WHO WILL WIN THE 2026 ELECTION? ANALYSIS

LIVE NOW; WE DISCUSS THE DETAILS OF WHO WAS LIKELY TO WIN THE 2026 GENERAL ELECTIONS

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Thirty-nine days to go, and the electoral fever in our country is heating up dramatically, and the changes that have occurred just in the last 30 days are totally remarkable. Who would have thought that the opposition will mount this kind of opposition and be at the verge of literally getting power from the incumbent President Hakainde Ichilema? If you asked me just two months ago who was going to win elections, it appeared very clearly that President Hakainde Ichilema would win elections. And his people were even mocking the opposition that there is no opposition at all. And whatever the grievances of Zambians, they didn't have an alternative and they didn't have who to vote for, and that there were no alternative policies. Well, one day is such a long time in politics, and the day is here. Look at how dramatic the changes have occurred. Look at how much ground has shifted towards the opposition. We used to warn warn the opposition that they needed to come together and that Zambians would reward those that would come together. We pleaded on this program for a period of one year for the opposition to come together. There were various initiatives, some I was personally involved, especially the United Culture Alliance initiative, because I remember we started with press conferences by the first 11 political parties that grew to 16 that culminated into the formation of the United Culture Alliance. I believed, uh, like President Haga President Edgar Lungu did, that the solution to the 2026 general elections will be a unity of the opposition. And there have been various initiatives, Stones, Pamosi Alliance, Opposition United, People's Pact. There have been various initiatives. And I used to warn on this program that we will be like the Malawian scenario. If Zambians, if the leaders in the opposition do not come together, the Zambians are going to settle on whoever they think should lead the country. And dramatically, this is what happened. Few days before nominations, we saw Makebizulu of Pamosi Alliance and the PF come together with Brian Mundwile leading the Tonsi Alliance. And immediately overnight the ground shifted in their favor. And by the time they were filing in nominations, before that, I think people were leaning towards uh Hari Kalaba, who they felt that in the event that Brian Mundwile and Make Pizulu were bad, probably people could shift camp to uh Hari Kalaba. They were alternatives of Fred Membe and KBF, but Hari Kalaba began to look very well by March 2026. And the ground, yeah, the groundswell that was uh uh uh uh uh getting uh bigger and bigger on the understanding and on the genuine fears by Zambians that President Again Nechilema was going to play in Mingalato, and probably the two candidates, Brian Munduile and Make Bizulu, would not be on the ballot. But um, you know, the plans of man are not God's plans. Whatever they scheme against you, the Lord as a final God always has a last word on it, and we saw the dramatic changes that occurred just in a period of seven days. On April 13th, Makebizulu and Munduwile come together, and by 19th, they had filed their nominations as a joint ticket, and the ground just totally shifted. It became a pitted battle between Munduwile, Makebizulu, and President Dakainde Ichilema and um uh Whitney Kangwa Mutale Narumango Avengitawa Ishua Mashnaya WK Mutale Nalumango, what they mean. She was born Whitna. Sometimes they say Whitna Majwa February, but I think it's written as Whitney, Whitney Kangwa Mutale Nalumango, and President Again De Chilema on one side. Since then, since the official campaigns kicked in uh after April 30th, uh we have seen after is that May? I could be confusing the dates. Yeah, May 30th May, sorry. We have seen the the the first rally by Brian Mundwill and Makebi Zulu um in Kitwe at uh KPF's uh KPF grounds that day internet just exploded because remember this was a first rally by Brian Mundwill and Makebizulu. There was no patriotic front. Uh there is for the first time in the history of our country, no former ruling party is on the ballot. There is no MMD, there is no patriotic front, there is no unique, and people held their breath. Will the police allow this rally? Is Makebi Zulu, brand Mundwila and Makebi Zulu, the real deal? And there were these fears. I remember that day the internet just exploded. You go to Mundville's page, there were almost 10,000 people watching. You go to Makebi Zulu's page, there were almost 10,000 people watching. You go to, in fact, that day Mundwille's page reached 14,000 live views and over a hundred thousand those that just visit the page. And all the pages, whether it was a PF page, grindstone, or Tonse, or any page, were just exploding with these huge numbers. Clearly, Zambians had welcomed this alliance of Bran Munduwile and Makebezul. And the lamp immediately became a symbol across the country. And there was apprehension from the UPND. They thought this is just a fluke. It's not possible that uh this bridge maybe they transported people, maybe people are just uh you know curious. But what was remarkable about the first rally, the Kito rally, is that there was no minibuses in sight. In fact, people were walking, and we understand that day the UPND had threatened minibus drivers. Ngapari won't sold our one to kuke PF, you know, bar them from these stations. People walked to that rally. It became a very strict, strong signal that something politically is happening, and that for the first time, President Hakainde Ichilema might have strong opposition. Well, the you know, we we we saw the subsequent rallies, the Kabwe rally, huge numbers that came on those grounds in Kabwe. The people began to, well, it could be, it could not be, and they said, no, no, no, maybe because President Againde Echlema hasn't had his rally. Then we saw the the Petauke rally, small town, few people traveled from anywhere, all of them were Petauke residents, and it was another huge rally. That's a weekend that President Againde Echlema was launching the following weekend his own campaign. And well, his campaign outside the grounds of uh independence stadium brought concerns. First of all, they had forced the Jehovah's Witness who were having their three-day district convention to suspend their last day event. In fact, they were asked to postpone, they chose to do it virtually, and to their benefit, their members turned up up to 46,000 uh members of the Jehovah's Witness attended that uh rally of theirs. That should have been at the independent stadium. They attended it virtually. So President Akainde H Lema pulled a massive crowd. Of course, an exaggeration. I saw uh people saying Mouse Ampa saying that he pulled half a million people. No, it wasn't half a million. It probably was roughly around 30 to 40,000 people that came to that, and because they were not in the stadium, you really can't tell how many they were. If they were in the stadium, we know its capacity, and if they had been on the grounds and outside, we could have booked done an estimate. But uh, a number of 500,000 was totally exaggerated. It probably was about 30 to 50,000 people that turned up, and who wouldn't turn up if there is a free uh music concert by Zambia's top musicians like your maps, and you are sitting uh at Hero Stadium where there is Mandevo, where there is Chaisa, where there is um uh Matero, you quickly get as soon as the Fitimba Fiambo Kudila, you quickly get a natural audience, and that's why you have to watch out for the rally by by Bran Mundwill and Makebi that's coming to Lusaka. I understand it's also going to be on the same premises because there is no enough grounds anywhere in Lusaka that can cater for the audience that Bran Mundwill and Makebi Zulu are anticipating to hold when they hold the Lusaka rally. I think that's coming shortly, you know, after they leave Luapula, they before they go to Northwestern Province, there's a Lusaka rally that's coming up, and it might rival or beat President Akainde Ichilema's rally. We are yet to see. So now there was debate where the president pulled a good number. Maybe he's still popular, maybe his messages of free education, CDF, you know, uh is beginning to uh make sense to his supporters and other Zambians. So Makebi and Mundu proceeded. Nimba, Chadiza, Katete, Chipata, they had huge, huge rallies, and they transitioned to Lundazi. And you know, our dear sister in Lundazi, uh, Brenda Nurenda is a a grassroot mobilizer. She's held that constituency from day one in 2021. She's always pulled numbers, so it was very easy to. Pull a large crowd with such a mobilized base that Brendan Yorenda has done to Lundaze. And the team moved, you know, passed through uh Chama. They were prevented from going to Chama. They passed through Matumbo, they found a large crowd waiting for them. They went into Chesali, Shuangandu, and they had a huge rally in Impika. They had a huge rally in Isoka. They had a huge, huge rally. Nakonde, we said Nakonde now was the biggest rally they've had after Kitwe. They were in Imbala, Mpulungu. Oh my. The rallies yesterday in Imbala and Impulungu. We keep on revising our language. We said Impulungu now was the largest rally. Then it came to Mbala in the afternoon. We now said Mbala was the largest rally. Then we had you know Senga Hill, it was rather a bit small because Senga Hill is a smaller town, smaller location after Mbala. It's in Mbala, but I think now it's his own district. And surprise, surprise, when they were coming from Mbala, coming into Kasama, there's a place you call and Seluka. You say Luka, that's where the Tazama rail, you know, it comes from Mpika, it comes to Kasama. It doesn't go to Chinsari Isoka, it doesn't go that way. From Mpika, Tazara moves, it tends to the north and goes into Kasama. Now N Seluka is an area where the Tazama, Tazara, sorry, the Tazara now branches of coming back to the north going to Nakonde instead of going to Mbala and Mpolungo. At in Seluka, there the team was shocked to find a large crowd waiting for them. They had a rally in Malole, they had another big rally. And then today, you've seen the rally in Kasama. It has undoubtedly become the largest rally that Bran Mundwile and Makebi Zulu have pulled. And today we had personalities joining them. Prince Akashambatua Mbikustalewanika, who's chairperson of the Council of Elders. Remember, the Council of Elders that were trying to put the opposition together was in Kasama to meet Bran Mundwile and Makebi Zulu. Chishalakateka, who has been very instrumental, you many of many of you may not know. Chalakateka has played the pivotal role to bring the opposition together. He dealt with her the first time in 2022 when we're trying to bring the opposition together. And we held the first uh uh press conference by the opposition. If you remember, there was that good press conference where people that are deemed rivals, like Fred Membe and Winter Kabimba, were on one table. That was Chalakateka, and she was then coordinating President Lungwad Tusta to chair uh uh uh uh the bringing together of the opposition, and I was very involved. That's a time they had knocked out my tooth. I remember I also made an appearance at a press, one of the press conferences to they had just arrested me, beat me up, tortured me, and knocked out my tooth. So I remember one of the press conferences I attended and I narrated. So you saw Harry Kalaba and everyone else. That was a precursor to the then UCA, United Quacha Alliance. So she'll be very instrumental, she has been in every initiative to bring the opposition together, and um most of the initiatives have not um uh uh come to successful fruition, but she's been involved, and it was good to see her in Kasama. Her efforts are bearing fruit. So Chalakateka was in Kasama. We we we saw Green Party president and people's pack leader also in Kasama. We saw Bayuni president, my dear brother Trevor, Bishop Trevor Mwamba was in Kasama alongside Prince Akashambatua Mbikusta Lewanika, and then when you see the crowd, it was it has become the largest crowd, and along the way, if you have noticed, there's been subsequent improvement in on KPF grounds. People complained that the people at the back couldn't hear anything, and the speakers were inadequate. So when you saw the rally's partner, there was an improvement, small improvement, Lunda's small improvement, but it is in Nakonde where we saw a set of proper industrial speakers join the rally, and Nakonde was unique in its own way because this is where we saw people. There's a there's a video I'll show you of people walking to the rally, and as Bran Mundwile and the team were driving in, there's just a nice crowd that you can see. I will I'll fetch for it and I'll I'll show you. So in Kasama today, the issue of um of speakers, I think I saw a set of large speakers right in the audience, which beats the argument where people are complaining that the people at the back can't hear anything, and um, so I think we will see more improvement by the time the guys are coming to Lusaka. Logistics of speakers should come behind. And for many people that are calling me and calling others, they have paid attention. There's one constant call I keep on getting from senior diplomats, senior businessmen, senior leaders of our country. Emmanuel, tell us the truth. Who will win this election? And my analysis is very simple. Two months ago there was no opposition, now there is strong opposition. What are the chances of Bran Munduwile and Makebezulu? I said very, very high, President Akainde Echlema is on the back foot. Yes, he's pulling crowds. President Daka Indech Lema was in Western province, uh, he was in Skongo, he was in Kalabo, he was in Mongo. You saw people following him in Mongo. Today he's in in he has done, he has an advantage. He has done four provinces under four days. It is possible for the president who has helicopters to do that. The opposition cannot. First of all, and the matter we should condemn the Zambia Air Force. There are people that have approached the Zambia Air Force to give them authority, to give the opposition authority to use helicopters. And Zambia Air Force have not responded. And we need to name who's the chief of um who's um uh is he called the chief of staff at Zambia Air Force, the one whose deputy, the one whose deputy is like the permanent secretary and is the one that is in charge of all procurement. He has not responded to the request by the opposition who've asked for uh the helicopters. You can see that President Daka Indechilema has done four provinces in literally three, four days. Why? Because he has a helicopter, he can jump from Solozi, goes into Munilonga, he goes into Zambezi, Chabuma, and hops onto you know uh Western province and cover the entire western province in literally one day or the second day. He covers Lukulu Mitete, Mongu, Kalavos, Congo, and today he was in three places Serenge uh Chtambo uh uh and Mukushi just today. The opposition have done over 10 days just to three provinces, which is eastern province. They did part of Copper Belt, but I guess they'll go back to the Copper Belt. They did Eastern Muchinga and now they are in northern province, they haven't even finished northern province, they haven't gone to Mporokoso, they haven't gone to Caputa, we don't know if East is it will allow it. Um, and they are yet to transition into Luapula province. Yet, President Akainde Chilem has done four provinces under three, four days. They are doing three provinces in ten days, but um that has also helped because the the the the the the the trips themselves have become like roadshows because every stopover, especially Morudia, Uloa H people can quickly identify, so it has somehow paid off. But if they had gone by air, probably they would have missed all this, but I can imagine how taxing it is on the body by now. The two presidential candidates must must be affected. I've been on those campaign trails very often. One of the things that gets you is fatigue. Number two, flus and coughs, because you're always in mass crowds, you're always greeting people. So flus and coughs and just fatigue must already be affecting the candidates. But Makeb is a young person. Munuwila is also a young person. Munuwela was born when 1972. He calls himself the biggest, but he's a young person politically. Because politically, a mask stay road, 70 year old, they still look very young. President Dakainde H Lema, how old is he? He's almost reaching uh uh uh 70. I don't know. How old is President H Lema? Tell me in the comments how old is President Nakainde H Lema. So Makebi and Bran Mundi are relatively very young people, and that's why the president is calling them boys. So the boys will beat you, the boys will beat you at your own game. Uh I know President was born in 1958, I think. Um yeah, so president is 64. Brian Mundubile is um was born in 1971 or 72. So Brian Mundubile is 50, he's so relatively very young, you know. Um Makebe is 46. Yeah, Brian has just turned 55. He was born on January 5, 1971. So Brian politically is very young, he's just 55. Because in politics, you it's been populated by 70 and 80 year olds. That even 60-year roads like President Akainde Chilema look like young people, yet he's 64. Brian is 55, 10 years younger than the president. Mackebi is also 10 years younger than Brian. So I hope that Brian and Makebi will suffer the endurance of these rallies, especially that they are going by roads on terrible roads. I've been on most of those roads. I was privileged to have been permanent secretary in