice and refused their sanctuaries, their people and their leaders to remember the late president? They were shamed by the Catholic Church who stood very firm and by other churches. We saw church service in Soloese held, and there are other places that we are compiling where the church service was held. And many people are saying, but how is a Catholic able to defy this political temperature, this flood of money, this corruption, and all these things, you know, especially intimidation and threats. The Catholic Church, other than what they believe in, other than you know, uh being the oldest church in the world, they have a Catholic social teaching. This is a body, uh, a rich body of moral and theological doctrine developed by the church itself. This guides how the church responds to both moral, social, and economic issues of, because they live in a society. They know the Bible is very instructive, but they develop these Catholic social teachings. And the Catholic social teachings brought change in Latin America where there was drug war, you know, U.S. infiltration, where democracy couldn't take root, and there was torture, there was dictatorship. The Catholic Church and the Catholic social teaching came to fruition and brought democracy in Latin America. Of course, many priests died, were killed by by rogue regimes, by dictators, even bishops were killed. You can read about it, but the church stood firm until light came to Latin America. So when you see the church speak in the manner they speak, they are guided by these moral principles. It doesn't matter who you are. If you are a president, you are taking away rights of your people. If you are taking away both economic and social rights, you are subverting justice. The Catholic Church will speak and they will speak boldly. You will accuse them of being politicized, you call them names, they don't care. They have a history. They've seen governments come, governments go, and they never change, especially when it comes to the issues of Catholic social teaching, which guides them in their interaction with a rogue government, with a government that is oppressive, that government that is taking away lives of people, that is abusing human rights, that is suppressing freedom of expression and freedom of thought, freedom of the people, you will hear the Catholic standing and speaking. And yet today they demonstrated two church services in one city. One at the Catholic Church in Chawama, Regina Passis, Catholic Church, and the other one at the Lusaka Archdiocese, where they were Father Simpasa represented the Archbishop of Lusaka, uh uh Dr. Alec Band, and you saw how he spoke boldly and celebrated the life of um uh Edgar Lungu, Zambia sixth president. The event was marred by confusion by confusion and um after when UPND cards attacked um attacked them. Um for Mao Sampa, we are going to see more presidential candidates other than the independents that are resigning everywhere. You will see more presidential candidates that Levin Goma is busy trying to buy, and you know, as usual, that's his job, and our people are so weak, so weak, so weak. But Charles Chanda, Peter Chanda, Ukonom Baba Mao Sampa, and uh uh the Vendorst. And to the shame of uh EFZ, they must be shamed by the statement they issued yesterday that you cannot uh hold a memorial because there's no body. Come on, come on, what kind of theology is that? That's why yesterday I likened it. That what would be that barefoot rabbi do? What would Jesus Christ do in the circumstances? He'll flip their tables, that's what he would do. He would do nothing else. That's why he usually called these church leaders whitewashed tombs, because they seemed so holy in their robes, so white, so pure, yet they were rotted inside. Because that's what a tomb is. The tomb is well decorated. Good, good uh plaques of stone. You've seen how beautiful tombs are, but what is lying under are rotting bodies and rotting bones. And Christ was not shot to call out religious leaders. In fact, if you read the gospel, how how he castigated the men of God of the day, the Sadducees, the Pharisees, these were the holy men of God, the holy men of the law. They carried the biggest scriptures, they wore the whitest robes, and they decorated the temples. And Christ started scarving, scathing words for them. In fact, in his ministry, he spent more time outside the temples because he knew in the temples were white-washed tombs. They were white, holy, looking holy, but there was nothing holy about them. Looking pure, there was nothing pure about them. Christ spent his time with the very people they called sinners, the very people they denigrated. That's where Christ's wake was. Look at all his semmons, the sermon at the mount, when he fed uh the multitude of 5,000. Where was it? Was it in a temple? No, it wasn't in a temple. No, it was outside, evangelizing to the lost souls. And uh I have no kind words for our leaders in EFZ. I have no kind words for our leaders in CCZ. I am very strong and condemning them because they put their hypocritical thoughts in a statement and we can read. And for history, those statements will not go away. The misconduct of these two church leaders, the the the organization's a leader, noble organization, with an illustrious history in our country. EFZ, I think, has helped the evangelicals, Pentecostals grow in our country. CCZ, come on, it has such a rich history. And uh they they they they cannot be defiled by the two men of God that are occupying those positions, and issued that scandalous statement, almost unique statement, as if it was written by one. I can even assume it was written by one person, probably from state out and handed the two copies to be read. Because the statements are so unique, so hollow in their theological depth, so bankrupt in reference to the Bible, but pushing a moral argument that doesn't exist. That's not even Christian. So I know we have a duty when our parents go wrong, we have to cover their sins, not to laugh at them. But a rebuke, a public rebuke like this is necessary. I'm a practicing Christian, Bible-believing Christian, and I know that, and I was privileged to have worked for a president for 10 years, Frederick Jacob Titus Child. And I knew how much he held in high esteem the church. And I knew how condemnator he was to those that he fated, supported, grew their churches, donated a lot of money. And as soon as he lost power, they fled. And they've joined Levi Mwanawasa, started singing the same songs. So I even know his thoughts about those hypocritical leaders, Mutuala Mkweshiwa, but you are behaving exactly what the Lord Jesus Christ said, like whitewashed tombs, where you appear holy, but in your white robes, in your pure robes, but you are not preaching Christ. That barefoot rabbi would flip the tables in your church if he was here. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be opening the phone lines, and today we are commemorating uh the late president Edgar Chagualungu. We are privileged that um he was um uh uh he was honored in our country, and let's hear your voice. Other developments that you may wish to discuss is are two other issues. Uh Miles Ampa's uh endorsement of President Hakainde Hlem, an opposition leader supporting a ruling party. And um there's another matter, you know.