eastern province. In northern province, I was peace and I was privileged to divide Muchinga out of best Muchinga out of northern province, and I was mandated to visit every chief dome and every district because we needed to do that in an harmonious way. I've been peace in Western province, and I've been, you know, so the rural area I'm I'm I'm very aware of it. So it's extremely taxing. Makebe and um uh and Munuwili left Lusaka, I think almost 14 days ago, you know, so it's very taxing on them. But we hope Wasambia Air Force, uh, who's uh who is the deputy army commander who is in charge of uh procurement at ZAF because I think he's also called the chief of staff. Yeah, so he's called the chief of air staff is Major General Henry Chuaya. So the deputy commander of the Zambia Air Force, Zaf, and Chief of Air Staff, Major General Henry Chuaya. My dear brother, since we started having elections in 1964, the opposition has been allowed helicopters. Major General Chihuahua don't be the first one to be remembered in the history of our country. Even at the height of what you would call oppression, President Edgar Lungu allowed President Dakainde Ichilema to go with helicopters. Michael Sata allowed President Dakainde Ichilema to go with helicopters. Rupia Banda allowed both Michael Sata and President Dakainde Ichilema to go with helicopters. So Major General Henry Chuire, why are you refusing authority to the opposition? I'm aware that Harikalaba filed in a request for a helicopter. I'm aware that there are people who wanted to hire a helicopter for Brand Mundwil and Makebizuluan. You have not allowed that. You are a professional, you don't want to be caught up in the politics. So Major General Henry Chuaya must do the needful. This your role is just to facilitate. Let Zambians decide. The role of public servants is not to stand in the way. Because then you raise unnecessions, unnecessary what you might call victimization when elections are done. I think President Akainde Hilimo was uh in opposite from 2006 to 2021. That's almost uh 20. Uh the UPNG have been were in opposition for 23 years. And uh for 16 years, President Akainde Chlema was in opposition. Every time he requested for authority for a helicopter, he was given. Why would it be you, Major General, Brigadier General Henry Chua, to be the first one to deny the opposition the chance to have their helicopter? Why would it be you be the first one? If there's anyone who understands in all this, is present Nakainde Hilema because the entire time he was in opposition, whatever he suffered in harassment, but they allowed his helicopters to fly. There is not much time, the opposition needs to reach as many places as possible, and if there's a request for a helicopter authority, please grant it. Um, how is it looking? I say always on this program that one day is a long time in politics. One day can change things. We have seen how one month has changed things dramatically. Um, we had hoped that uh the the cooperating partners, the donors are privileged that I speak to SADIC leaders, I'm privileged that I speak to EU leaders, I speak to US leaders here, and they would give me an assessment. We understand your unique position, Emmanuel. You are not at home, you are uh crying foul that you your human rights have been abused, that you've put up Trump charges against you, can't go back home. But it's not looking good to the opposition. President Akainde Hilima would win. Some were putting him at 75%, some were putting him at 68%. I kept on telling them one day is a long time in politics. Here we are. Look at how much ground has shifted in favor of Brian Munuwile. If you rewind two months ago, Brian Munuwile was just a face in the opposition. There was Fred Membe, there was KBF, there was Hari Kalava, there was Makebizulu, there was Given Lubinda, there was Chimbakambu, there was Mao Sampa. He was just an ordinary face in the opposition. He had brought up his name quite alright. He had been leader of the opposition and he led, he was a face of the PF together with Given Lwinder for some time, but he was just an ordinary face in the opposition. How just days change in politics? Here we are, 39 days before elections, Bran Mundwili is at the verge of becoming Republican president. What are the chances for President Hakainde Hichilema? Of course, he has state power, like we've saying, is the one flying around to all districts at short notice. He may be able to cover the country uh in very short uh period. In the next 10-15 days, President Hakainde Hichilema will have covered the whole country. He might even be decide to go to problem areas in a second round, and then he will deploy his vice president. So he has some chances because he's an incumbent. But what I can promise you is that the ground has shifted. There's something happening on the ground, and it has shifted and tilted towards the ticket of Brian Munduil and Makebezolu. Some people are saying this is a PF em manual, it's a PF at base have just regrouped. No, if there is anything, if there is anything, you know. Um please I haven't opened the phone lines. Just a minute, just a minute, I haven't opened the phone lines. Um let me just write a message to this person. Thank you very much. After that, uh after this. Look at the story of Joseph. His brother sold him into slavery, they managed to kill him, threw him in a hole. They said, you know, he'll be eaten. Then they said, no, no, no. Let's let's just uh let's not kill him, blood will be on our hands, let's sell him to slavery. Joseph was the one, the young brother, who saved the Israelites. President Daka Indechilema banned the PF, banned his regalia, put stooges on it. This has helped Brian Mundwila and Makebizulu because there's no PF in sight. There is no PF regalia inside. The two are looking as brand new, brand new. In fact, if President Daka Indilema had let the PF stand as PF and any of their candidates on PF, probably they'll be having difficulties with the people of Zambia because they will have been carrying the excess baggage of the PF. Remember how they are trying to put the issues of the PF on Brian Mundwile and Makebi Zulu of issues of debt that they left a bad economy that inflation is not sticking. Why? Because Brian and Macebia have new parties, Resolute Party and National Reconciliation Party for Unity and Prosperity, NRPUP. They are totally brand new, thanks to President Hakainde Echilema. What the brothers of Joseph meant for evil turned out to be for good. And Joseph saved the people of Israel. President Hakainde Echilema wanted the PF dead. PF has died and in its ashes. You can now not say, you can now not say these are PF people. It's just that story is just not sticking. If there is anyone who has done a proper rebranding for President for the PF, it is President Hakainde Ichinemai. All his efforts to destroy the PF has helped Brian and Makebi rise on the ashes of the PF. And they, you know, they can go on a rally, not even speak about Edgar Lungum, and the rally succeeds. They can go on a rally, not speak about the PF, and the rally succeeds. Thanks to President Hakainde Ichlema, whose schemes were meant to destroy the PF. And on it he has built a new thing. Many people used to tell him that, Mr. President, the opposition is not the PF. So all your efforts to buy them, buy their MPs, destroy the PF will not help you, Mr. President. The opposition is the people of Zambia. And this is what you have seen about the groundswell around these two candidates. Yes, a PF could be a catalyst, could be a base, but essentially, it has become very easy for Zambians to associate themselves with Munduwile. And not even attach him to the PF, they are attaching him to the PF for purposes of experience. That look, he was a minister, he was a chief whip, and that the experience he has, he will bring it into the leadership of the presidency. So thanks to President Hakainde Echilema, he has rebranded the Patriotic Front, he has rebranded these new leaders. You can't stick the story of the PF on them because. You have your own Mal Sampa who's with you and is speaking that he controls the PF is the president. You have Robert Chabinga in UPND colors saying he controls the PF. So how will you put the PF when the people that control the PF are with you, Mr. President? That is a challenge that has occurred. Let me go to some issues that have occurred. Xavier Chungu, a liberal democrat party leader, remains incarcerated. This is an unfair matter. Xavier Chungu should be campaigning out there. Xavier Chunggu must be trying his luck out there. It's unfair that he remains incarcerated. I would beg that Xavier Chungu must be released. I know his supporters will say it's not up to the president, but we know the hand of the president in matters like this. Allow Xavier Chungu to be free. He's a presidential candidate. Allow him to succeed or fail on his own. Let it be. On your hand. At Um Tomolo ceremony the other week, Chief Mumporo Koso was badly beaten by bodyguards of the president. Chief Mumporo Koso is a very big Bamba chief who is found in the Mporokoso area. You know, that's an area. Every time the for you who know our history as members, wherever we went, we left a Bamba chief. We even have chiefs like Chivale and others who are member chiefs in Eastern Province. Of course, now they preside over Sengas, Ngonis, and others. But wherever we went, we conquered, we left someone as a chief. Mumporokoso was chief among the lungus. That's an area. You know, Felix Mutati's lungu, he comes from that area. There are lungus, but you have members in that area, and they are they are headed by chief Mumporoko. So if you saw among visa area when we came to Mpika, Chinsari, we left Bamba Chiefs among the so you'll have visa chiefs and you'll have Bember Chiefs. That's a history. Mumporoko is a chief among the tabu, among the lungu, but he's a member chief in that area. And he had come on the um on the umtomolo ceremony in Imbala where the president the vice president was um was uh a guest of honor, and for one reason or another, where he was seated, he was passing and passed near the vice president. I don't know those bodyguards to the vice president, his security details have security detail, roughed him up and beat him up. The capazos, you know, the messengers tried to tell this security chief that this is a chief. What is sad is up to now there is no formal apology from government. Government must apologize to the Bemba Royal Establishment, they must apologize to Paramount Chief Chitimku. They must not make a secret call. This was humiliation and embarrassment of the highest order. It's become an insult on the Bemba people. You will need to apologize. Not just pushed around, beaten. You need to apologize and ameliorate for that. We've had an unfortunate incident in Caputa where Kweshanga, uh, his other name's Humphrey Luisha was killed when the two groups NRPUP and the UPND crashed at an area called Pump House. Pump House is a bar near, I think, where the power works for uh water works were done in uh in uh in Caputa, Caputa district, as a new water works and water reticulation a process that was done by uh tomorrow investment. Um, my dear brother uh Chanda uh Kato Tobe. He did good works there. So there's a place called Pump House. I think that's where the pump houses are, so there's a bar nearby. So UPND came there, found their friends from NRPUP drinking because there's a very popular candidate that Bran Mundwile's candidate has in uh in Caputa who has shifted the grounds because remember, Caputa has a very effective campaigner, LV Sinkando, and then remember the vice president comes from the area for them. It's very personal, and then they have this candidate who has shifted the ground from these two major forces of the UPND, and so they've resorted to violence and they came and attacked a group for one reason or another. Kwe Shangonga was hit on the head and he died. This is an unfortunate death. The ECZ have suspended campaigns. Many people have welcomed that, but you know what has uh destroyed the credibility of ECZ is because they've done nothing. For example, where independent MP Confucius Mwene's driver, uh Stanisakala, was murdered in the most gruesome way. Someone came into the Shale, just held him by the mouth, and slit his throat. They thought they had killed Confucius Mwene. And Confucius Mwene in media statement, he says he made a drastic decision at the last minute to change with his driver where to sleep. He probably had the premonition that he might be attacked. I don't know. But they changed the chalets at the last minute, and someone came and slit the throat of whoever was on the bed, thinking they had taken the life of the independent MP, uh you know, Confucius Muene, but instead they killed a driver, an innocent young man, Stanley Sakala, and ICZ is very quiet. There's no other candidate other than the candidate of the UPND and and um the independent MP. So this is where ECZ are being asked. We saw violence in Chawama, where UPND attacked Bran Mundwile's convoy. You instead arrested Bran Mundwile's security detail. You've never arrested the UPND, and ECZ have never done anything. We saw that wave of violence from Mazabuka, where they tried to prevent um a Garin Kombo from filing. We saw the attacks on independent supporters in Monze, in Choma, we saw in Zambezi, Chavuma, in Solwese. The ECZ have been very quiet. Why have they taken this decision for Caputa alone? And that's not the only place where someone has died. May the soul of Kwesha Monga and also known as Amphre Luis rest in the ten of pieces was a UPND member, obviously Kandos person. But clearly, if you even investigate the matter, although they've arrested ten NRP UP members, the people that began the violence were the UPND. They're the one that came to the pumphouse and caused that violence. The murder here in Gwembe. What are you doing about it? So this is that action now seems to be trying to save the face of uh uh Elvis Nkandu and and uh the vice president uh Whitney Kangua Mutalena Lumango WK Mutalena Lumango. There was an issue that she was going to be in Luapula province at the same time that Brian and Makebizulu's team would be in Luapula. Lucky enough, change of mind, and uh it's very good that government either listened or responded to the concerns. Mtali Nalu Mango beginning today is in Muchinga province, where Brian Munwil and Makebizulu have already been. So this has helped a lot to reduce the tension because the ECZ calendar has placed after Mporokoso and Caputa, Brian Munwil is supposed to begin the leg for Mansa for Luapula province. And if the vice president was going to be in the same area for the same duration, clearly there were sparks, violence, and clashes that were going to take place. So it is very good that there's been a change of heart, and the vice president has instead gone to Mukushi to allow for peaceful campaigns in Luapola. This is always your show. I missed you too. I haven't had a broadcast in the last 20 days. I think I've only had two, three broadcasts. This is the third broadcast in 20 days. And I was in London for my usual meeting. There's a meeting that I attend in London, and I was in Washington, and I'm glad to be back. Let's interact. Um, I'm going to invite uh cause, let's hear from you. This is your show, and um there's a great uh a set of activities happening here in the United States. You need to congratulate the people of uh the US, the people of America. They are celebrating 250 years of independence, and um this is a great nation. I admire it a lot. I have criticism of his foreign policy, of how he deals with the world, but this is a this is a dominant place in the world. It's a place of opportunity, opportunities, a place of freedom, it's a place where anyone can thrive. If you hear the stories of many millionaires and billionaires, including um including uh Elon Musk. Elon Musk is South African, he only came to uh the US 20 years ago, and today is the wealthiest man in the entire world, thanks to the spirit that you find in America. I have been a very strong critic of the US. Um in fact, uh, you know, the people that I'm associated with that allowed me to come here are what you would call conservatives. People know my stance against abortions, my stance against my my pro-national stance, are the people that I'm affiliated to who have those same strong feelings, and have been a very strong critic of the US. But I can tell you, having lived in the US for the last one year, it's a place of remarkable opportunities. In fact, someone was saying, Emmanuel, with your writing and with your podcast, and if you had even invested it in your PhD, you'll be on your way to a PhD here because the universities are calling. The opportunities are great here. So namalanda chiwushu, you matawakawereichawin. The sacrifices we do, we do them for this country. I would have come and enrolled myself at a university and have been accepted on two universities, by the way. But I dedicated my time to speak to Zambia because of the love for my country. I can engage in business. The friends that I'm associated with here are very senior people, senators, congressmen, they are the people I interact with. If I want to have a life here, I can easily have it here. So whatever UPN Jaban to Kachitawaka wants to manga win away, it's not about me. I can have a very good life here in the US, and I can go to school, I can begin businesses. So the people of the US are a good people and they've received me very, very well. So let's start with your calls. I missed you, and I hope you miss me too. Around please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_06 57:44

Thank you very much, Ambassador Mwam. This is Senior Gwedani. We just want to thank you for welcoming you back. We missed you, but we know that you are a busy person. And then your PhD, Bamwamba, has already been awarded to you. Mamwamba, it's on this platform that you kept on emphasizing the importance of unity. You never gave up, Bamwamba. Even when everyone was in a state of confusion, Zambians didn't know who to go for. You kept on pushing to get to one beach. It's more than a PhD, Bamwamba. Bamwamba, look at it in this way. The current government we are celebrating already victory. Everywhere you go, no, there's no opposition in Zambia. There's nothing, not to win Akale. But because of this platform, Wamamba, and like people hate you, and today what we are seeing, Wamwamba, Makaya Kwalesa. Yes. I'll ask, I'll say this for me where I'm even happy, Wamwamba. This is Bran Mundwile and Makebi Zoro. They've just been barely on the scene less than 60 days. But look at the crowds that they are pulling. They might be at 50-50 with HH, but you know where my victory is? The people of Zambia decided four years ago who they wanted to vote for, and they will not vote for the current government because of too many lies that they have ushered on to the Zambian people. Second, Mamwamba, if you've noticed, the current government has got nothing to tell the Zambian people apart from the same division and tribolism that comes from our president. Our president, sorry to say this, even those who still support him. You can't waste your vote on someone who lies every day. Five years of him being a president, he still continues lying to the Zambian people. What out the edge of the opposition? It's not too late, makalabah. If truly you love Zambia, do what the alliance of elders did and are doing. Join Mundubile and Makebi. You are doing it for Zambia. You're not doing it for yourself. Time is not late. You have got the platform, you've got the time to join a winning team. Thank you, Vamwamba. I'll let others also contribute. And God bless you, Vamuamba patience. Because you are the you are the light for Zambia. And God has used you. You are the Joseph for Zambia. Thank you, and God bless you.