SPEAKER_00Incarcerated politician Rafa Nakachinda has complained before the High Court that he has been on a hunger strike for several days, with Thursday marking the 16th day. In an exclusive interview at Crown TV, Mr. Nakachinda says he will continue fighting for his rights until they are respected. He adds that all he can say is that light should shine in darkness, seemingly an endorsement for Brian Mundwili and Makebizulu.
SPEAKER_23I am that flight continuous until my lights are respected. Well, the only thing I can say is that let the light shine in darkness so that we can do the end.
SPEAKER_00During court precedence, Mr. Kachinda told the court that he is going through a strange experience at the correction of a facility. He says he has not been allowed to communicate with his lawyers despite making applications, seeking access to his phones. According to him, the situation has deeply affected both him and his family as he has been unable to make calls to send money and pay school fees for his children. Upon hearing the complaint, the court asked one of the police officers who were present in court whether he could explain the situation. However, the officer stated that he was unable to provide any explanation. The court then ordered Lusaka Central deputy officer to appear before court on Thursday, 5th, June, to provide an explanation regarding the matter. Now, as the case was about to commence, none of the defense lawyers were present, prompting the court to adjourn the matter to Friday, June the 5th. Only two witnesses were present.
SPEAKER_37We remember Patriot Front Secretary General Rafael Nakachinda is on his 16-day strike, hunger strike. Nakachinda is protesting. Number one, he's been jailed in a law that was repealed. And there's precedence, Supreme Court ruling that says you cannot jail someone on a repealed law. Authorities there, but the magistrate ignored what the law says and proceeded to put him to jail. His attempts to get bail has been refused. Even the man of fixed abode, well reputed as a leader in our country. They've refused to give him bail. And um so he's he embarked on uh 16 days ago, he embarked on a hunger strike. I hope it, you know, I pray that the authorities attend to the issue. Another matter he's been complaining about is that he's been restricted access, including to his lawyers, where his lawyers have been refused entry. Those are the two issues, the way they are treating him in prison, and his attempt to get justice, get bail, and challenge is illegal incarceration. It's illegal because it was a jail on a law that was repealed, and the Supreme Court authority, I'll get it. I think I had said it on this program and had cited the authority from the Supreme Court that outlawed that you cannot be jailed. Whether the offense occurred before the law was repealed, you cannot be jailed on that matter. The retrospective issue there doesn't arise. And the Supreme Court cited various authorities, but there is, they want to give him bail. Now they are restricting access of his lawyers and his family to him. So he has embarked on um uh uh uh that that uh uh uh hunger strike. I'll be opening the phone lines just now and uh let's hear your views.