SPEAKER_22 1:00:57

Thank you very much. Let's get someone says, having spoken about water protection, vote protection. Okay, I'll quickly speak to vote protection. And uh, someone has corrected me. But mango's other name is not Kanga, it's Kapemwa. You are right, she's uh Whitney Kapemba Mutarina Rumango. Thank you very much. Please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:24

Good uh evening, good evening. This is David Moriwampo in Mongo.

SPEAKER_22 1:01:31

David, good good evening, my dear brother from Mongo.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:37

I've liked your um analysis, but I think uh we have a problem with uh everyone who's in the media because they can afford school uniforms for their kids. You guys woman the rest, uh Anton Mukita in the rest, and all the people are doing the media. I think all of you call all of you can afford uniforms for the kids. So you don't feel the pain, you don't feel what uh what it means for Brian Mumbure to stand up and say, we are going to give free uniforms for the kids who are who can't afford them. If you go in this most of these schools, like when I live here in Mongol, you feel you you'll cry to see how little. So the school information is so important in the rural areas of school because these kids when they go to school, they don't have the point. So if you need to give the education according to free education, the kids are not proper school informed. Open the full uniform, open full uniform, under that how many women will be empowered in every constitution because it's full of the planet, even the constituents, what brand is talking about, the culture of which people are going in all these family areas without taking to cloud.

unknown 1:03:32

So we have the use of that code.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:35

So define the uniform is called over which uh brand is uh offering the country. Um listen to all of you. I think we should look at the country of the president. Um become president of Europe is never able to never it's it's not the one in the party. So what's the difference between him and the water? What's the difference? What's the difference between what the water is in? But all the time, we have the history of the people, even though we have the history of what happened to those people. So when you look at the point of it, the importance of one party. That's why even if it's unusual. Because if you see burning as the post, why once you brought uh who are the who are the political parties? What do they have to do for a special local purpose of the police? A lot of people say no, the opposition afforded 200 and something members of parliament. How could they? Call out what we've got the we've got the goodness of people. We don't have this thing that happened before. Now the mic has to happen now because we have the bottom, we don't have the list of this and don't have the schools. We have nothing to do. It's not political. The Zamian people to say it's the governance of this country is about one man, it's the presidency. Once you have the presidency, the judiciary, the parliament, all these become rubber stats. The power is in one man's decision. So once he just gives that order, say these guys won't fly, they won't fly. So you are actually blaming the wrong person. You were just giving that instruction. Do you think a general reserve can give an instruction to say in a multi-party system say no? There will be no flying zone. It's only one person who's made that decision. So we call him what he is. You know what is the legacy of the PF? That's the one which everyone talks about. Right now, the PS, the PF is uh with him anyway, they're in alliance. The PF is not dead. The PF well, according to the rest of society, it's with uh it's in alliance with uh UPND. So those who remained, who are no longer even in the PF, why should you bring them in for instance? You must look at it this way. Uh Makebizulu was just minister of eastern province. Uh Brian Mundovile was not in province, but somebody, those guys were never sitting in cabinet. And secondly, as I say, the powers lay in the presidency. So even if Brian was against what Edgar Rom was doing, he had no power to control. That's how it is in Zambia. We must face it, it's not collective leadership in Zambia. It never happens. So blaming shift to them to say, no, what happened in PF was a legacy? The leaders of the PF was just beautiful. They've done more infrastructure than any other government. Michael Sata is after just been in government, he made the Mongo Kalabo Road. I was surprised that uh the Minister of Infrastructure, Mr. Beloupi, goes to Kalabu and blames the PF for not finishing the road from Kalavo, which is 95 kilometers to the Congo border. He's been Minister of Infrastructure for five years. What has he done about it? Michael Sata made the most difficult road, cutting it through the plane, the floods. He put a bridge against the bridge, not a road. So it was very easy for him to finish all the 95 kilometers, which is on high ground. Five years they've delivered the Link 8000. Michael, when you go to government offices, any provincial government office, there's a big map of Zambia written Link 8000. When you see what Michael Sarta's vision was, it was about making Zambia a land-linked country. The Minister of Infrastructure goes to Carabo, blames the PF to say that he finished the road. He's been sitting in that chair for five years, he hasn't even lifted the shovel. In the last five years in Western province, there's no road between Shesheke and Livingstone. There's no road completed. Those roads were there. Right now, people if they have to go to Livingstone, they have to go through Namibia, Botswana, and go on the Kazungula Bridge to get into Livingstone. Otherwise, that two hours, the 200 kilometer stretch from uh Kazungula to Shesheke will take you the whole day. And there's no road. You need a four-wheel drive. So please, let's be honest. Let's tell the people the truth. Let's go ahead and speed. I, for instance, in 2021 did not support uh Edgar Lungu because I felt he was going for his head tape. That's the only reason. If he had passed on the mantle to somebody else, I would have supported that person. But I believe to say once you are swallowing twice, you are swallowing twice. That's the reason I didn't support him in 2021. I supported HH because I failed to say no. Lungu was given the opportunity, he knew what he was doing. But from 2016 to 2021, he concentrated on making sure that it remains on the ballot, which is what causes our country to go backwards. Look at it in America, no matter how good you are. Four years, go another four years, that's it. That's why you are saying America is a great country. It's a great country because of freedom of expression. Right now, even talking to you, everyone is scared. I might be talking to you now, the cops will be knocking on my door. Or telling the truth. So, how do people campaign? Even campaigning now, Mroso was taken up, picked up in northern profits. He was locked up in uh in Hoodla station for months, for a week or two. So, how do you campaign? H was given that freedom. If you if you could, if I give you the transcripts of Sata campaigning against Rubia Banda, you would have thought to say Rubia Banda is a fool. They allowed him to say anything. There was freedom of speech. Sata would insult Sata, Sata would insult Manawasa, but when Manawasa got sick, ever Sata got sick. Manawasa was the first one to put him on the plate to take him for for treatment. Because they understood democracy. They understood what it was to fight for the multi-party democracy in 1991.

SPEAKER_22 1:11:09

Thank you, Brother. Thank you so much for those insights. Thank you very much, David. And you are right about uh before you let me go.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:19

The first thing, please make a podcast on school uniforms. This uh uh Brian Mundumile should be given kudos. The president president uh didn't even have anything to say. He came to Mongu here, the only thing he would have talked and talked about was about the airport. Please, Western province doesn't even have electricity. You can't cook from 18 hours to 22 hours. The electricity at the substation in Mandaiu and Osaka has more electricity than the electricity for the entire province in Western province. The Mandaiu substitute has more power than the entire whole province. So these are things we should look at. So even misunderstanding what uh talked about, let's look at it, let's look at the entire context. But then we're lucky enough to inform you now in the nation that uh uh he came to Western province personally. I escorted him to the palace and he went to talk to his parents. What is discussed is not for it's not in my place to discuss that, but he actually came to Western Province, he came to talk to his parents, and that is a private issue between him and his parents. When it would be the right time, he would announce, but he followed the protocols.

unknown 1:12:39

What is done here?

SPEAKER_22 1:12:41

This is honorable mkotokafuya. Oh, well done.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:48

I escorted him to the palace personally, and uh he said to them, I'm a son of a member chief who respects the Litunga, who respects the people of the BRI, and we are cousins officially, not by war. If you see the bloodline between the members and the losses, we're white people. So he came to talk to his parents. So people taking this out of proportion, the president coming all the way from However, coming to Tokoli about the airport when he hasn't fulfilled nada for the past five years in the Western province. Please, I'll take your opportunity to address the people of Western province. Wake up, wake up, people of Western province. Please, um, your fellow person from Western Province, I'm a lossie, and I'm telling you to say, wake up, smell the coffee. Thank you very much, Mr.

SPEAKER_22 1:13:38

Thank you, thank you. Insightful views by David from Mongo. Um, Alakola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and give us your contribution.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:40

I went a blind.

SPEAKER_22 1:14:55

Oh, a line is cutting, a line is cutting. Um, I see people are saying that uh the number that uh I've advertised is not going through. I didn't realize. Maybe let me switch it off. It's been off for a long time. I'll switch it on. Hope it will come through.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

Good evening, Ambassador. Good evening. My name is Intali. Uh very overwhelmed calling you from Kasama.

SPEAKER_22 1:15:28

Wonderful, wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:30

Uh Kasama was uh was on fire today.

SPEAKER_22 1:15:34

We saw the crowds.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:36

Ambassador, when we saw the clouds in Northwestern, where the current the outgoing president of the Republic of Zambia, it was uh it did not worry me for one thing because we saw people being ferried from one point to another. Ambassador, we should talk about those uh gathering in Northwestern, you can tell that all the UPND people, all the people, most of the people who attended, they were wearing their UPND the carrier. Can we tell the story that people have been organized? People were sharing from one, from Zambezi, whatever, from uh uh Sorazi just to go and attend where uh where uh to attend those ladies. But what is happening in Kasama? To speak about Kasama, people are moving long distance, willingly wanting to attend those guys uh today's meeting, and another issue that you cannot uh uh um uh stay away from mentioning it is the unity that we have seen today on this courtyard or that program on that quadrilable where all these people not long ago I personally saw some of the people of UPN uh of the Unity endorsing edge today to see some a president of Unity, the Reverend Mwamba, endorsing Domede, it was a very, very uh great thing. And again on this platform of Mamba, I am calling for Mwakalaba, I'm calling for Fred Men, otherwise we start calling them UPNB project if they cannot join. It means these people have got no good ideas for opposition if the idea is to score, if they cannot join the bus, then they are they are with UPND as a parallel uh uh structure for UPND. So we are edging them. We are aging makarama.

SPEAKER_22 1:17:36

No, no, no, no, no. My dear brother, my dear brother from Kasama, let's respect the leaders. They've um let's let's respect the leaders, let's not accuse them without foundation of the PND project. Let's just call it just call upon them to join or to to support or to collaborate, but don't accuse them of being without evidence.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:01

Okay, thank you, but this is my opinion because they if they are if their goal is to unite the country, if their goal, their the one goal, the devil we see right now is the or rather the colleagues that we have is a change. And if these people mean well, they have to join the colleagues, and everybody now can see that everybody's joining. And if they are standing on the other line, I'm sorry, sir, but I will repeatly say this they don't mean well for the for the for the people of Zambia, and that's the reason why I am saying there might be a project for UPND, because there's no way other than throwing all these people are coming in Karteca, and all these people have got the platform that they can use and that platform is their parties, but they have seen it fit today to join and endorse branding the video and the market. So, my opinion, sir, is as long as they are not joining the India project of EPNG. Thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_22 1:18:58

Thank you very much. The other line is now open. Um, it is open, it wasn't going to I switched it off and I've switched it on again, and I can see the calls are coming in.

SPEAKER_20 1:19:15

Uh uh, I don't know if it's uh good evening. Uh as in the UK, it's uh evening now. My name is Victor.

SPEAKER_22 1:19:22

Victor from UK, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_20 1:19:25

Yeah, a quick one, Ambassador. I think um uh from my history, Ambassador, I've uh developed the uh election, especially the last three the 2015, 2016, and 2021. Basically, um we are overwhelmed with the support that we've uh we've seen on social media. We see that people are resolved. So I don't want to contribute to say I want to ask you, Ambassador, a quick one. I know you said you're mentioned the two things that I'm particularly interested to hear or listen from you is first the I know you said you're tablets, that is the voter protection. But apart from that, the critical one is the voter turnout. Because for us to turn those the voter turnout, we need to turn those numbers into real votes. That we should obviously protect. You cannot have voter protection without the turnout, basically. So what um are we doing something about it? I I have not heard anything, and that is my worry because I know that if you look at the statistics, uh, I was just running through data, uh data modeling more model today. If you look at the statistics, uh southern, western, and uh northwestern basically have um a very good voter turnout. We did not do well in Eastern and all these other uh provinces. So, what are we doing about that? Thank you.

SPEAKER_22 1:20:46

Thank you very much. I'll answer that question. I've got uh a call here. Alo collar, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_24 1:20:56

Greetings, Ambassador Mwavumbeni. And Sam Kwai John Mabukuit Alikuno Ambassador.

SPEAKER_22 1:21:05

Mr. Mabu, make your contributions.

SPEAKER_24 1:21:08

Thank you, sir. Uh I um I'm seeing you traveled safely, Ambassador, and you are in in back back in the US.