SPEAKER_35The party friends and all. So I only remembered that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying no, we want to protect you. No, uh you see the meaning of the president to be seen to be going without this or that. I said, I I I I I don't need you, you don't need me. So I was very clear. I've not complained at all. The time that I've complained is when I've been harassed. I said, You've stripped me of everything, but leave me my liberty, my dignity, and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute I walk the street, somebody says you can't walk the street because you're former president, you are in danger of being attacked, and people might attack you and you'll be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. The next minute I said, But you really didn't know that I was former president. When you strip me of these things, please why did you put your house in order? The next minute I went to go to change, somebody goes into change and says, Oh, the party, friends, and all. So I only lamented that why should you be stripping me of these things and then pushing me and saying, No, we want to protect you. No, uh, you see the meaning of the president to be safe, to be going without this or that. I said, I I I I I don't need you. You don't need me. So I was very clear. I've not complained at all. The time that I've complained is when I've been harassed. I said, You've stripped me of everything, but leave my liberty, my dignity, and my rights. That's what I'm saying, even now. You see, one minute I walk the street, somebody says you can't walk the street because you're former president, you are in danger of being attacked, and people like to attack you, and you'll be blamed as police. That's why we're following you. The next minute I said, But you mean you didn't know that I was former president when you stripped me of these things. Please go and put your house in order. The next minute I went to to to kill PF. And the same people should be presiding over his 10th memorial. The same people should be putting his ghosts to rest forever, and we are watching. We have we can't we can't accept that. That's why people are saying, What's what's going on, Zambia? What's going on? I I I don't want to say people were happy and excited when Mr. Sata passed on. Well, that's a fact. You can uh check it out for yourself. I don't want to say from day one after Mr. Sata died, people began uh trying to destroy his memory by destroying.
SPEAKER_37Just to put it very in clear context, you are saying when Mr. Sata died, some people celebrated. Yes, they even began to campaign immediately. Yes, yes, they saw it as an opportunity to get to office.
SPEAKER_35Yes, so so so that is a fact. And now the same people went further when they got power to destroy his party. And tomorrow they want to attend the memory to make sure that even his party dies with him forever. You can't allow that. So for me, I'm waiting between now and tomorrow morning to see what happens. How can you allow somebody who has uh murdered your son or your daughter and you are still mourning to come and attend the funeral and be able to speak at the funeral about how good how good your son was, and you know about it, you say, Wait a minute, what a minute, what's happening? And I think I can just say the whole thing I summed it up when I spoke to one guy, I said how can you ambassador Catholic be remembered in a Jehovah's Witness in the 10th anniversary, or how do you get to be disappointed? How do you get remembered in a FDA uh church when never knows that you are Catholic and so on? And the state insists. And the worst part is that I have learned that the secretary cabinet is Catholic, and so he is the deputy, uh Oliver Carabo. They're Catholic, and they should have told government to say, look, how these things are done, especially Patrick Amwa, who is a practicing Catholic church member, and I've seen him in church even giving mass, uh, you know, Holy Communion, and so on.
SPEAKER_32Um if it's a felt need of the family, for example, uh, that uh the uh president uh should not personally be in attendance. So what do we uh why not deregate? Why not deregate? You know, why not deregate you know yes, it's awkward, but unusual uh situations, unusual circumstances. May demand unusual uh responses. I and it will appear, you know, the problem that we have as human beings is that we think uh then out of lost, then they have won. Uh, but sometimes backing down uh and then uh allowing certain things to happen may not necessarily be a loss. It could be actually a sign uh that you are greater than the other, uh, because you are ready to uh you know to to back down and give way and for the sake of the greater good of the country.
SPEAKER_37Emmanuel Chkoya, former general secretary of the CCZ, speaking very boldly, and uh we we we we celebrate him. Um the statements that were issued yesterday, we have to be very clear and very condemnatory. You shouldn't allow our leaders to behave like the Pharisees and Sadducees that Christ condemned very often. They were a wealthy aristocratic uh set of leadership, they were above the ordinary, and they were very respected in the communities, but they didn't represent Christ, they didn't represent God, and Christ didn't take time, he didn't take time to condemn them, and he took time to even give them labels that they are like whitewashed tombs because of the hypocrisy, and they they are disdained for the sinners. The reason our leaders exist is especially to first look after the current flock that they grow in Christ, but also bring the millions to Christ. So your your language should never be to the benefit of the strong. Your language should be for the benefit of the poor, the widow, the orphans. That's where you stand as a leader, that's where you are respected, that's where your works should be shown. The lines are open, Mobantuwa Kwalesa. It's Friday, and um I don't intend to stay very long. If you have any tribute to discuss regarding the late president, you call now because um we it's Friday, and I usually hold very short broadcasts. During the week, we can let you uh go and I have a have a good announcement. Uh Hari Kalawa is coming on this program and he might make some major announcement. Uh Hari Kalawa is coming on this forum. Uh, he has a major program in in Serenge where Bangwenabile is standing, uh Citizen First Candidate, and uh Hari Kalawa has a church service on Sunday. So he's he's he's traveled for a campaign, uh matter on Saturday, and on Sunday, he'll be uh uh officiating on a church service. And then Monday, Tuesday, you know, leaders or leaders are traveling to Eastern Province. So as soon as he comes, Hari Kalawa will be here. Let me look for that video of Hari Kalawa. He may make some major announcement on Wednesday. As soon as he's done with these uh major issues, he's coming on this program. Hari Kalawa, look forward to the program for the Orange Alliance leader, Honibu Hari Kalawa, and Citizen First President. He's coming on this program, I think, on Wednesday. Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.
SPEAKER_08Well, thank you very much. Um I again opt not to disclose my name.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Make your contribution.
SPEAKER_08I want to interrogate the the issue that happened in Chawama to the violence that was there. I took time to analyze those videos, and I must stay from the onset that that is exactly what we have been calling for. What we meant when we are saying that the opposition must come together. Because if there was no unity there, the opposition, the opposition were going to be to be attacked like no man's business. Let them invest very much in cameras. You can see clearly that there is this first wave of people who were putting on the uniforms, who were who were in civil, who are throwing stones, and behind that crowd, there were cuddles who are clear in UPN the attire, throwing stones. And then when the Tose cards moved into protein, and I want to thank them. I want to thank the security of the Tose people. When they charged in, they they order now. UPND were violent just like that everywhere, but they were playing victim. And the and the laboring it only on PF. So that must be avoided and be made very clear. Um we continue appealing to the towns around security to be very strong and the opposition to come together, combined forces. Don't just be beaten all the time, defend yourself. That is number one. Then number two, I want to say that Jesus Christ, my brother, Ambassador Emmanuel Mano. He said that they have made my church a deal of things and criminals. They have made my church a place of interpretation. That's when now turning the tables upside down. Ambassador Emmanuel Mamba, Jesus Christ said that. That is capable of fitting, they feed the entire UTH there. All the patients, UTH, Catholic Church is able to feed them. The Catholic Church, they are having the hospices where they are providing uh end-of-life care, creative care. You know them by their action. Jesus Christ's life was about ministry. When you come to these people who are refusing, a church is a place of refuge for the wick. And today you have a church that is as refusing for people to go and find refuse in the church and issuing statements. Their job always is to look uh flamboyant, driving expensive vehicles all the time. So, shame on them, and they must be told Ambassador Emmanuel Mamma, if they are running an orphanage, it's for the benefit of themselves. Taking advantage of the offense and uh and taking advantage of the offense to get money from white men to enrich themselves. What charity week do these people who are refusing? What charity week are they offering? What charity weak are they offering? What do you see to say no? These people who are refusing to offer services are offering the people. So that they hear exactly that we are watching what is happening. We know that India has a lot of money, and it has bribed everyone. That's why you are hearing all these things for Muslims anyway. For me, personal man has never trusted that man. You know, and you see one thing I like about he is very good about unusual people who are not disciplined. He is done now, he is now jumped on Mosam. That is shame when that man always used Muslim used to press Microsoft used to put him on a distance. Some people are a shame, and this indeed. The man, you can't know whether he's moving forward or backwards. The man completely has no spy, but you see, sometimes you must be able to bear with these people because that guy has been using the cases these people have against themselves. That man has a lot of cases behind him, maybe that's the we which they could have used to hold him to hold him. So, Ambassador Emmanuel Mamba, allow me for now to give space for some of my friends. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh, let's take the calls this Friday. We allow you to rest, we allow you to do other things. So make your calls now. Please don't call when I'm about to leave. Uh, call now so that we allow you to speak and say your way. We have three issues that we are discussing the matter regarding Rafael Nakachinda, uh, the matter regarding Mao Sampa's endorsement of President Hakainde Ichilema, and the matter regarding the remembrance of ECL. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.