SPEAKER_22 1:21:16

Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_24 1:21:19

Happy fourth. I'm just wondering, Ambassador, regarding our Republican president, Zambia. I I once again heard him, I don't know, in some western part of our country where he was telling people that the the these people from this particular place didn't used to get employment or jobs in the government. And then that when they went to Saka Intercity bus terminus, they used to be beaten if they were putting on uh UPND regalia. And I I don't know if people have been following because me I'm uh a victim of the abuse by the UPND cards at the the the intercity there. I was only putting on a shirt because Edgar Lu, because we were mourning him and how they treated me, they attacked me. They they they what they katusha kam godinga niche, but they intended to do a lot of harm. And so I wanted to ask even the general public, when the president makes such remarks, could you have uh in the western part of our country or some utterances when he's in the south? If uh somebody came from, for example, and they're putting on uh uh APND regularly, does it mean that they were also beaten or they can be beaten? Because in it, I experienced categories mean in everybody's uh accuse the PF of.

unknown 1:22:55

And I'm wondering, because there are many other accusations, accusations, accusations that have been made against the PF.

SPEAKER_24 1:23:05

And everything that has been said, I've seen it, I think double, triple this time. And uh I'm just trying, um I'm wondering, and I would like to get some guidance from a person like the ambassador, who is well vested in these things and the political dynamics of our country. Uh, why is it happening this way that uh these narratives that are embedded in fake humility are being thrown at the people like this? Even if we have seen Ugutila, people are the opposition and the voices are coming together in support of uh the movement Yabamundu and Council Makebizulu. Why are these people still fighting and still throwing narratives which actually can endanger our country and because the polarization is massive and it has become like it's a competition, yeah, yeah, dopamine hit is like who has the biggest crowd and who is pulling more numbers to show on social media and on Facebook, even including the sitting Republican president, if in preferred to them, so Nature for the guidance from you, Ambassador, regarding if the dynamics of our politics, because in the 1899 somehow, could go over I don't know, civil unrest or something, because I don't hear a message of unifying the country, especially from the powers that being southern and western the information is like you you have been sidelined. In other parts of the country, the the message is one Zambia, one nation, but if I have one body, one people. Uh Kareka vibe to discredit others, what they have done is like it's never enough. Thank you, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_22 1:24:59

Thank you very much. Uh I'll tackle the issue of the narrative. Let's get some more calls, especially on this line that was off. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contributions.

SPEAKER_18 1:25:12

Good evening, uh Ambassador Mamba.

SPEAKER_22 1:25:15

Good evening.

SPEAKER_18 1:25:17

Uh, we mean uh anonymous.

SPEAKER_22 1:25:20

Anonymous make your contribution.

SPEAKER_19 1:25:23

Uh uh Ambassador, there is uh a concern uh from uh various constituences. Uh in RPOP, there is uh in some constituency you'll find that there is uh two candidates. One will stand uh only uh resolution party, another candidate Pagachora, another candidate who stand on uh RPOP uh PMP. So uh in this case, honorable, how are we going to to vote in that constituency? I thank you, my honorable.

SPEAKER_22 1:26:08

Thank you. Where are you calling us from and make your contribution? Yes, Mama T, make your contribution.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:38

Thank you so much. Um PFU, Bad Mama to go into city Yamachito names which were being ignored and you know, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:21

So no ba PFANDA Povaka in the T and my PFSA, and if you file which understand because as far as I'm concerned, PFU Yariana Mao Zamba, Yadana Chinga Muna U PNT Papa PFA in DFU. So ever gave some bangarus. Because if we have Musaka, according to him, we were beating up people, those who are coming from southern province, Uchoma, Maria Landapuyoine. A father of a nation. Why is he so keen in dividing this nation? We see that message of saying that people were being beaten. There was this there were the names from some other regions which were not being given government. We had him saying that you know, to Kaleto 5, to Kapula University provinces. We gave you a mandate of five years to govern this country. What did he do? What did he do with the five years of giving? Nothing. Honestly speaking, you know, which I apologize for Mass and Bianca. That was the first thing he was supposed to do. That was his first message of campaign. And he was very busy. He has a platform. I don't want to answer. They'll tell you that you are BF Tabashiana one. But records are there. Two point nine billion. Number problem.

SPEAKER_22 1:31:14

Thank you, Mamma T. Thank you, thank you, Mamma T. Let's take some more because there are so many calls. Thank you very much. Tell us your name and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:41

So Mkoi, my contribution, Ambassador Mamba is yeah. Nachekasa no na chungfugawa na ku agriculture commercial. Moisture content. Awe, and then also another thing one day never mwe. I hope bad and gulunga. Panto i fo one, no butterfly sanga wantu kwena brand mundu campaign. Nakampa, and I'm willing sakuri munomulusaka. I'm willing to even print t-shirts and cap soonka for the chafia wanto wants to mobilize bokewa tukawa chikataki. Ideawa kwet, I hope kikaw muiros te diam. Mikawafe mukat fi mmu ste diam pan tu. Awantua furoko kuya tu anakamakamako. I neasai baloi. Yea kwevas to filafy mkatiwa mona chiwa de randu tafore mu folks to respond by we mwnakare nesha kuataloe. Otherwaizi ukuya kwe nabalea. Thank you.

SPEAKER_22 1:33:17

Thank you very much. Alo colo, please tell us your name and lawyer calling us from and make a contribution.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:28

Good evening, Ambassador Mamba. Nine woknom qua kaputa.

SPEAKER_22 1:33:32

M Kwa ukwa kaputa wake shali.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:35

Oh in that week of the Bamwera, either Pongosa Pongosa, no butteresa, we mumimo Identica, you only who pushes your win. Pandifia pinko. Then attendeca fiancou pushesha. You don't have it a patient a giant shbalangeso. Shbalenga is needed in an atila can and the cook utun to mortal on a palvaka in the Valilla North Western Ukutila Ava want to body new. Umon to fear I gave a fear after nineteen sixty. I don't think a masinayenu, yeah to I zira, ukuba omutundu ariba mayonaba tata. Won Savanamu fiala, nawishkurum kwete, buti put two or three provinces. Maybe firstborn wenu, I'll pile kwisten emdu a kwisten. The second one I'll box up sounding so ifundunang family iabafiati bangoni bangoni. Balus values bufi bufi. No, your DNA musambia jali kuyali pita. Now, here we come. Bahakaindabalibamanos Western Zambians Ati Ababantu Bali Mipata. Kosuku Bali Mpata. Emu, Niku Northern Province Nakuru na ku Eastern, na part of central, which is Mukush and Serenji, where you find a lot of southerners having migrated or still migrating water land. Nachishi chimbi n fulalis in those areas. Rather, in these areas. So, nga, if a few those areas, north, south, north, na copper belt, central, or north central, kuklaya kuakuwa pula naku northern promise na whichinga will make them as north. Ngatuanimi permitimobsangoyu. Bashanfumbesu, nawa muinemushi besu, ba la poke lila, to abafma ku southern, na kuno thestern, to buy land there. Ngatuabaswini showeka nabo as neighbors. Bantu right now as we are talking, southern, kunath western, kuraku in the bari. Some of us have got relatives. Nganifio, yimila, lipesa it, tumbula, uteko ka u chinge. Aboi sham fumu ku the shall time from northern province having bought land uku in a kuno northwestern. Uku beva mumens or so. And that land they've lost it, ukablada can rifle can she land to a bella to issue. The background says Yoland Yalkwata Amawe, Koufkulaf Kulafia Papen. When all your blue is a still put in the Kuna chimbina feminine Bam Chin Kula de Kalamia, the de Baby Bambi, bad small voice. Kula in the local in the couple, Bamina Femu wake up no province at Yo. You have sound a flyer fit can we are the people. Why can take a toquary fuma, which mawa with finished. You know, ever pangolo patu is very good to change things around and play victim. Gamasong to before moon to be called a penis. So we have a movie a movie. We're sampling. So up a penny, a cabal that you vote to go, not to voter to voter. Now can you have any body like a cross western club? We know we should come pay away. Nama light in our sh. Atta, we come from a lady in Dama Vot yeah, my baby. And we know If a fine feel. I shiv and to Bakualisa. You look in if a sana cruciwa kuvota, maybe to vota no weekala. Gakuya while you go. Let's say, okay, what in bedway. I got smoke at six o'clock in Penguinaichi, Papa Kuvota very late. So that fear pengura kuta kuk. Em qua epona per glanda. Coaching clock till you mut awa be pomtiman of what letting us I balono bawi like fika bagwana included.

SPEAKER_22 1:37:50

Thank you very much from Kaputa. Alo Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:57

Hello, Ambassador Mwamba. Mwa wumbe and M Lessy. M Kwan.

SPEAKER_22 1:38:03

MQ.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:04

Okay. Well, Ramwamba, I've just caught you right now in the middle. Yeah. I didn't know that you were actually on this program today. Okay, Wamwamba, uh, not wish. We are very much aware of what's going on. Nama campaign. East stage. Adena Zambia Navakana. Eh? So, Balefwana made. Elo, Valeba titiasana. Elo, ba president, na ba vice president wama Kedi, Vale Gumba under pressure, each a kuba two mfono seva mumba. Use a valle seni u toka, ifale kuta fe kuvana kutia. Eh, wa bantwale kung kamufi, taku kwevati byta wantu, abantwale kung kamushi. So a pepotushi, nende lumba. Uli bons if ya be na zambia. Awa wa, uiba yu pendi. Wish of kwavati. Ui la chyambu, is ya mungu, wishwa kwevati. Fu fan tu wonsa wiven yamuchi ma shina w shukivati, na chikani kwa. Eh. Mekeni, wisha kubambi, to wenavenikubala tuteka. Navonga tawaka tu teke wwino, na wovene tokawakana, to kalandata to de mifuya. So away, tuakana sana wandin ma wambess na china pantu and e kufini ma tu fila kofi se won fila kunavan tu say. A navantuna wakana, na tokana was anatukana. E kunakelava mama, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_22 1:40:15

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_26 1:40:20

Somebody doesn't want an airport to be built here. I am here to tell you that whenever I say something, you must say uh-huh, uh, after the election, after we win, we will build an international airport in the Mongo.

SPEAKER_22 1:40:46

Ana Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:52

Thank you, Ambassador Mwamba. Uh Uncle Jay, the Uncle of the country.

SPEAKER_22 1:40:57

Yes, Uncle Jay.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:01

Thank you so much. Um, you I don't have much to say, but I just want to give uh thanks to God for the progress that has been made this far by the opposition, uh, President Timundubiri and Makebizulu. Uh they've done a tremendous job. They've done a tremendous job. I'm praying that God's grace uh continue to carry them and sustain them, push them where God uh wants them to be. Um for me, UPND is gone, gone, and they're already gone. There is nothing that they can do uh this time around to stop the will of the people. I think this is becoming very clear, just like you rightly observed that uh, you know, uh there was no opposition at a given time, but God has his own way of doing things. What they meant for evil has turned out to be for the good. So uh there is a progress that has been made, and we can't wait for the big ride in Rusaka. Uh God will sure revindicate um the great work that you started doing maybe three years ago, and uh it's bearing fruit now. Thank you so much, Ambassador Mwamba.

SPEAKER_22 1:42:16

Thank you, thank you, Anko Jay. There are a few questions that I may need to answer. People asked Alakola, please tell us your name and where you are calling us from and make your contribution. Hi, yes, good evening.

unknown 1:42:39

Good evening, my call.

SPEAKER_23 1:42:42

Just to thank you for the work you have been doing.

SPEAKER_22 1:42:47

Ambassador Mama, I can hear you, my brother.

SPEAKER_23 1:42:51

Yeah, my call, just to thank you for the work you have been doing to unite this nation. You are not alone, we are all together with you.

SPEAKER_22 1:43:04

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Cola just got to thank us on the work we are doing. We thank God for that. Hello, colour.

SPEAKER_18 1:43:14

Please tell us your name and where you call you as from the bomba.

SPEAKER_22 1:43:37

M cry.

SPEAKER_16 1:43:55

Now can you know to me and gather one? Avant to avail, babafu, then our fashionbe, I wanna bajo any pamo ukumone from our time, so kwebati government dire ginger. Manaba pangamakamsaengi. I join anapamuba pangamakamsaengi. Bamakebizuru, ba kana, abangabaliku kuakaputa, bambi kubariku north western. Awangabadiku sawbeni, bambi bariku kwestern province. In that way, na chakuba tibalium Kenya kapi barabomba wang. Apuabenabuteko nabakanyu kobati bengachita ayendeke. Ero chimbechundefokrana pobamwamba. Chakwebati ama eleki yenana yamonekokwati na tu wina na mukropi ni kundora. Na mone kati ama eleki niba mundubine vare wina. Ich kan kara chakumu munokwebati to tonto mkanye pari vote protection number one. Ero number two. Ishinso social se shri umfuika kuiva kateka bari pole. Makamake shisha request no ku kweste in province. Himesage if you wakateka tabakwete. Awantu wonse won meaning Zambia. A la a na ishwanokibati wakateka tabakuete message. Bantu te tibatubi ukuba tubakesa pangama yea poti. Elio avantuama pasi banina na matraki ubiya kuruzaka. Ngabakalanina mwende ke nbalan. I like priorities. Kama prioritiaro, tabaku e tebakateka, ayubengeba wantu. Bafurefe bachar apologize bamunan nu wakwebati. If you wala yebali fru kufikisha. Nabena zambia nabakwa tamezo, nawakwatana matui. So mwbena zambia ten kemetch tin tangwombe. Makamako mumu a shara mwenso mumu pitri abantu besu. Bantu aikwatu wana ni wakuya mkuvota. Bamwambamkonko mechokwebati. Avantuwa friva imetch tin tangwombe. Ukiamku voda. Eh one wu another to anaf misha po mute kuna tortram kwat.

SPEAKER_22 1:46:33

Thank you very much. Cola waiting here. Um, aloka please tell us a name where you are calling us woman, make your contribution. Yes, caller. Hello, yes, caller. Make your contribution.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:51

Um, my my my car sh and quali when palume is one member in Dita Mile.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:58

I know Caroline uh from East London, South Africa.

SPEAKER_22 1:47:02

Wonderful Caroline, make your contribution, yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:17

Umbian go once, protect my vote, because ubiquantway, waku machuka fume tuka e voto, ubu teko buka fumpo, bakwafu mu teko, mis champa zambia i chamsa mika, wwwalunguto, becausei, muchalo chesu, alileta ifintu fi. So nde ko sele shama zambia n wonse ukwema t mwu na mani ukuya no kuya muku vodafuika pesana nafi. Nokwa mati namwalaya ku dia. Ubu sku mota mu se nama mufinga mwaya vota mwamwe la palaini. Mw u kwabati muka chte protectama vote. Otherwise a kainde natatuwe mufuwaya ukuya lea. Awfu natapu and dande po muga iba mum.

SPEAKER_22 1:48:18

Thank you very much. Alo cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and uh make your contribution.

SPEAKER_13 1:48:25

This is from Livingstone.

SPEAKER_22 1:48:28

Yes, precious from Livingstone. Make your contribution, my dear sister.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:33

So the contribution that I want to make, I want to tell the people of Zambia that uh, you know, uh I want you to get my message very clearly. I can say everyone is visiting Baka Indechema, Baka Nihema, Baka Indechemba. But the truth is, indeed, Baka Indechema is not a good person, and he has he has allowed corruption in our country. This is the reason why we should not tolerate him to be in power for so long. But again, you should think about these leaders who use their position to get what they want. So most of them people, I think they do not sit down and think why it is every time we are being defended. And all of us will believe that in terms of why we're all the same thing because we have done what it's like, all of us we have seen our own ideas, but you can see the better that's our rule of the problem. People like yourself a lot of these other ideas. These are the people who are putting up in the city of problems. Because he wants to be followed. That's why we can want to be defeated. But when you start to protect the body, you're talking about it. I can give an example. But no one was fighting for pathetic funds. You wanted pathetic funds to come back to us. But now trust it, fighting for that party. What did they do? What did they discover that you want to use the FDD as a book? The President wanted to be what did you do? What did you do? But this is what you think. So we should look on this very, very carefully. Don't just blame back in the chamber. Even these leaders who keep on using their position to get what they want. They are the ones putting us in a serious problem. God bless you. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_22 1:52:18

My dear sister, I know she has controversial positions sometime, but I'll answer her quickly. Um, Ano Cola, please tell us your name and where you're calling us from and make your contribution.

SPEAKER_25 1:52:33

Good evening.

SPEAKER_22 1:52:34

Good evening.

SPEAKER_25 1:52:37

Uh thank you for the uh long-awaited program to Amifulukasana and the Chawa Marieloguti Malayta program we so to come and inform the nation and the world. We are very grateful to have you.

SPEAKER_22 1:52:54

Thank you, my brother.

SPEAKER_25 1:52:55

Uh I just wants to meet to talk about our Republican president. In the mona president, if you have to show because President Waka Inde Hinema he tried to use regional votes from 2006, he didn't succeed it. 2008, he didn't succeed. 2011 Tabash didn't succeed. 2015, he didn't succeed. 2016 he didn't succeed until he was told to understand if you're Zambian Waikala. It's when he succeeded in 2021. But it's too more Tama Zambia. Because I think why she number field he had an opportunity when he was appointed maybe to be on the Zambia Robert when he was doing negotiating Kustisha Mas at some Zambia. I think our Mashitasanabetu H at this time new Z Milupi. Because he lives in Copper Belt, and he understands how Zambia and they live in Copper Belt. In his now in Copper Belt, Tatwa ishua mutundua ishwa ishumena Zambia. No kupaletua you panafia mitundi o setuwa litemwana across seventy-free tribes. Now take mutundua uku kupana femuekamuek, because he has never grown up into that mixed society. Tama Kulile mixed society. If he wants to see how people live in the 736 tribes, so I changed he has never gone pressed down. That's why you saw what he was talking about in Western province. You can't have a leader. Now we feel now we should go at you. I think my Hakata wisdom. Now I've come to believe. And he always mentioned these things when is in southern province, when is in western province, when is northwestern province? When church, now so using all the thinking and can go divide the shadow. Why church of Twan of Zambiani? Why for two fifty fifty quatre? Even I know some of those two fifty. Even we land in the first.