SPEAKER_33Okay, I'm calling from the other Ham James. Uh Ambassador, first of all, I just want to congratulate you for the courage that you've taken to uh have this program. Yeah, you may be outside, but a lot of us are with you. And uh we are feeling for you. Uh, but uh it's a blessing in this guest that we're where you are where you are. Now, commenting on the issues uh attaining what is prevailing in our country, I'm quite disappointed with um my brother Maho Sampa. Uh I did not enjoy anything from President Sata, but up to now I'm still PF because I believed in his uh philosophy upon which the PF was formed. Uh Mao Sampa is behaving like uh a son who inherits the wealth of his father, and then he fails to run, then he goes to the neighbor's business to support the business of the neighbors instead of pushing the inheritance that he has received from his parents. This man has sought his birthright uh in exchange for a few, maybe a few a few million of quachas or dollars, which he might have received. Um, these people, I think Mao Sampa started a long time ago to join the cartels uh that were there when we lost our president, our beloved president is uncle. He went to uh join UPND. We saw him coming back. So those people are not stable and cannot be trusted. And the for their own information, all these people who are betraying us as Zambians by you know making you know shortcuts in whatever they are trying to do, it will be very, very difficult for them to be trusted in the future. And uh secondly, uh they are sacrificing a God-given thing that they're supposed to do. It's like I can call them these people, they are political cowards always wants to jump on things that are already just there. You know, mouse and power people, you know, endorsing uh someone who has the people that have been calling PF members as thugs, corrupt people. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know where he's getting the all the stamina. Maybe as the previous scholar said, because he's got so many cases, so he thinks he'll be excused from being prosecuted. Maybe, maybe the reason that's why he has resigned to sell his best right to go and just support. Uh, usually, uh, as even as believers, we don't abandon our churches. Uh, we belong to churches because we have the theology, the doctrines that uh we believe in, and of all things we believe in Jesus Christ. So basically, Asampa has really disappointed me. I think the means of President Sat are turning in the graves to see his nephew uh being a sellout just like that. I know Asampa uh it might maybe take uh a bit, maybe 100 people from the general membership of the PF. I know the 1.8 million that voted for uh President Lungu in 2021 are still intact, and I think we still have more people that have been frustrated by the non-performance of the current government. Uhendia ambassador.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_02To occasion more damage, speaker again. Many people didn't pay attention to it because the debt was acquired through recklessness. A ministry could acquire debt. How can you run accounts to that? So when people still know they are coming back, to do what? Oh kills in the more done. So we got 24 we go on the bottom the little thing we're done in this four years of the nine months with 24 on that we've got. After the balance it was called after 20 level, to do this country with totally different blocks we lost totally after 20 level, totally lost it, and now the colleagues want to come back to do what? You can change the nameplate that you are now a different creature.
SPEAKER_34You are the same You can change the name, you can change by condemning the violence uh perpetrated by UPN declares in Chawama. As the public may be aware, today we had uh a church service, a press service, for the next president, President Edge Columbo. And uh after 12 soon after the service ended, we were driving through Chahua waving and showing support to all our voters when a group of UPND cards advanced from the front and began throwing stones.
SPEAKER_37Before we we close the program. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_14And some kwaimao vadishani nobody shani nine went to mafi.
SPEAKER_37Oh, sorry, Ulukung.
SPEAKER_14I am quite insane.
SPEAKER_37M Qui. M quite my land. Yes, Mamma T oh, hello. M quiet, please continue. Yes, I can hear you now.
SPEAKER_14MQ, thank you so much. So the four to tell our Yes. So we menazan guys. They say my problems you say. And then to Kesamiperan 50 quadr. It was not a secret. It was there. Hata in the new to say by Zambia by PFU Nava Kongore. Yet he never promised the people of Zambia to say if I'm not twice about his tracks, and I PFU, then after that, that's when we give you minimum for fifty quad. We want to see poin you. We there boy you. It's if you want to see push and wavima, point the panisa you p and government, you p and piano. And I should see a waker. To aim, bridge, you are seeing pretty to Ali Mona School Ziva cool and one by three blocks. Ah, it's cool if you're back school. To Ali Money Patana, great amount clinics for one. Mm PSOBA Kungola PF. If you shovel C DF C D Fine, Modi by PF for CDF one point six million. But if you had a monika number. Yes, we have only forty million we bank about what is one monopoly. Apart from those toilets they've built number one by three blocks in my classrooms. Those are the plans that PF for heart. That's the reason why the PF Barecules Patana Barekulama clinic, Bareculama School, she won't go back.
SPEAKER_37Thank you. Thank you, Mario. Let me let me take other course. Thank you for your contribution.
SPEAKER_14Four years to Ikea Vulamalaiti. Ukulapekov is the NS if you want to go fire. When it comes to Mausi Sampa, you know I'm not surprised. We are where we are because of Mausi Sampa. And it's very shameless. So could you mouse them up politics? He's a political.
SPEAKER_37Thank you, Mario. Thank you very much. I don't call her. Uh please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution. Nameless make a contribution.
SPEAKER_13Thank you so much, well, Bamwamba. Uh the first thing I would like to thank uh the Catholic Church for holding up the case in memory of uh Tatar. Yeah, this has been a very, very big gesture, yeah, and so so happy. Yeah, I'm talking on behalf of everybody, yeah, who are meaningful. Then uh I know people have been complaining so much about the churches not saying anything. In a full Catholic, and I come from a family of Catholics, and here I am. Uh I still mingle with Catholic people. If Catholic, we believe in the strength and the power of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ never gave up, he was so strong and he died for us. Yes. So for Catholic, this is what we are. We don't care of anything, we don't fear because we are there to help, you know, to give everything to people and to say the truth. That's why when we kneel before the cross, Jesus Christ on the cross, because there is a very big significance in that. So if we were Catholic, I'm not so disappointed for the fact that uh myosampaya UPNG it has always been known by one baby, and the people should not anything disappointed. If you are hearing wherever you are, and I know you are, you've just disappointed yourself so much that you are dreading your night, you are dreading your night that in darkness, your mind is just full of food smoke. It's not everything. Let me tell you, you you you've got family. What are you teaching to your family? You've just disappointed yourself, you haven't disappointed anything. Shame upon you, shame, even the name that you carry is the name Maya Santa. Shame, shame upon you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Thank you.
SPEAKER_07Um, good evening, Ambassador.
SPEAKER_37Good evening.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, this is M'tale. Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_37Yes, M'tali. Yes, we can hear you. Make your contribution.
SPEAKER_07Okay, uh, first and foremost, I want to say thank you for the people that attended the memorial service for the lady president, even with uh all those parties behind it. Uh, you know, the issue of the late president is a um a serious and uh very emotional um situation to those that interacted with him, those that had confident him, even to those that are sold about, it's a very serious issue especially.
SPEAKER_37Um Tale Scott, please go back. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from.
SPEAKER_01Thank you, Ambassador Mamba. This is Sinyangwe Dani.
SPEAKER_37Sinyangwe Dani, make your contribution.
SPEAKER_01First and foremost, we thank God for everyone that went to celebrate the life of our great president ICL. We thank you, and may God continue blessing you. And what you are doing, only God Himself is going to reward each and every person who is behind the Lungo family and will continue praying for the Lungu family. Second, shame on you, Mao Sampa. And uh President Makebi Bzulu and President Mundubini, we are president for years. A person I would say is a famous person because he's trying to kill democracy. You have just lost it all, and no one will ever look at you to be the kind of person that they used to look at. Said, may we continue praying for Banaka Chinda? You know, I know our justice system is good, but not all is lost. Justice is going to be produced very soon, and whatever is happening, whatever they are doing, it will not work. Once our leon from we want the government, he says that what are they going to do, but he's still emblessing the same people that is insulting. That's why you can know that we've been talking about five years PFPF, but today he's sleeping with the same people that he has been calling names in the same bed. Thank you, Ambassador Mwamba. God bless Zambia and everyone.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Yeah, please go, please, go, please go so that we can take your calls, process them. It's Friday. We want to let you go and rest. Um, hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.
SPEAKER_11Uh good evening, Ramwanda.
SPEAKER_37Good evening, ma'am. Who's calling? Anonymous, make your contribution.
SPEAKER_11First of all, I say longa is my favorite president.
SPEAKER_37Naku cathedral, Kachwakubidi, Naku Cathedral of the Child Jesus.
SPEAKER_11Indeed, Nakathedro, rest in peace is here. Viva is a man of people, even for mutina. Even what you make, I respect if I put the place or we see if you are cheaper wam. But I think one. I don't care, Mamuana, and Kukove, Takani Moka, and Makakuka Butuka Bantu. Have you seen the matter to who are you? Who is most?
SPEAKER_37Thank you, Mike. Thank you very much. Thank you for the encouragement. Thank you. Hello, caller. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and and and make your contribution.
SPEAKER_07Uh uh, the name of the case.
SPEAKER_37Oh, yes, it's you you got cut, yes. Please continue with your thoughts.
SPEAKER_07Um, I'm saying that um look, uh, we have people who are in uh in a who are woven but wearing uh sheep jacket, such as Peter Chand, such as those bishops that are denied, who are eating with ECL. But I was saying that my last thought was look, you on this program ambassador, you have raised you have brought people who you have interviewed, and you have asked them to tell the people who they are, what they are their background. And to the pastors, you don't do that. Few people don't do that, and even you know, people don't just do a backshap on people as they are pastors. But if I was to tell you that some of these pastors have been like no God saying we should repent of our sins, people such as the people saying we see today are people who were once crooked, uh who have been crooked or people like Amina Disabande was a listen or his uh national council something uh called knock. Can he tell us where the money went to? It was uh more than five or six hundred thousand funding for use aid that was uh supposed to go to pass, let him come and tell the nation why that the money went to. So these are the people surrounding the table that they are they are so much obsessed with nothing but wealth to enrich themselves, and it's a shame that we are attacking to see the people, but I think we know who they are, and since they are their agenda is to enrich themselves, we shall denounce them even from their public as well. Thank you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. We've we've got uh another call. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution. Thank you, my dear brother. Make your contribution. Who's calling and where are you calling us from?