SPEAKER_17 1:58:54

So I think it's about time even our candidates started to refute all those things. You know, um if he doesn't have campaign messages, we better start talking about the reserves and you know, trying to divide to divide this nation. As yeah, this man has said there are intermarriages, these divisions and all these things are just in politics. And this thing was enhanced uh from the time he took over from the late Anderson Mazoka. So now uh it's about time our our competitive started you know to dismantle all these lies. Uh, there are some other things uh that he is talking about these guys who they left Congolese, they stole, they did all these things. But Ambassador, if I may ask, uh as at today, the debt of Zambe is at how much? Is it not 17 billion? We left debt, yes, but there are things that we built out of that debt that we contracted. But look at this man who has been borrowing almost 1 billion every year. Ask him what has he done with the 5 billion plus money that he has borrowed? What has he done? What has he done? And he's going to you know try to think as if Zambians are foolish people. No, this time if you vote for me, I'm going to build uh airports in all provincial capitals. But Ambassador, if I may ask again, which one is easier to reduce the prices of essential commodities or build an airport? He has made a lot of rhetorics. He has made you know he failed to, you know, things, there's certain things like ambassador to reduce the prices of commodities. You don't have to go and contract a debt over that, it's just a pronouncement, and the the debt is sorted out. But it looks like our our money in charge, he doesn't know anything when it comes to some of these things. Number three, ambassador, some of the things our people should talk about is that since UPND came into power, we have seen money moving out of this country. Fake reports are there. 3.5 billion dollars is not small money. The president must start explaining who are those people siphoning that such kind of money out of this economy. Could it be the reason why many people are suffering because the money is being siphoned? I think these are some of the things, Ambassador, our people should uh start questioning the president. We should refute. There are so many lies when it comes to the promises that he's making. If you fail to fulfill small, small, small things. Now the big things that he are now is now talking about, is he going to fulfill them? Those are just rhetorics. This man, I think, is politically incompetent, uh, he's incapable of turning around the country. The only thing he has resorted to is more to put more fire so that people can hate other regions. I think uh that's my contribution, Ambassador.

SPEAKER_22 2:02:01

Thank you very much. Um, ladies and gentlemen, I think we should be closing. I know I missed you and you missed me, and uh the there's been an opportunity for this program. It it makes you breathe, it makes you speak. But let me go straight to the issue of vote protection. Vote protection had spoken last time that it would be key to honoring the will and wishes of Zambians. How do you do it? I'd propose that in your community form a vote protection, uh form a polling center or polling station committee. That's what I'd said. There remember, we have 226 uh constituencies, we have 13,569 polling uh stations. So I'd said you should form a polling station committee. Upon them with the leadership in Lusaka, you should be able to even form two or four people that will then be agents on behalf of uh uh of the party and the electoral commission of um uh of Zambia will be accredited to ECZ. But what the polling station committee does is number one, they immobilize voters because at a polling station there are about 900 voters, only 900. If you have seen the voters register circulating on social media, that e-copy, download your constituency, then go to the polling stations that will be allocated. In some cases, go to the wards, because the word as a counselor, the counselor can coordinate you, and the counselor can help form the ward committees. The ward committees, I mean the polling station uh committees are the ones that can pick the two, but also can protect that vote. They can go and vote and also ensure that they come at 18 hours to come and witness the vote and the counting. Uh there is a document issued called Gen 20. That Gen 20 is signed by agents of um of the parties that have participated in monetary net elections. You have to ensure that that form is signed, you get a copy of it. Our laws require, our laws require that elections are at polling centers, at polling stations. So you win or lose elections at a polling station. When you have counted and they've been signed for, those are now taken to what we call a collection center at a constituency, where again those results from various polling stations are counted and tallied, and then a winner is declared. If you know the results from a polling station and they are announcing results from a polling station at a collection center, they announce different results. Where you are submitting those documents, but the elections are won or lost by the communities themselves. The community must defend those votes. The 900 people at a polling station must defend what they have voted for. Whether the opposition affied the candidate or not, it becomes a community project. So that is the issue about uh vote protection. Vote protection is a matter done by the community itself. So akunikuwa swangana uafishwaku panono, uayakoku skuru, ukomuriwa name, afura fire register, vote la pesa, nwampani this school mwa shapanama polling station, yanga, mwayaka nika, mwa fire register, you begin to look for each other as voters. And when you vote, you protect that vote. No one is going to protect the vote other than yourself. Many people think no, our European Union or US Embassy or the Catholic will come and protect the vote. The vote primarily will be protected by the voter, him or herself. And I hope that that is very clear. David has spoken about uh that uh the messages that Brian Munwile uh referred to a matter when he was in Eastern Province that they will just not only provide free education, it will be enhanced quality free education, where he has proposed to fund the provisions of school uniforms and shoes and books. So Bran Mundumile has proposed that the free education that we must have should be quality, reduce a number from 120 pupils in a class to about 30, and that students should be provided with school uniforms, shoes and uh books. He says they will provide enhanced free education, not just ordinary free education. The education that Dr. Kaunda provided, and and and uh my dear brother David from Momu says this message, especially for people in the rural areas, matters a lot because they gamba, evakuatawa anabashwete uniform, it could be free education, but the child is humiliated because takwete sapato, the child is humiliated because he you know capitula nai kwatefi gamba and he says David says for Mongo that this is a powerful message we should talk about. Another person talked about voter turnout and voter. It comes down to the same thing. If you form polling station committees, they can encourage voter turnout because mudi 900 now is voters by 10 hours to mwaish. You'll be beating the voter apathy. If you look at the elections in our country, uh in 1996 had uh had voter apathy in areas where he had strongest support in Wapula because there's a tendency by voters to sit back and think and they go about with their business. Rupiah Banda was voting from Luapula. Dixon Jerry has written in his book that uh eastern province where Rupiah Banda was a voter was going to be the swing vote for is for Rupiah Banda. And Rupiah Banda had spent a lot of time campaigning and making it a stronghold for MMD in 2011. But Dixon Jerry in his book, when he was reflecting, you know, as a special assistant to the president, he says when they flew into Chipata, there were no cues. He knew that he had lost that election. Because they flew, and in many places, there were no cues every time they passed at a school or a polling center. You know why? Because the people of Eastern Province were very sure and muntua, people who vote. Each person is thinking the other will vote, and they had a low voter turnout. And Dixon says, just after voting, I knew we had lost that election. Voter turnout is very key. Mufire mwa panga polling station committee. Mwa ishwa naimwe 900, mufure mwaishiba, parioru chelo, mufure mwashibu shania, bane kuriuk vota. Bane let's not start drinking in advance, let's not go to the fields today. It's just one day. Tien wanetwe vota. Na pay it now as mwayaku mkumona, if I'm a results, and to ensure that uh the vote, the the results are not changed, and to ensure that vote, you know, if for example UPND1 to Rasp or the Opposition, the community will be there to protect the vote. So it comes down to the voter that to the voter themselves. A lot of you, like I'm saying, you believe that the Catholic could do it for you, that Sadi could do it for you, African Union would do it for you. No, it will be the polling station committee that will do win or lose this election. Narratives that the president I agree. The president's message in Scongo was terrible. The president repeated what he had said to the people of Choma that when you go to intercity, we're being beaten. Mr. President, kindly promote unity. That's not uh language that should be in this election. And people have noted, Mr. President, that every time you are in these areas of your stronghold, you use a divisive tribal language. But when you come to northern province, say Ranger, you come to Luapula, you come to Muchinga, you use language that unites, you say. One Zambia, one nation, let us unite. But when you are in your areas of strong scroll, you are in Shabuma, you use very divisive language, and many people have noted that. So there's someone who asked about the issues of two candidates, but to date it hasn't been resolved. I agree with you. We still have two candidates in Chungwe, we still have two candidates in Gola, Kitue, Chingola, Chingomwe. This remains an issue uh that is dividing communities, and again I appeal to the leadership to resolve that issue. God bless you and thank you for joining me. Is there any other matter that I have left from your questions? I think it was about vote protection and narratives. I think I've answered the issue of the president. Um there was a misunderstanding when done when we talked about the need to put to rest the late president and that it requires a decent government to come and do it. And you know, never some banders tried to exploit that message, but the sincerity of that message is that the late president must be put to rest with dignity and with all befitting his status as a former president. Something that has eluded president.

SPEAKER_11 2:18:01

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