SPEAKER_09Uh mean and in known as well. A man to a validama project by PF. What kind of way PF leaderwati is only a wind? Why? So no talemata which is very disappointing. You want to defend Christ, you want to be to the side of God, it's also possibilities that what I wanted, visiting other businesses.
SPEAKER_37Thank you, thank you very much.
SPEAKER_09Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_37Thank you, thank you. Hello, caller, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.
SPEAKER_05Good evening, Ambassador Mwamba.
SPEAKER_37Good evening.
SPEAKER_05How are you, my brother?
SPEAKER_37Okay, who's calling and tell us your name and where you're calling us from?
SPEAKER_05Thank you, Ambassador. I'm just going straight to one of the subjects.
SPEAKER_37Okay.
SPEAKER_05Ambassador Mwamba, did you you you we always judge some leaders uh I think today's memorial service server every zombian to testify that that manusuma done if he woke up how Mao Sampa misbehaved during the presidential by election after the founder President Mawasata died and the FSP. God loves in us than hypocrites. But when it came to this people say no, we have to be right with the President Lungo. President Lungu that's the only thing I'm remembering him today. I'm not trying to compare President Lungu to uh Jesus Christ our Savia. But the Lungu, Christopher, but Ambassador Maria Makadalena had blocked the news to the disciple that Jesus has risen. After the first time we rose from the death, you have something to eat. You have anything that's can you lay down your nose and have something to eat? Are you moving forward? I think that demonstrate to be true, Christian. Starting from Mao Sampa, he be put Walungu, he did a lot of damage when Mao Sampa decided to come back and come and construct the contest. President Lungu didn't give it one took an Swan Shani and the freezer brothers once away. When Pesam Barachalo to be a kulova by GPM. Even what she mbakambuili despite Ukulangi Piwa Lungu Ukuba worship punishely. In what Shimba is Shibati, Isala Yalanjipaya Wabuela, Waluwa and Bruandi, Bose Tribe Kuluva, Isani Tubombe Pabu. I think today remembering Walungu is a true leader, is a true Christian. That's why Trilano Kwevat Name Twang Tungushum Furongani no. In my conclusion, Wamwamba Nati and Fredukambu to CCZ compound with a lot of biggest churches in Zambia, not quite a UCZ, not quite African Methodist Church, not quatera Anglican, not quite a uh, not quantava Presbyterian, not quatera uh SDA and other Protestant Church. As a person who belongs to the Protestant Church, we need to know if that decision made a consensus. Did they consult the members of the CCZ? Because these leaders they should be learned to be accountable when they're making decisions. Because the Bible tell us leaders with that vision, people perish. Thank you, Mamwamba.
SPEAKER_37Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. God bless you. We'll be hosting a program on um on Sunday, and after the funeral of um his majesty, um, we'll host Honorable Hari Kalawa. He's put out a notice to us, he's coming and he might make some groundbreaking announcements. He's currently in in serange for some activities relating to the campaign. Bangwe Navile is standing in Kunda Kunda Kunda Kudila, uh constituency, the new constituency there. And uh they have a church program on Sunday and then on Wednesday, Honorable Harry Kalawa, Orange uh Alliance President and Citizen First President will be on our forum. Look for a guest that we may have on Sunday when they confirm. You want to like I promised today is Friday. Let's leave you to rest. Or if there are other programs, you can watch those programs. I'll end with these videos. Oh, my dear sister is calling. Maybe she wants to participate. My sister, I said call before I go. Now you are calling at the end.
SPEAKER_10Yes, I didn't even hear. It came late, honorable. How are you?
SPEAKER_37Very well, very well. Please introduce yourself and make your contribution.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, this is precious inungium from Livingston.
SPEAKER_37Yes, my dear sister.
SPEAKER_10I just want to contribute on Ramal Sampa. Hey, I'm disappointed with Ramal Sampa. You know, on the other side, I'm proud of myself, honorable, because I gave the true information to my former president before he died. Uh, I told my former president, that time when he was doing those things secretario, I told that uh Ramal Sampa, the person who is using him, he wants to make him a running mate. And I gave that information to the bodyguard, to the former president. You can even ask him a chat. And the person he said the truth, and today now we are witnessing that the people was using Ramal Sampa, now we have a clear picture that it was my president that I did. This is why today even endorsed him to be his president. You see, from there, my charity, my charity, I'm disappointed with you. And majority, to be honest with you, if I knew that it was a betrayer, even the time when that woman inboxed me to say phone me, I was not even going to phone him, even to know my number, because betrayers are very dangerous. There's no way you can pretend like you care about Marumu. Barungu who loved each and everyone, Barungu had a good heart. He never chose who to love, who not to love. He was there for each and everyone. But you people decided to betray him in this way. The true mighty guy who sees his secret is watching everything. Coming to what happened there in Chawama, Bamakebi Zuru should be careful. You know, Babran Mudub is a very good person. But the person who follows Mabran Mudubhi, they are UPND project. So right now they are not happy to see that Mabran Mudumi and Bamakebizu are working together. So the tag there was to be careful and you should put your trust in God. With God, all things are possible. So that's what I wanted to contribute, honorable. Thank you very much, and God bless you.
SPEAKER_37Thank you, thank you very much. So, our dear sister from Livingstone, she's a regular caller. I had to give her time. So uh we'll see you on Sunday. God bless you.
SPEAKER_34Today we had uh a service, a president, president, president in the lunch and uh after 12 soon after the service ended, we were driving through Chawama waving and showing support to all our orders when a group of UPN leaders advanced from the front and began to as a w as a result of that a number of our youth and no members have been injured, rightly injured for that matter or just been informed by those of our members have remained behind, and as a matter of fact, uh some of our members have actually been arrested. For what reason I do not know. So to start with I want to call upon the leadership of the UPND to immediately condemn the violence that doesn't want to wonder the leadership of the UPND, that the Zambian people not uh the UPND go to this level to this proposition the Zambian people would want to see the leadership of the UPND. UPND is in power now and you against uh what is expected of them is to lead by example they would want to lead the company with them. And that uh the political parties behind that should refrain from causing mayhem.
SPEAKER_32Um if it's a felt need of the family, for example, uh that uh the uh president uh should not personally be in attendance. So what do we uh why not deregate? Why not derogate? You know, why not derigate? You know, yes, it's awkward, but unusual uh situations, unusual circumstances may demand unusual uh responses. I and it will appear, you know, the problem that we have as human beings is that we think uh then I would have lost, then they have won. Uh but sometimes backing down uh and then uh allowing certain things to happen may not necessarily be a loss. It could be actually a sign that you are greater than the other uh because you are ready to uh you know to to back down and give way and for the sake of the greater good of the country.
SPEAKER_03In this, it is true that those who stand for right and justice, they may suffer just for a moment, but posterity remembers them. Indeed, as the great teacher of the church, Tatulia, does say that it is on the blood of martyrs that the church flourishes, it is on the blood of martyrs that the church grows. We in Zambia today we remember illuminary of our republic President Edgar Changwalungu of happy memories. Today he marks one-year anniversary of his death. He occupied a huge political and social space in our country, being the sixth Republican president. If you ever remember Lungu as a republic, it is what he did regarding constitutionalism in Zambia. At the risk of losing power, he enshrined in the constitution of the republic the 50% plus one. He was willing in defense of democracy and the common good to enshrine a constitution that ensured that a leader of this republic is elected by the majority of citizens of this republic. We have every reason to give him credit for that. That is leadership not putting your personal interest into the laws of the republic, but looking at the greater picture of the republic, looking at posterity and the future of the country. A complete change from a simple majority past the post. So we thank him for that aspect that God gave him to look at the bigger picture of the Republic. Also, he was quite a sociable person and ordinary and yet president of the Republic. It is not in dispute that he was a man of many gifts. At one point, he held three fortifolios even before he became president. There was a time when he was acting president, Minister of Defense, and Secretary General of the Gift. Three fortyfolios one person for the gift of Edgar Chagualungo and his contribution to our republic as we have come to know it. He loved the citizens irrespective of ethnic growth. He had friends.
SPEAKER_15June 5th, 2025. That's the date he took his last breath. Over 365 days have gone by. No resting place, no final peace. Just petty, vindictive politics. My fellow Zambians, look at what they are doing to our very own.
SPEAKER_20This is not who we are. We gotta get our country back.
SPEAKER_21Even the youth know about the pettiness.
SPEAKER_22Over twelve months, Mr. Peter passed away. But the man is still blacking. You are flexing your power, but you've told everybody how hateful you are.
SPEAKER_15Remember this when you stand in line to vote. Edgar Chagua Lungo is still out in the cold, still waiting to sleep. This is not a good thing.